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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 599625 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414930 Jan 12, 2013
Just because a religion is rich, popular and its been around for a long time doesnt make it right. If that were the case Jesus would not have been CALLING OUT the Pharisees and Sadducees. So don't think for once that all religions are good and direct you to God. What I notice here many of you are caught up in the riches and glory of the Pope. The traditions of men, the fact that you can run your own program and do as you please because you lack faith and have no fear of the consequences that false religion will experience when Jesus comes and crumbles them to pieces.

Just saying;o)
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414931 Jan 12, 2013
I want to answer all your questions and slander you make about my faith. But I can only take one question at a time and so por favor be patient with me...I only have 2 hands. Like I said before I'm not here to try and convert anyone but to clear Jehovah's name.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#414932 Jan 12, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
No Clay, its about those that agree with you and those that don't. When someone has a different opinion you stomp off in a hissy fit, and declare you are not coming back.
I hope you learned your lesson while your tears dried up. Any more outbursts of anger and your time out will be two weeks in your room, and your computer will locked down.
Its not a catholic world, its a world of millions of opinions, and yours is no more important than anyone elses.
Michael:"its a world of millions of opinions,and yours is no more important than anyone elses." Of coruse I agree with that,and remember that for yourself as well.AND I know sir that my opinion is often just an opinion as well. It takes a little humility to back off and not argue a point,to further your own opinion.

We often are not fully right or fully wrong,most of us are in the middle,looking both ways,trying to find a safe ground to voice our opinion without being viewed as an idiot and so on.

I love Christianity because although we have many opinions,we still have the final Word,that God has given to us through the Scriptures.In that we find common ground and the basis for our New Birth in Christ,who gave us Eternal Life,if we believe on Him. That is why I am not anti[-Catholic,prot,or anti anything Christian,even the cults have their good points and safe place in the Christian faith.Although the cults will have a rude awakening when they find out that believing Jesus is not Divine could cost them everything they so strived for within their organizations.(Just an opinion)!

I cannot condemn anyone to hell.It is not my place,but I can warn a person that rejecting Jesus as the Son of the Living God,Incarnate,could be a decision you will R E G R E T.

You have been on this forum a long time Michael,somehow, you must down deep share a little of what we believe,or you would not spend so much time with us?

You may say NO,but how can you constantly read our affirmation of faith,and continue on such a hard road of unbelief,(many atheists have come on here and left)?You are a former Catholic as the majority of those who challenge the Catholics on this forum.Nothing ever taught to you took root?
Pad

Rockford, IL

#414933 Jan 12, 2013
Aviela wrote:
I want to answer all your questions and slander you make about my faith. But I can only take one question at a time and so por favor be patient with me...I only have 2 hands. Like I said before I'm not here to try and convert anyone but to clear Jehovah's name.
That is good ,dear Aviela,you should try to defend the LORD,and His greatness,and all that He is.We as believers have the greater opportunity to prove Him who is Good,by being Good ourselves,and living in His righteousness.Remember though Aviela,that the Apostle Peter discovered that Jesus was Whom He said He was by the Holy Spirit,revelation.That is how we know that Jesus is not only Sent by the Father,but also One with the Father.

Were you once a RC?
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#414934 Jan 12, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no clue what you're talking about. Really, Free. I have on clue.
Could you answer my question: Why do you care so much about the Catholic Church and her teachings? No ones forcing you to an Catholic..
How come you don't go after Mormonism, they also think they are the true church?
Clay, I'd suggest you stop answering them. They're attention junkies. Every time someone replies to them, it releases dopamine in their tiny little brain and they get a rush like an addict. Mikey starts yapping and nipping at ankles, and that other thing starts braying at the top of its lungs...lol! Just scroll past their posts, most people do.

The Catholic Church is the biggest threat to militant atheists because she speaks out the loudest against their agendas. She keeps God in the public eye, and they want Him removed. They're not as threatened by the fundies because they're too scattered, splintered, fractured to make a difference. They're never the first to speak out, but usually follow in the Church's footsteps. So, of course, the Church is their prime target. Nevertheless, if you go to one of the fundie threads here, you'll see them do the same thing, maybe worse.

I wouldn't worry about Heckle and Jeckle if I were you. Dan and Anthony wiped the floor with them, so they're having a hissy fit. Just talk around them; have discussions with other people. IOW, ignore them...like everybody else does.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414935 Jan 12, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Pad, Michael may be more enlighten about this then me . I am not into politics. I voted twice in my life the first for Joe Clark , they throw him out after a few months, then Bob Ray he nearly bankrupted the country. LOL
Our Gas, oil, hydro, all went up too. rents are through the roof I can tell you that. any where from $850,00 to a $1000,00 a month for a 1 bedroom apt plus heat and hydro. Alot of people use the soup kitchens and food banks
People up here have wood stoves, but even a core of wood is very expensive unless you go out and cut your own which some people have done just better not do it on crowned land.
I have been well looked after Pad my children help alot.
What really hit alot of retired folks after saving for years so they could have a comfortable retirement the government decided to tax their RRSP, in a sense they stole their life savings. It added up to thousands of dollars that was a bitter pill to swallow.
Then they gave themselves a big pay rise.
Hi LTM.......It doesn't matter what political party is in power, they always find a way to squander billions dollars, create scandals, and fail to live up to their promises.

Every political power have their own agendas and it isn't taking care of the people who pay the bills, its their party agendas.





Pad

Rockford, IL

#414936 Jan 12, 2013
Aviela wrote:
Just because a religion is rich, popular and its been around for a long time doesnt make it right. If that were the case Jesus would not have been CALLING OUT the Pharisees and Sadducees. So don't think for once that all religions are good and direct you to God. What I notice here many of you are caught up in the riches and glory of the Pope. The traditions of men, the fact that you can run your own program and do as you please because you lack faith and have no fear of the consequences that false religion will experience when Jesus comes and crumbles them to pieces.
Just saying;o)
Jesus will not crumble that which is His,but He will refine it,with fire.

We read in the Scriptures the WAY,and we read the perfect Will of the Father to have us go to Him through His Dear Son.When a believer repents and is baptized,he or she enters a Covenant with the Father through the everlasting will of the Son as well. The Father and the Son have the same Will,Purpose and Desire.The Holy Spirit reveals all of that to us when we become believers and WALK in the Will of G o d.(Jehovah,Yahweh,Yahoveh,YHWH ).

These things we find in Scripture,and when the Holy Spirit illumines us,we can with the Scripture confirm both,that agree to the glory of the Father and the Son.

Organizations,denominations and churches have been around since the beginning of the Apostolic VISION,to make deisciples of all Nations.

We all claim that we are right naturally,but the fact is IN Christ we are all the same.He is not divided,even though we may be.Your organization of course claims it is the only one,and that it alone is the true Apostolic Vision of Christ.Also the Mormons definitely claim the same.Every so[-called Christian group and church and so on claim they have the pure-unadulterated Word of God,and use it and practice it with great devotion and purpose.

But what we do when we are exclusive about it,is to say that Jesus alone started our group and we are the only ones who know His Will in regards to the human race.When in fact the Lord through the Holy Spirit brings conviction of heart,reveals sin,and requires us to REPENT.Than we enter the New Covenant in His Blood,which makes us in right standing with Him.

It is not an organization that identifies us with Christ,it is His precious Blood that cleanses us from sin that identifies us with Him.
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414937 Jan 12, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Aviela good friend
By what you write,(correct me if I am wrong), that Jehovah is outside of Creation, and that Jesus is the first part of Creation.( I am not clear on if you believe Jehovah and/or Jesus made/created the heavens and the earth.)
If this is the case, then is humanity made in the image of Jehovah, or Jesus, or both?
Hello Robert, and good morning to you. I must beging by saying thanks for being respectul and kind to me even though we think different:)

Well to answer your question according to the scriptures Jehovah doesn't have a beginning or end. He created Jesus. Jehovah and Jesus then created all things except Jehovah. He's always been. Jesus is Jehovah's first born his favorite out of all the angels. In the book of Hebrews it speaks how Jehovah feels about Jesus how he loves him, how Jesus is better than the angels Read Hebrews 1:5 here is one of the scriptures where Jehovah is expressing his love for Jesus his son.
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414938 Jan 12, 2013
Hi Robert!(Waves)...let me go drink my vanilla latte before I fall asleep..I'll be back:oD Stay nice.
Clay

United States

#414939 Jan 12, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>There is not a day that goes by when I do not view EWTN. It does have good programming,and so on.O f course I expect that teachings and prayers and so on include Mary.If I did not want to see that ,naturally I should not even watch EWTN.But the reality is,the veneration and doctrines that point to Mary's intercession and major role of being INTERCESSOR between Jesus and us is very apparent.
I always knew that was the case,but since three years ago when watching EWTN,it has been reinforced in my mind that Catholicism will never settle for the Biblical account of Mary.The emphasis on Mary is more than we could even imagine.The Catholics cannot separate themselves from it,and they totally identify themselves through Mary first to her Son. If that is not worship? I don't know what is. People think worship is just going to a service or Mass and saying or praying to God,and singing songs to Him,and lifting their hearts in praise to Him,that is true.But worship is also an attitude of the heart,and meditation to ONE beyond your physical space.
Mary is no less praised and worshiped than Jesus is,if you go through her first than she is worshiped,adored and glorified in your mind when you than go to her Son,the Lord Jesus. I think that when Catholics claim Mary is not worhiped,they are literally lying to themselves,or in the case of many they do not realize what they are doing.How is that so?
My point here is that MARY is worshiped,adored and glorified by every Catholic,whether they believe so in their hearts or not.Because by virtue of how they place her in the PRAYER and meditation of seeking to go to JESUS,she has to be venerated beyond any other human being.
The Catholics here all deny such things,than they are missing out on what many of their saints for centuries have not only stated but practiced,the full worship to the Arch as they call her.The difference between the ARCH of the Covenant which in and of itself was not worshiped,is that Mary being typified as such IS worshiped. Catholics deny it all you want,it is so.It is in every breath of what you espouse H e r to be,not only Blessed,but the O n e you must go through to get to her Son.You must venerate her,and so every litany said in every Novena,and every canticle sang to her with glorious pomp of her being Spouse to the Holy Spirit,Mother of God,and glorious Queen of Heaven and the Angels,is pure W o r s h i p, loud and clear.We cannot deny that is what you are doing but yet you do,actually that is shameful on your(Catholics) part,because you say one thing but do another.
I am not criticizing or vilifying the worship of Mary here,I am stating the obvious,Catholics worship her,and deny they do.That is shameful!
How come you, the JWs and others can't seem to have a religion unless you bear false witness?

If we were worshiping Mary, I wouldn't be Catholic.
It baffles me that you'd stand before God and teach that another group is doing something when every single one of them will assure you they are not! If that is not bearing false witness, then what is?
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#414940 Jan 12, 2013
Aviela wrote:
Just because a religion is rich, popular and its been around for a long time doesnt make it right. If that were the case Jesus would not have been CALLING OUT the Pharisees and Sadducees. So don't think for once that all religions are good and direct you to God. What I notice here many of you are caught up in the riches and glory of the Pope. The traditions of men, the fact that you can run your own program and do as you please because you lack faith and have no fear of the consequences that false religion will experience when Jesus comes and crumbles them to pieces.
Just saying;o)
If that's what you notice, than you're not very observant. Most of the people you've been 'talking' to are protestants, not Catholics.
Preston

Waverly, OH

#414941 Jan 12, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay, I'd suggest you stop answering them. They're attention junkies. Every time someone replies to them, it releases dopamine in their tiny little brain and they get a rush like an addict. Mikey starts yapping and nipping at ankles, and that other thing starts braying at the top of its lungs...lol! Just scroll past their posts, most people do.
The Catholic Church is the biggest threat to militant atheists because she speaks out the loudest against their agendas. She keeps God in the public eye, and they want Him removed. They're not as threatened by the fundies because they're too scattered, splintered, fractured to make a difference. They're never the first to speak out, but usually follow in the Church's footsteps. So, of course, the Church is their prime target. Nevertheless, if you go to one of the fundie threads here, you'll see them do the same thing, maybe worse.
I wouldn't worry about Heckle and Jeckle if I were you. Dan and Anthony wiped the floor with them, so they're having a hissy fit. Just talk around them; have discussions with other people. IOW, ignore them...like everybody else does.
glad that you told clay that, I started to tell him the same thing.

good advice
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414942 Jan 12, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Michael:"its a world of millions of opinions,and yours is no more important than anyone elses." Of coruse I agree with that,and remember that for yourself as well.AND I know sir that my opinion is often just an opinion as well. It takes a little humility to back off and not argue a point,to further your own opinion.
We often are not fully right or fully wrong,most of us are in the middle,looking both ways,trying to find a safe ground to voice our opinion without being viewed as an idiot and so on.
I love Christianity because although we have many opinions,we still have the final Word,that God has given to us through the Scriptures.In that we find common ground and the basis for our New Birth in Christ,who gave us Eternal Life,if we believe on Him. That is why I am not anti[-Catholic,prot,or anti anything Christian,even the cults have their good points and safe place in the Christian faith.Although the cults will have a rude awakening when they find out that believing Jesus is not Divine could cost them everything they so strived for within their organizations.(Just an opinion)!
I cannot condemn anyone to hell.It is not my place,but I can warn a person that rejecting Jesus as the Son of the Living God,Incarnate,could be a decision you will R E G R E T.
You have been on this forum a long time Michael,somehow, you must down deep share a little of what we believe,or you would not spend so much time with us?
You may say NO,but how can you constantly read our affirmation of faith,and continue on such a hard road of unbelief,(many atheists have come on here and left)?You are a former Catholic as the majority of those who challenge the Catholics on this forum.Nothing ever taught to you took root?
No loving God would divide us up into groups and those born by CHANCE into one belief be given the keys to the kingdom of heaven and those born by chance into some other belief left behind.

Makes no common sense.

Why would any God relegate IMPERFECT beings to an eternity of hell, simply because they viewed their options differently than you.

If God's purpose was to create humanity to live for millions of years, with millions who suffer often through no fault of their own then die and be divided up with some going to heaven and the rest to hell.

If God was really interested in souls making it to heaven, wouldn;t it have been a lot easier to create what he wanted and placed them in heaven when he wanted instead of this many million year long crusade of a game that has much pain, suffering, and agony for many just trying to make it through this life?

makes no common sense.....

Every large religion past and present has their books (bibles) of what they claim to be the KEY that everyone is searching for.

Remember all the NT writers were Jewish and their stories in the NT was about jewish life. For them to embrace a new religion coming called christianity would make all the jewish NT writers heretics in their own jewish belief at the time they SUPPOSEDLY wrote these works.

makes no common sense.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#414943 Jan 12, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> I think I'm the only non CAtholic here. I think outside the box. I'm not the popular chick in town..hehe
While they think I'm going to hell for drinking wine. I enjoy my *Moscato* every once in a while:oD
"it is not what goes into the body that defiles a man,but which comes out of the heart that defiles a man." Jesus said this.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414944 Jan 12, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> I think I'm the only non CAtholic here. I think outside the box. I'm not the popular chick in town..hehe
While they think I'm going to hell for drinking wine. I enjoy my *Moscato* every once in a while:oD
There are a bunch of us that are ex catholics or former catholics on here. Myself, FREE MIND, Jethro, NASL and one or two others.

Organized religion is the great divide or wedge in our world. Its too bad religion has created so much hatred. The hatred is witnessed everyday on this forum.

Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414945 Jan 12, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
How come you, the JWs and others can't seem to have a religion unless you bear false witness?
If we were worshiping Mary, I wouldn't be Catholic.
It baffles me that you'd stand before God and teach that another group is doing something when every single one of them will assure you they are not! If that is not bearing false witness, then what is?
Now Clay what does the Bible say about statues? Why so many statues of Mary?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414946 Jan 12, 2013
Preston wrote:
<quoted text>glad that you told clay that, I started to tell him the same thing.
good advice
ReginaM. has stated this a dozen times in the past. She keeps coming back for more. Because deep down inside she REALLY likes us.

Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414947 Jan 12, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
How come you, the JWs and others can't seem to have a religion unless you bear false witness?
If we were worshiping Mary, I wouldn't be Catholic.
It baffles me that you'd stand before God and teach that another group is doing something when every single one of them will assure you they are not! If that is not bearing false witness, then what is?
Correct me if I'm wrong why are there hail Mary prayers? No one should be praying to Mary. I'm sure you've also seen candles with Mary's face on it. How do you think God feels about worshiping his creations instead of the creator?
Clay

United States

#414948 Jan 12, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay, I'd suggest you stop answering them. They're attention junkies. Every time someone replies to them, it releases dopamine in their tiny little brain and they get a rush like an addict. Mikey starts yapping and nipping at ankles, and that other thing starts braying at the top of its lungs...lol! Just scroll past their posts, most people do.
The Catholic Church is the biggest threat to militant atheists because she speaks out the loudest against their agendas. She keeps God in the public eye, and they want Him removed. They're not as threatened by the fundies because they're too scattered, splintered, fractured to make a difference. They're never the first to speak out, but usually follow in the Church's footsteps. So, of course, the Church is their prime target. Nevertheless, if you go to one of the fundie threads here, you'll see them do the same thing, maybe worse.
I wouldn't worry about Heckle and Jeckle if I were you. Dan and Anthony wiped the floor with them, so they're having a hissy fit. Just talk around them; have discussions with other people. IOW, ignore them...like everybody else does.
Good advice. I will take it.
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414949 Jan 12, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>"it is not what goes into the body that defiles a man,but which comes out of the heart that defiles a man." Jesus said this.
I agree with you 100% thanks for reminder Pad.

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