Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 20 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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preston

Waverly, OH

#413828 Jan 7, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't give a rats ass who it was. I know it wasn't me, and if there is a God he knows to who did it. If you believing it was me than God knows your a liar.
I think you took this too personally. Jethro posts a picture of his dog that I am sure he loves very much. I know many people with dogs who love them as much as people love their children. I too am a dog lover. I know Jethro has received many negative judgies but doesn't correlate that with people hating his dog.
Get over it cowboy! Start enjoying life.
ROTFLOL@U.

DO I DETECT A CRACK IN THE DEMEANOR OF ONE MICHAEL.

A PUNK WHO CAN DISH IT OUT BUT CANT TAKE IT?.

a crack?

NAH!! MORE LIKE A CANYON.LOL
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#413829 Jan 7, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The only thing being exposed is the unrelenting ignorance being practiced by you and your fellow bigots. You have no theological argument that can hold up against any Catholic teaching.
So, you use the scandal as a diversion technique.
Above, you used quotes from sacred scripture in an attempt to validate your personal views of the Church. This is using the Bible for your personal vendetta.
That's deceitful Confrint. You ordained yourself a pastor and claim to be called by God to be an authority on sacred scripture. Why then, do you manipulate the verses?
Also, the Pentecostal community has always had as many offenders as the CC. Most of you are in compounds, correct? So who knows what y'all do behind those doors.
If you were truly a man of God- defender of truth- you'd cease using a topic like child sexual abuse to win an argument. You know the stats. God knows you know the stats. God also knows why you'd bring it up in a debate too!
http://www.religioustolerance.org/clergy_sex1...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286153,00...

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#413830 Jan 7, 2013
Clay wrote:
I almost came on this forum again (well, I did for this post anyway) but, the moment I logged on, I saw mike talking about child sexual abuse again. Between Free and him, there were 43 posts in 8hrs about child sexual abuse so far. There was more yesterday. By the time this day is over... they will have accumulated over 100 posts just about child sexual abuse.
Now, i think its been fairly proven that the Church has made great strides to correct this evil. And statistically it was never more rampant in the CC then any other group. The so called 'cover up' is proven to be greatly exaggerated by people who wish the destruction of the Church for other reasons - not related to child sexual abuse.
It would be good to continue the great theological discussions with other Christians like, Preston, Pad and Chuck.
But child sexual abuse talk 24/7 feels like I'm participating in a couple peoples psychological issues. Its bizarre. I mean, when this week is over, there will be over 500 posts from Mike and free about this! Who does that??
anyway, God bless you Preston.
Clay
Peace

Yes. I understand. I have been re-evaluating my time spent on the threads....

Most of the arguments on here are from repetition and generalizations, and are fallacious as arguments. Undoubtedly, it is a result of attacking others and has become so ingrained in this society that reconciliation and constructive criticism is considered evil. Such as it is....

If I do stay on the thread, it would be for my edification, that I might learn not to be as judgemental as I see those on this thread are....

At this time I really see very very little in the way of exhorting one to a closer walk with Jesus on this thread. And that is to bad.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#413831 Jan 7, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>he not only "meant" me, but he "said "me.
MICHAEL
Hamilton, Canada
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confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
The main difference in denominations is simply those who oversee them. Thankfully, I am in a group that disciplines such failures.
I never gave you any of these negative feedbacks,
it was probably somebody named {cowboy} and other catholics.
OK...I missed that somehow.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#413832 Jan 7, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
This first site manages to list a whole seven offenders. They also admitted that they had insufficient information to compare CC and Protestant ministers.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#413833 Jan 7, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> Hello Robert, nice to meet you. Do you honestly think the Catholic church has produced good fruits. Do they teach accurate Bible knowlegde. Didn't the pope say not to us use God's name? How can he say that when God's Jehovah was found over 7000 thousand times in the orginal scriptures and scrolls. Religions that refuse to use God's name do so so that they don't have an accounting to the true God
Aviela new friend

I am afraid, I am not prepared to re-enter into a discussion. Nor did you respond to my answer. Instead you merely repeated your accusation(by innuendo), and added to it.

It is not upon me, to make you understand.

I am seriously considering leaving this thread, as it is merely repetitive.

As one might say, I shake the dust from my sandals, and move on.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#413834 Jan 7, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The only thing being exposed is the unrelenting ignorance being practiced by you and your fellow bigots. You have no theological argument that can hold up against any Catholic teaching.
So, you use the scandal as a diversion technique.
Above, you used quotes from sacred scripture in an attempt to validate your personal views of the Church. This is using the Bible for your personal vendetta.
That's deceitful Confrint. You ordained yourself a pastor and claim to be called by God to be an authority on sacred scripture. Why then, do you manipulate the verses?
Also, the Pentecostal community has always had as many offenders as the CC. Most of you are in compounds, correct? So who knows what y'all do behind those doors.
If you were truly a man of God- defender of truth- you'd cease using a topic like child sexual abuse to win an argument. You know the stats. God knows you know the stats. God also knows why you'd bring it up in a debate too!
Clay my friend, don't let the bastards get you down. Ignorant bigots like the confrintings of the world will always try to cover their own dung-heaps and lash out at the failings of others. The Church has suffered for her failing, but Jesus made a promise and He will not fail.

My advice is to ignore the miltant atheists Heckle and Jeckle, they have nothing to offer.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#413835 Jan 7, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
Your second site is a Fox report...but it is from a Catholic...Father Jonathan.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#413836 Jan 7, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The only thing being exposed is the unrelenting ignorance being practiced by you and your fellow bigots. You have no theological argument that can hold up against any Catholic teaching.
So, you use the scandal as a diversion technique.
Above, you used quotes from sacred scripture in an attempt to validate your personal views of the Church. This is using the Bible for your personal vendetta.
That's deceitful Confrint. You ordained yourself a pastor and claim to be called by God to be an authority on sacred scripture. Why then, do you manipulate the verses?
Also, the Pentecostal community has always had as many offenders as the CC. Most of you are in compounds, correct? So who knows what y'all do behind those doors.
If you were truly a man of God- defender of truth- you'd cease using a topic like child sexual abuse to win an argument. You know the stats. God knows you know the stats. God also knows why you'd bring it up in a debate too!
~~~

YOU WROTE

Above, you used quotes from sacred scripture in an attempt to validate your personal.

___

NOW YOU CALL THE SCRIPTURES SACRED... YET YOU DENY VERSE AFTER, VERSE.

AT YOUR WHIM..
SUCH AS THE LIST OF THE BROTHERS OF CHRIST ETC..
AND
ADD TO AT YOUR PLEASURE...such as your papal dynasty in Rome...
or immaculate conception...

You are really some kind of...a piece of work...

now you throw a hissy fit because your (so called)

"ONE TRUE APOSTOLIC CHURCH."...

HAS PROVEN ITSELF TO BE A "PERVERTED UNTRUE APOSTATE RELIGIOUS

ORGANIZATION." WHO'S SINS HAVE FINALLY CAUGHT UP WITH IT.

YOU MADE THE CHOICE TO BE A PART OF IT...NO ONE FORCED YOU TO.

SO IF YOU GO DOWN WITH THE SINKING SHIP ...it' your choice

We have worked feverishly and relentlessly to help you find the

truth.

Heb 2:1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

Heb 2:2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

Heb 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

so what more can be said..

You have cast your lot with those that molest Children...

and become guilty of their sins before the world by association.

The Bible says..

Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

Eph 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

~~~

If you don't like the light... being shined into the darkness...

of the Roman catholic Church...

then come out of it, and step into the light yourself.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#413837 Jan 7, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
What many here don't want to admit;

"In a 1984 survey, 38.6 percent of ministers reported sexual contact with a church member, and 76 percent knew of another minister who had had sexual intercourse with a parishioner.[xiii] In the same year, a Fuller Seminary survey of 1,200 ministers found that 20 percent of theologically “conservative” pastors admitted to some sexual contact outside of marriage with a church member. The figure jumped to over 40 percent for “moderates”; 50 percent of “liberal” pastors confessed to similar behavior.[xiv]

In 1990, in a study by the Park Ridge Center for the Study of Health, Faith and Ethics in Chicago, it was learned that 10 percent of ministers said they had had an affair with a parishioner and about 25 percent admitted some sexual contact with a parishioner.[xv] Two years later, a survey by Leadership magazine found that 37 percent of ministers confessed to having been involved in “inappropriate sexual behavior” with a parishioner.[xvi]

In a 1993 survey by the Journal of Pastoral Care, 14 percent of Southern Baptist ministers said they had engaged in “inappropriate sexual behavior,” and 70 percent said they knew a minister who had had such contact with a parishioner.[xvii] Joe E. Trull is co-author of the 1993 book, Ministerial Ethics, and he found that “from 30 to 35 percent of ministers of all denominations admit to having sexual relationships—from inappropriate touching to sexual intercourse—outside of marriage.”[xviii]

According to a 2000 report to the Baptist General Convention in Texas,“The incidence of sexual abuse by clergy has reached ‘horrific proportions.’” It noted that in studies done in the 1980s, 12 percent of ministers had “engaged in sexual intercourse with members” and nearly 40 percent had “acknowledged sexually inappropriate behavior.” The report concluded that “The disturbing aspect of all research is that the rate of incidence for clergy exceeds the client-professional rate for physicians and psychologists.”[xix] Regarding pornography and sexual addiction, a national survey disclosed that about 20 percent of all ministers are involved in the behavior.[xx]"

"..in the authoritative work by Penn State professor Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests, it was determined that between .2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles. The figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent.[xxii]"

http://www.catholicleague.org/sexual-abuse-in...
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#413838 Jan 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
This first site manages to list a whole seven offenders. They also admitted that they had insufficient information to compare CC and Protestant ministers.
Really? You mean only saw what you wanted to see again instead of the truth? Funny how you and LTM never see things but if your name is in a post you always see that. lol There is more, but keep your head in the sand and ignore all that was already posted so you can remain an ignoramous and jump in bed with anyone that will slander the church.

Reformation.com lists allegations involving 838 Protestant ministers who have been accused of sexually abusing children:

147 Baptist pastors

251 fundamentalist/evangelical pastors

140 Anglican/Episcopalian Ministers

38 Lutheran Ministers

46 Methodist Ministers

19 Presbyterian Ministers

197 misc. Church Ministers

Katoliko, a Roman Catholic website, publishes excerpts from various media sources about abuse by Protestant clergy, church staff, and volunteer workers in an attempt to balance the attacks on the Catholic Church. See: http://www.katoliko.com/

The Cyber Grotto of the Modern Church of Satan, perhaps reacting to false claims of Satanic Ritual Abuse of children during the late 20th century, reported a group of "Christian Sex Crimes" in 2006-OCT.

Multiply.com listed a lenghty list of "Evvangelical [sic] Ministers who 'love' the children of the world" in their journal titled "Christian Biblical Errancy Debate" at: http://wheresjesus.multiply.com/

A listing of many additlonal allegations of child molestation is contained in "THE CHRIST OF GOD IS MAGNIFICAL's Blog" on MySpace.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#413839 Jan 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Your second site is a Fox report...but it is from a Catholic...Father Jonathan.
No Catholics here;

"In the last three years, an average of 23 new articles each day have appeared in secular media sources revealing sexual abuse allegations arising in Protestant churches in the United States. Protestant denominations have been tempted to call sexual abuse a "Catholic problem"; this is simply not true. Within the past eight years, verdicts, judgments, or settlements exceeding hundreds of millions of dollars have been levied against Protestant churches for sexual abuse allegations arising from children participating in ministry programs."

http://www.buildingchurchleaders.com/articles...

"One of the most striking aspects of the Protestant clergy sex abuse pattern is that most people don't realize it is a pattern. The Catholic Church has taken a well deserved beating in the courts and in the court of public opinion as former altar boys, orphans and ordinary parishioners come forward with appalling stories of sex abuse. Yet equally egregious violations by Protestant clergy fail to generate the same level of outrage. Why?"

Why do we largely overlook the horrific pattern of Protestant pedophilia and sexual exploitation? Here are a few factors to consider:

The Catholic Church is easier to think of as a monolithic entity. That means it is easier for the press to cohere the abuse incidents into a single story and our brains to grok it. The idea of one big conspiracy appeals to us: "The Church" did it and then covered it up.

The centralized hierarchy of Catholicism makes Catholic offenders easier to sue and guarantees deep pockets. The lawsuits in turn both generate their own news cycle and bring victims out of the closet.

Since most Americans are Protestants, the Catholic sex abuse scandal is a story about "them." Protestant Pedophilia is a story about "us," which makes it less gratifying and more uncomfortable."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/09/28/9060... #

.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#413840 Jan 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
<>
If you don't like the light... being shined into the darkness...
of the Roman catholic Church...
then come out of it, and step into the light yourself.
Speaking of darkness....

"Another part of Pentecostalism’s dark side is rampant sexual and financial scandals. From early Pentecostal leader Charles Parham to Aimee Semple McPherson to Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart, the movement has been wracked by charges of misconduct, many of which have been substantiated by investigators.

In recent days a new scandal has been brewing over the conduct of Atlanta-based megachurch pastor Earl Paulk. Allegedly the Pentecostal bishop-pastor of the Cathedral of the Holy Spirit engaged in sex with several parishioners over a period of years. One accuser claims that he told her sex with him was necessary to revitalize his ministry and that he also lured her to engage in sex with a visiting pastor. Another woman brought a lawsuit claiming Paulk had sex with her when she was a teenager. Although Paulk has denied such charges and so far no verdicts have been delivered, the number and weight of the accusations add to the impression that not only Paulk but Pentecostalism has a problem with scandals.

Other Christian movements have suffered similar scandals, but Pentecostalism seems particularly rife with them. Insiders know some of the reasons. Deeply embedded within the Pentecostal movement’s ethos is a cult of personality; charismatic leaders are put on pedestals above accountability and are often virtually worshiped by many of their followers.

Too few courses in basic ethics are required in Pentecostal colleges (perhaps because many Pentecostals, especially older ones, assume that being Spirit-filled guarantees right behavior), and too many pastors handle the churches’ money and travel alone without having to account for their whereabouts or activities. It’s the movement’s own dirty little secret: sexual promiscuity and financial misconduct are rampant within its ranks, and little is done about this unless a scandal becomes public.

Several Pentecostal denominations have instituted policies to handle cases of pastoral moral turpitude and financial misconduct, but they have found those policies hard to enforce. At least one Pentecostal denomination has a policy that forbids investigation of charges that are more than five years old. One can only wonder why the leaders decided on that limit."

http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.as...
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#413842 Jan 7, 2013
Clay wrote:
I almost came on this forum again (well, I did for this post anyway) but, the moment I logged on, I saw mike talking about child sexual abuse again. Between Free and him, there were 43 posts in 8hrs about child sexual abuse so far. There was more yesterday. By the time this day is over... they will have accumulated over 100 posts just about child sexual abuse.
Now, i think its been fairly proven that the Church has made great strides to correct this evil. And statistically it was never more rampant in the CC then any other group. The so called 'cover up' is proven to be greatly exaggerated by people who wish the destruction of the Church for other reasons - not related to child sexual abuse.
It would be good to continue the great theological discussions with other Christians like, Preston, Pad and Chuck.
But child sexual abuse talk 24/7 feels like I'm participating in a couple peoples psychological issues. Its bizarre. I mean, when this week is over, there will be over 500 posts from Mike and free about this! Who does that??
anyway, God bless you Preston.
Frick and Frack are attention junkies. They love it when you answer them. They love it when ANYONE answers them. They're both atheists who make derogatory remarks about Jesus, so whatever they say about the One True Catholic Church founded by none other than Jesus Christ Himself, well, it's just an extension of their hatred of Him. After all, they both want prayer kept out of the public square and think same sex marriage is peachy keen. Who speaks out the loudest against such immorality? Who advocates the most ardently for religious freedom? Who isn't afraid to boldly say "God" in public? The Catholic Church, that's who!! The pentecostals run and hide. They'd sell their souls to the devil first. Wait...from what I see here they already have!

Kind of odd how Kay and Confrinting jump into bed with people like that. On second thought, it's not odd at all and perfectly in keeping with their morals and character (or lack thereof). Being ignorant, jealous bigots themselves, they have a lot in common with those two jackasses. Don't let them get you down. Just scroll right past their posts. Most people do.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#413843 Jan 7, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you try an new approach?
.. Be honest and truthful. Answer questions when asked, give accurate information.
God knows I! am trying.
Self....thanks!
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#413844 Jan 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Your second site is a Fox report...but it is from a Catholic...Father Jonathan.
Definitely NOT Catholic here;

"Pedophilia Only a Catholic Sin?

----------

It turns out pedophilia is an incorrect term, and Catholics aren't responsible for most of it."

"Philip Jenkins, in his 1996 book Pedophiles and Priests,[[link edited for length]], looked at the problem objectively and dispassionately. Jenkins (who is not Catholic) found that true pedophilia is extremely rare, and perhaps more common among Protestant clergy, and is even more common among married laymen."

http://www.nolanchart.com/article6740-pedophi...
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#413845 Jan 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Your second site is a Fox report...but it is from a Catholic...Father Jonathan.
Why is this Kay?

"At least one Pentecostal denomination has a policy that forbids investigation of charges that are more than five years old. One can only wonder why the leaders decided on that limit."

http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.as ...
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#413846 Jan 7, 2013
Woman Calls Pentecostal Pastor a Predator
By JACK BOUBOUSHIAN
Tuesday, December 04, 2012

CHICAGO (CN)- A Pentecostal church knew its pastor sexually abused minors but kept him on even after his wife divorced him for it, an alleged victim claims in court.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#413847 Jan 7, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not give it a try? God knows its not working the way it is now.
A new approach might be all we need.
Today in america 40% of women run households by themselves. Its not a mans world anymore. In a few years you will see a woman President, we have many congresswomen, female mayors, police officers, female firefighters, doctors, lawyers, nurses, bus drivers, garbage men, airplane pilots.
Its not 1954 anymore.
on the obverse.....

Single Dads with custody is also becoming more of a commonplace, where it used to be - by far - only woman with custody.

The world is realizing that there are many "deadbeat Moms" out there, just as well as, the "DB dads".

"According to the latest single-parent statistics reported in Unmarried and Single Americans Week Sept. 18-24, 2011, 11.7 million single parents were living with their children in 2010. Of those reported, 1.8 million were custodial single dads. In America, 3.4 percent of children live with their father only, and 4.1 percent of American children live with neither parent."
http://www.times-standard.com/guest_opinion/c...

This link also shows a 300% increase in father-only families from 1959 thru 1989.
www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc1...

Although I truly believe - that all people are created equal - although, I was once a single dad raiding four kids.....the absent mother (or even step-mother), can be critical to a child's life.

To this day, I do not know how my children have realized the impacts to their lives, or even if they ever will.

If you were wondering about my point, it is - not all women wear halos and are "righteous".

http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/ar...
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#413848 Jan 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Your second site is a Fox report...but it is from a Catholic...Father Jonathan.
What do you say to this Kay?

"You name me a denomination and I'll give you a case," Philip Jenkins told The Catholic Standard & Times, Philadelphia archdiocesan newspaper. "Some (denominations) with huge problems include Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Buddhists, Jews, Baptists, Pentecostals, Episcopalians -- you name them."

One of the most extreme cases of clergy sex abuse in U.S. history involved a Pentecostal minister named Tony Leyva, who molested several hundred boys in the 1980s, Jenkins said. But few Americans have heard of Leyva, he added, while some molesters who are former Catholic priests have become household names."

"Jenkins said that although the term "pedophile priests" came into usage in the mid-1980s, the problem should have more properly been called "pedophile pastors."

The "pedophile priests" phrase "defines the issue and makes it far more limited than it really is," he added. "In fact, most of the clergy who misbehave are not priests.

"My view is there is no evidence that Catholic clergy offend at a higher or lower rate than other clergy or than nonclergy that deal with children," Jenkins said. "There's no evidence either way. If somebody says,'Well, it's obvious, they do,' I say,'Fine, give me the evidence,' and the evidence isn't there."

Patricia Kelly of Kelly Counseling and Consulting in Glen Mills, Pa., agrees that other denominations have at least as high an incidence of sexual misconduct problems as the Catholic Church.

A number of years ago, Kelly said, she participated in a treatment program for clergy with sex abuse problems. "Most of the clergy that were there were not Catholic clergy," she said. "They were Protestant clergy. Most clergy that abuse are ministers, but the (Catholic) Church is sexy. It sells papers."

http://www.jknirp.com/jenkins3.htm

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