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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 654424 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#414290 Jan 9, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
God hand-picked men to lead and administer His church on earth.
Prove it?

You sure seem to know what "God" can or cannot do.

Where did you acquire this knowledge?

Please stop misleading people.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#414291 Jan 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I aleady told you, and you seem to agree, that the Vatican's micro management of personnel matters at parishes isn't at issue, so your counter is that the Vatican should have........mirco managed.
One side of the street or the other, FM.
No, the Vatican didn't micro-manage. They macro-managed.

That's why Bishops worldwide acted in a nearly uniform manner.

If as you claim, Bishops acted independently with little, or no direction from Rome, then the Vatican would NOT be hiding behind....

Holy Diplomatic Immunity!

Like a communist state, the Vatican state is a top-down, highly organized structure, with little room for individual initiative.

It would be impossible for individual Bishops worldwide to pull off a DECADES-LONG COVER-UP of this scale without direction from above.

To think otherwise is called "denial" and is absurd.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#414292 Jan 9, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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so sinful men lead God's church here on earth....huh. lets look at this. God is without sin, hates sin, doesn't tolerate sin, punishes sin, put sinful men in church of His church here on earth? hmmmm
*would only make sense to a catholic.
Then why are you a follower of Christianity if you don't believe fallible men?

I guess your mind is at another conundrum.....

a. I be a follower fo Christianity and accept what men have stated to me to believe

--OR--

b. Stop being a follower and follow "God" in my own way.

Your call.

Self.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#414293 Jan 9, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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The main point is. I WROTE TO THEM and I expressed my feelings, something most catholics would never do.
Everyday millions of concerned citizens write to their childrens school principal, their mayors, their congressman, the president of the united states expressing their concerns at policies that they question.
I am sure the list is very short, of the number of roman catholics who ever wrote to their parish priest or bishops who belonged to a diocese under scrutany for sexual abusive behavior by one of their own.
Yes I am sure the list is very short. Catholics fear doing so because they can't seperate God, from their church and its leaders.
FEAR!!
Well, a few minutes ago you were "sure" Bp. Galante retired due to reasons other than those stated (his age and his health), so forgive me if I retain a skepticism of "facts" you're "sure of".

You seem perfectly content inventing your own.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#414294 Jan 9, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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Dan writes -- "Catholics know that people in the Church are fallible; this does not mean the Church itself teaches error."
Sure, people are fallible -- but it took a organized INSTITUTIONAL CHURCH to cover-up child abuse WORLDWIDE over many DECADES.
That's a fact -- and the reason Ireland was moved to break diplomatic relations with "the Church" -- not with a few individual sinners.
Thus the question is, how does a church capable of such immorality somehow give mankind "perfect teachings om morals.?"
You must think that's Jesus' management style -- arbitrary and with no real standards for His representatives.
That's absurd.
Only absurd if you believe that human beings aren't subject to the foibles of their human nature.

People are immoral by their nature.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#414295 Jan 9, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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No, the Vatican didn't micro-manage. They macro-managed.
That's why Bishops worldwide acted in a nearly uniform manner.
If as you claim, Bishops acted independently with little, or no direction from Rome, then the Vatican would NOT be hiding behind....
Holy Diplomatic Immunity!
Like a communist state, the Vatican state is a top-down, highly organized structure, with little room for individual initiative.
It would be impossible for individual Bishops worldwide to pull off a DECADES-LONG COVER-UP of this scale without direction from above.
To think otherwise is called "denial" and is absurd.
Who's declaring immunity? from what?

It isn't working if it's being invoked; the crimes are being prosecuted in their respective jurisdictions.

Try again.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#414296 Jan 9, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
Righteous anger is biblical. No, Jesus was not sinning when He was tearing into the money changers. If I remember correctly, the example I used was yelling at the neighbor because his dog was crapping in my yard. I doubt one would consider that an example of biblical righteous anger. lol.
Now, back to the issue at hand (which you are trying ever so diligently to avoid), how do you justify discriminating between sins when deciding to financially support your pastor?
MICHAEL wrote:
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ANTHONY says......Jesus was not sinning when He was tearing into the money changers, turning over tables.
MICHAEL says......You Anthony go down to Wall street in Manhattan, walk into Goldman Sacks and start turning tables over on the traders.
Will they laugh and think its funny, or would the swat team arrive and escort you to precinct 54?
If the idea of the money changers was that people had too much, you Anthony yourself have told us you have now started a SECOND business venture. I am sure there are people in your city who don't have one business.
Are you following the ways of Jesus too much is not good, or are you now a financial MOGUL?
Catholics see sin differently than other people.

They see it to be a guided journey, than not to do it at all.
preston

Athens, OH

#414297 Jan 9, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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YOU EVIDENTLY HAVE BYPASSED THE SUBJECT OF THIS FORUM AND HAVE EMBARKED UPON A PERSONAL VENDETTA AGAINST MY WIFE..
There is a law against cyber bullying would you like to test whether your post breaks that law?
If you were Christians you would discipline your selves accordingly ...
since you are evidently not Christians then the civil courts are there to protect her from you slander.
A word to the ---- is sufficient.
A word to the ---- is sufficient.

that phrase belongs to me, quit stealing it and using it unless you have written approval from me. WHICH I AINT GIVING.
I RIPPED OFF MY OLD PROFESSOR A LONG TIME AGO, BUT HE IS DEAD NOW SO HE CANT CLAIM IT FOR HIS OWN.

and I have said time and time again, the truth is a defense against any slander lawsuit, so if you or your wife(or anyone else) prints something on here and they show it isnt accurate, you wasted your money trying to sue them
MICHAEL

Canada

#414298 Jan 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
None of which counters my post.
People are fallible. The Church is not.
Thanks for supporting my point.
If many of the clergy have not been following the teachings of the church regarding morality and justice, whats the point in the church at all, if many of the leaders don't practice what they preach?

The tenats of the church were created by men. The bible was written by men. If God really had a hand in what you believe, God would have also inspired the teachers of the faith, to never get caught up in scandals that besmeech the church, fallible or not.

Why would Jesus put his stamp of approval on the church for 2,000 years, if bad deeds have been committed over and over during the past 20 centuries.

You do believe the holy spirit guides the church. Its obvious over the centuries, a few memos never got read.

Dan

Omaha, NE

#414299 Jan 9, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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If many of the clergy have not been following the teachings of the church regarding morality and justice, whats the point in the church at all, if many of the leaders don't practice what they preach?
The tenats of the church were created by men. The bible was written by men. If God really had a hand in what you believe, God would have also inspired the teachers of the faith, to never get caught up in scandals that besmeech the church, fallible or not.
Why would Jesus put his stamp of approval on the church for 2,000 years, if bad deeds have been committed over and over during the past 20 centuries.
You do believe the holy spirit guides the church. Its obvious over the centuries, a few memos never got read.
It's some, not many, and as I've said repeatedly, failure is part of the human condition. Period. I didn't think that was a controversial statement.

As to the Church, it cannot teach error. It doesn't teach that it's OK to commit any bad act, no matter who commits it. That's why it's lasted 2000 years despite the bad actors that have come and gone. People come and go. The Church remains.
MICHAEL

Canada

#414300 Jan 9, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Anthony MN wrote:
Righteous anger is biblical. No, Jesus was not sinning when He was tearing into the money changers. If I remember correctly, the example I used was yelling at the neighbor because his dog was crapping in my yard. I doubt one would consider that an example of biblical righteous anger. lol.
Now, back to the issue at hand (which you are trying ever so diligently to avoid), how do you justify discriminating between sins when deciding to financially support your pastor?
<quoted text>
Catholics see sin differently than other people.
They see it to be a guided journey, than not to do it at all.
The act is only sinful, if its someone other than a catholic committing it. That is why you rarely see catholics speak out personally against abusive clergy.

Catholics have this position that its not a sin if they don't believe its a sin.

Case in point. Catholic posters on here freely call protestants LIARS. You will never see a catholic ever call another catholic a liar under the same circumstances, as long as he/she is in good standing in the catholic church.

So much for balanced justice.

preston

Athens, OH

#414301 Jan 9, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Anthony said......The simple fact is you two are liars and have no problem lying about the Catholic Church, so I'm holding you accountable by exposing your lies for all to see. I will continue to do so each and every time you and her lie
Michael says......
.........and just think, just 2 short weeks ago you were wishing them both a very MERRY CHRISTMAS.
When did the wheels fall off?
Preston has gone the other way. For months he called gif Mr Fraud and KayMarie a LIAR. Now he tells everyone how nice they are.
I wish you catholics would show some consistency.
would it stroke your ego if I told you how I KNEW it wasnt them who gave me those negies on that other forum.

OK, HERE GOES, AT 9:47, I RECEIVED A EMAIL FROM THEM SAYING THAT HE WAS A BEAUTIFUL BABY.PEOPLE DONT DO THAT AND THEN GIVE OUT NEGIES. I STILL BELIEVE IT WAS THE SDA OR 4BDN, SINCE LTM SAID SHE DIDNT DO IT.

AND EVEN THO YOU ARE A PUNK AND A LOW LIFE TROUBLEMAKER, YOU AINT THAT LOW, YET!!!
MICHAEL

Canada

#414302 Jan 9, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Anthony MN wrote:
Righteous anger is biblical. No, Jesus was not sinning when He was tearing into the money changers. If I remember correctly, the example I used was yelling at the neighbor because his dog was crapping in my yard. I doubt one would consider that an example of biblical righteous anger. lol.
Now, back to the issue at hand (which you are trying ever so diligently to avoid), how do you justify discriminating between sins when deciding to financially support your pastor?
<quoted text>
Catholics see sin differently than other people.
They see it to be a guided journey, than not to do it at all.
NASL.....says .....Catholics see sin differently than other people.
They see it to be a guided journey, than not to do it at all.

You proved your point by the many negative judgies you received for your comment. Guranteed they were all by catholics.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#414303 Jan 9, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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Robert,
What you and Clay see as "attacks" are nothing more than addressing the title of this board.
Most of these so-called "attacks" are backed by credible links. If you could refute with same, then you and others might not view yourselves as victims.
When you post under the title "only true church" -- then expect to be challenged on that statement.
Playing the victim says that your "only one true" thing is absurd.
EXAMPLE -- It's impossible to argue that Jesus would want His "only true church" to use diplomatic immunity to avoid accountability.
That's just plain absurd -- and this is just just one example.
You see it as an attack, because you have no way to refute.
More? How does this "only true church" thing manifest itself in the quality of societies? Look at the Americas. Why do Catholic-majority societies tend to be more backward and crime-ridden?
How many absurdities do you want?
Freemind

"...attack"
"...so-called attack"
"...challenge"

You have made a pre-condition for my response in a euphamistic way, so that I cannot easily respond. So I would have to cover three ways to respond to your "EXAMPLE".

Your "EXAMPLE", is not an example, but a statement without logic, or known as fallacious gibberish...or a fallacy with 4 terms...

"EXAMPLE" is "It's impossible to argue that Jesus would want His "only true church" to use diplomatic immunity to avoid accountability."

If it is impossible....
If it is impossible to argue....

You have two major suppositions for me to contend with.

"You know what Jesus would want for His "only true church""

Another supposition, which I could acknowledge a-priori to you on a bias, but since this is central to you argument, I deny that you know what Jesus wants.

Finally I would have to argue about Church authority over State Authority, in your "accountability".

All of this could be done. I just don't have the time. And 50 posts of material to write.

Next time keep it simple, and logical. I am to slow.
MICHAEL

Canada

#414304 Jan 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Who's declaring immunity? from what?
It isn't working if it's being invoked; the crimes are being prosecuted in their respective jurisdictions.
Try again.
Dan says.........It isn't working if it's being invoked; the crimes are being prosecuted in their respective jurisdictions.

Michael says.........not because clergy did the right thing and dialed 9-1-1 whenever an abusive clergy member became known, but ONLY! because of the brave victims and their families who went to authorities themselves seeking rightful justice.

Either every diocese had telephone problems dialing out, or they would rather protect the church and not the victims.

When someone goes to confession and tells the priest they stole an item from a store, the priest will instruct the person to go back to the store, pay restitution and say you are sorry as part of your forgiveness and penance. NOT WITH CATHOLIC CLERGY......If any of the clergy perpitrators actually went to confession to another priest, its obvious either the priest hearing their confession never told them to report their crime, or the perpitrator decided not to themselves. I can't find any record that indicates any priest willfully turned himself in before the police arrived at his door with the victim and their families.

DO AS WE SAY, NOT AS WE DO.

Dan

Omaha, NE

#414305 Jan 9, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
The act is only sinful, if its someone other than a catholic committing it. That is why you rarely see catholics speak out personally against abusive clergy.
Catholics have this position that its not a sin if they don't believe its a sin.
Case in point. Catholic posters on here freely call protestants LIARS. You will never see a catholic ever call another catholic a liar under the same circumstances, as long as he/she is in good standing in the catholic church.
So much for balanced justice.
Typical unsupported statement.

I don't, as a Catholic, decide unilaterally as to what is or is not a sin. It's not my call. Ask any Catholic on the board and they'll tell you likewise.

If a Catholic or anyone on the board is a persistent liar or willfully misrepresents information, they do get called out. Of course, anyone's "standing" in the Church is unavailable on a message board.
MICHAEL

Canada

#414306 Jan 9, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>would it stroke your ego if I told you how I KNEW it wasnt them who gave me those negies on that other forum.
OK, HERE GOES, AT 9:47, I RECEIVED A EMAIL FROM THEM SAYING THAT HE WAS A BEAUTIFUL BABY.PEOPLE DONT DO THAT AND THEN GIVE OUT NEGIES. I STILL BELIEVE IT WAS THE SDA OR 4BDN, SINCE LTM SAID SHE DIDNT DO IT.
AND EVEN THO YOU ARE A PUNK AND A LOW LIFE TROUBLEMAKER, YOU AINT THAT LOW, YET!!!
I also posted to you that I said your grandkid was beautiful.

I have two young granddaughters myself.

What trouble have I created? I have never bullied an elderly couple constantly belittling them with names such as Mr FRAUD and LIAR over and over.

You tell us all the good you do in your church. You would never inform them the comments you make about others on this forum. Would you?

I am right up front about seeking rightful justice. You might not like it because your church has taken the wrong road so many times but the truth must be told, no matter how much it hurts.

You need to lighten up a little. If the teachers of your church were doing what they are suppose to be doing, I would have nothing to report about them.

Let put this behind us and move on.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#414307 Jan 9, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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Dan says.........It isn't working if it's being invoked; the crimes are being prosecuted in their respective jurisdictions.
Michael says.........not because clergy did the right thing and dialed 9-1-1 whenever an abusive clergy member became known, but ONLY! because of the brave victims and their families who went to authorities themselves seeking rightful justice.
Either every diocese had telephone problems dialing out, or they would rather protect the church and not the victims.
When someone goes to confession and tells the priest they stole an item from a store, the priest will instruct the person to go back to the store, pay restitution and say you are sorry as part of your forgiveness and penance. NOT WITH CATHOLIC CLERGY......If any of the clergy perpitrators actually went to confession to another priest, its obvious either the priest hearing their confession never told them to report their crime, or the perpitrator decided not to themselves. I can't find any record that indicates any priest willfully turned himself in before the police arrived at his door with the victim and their families.
DO AS WE SAY, NOT AS WE DO.
How on Earth are you privy to what is instructed in the confessional?

Wait-you're not.

Again, you can have your own opinion, not your own facts.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#414308 Jan 9, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> I humbly apologize if I offended you. I am sorry. I will go back and see what question you asked me. I will make an effort to be more patient...agape.
Aviela new friend

No need for an apology. I am slow. I tend to seperate ideas from passion, time and eternity, creation from Creator. I find going along with "accepted" teaching, and promulagating it as some personal truth to be merely robotic, didactic, and dead. It is better to ponder on God, the Beautiful....

Late have I loved you, Beauty so ancient and so new, late have I loved you!(St. Augustine)
MICHAEL

Canada

#414309 Jan 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
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It's some, not many, and as I've said repeatedly, failure is part of the human condition. Period. I didn't think that was a controversial statement.
As to the Church, it cannot teach error. It doesn't teach that it's OK to commit any bad act, no matter who commits it. That's why it's lasted 2000 years despite the bad actors that have come and gone. People come and go. The Church remains.
Yes Dan its some, and it is widespread around the world. The big issue is that many of the rest of these clerics knew about these crimes and did and said nothing.

When seminarians become priests they are put into a parish within a diocese. Usually for the next 50-60 years these priests form bonds with other priests in their diocese. They golf together, they socialize with each other they know who the good priests are and who the bad apples are. They also know who has had allegations against them regarding sexual abuse.

If a priest can hear my confession and advise me to report to the police what my serious crime is so justice and restitution can be honored, than any priest/bishop outside the confessional who knows of a molesting priest has a moral obligaton as any layperson to do the right thing and inform that molesting clergy to do the right thing, to go to authorities to report his crime. This is where the water gets murky.

How many clergy ever went to authorities to report their sinful FELONY crime? How many knowing clergy who did not molest inform another clergy member to report his crime? None that I ever heard of.

These are the same men telling you to always do the right thing, but for some reason those rules do not apply to them.


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