Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story

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#414744 Jan 11, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>what do you think of a man that wont even take care or visit his own mother? he wants her put into a nursing home. if cathie is working, then my sister has to sleep in a chair, because she cant lift herself into her bed. and this worthless son will not drive 5 miles to help her, all because she is a Christian, and I cant lift her, she is to heavy for me.
I think it's sad,especially him living that close.

Sadly, there are times that it can't be helped,especially if the children are elderly themselves and are not able to take care of them.

I have a cousin that is a JW's.

He's the only oe in our family that is a JW.

It broke his mothers ( my aunts) heart when he joined them.

When he and his wife and children moved down from Mich after my aunt passed away,they built a beautiful home on his dad's property and his dad lived with them.His dad was Primitive Baptist.
After my aunt passed away,whenever anyone of us sent his dad a Christmas card,he would not get them.

That is infringing on his dads beliefs.

We told him that we sent one every year and he told us he didn't get them.

I don't think he realized that his son didn't believe in celebrating Christmas.

So sad.
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414745 Jan 11, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
If you take the 144,000 literal...then:
Revelation 14:1
14 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and [[[[[with him 144,000 who had his name and his Fatherís name written on their foreheads.]]]]]
They would literally have the Fatherís name written on the foreheads in PLAIN sight.
Read... Rev 7: 4-8

These cannot be the tribes of natural Isreal because there never was a tribe of Joseph, the tribes of Ephraim and Dan are not included in the list here, and the levites were set aside for service in connection with the temple but were not reckoned as one of the 12 tribes. See numbers 1: 4-16.)

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#414746 Jan 11, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> when Jesus died the curtains of the temple were torn open as a representation that the gentiles were invited into the heavenly kingdom.
yep, but there will come a time that God turns back to His Children, and that time comes after the church is taken out and you that follow false teachers will be left behind, while God is dealing with israel

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#414747 Jan 11, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> Hi Robert, I believe that Jehovah is the alpha and omega Jesus' father. Jesus came to earth to die for us and sanctify his father's name. The holy spirit is Jehovah's active force.
Yes,He did come in the flesh.

Revelation 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not;

I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth,

>>>>>and was dead;

and, behold,

>>>>I am alive for evermore, Amen;

and have the keys of hell and of death
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414748 Jan 11, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>does the fact that the word "trinity" is not in the Bible take away from God, the Holy Ghost and Jesus.
try again. and how can you say that you acknowledge that jesus is the Son of God and then fester over a word
The trinity is not a Bible teaching it came from Greek philosophy. Paul had clearly recognized the danger of such contamination and perversion of the good news when he wrote to the Galatians and Colossian Christians: "Look out: perhaps there may someone who will carry you off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deceptions according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ."__Galatians 1: 7-9; Colossians 2:8; 1 Corinthians 1:22,23.
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414749 Jan 11, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>does the fact that the word "trinity" is not in the Bible take away from God, the Holy Ghost and Jesus.
try again. and how can you say that you acknowledge that jesus is the Son of God and then fester over a word
You do know what the Bible says what will happen to those who add words to the scriptures right?
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414750 Jan 11, 2013
I'll be back, gotta get my groove on to the *Bee Gees* on the radio...fever night fever night fever....hey!!

:oD
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414751 Jan 11, 2013
Okay I'm back, what were we talking about? Allrighty then everyone sit down and relax, everything is going to be okay. Take a deep breath and chill...(smile)
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414752 Jan 11, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>yep, but there will come a time that God turns back to His Children, and that time comes after the church is taken out and you that follow false teachers will be left behind, while God is dealing with israel
Can you please quote a scripture that makes this statement.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#414753 Jan 11, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> Read... Rev 7: 4-8
These cannot be the tribes of natural Isreal because there never was a tribe of Joseph, the tribes of Ephraim and Dan are not included in the list here, and the levites were set aside for service in connection with the temple but were not reckoned as one of the 12 tribes. See numbers 1: 4-16.)
The sad part is you're 100 % right - based on sola scripture.
Preston is also 100% right - based on sola scripture.
Guest, 4gvn and Confrint are right too.

The problem of course is: Sola Scripture doesn't exist. Its an invention that men made up 1,600 yrs after Christ. It happened soon after the Bible became available to the laity because of the invention of the printing press.

Basically,

1. You have to think Christ started a conspiracy faith- that He never fully revealed to His Apostles. He quietly waited until the printing press was invented to let the common folk decide His ministry.

2. You all are using someone else's scripture to dictate their faith... or what you *think* their faith should be, based on the books they determined to be a part of their scripture.

3. why don't you take the Mormons Bible or the Koran and twist their religion around?

4. I know you mean well, but the New Testament Canon is a Catholic Bible. It was gathered, edited compiled and safeguarded by the Church. It does not belong to the JW people.
In fact, its really ironic that you guys are so trusting of the Roman Catholic Churchs declaration on the books.. How do you even know its a legitimate collection of writings? How do you know the Apostles wrote it?
You're relying on the authority of the Catholic Church to make such a declaration. Then, you beat them over the head with those same books they declared as inspired. Man, get your own books and label them inspired..

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#414754 Jan 11, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> You do know what the Bible says what will happen to those who add words to the scriptures right?
again, you need to go back to the second grade.

that concerns only the Book of revelation. read the 22 Chapter.lol.

you dont seem to have learned much in your Bible studies.

tell us again what your nick means.LOL

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#414755 Jan 11, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> You don't know because no one was trying to sale you anything.
Lie number #7
No he isn't lying.

I remember them asking me to give a quarter for them when they came to my house UNINVITED back in the 70's.

The man argued with me about Jesus' return and I got my Bible and told him to open his and when I used God's Holy Word to prove what I said,he left.

They might not ask for money now,but back then they did.

Do you still have to keep records of the houses that you go to and send them to the governing body?

Can you tell me what was the point in that?

Don't you know that a child of God can tell people the Gospel message without a governing body that tells you what to say?

You should be able to explain your belief without relying on the watchtower sources.

So far,every JW's that I have ever conversed with, copy and paste the watchtower teachings when they answer my questions.

I am not relying on what ex JW's say.
I am relying on what the JW's do.

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#414756 Jan 11, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> Can you please quote a scripture that makes this statement.
If you dont know the Mercy and grace of God by now, you never will.

and yeah, I could, but it would be wasted on people like you.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414757 Jan 11, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> Read... Rev 7: 4-8
These cannot be the tribes of natural Isreal because there never was a tribe of Joseph, the tribes of Ephraim and Dan are not included in the list here, and the levites were set aside for service in connection with the temple but were not reckoned as one of the 12 tribes. See numbers 1: 4-16.)
The "sons" and tribe names are:

Eastern
∑ Judah
∑ Issachar
∑ Zebulun
Southern
∑ Reuben
∑ Simeon
∑ Gad
Western
∑ Ephraim
∑ Manesseh
∑ Benjamin
Northern
∑ Dan
∑ Asher
∑ Naphtali
Although Levi was dishonored by being denied territory, the tribe of Levi became the highly honored priestly tribe of Israel. It won this honor because of its reverence for Yahweh during the Exodus.

See The Twelve Tribes of Israel, from Jewish Virtual Library
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414758 Jan 11, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>again, you need to go back to the second grade.
that concerns only the Book of revelation. read the 22 Chapter.lol.
you dont seem to have learned much in your Bible studies.
tell us again what your nick means.LOL
Do you know what happens to those who add words to the scriptures? So what you're saying is that its okay to add words to the scriptures as long its not the book of Revelation? Whoa! You're playing with fire there amigo.

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#414760 Jan 11, 2013
Full of Love wrote:
<quoted text>
No he isn't lying.
I remember them asking me to give a quarter for them when they came to my house UNINVITED back in the 70's.
The man argued with me about Jesus' return and I got my Bible and told him to open his and when I used God's Holy Word to prove what I said,he left.
They might not ask for money now,but back then they did.
Do you still have to keep records of the houses that you go to and send them to the governing body?
Can you tell me what was the point in that?
Don't you know that a child of God can tell people the Gospel message without a governing body that tells you what to say?
You should be able to explain your belief without relying on the watchtower sources.
So far,every JW's that I have ever conversed with, copy and paste the watchtower teachings when they answer my questions.
I am not relying on what ex JW's say.
I am relying on what the JW's do.
reckon I ought to tell her about God moving on Israel and they someday accept that ONE that comes out of Sion

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#414761 Jan 11, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> Do you know what happens to those who add words to the scriptures? So what you're saying is that its okay to add words to the scriptures as long its not the book of Revelation? Whoa! You're playing with fire there amigo.
lets get ONE thing straight between us.

The Scriptures are the OT. they are settled in heaven.

so loosen up and dont act stupid.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414762 Jan 11, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> Do you know what happens to those who add words to the scriptures? So what you're saying is that its okay to add words to the scriptures as long its not the book of Revelation? Whoa! You're playing with fire there amigo.
Manasseh and Ephraim, where Joseph sons, Ben was Josephs younger brother, he was not with the other brothers he stayed home with Jacob their father.

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#414763 Jan 11, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> Do you know what happens to those who add words to the scriptures? So what you're saying is that its okay to add words to the scriptures as long its not the book of Revelation? Whoa! You're playing with fire there amigo.
do you know what happens when your cult takes away from the Word of God?

you will have no other chance like Israel receives.
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414764 Jan 11, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>again, you need to go back to the second grade.
that concerns only the Book of revelation. read the 22 Chapter.lol.
you dont seem to have learned much in your Bible studies.
tell us again what your nick means.LOL
why do you want to know about my name?

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