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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#413808 Jan 7, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
The "material"doesn't change! That is because the "truth" has, is and will continue to "remain the same", as it has, and will continue to remain the same, from over 2000 years
Ask the 42,000+ contradicting and conflicting Protestants. They have "new material" every "five minutes". That's why there are over 42,000 different denominations that "can't agree on anything" accept attacking, condemning and passing their "personal opinion" judgment against us Catholics and against Jesus Christ and His One True Church.
Why don't you name those 42,000 different denominations, and list their differences?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#413809 Jan 7, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
You continue to prove over and over again that you could "care less" about the truth of "anything"regarding the CAtholic
Church. You, Michael, habitually "throw out anything" on this forum that is anti-catholic---hoping that "something sticks"!---of which it "never" does!!!
If I didn't care about the TRUTH I wouldn't waste one minute on this forum trying to straighten you out.

again if you told a priest in the confessional or even in a conversation that you stole a bicycle any good priest would demand that you return it to the owner and apologize, or the sin would remain on your soul.

Why is it different for molesting clergy, who also went to confession, that they don't have to return to the scene of their crime, and express remorse for their actions, and they don't have to go to authorities to close the book on the crime they committed?

WHY do you have to, but they don't?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#413810 Jan 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you name those 42,000 different denominations, and list their differences?
Wouldn't you believe he would know them all off by heart? He has repeated that statement 42,000 different denominations, over 547 times on this forum.

Maybe he can start with those that start with the letter A, and enlighten us.

You know he won't respond, with an intelligent answer. Because there is no answer.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#413811 Jan 7, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Know how to clean up the scandals in the church?
Remove all the male clerics including the pope. Make them all women. No woman would with any authority would EVER allow a child to be harmed. If all the priests were women there would be no abuse scandals on young children. If all the cardinals and the pope were women, there would be no money laundering scandals as I have never heard of a woman involved in any such thing.
Let the people pick the pope and the cardinals, and if they have a bad report card, out they go. God would approve.
Pick a womans name? Any name, lets just call her REGINA. A woman named REGINA would be POPE REGINA Ist.
Pick only beautiful women, that would get attention of the male followers and church attendance would rise dramatically.
WIN WIN for everyone including the image of the church.....a no brainer.
Sorry, Michael, but that plan wouldn't work. Beautiful women can be seduced...and often are. Then they do what their 'boss' wants them to do. So you are under indirect male dominance.

Men are intended to be head of things. Husband means 'house-bander'. He is what holds it all together. I believe that women can preach and teach...and should. But under 'submission'. Sub means 'under' or secondary; mission is the calling. Men are called to lead families, churches and nations. Their MISSION. Women are to support THEIR man.

Sadly, women have been known to pull some finacial 'boners', and to mistreat children.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#413812 Jan 7, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
You continue to prove over and over again that you could "care less" about the truth of "anything"regarding the CAtholic
Church. You, Michael, habitually "throw out anything" on this forum that is anti-catholic---hoping that "something sticks"!---of which it "never" does!!!
Why don't you try an new approach?

.. Be honest and truthful. Answer questions when asked, give accurate information.

God knows I! am trying.

MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#413813 Jan 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, Michael, but that plan wouldn't work. Beautiful women can be seduced...and often are. Then they do what their 'boss' wants them to do. So you are under indirect male dominance.
Men are intended to be head of things. Husband means 'house-bander'. He is what holds it all together. I believe that women can preach and teach...and should. But under 'submission'. Sub means 'under' or secondary; mission is the calling. Men are called to lead families, churches and nations. Their MISSION. Women are to support THEIR man.
Sadly, women have been known to pull some finacial 'boners', and to mistreat children.
Why not give it a try? God knows its not working the way it is now.

A new approach might be all we need.

Today in america 40% of women run households by themselves. Its not a mans world anymore. In a few years you will see a woman President, we have many congresswomen, female mayors, police officers, female firefighters, doctors, lawyers, nurses, bus drivers, garbage men, airplane pilots.

Its not 1954 anymore.

Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#413814 Jan 7, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
HOJO........HOW DO YOU KNOW that a molesting priests never apologize to their victims!
MICHAEL says..........SHOW ME EXAMPLES!
Give me one example where a molesting priest went to authorities to turn himself in because the priest in the confessional told him to?
NEVER HAPPENED! WHY?
If you stole a bicycle the priest HEARING YOUR CONFESSION would tell you to return it to the owner. Right?
Doesn't the priest hearing confession have an moral obligation to express to the molesting priest to do the right thing before he is absolved from sin? If you are not going to serve justice for your sin, than why is the sin absolved?
....something is terribly wrong hojo!
Apology is not going to fix the emotional traumas they have caused hundreds of victims. They robbed their lives. These preachers should do time like all the rest of wicked criminals. The robe doesn't make them holy men
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#413815 Jan 7, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Answer my QUESTION?
Not one molesting priest ever turned himself in to authorities and not one of them ever went to a victims family to say he was sorry. How can a molesting priest ever have this sin removed if they didn't really show remorse for their sin, by turning themselves in and serve the punishment for the crime? ARE YOU OK WITH THAT?
When we go to confession, the priest instructs us to go make restitution (personally)(if the individual is geographically accessible) Any Catholic knows that!! So whats your point!!
How do you Michael, as an "isolated" ex-Catholic--sitting on your comdemning and judgemental (SOAP BOX) know that molesting priest did or did not go and make amends with their victims. YOU HAVE NO CLUE, YOU HAVE NO IDEA, AND YOU HAVE "NOTHING" to back up ANY of your "outrageous (goofy) assumptions) whether this happened or not! Why do you "keep assuming" by your "opinionated anti-catholic exaggerations" that none of this took place!! Every time you post and comment on this forum, you try to "pull the same old" (made up) overblown and senseless hype!!!

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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#413816 Jan 7, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not give it a try? God knows its not working the way it is now.
A new approach might be all we need.
Today in america 40% of women run households by themselves. Its not a mans world anymore. In a few years you will see a woman President, we have many congresswomen, female mayors, police officers, female firefighters, doctors, lawyers, nurses, bus drivers, garbage men, airplane pilots.
Its not 1954 anymore.
Women are running households, and we DO have many congresswomen. I see few good representatives (picture Nancy Pelosi!). The Governor of Arizona is one good example.

Godliness is the missing element in men AND women. Without that element, we are doomed.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#413817 Jan 7, 2013
Aviela wrote:
Matthew 7:20 Really, then by their fruits YOU will recognize those men.
If you understand the Bible you will know what this scripture means. Jesus is talking about false religion producing good or bad fruits. Do you think the Catholic church has is producing good fruits with their reputation of burning people at the stake and all these child molestation cases?
Hello Aviela new friend

I am afraid you are making a hasty generalization from a fallacy, or an overgeneralization from bias or both.

First if the RCC was evil,(Proverbs 10:27
The fear of the LORD prolongs days: but the years of the wicked shall be shortened.) it would have died out. Notice however the opposite is true, that evil being short-lived, how many "so-called" Christian religions(actually heresies), and movements have perished.

True the RCC has been around for a long time, thus it has a lengthy history. And that some of the fruit from the RCC falls off, and decays on the ground. Thus, the tree is good, and the fruit is good, but when individuals are tempted and sin, then they fall from the tree....
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#413818 Jan 7, 2013
The Catholic church does not have God's holy spirit. Their church leaders are commiting diabolical acts molesting boys and getting away with but. But rest assure that Jehovah says vengence is mine and I will REPAY. You cannot hide behind the cloth and use God as an excuse to prey on children. That is the lowest of the low. There is absolutely NO excuse to be hurting innocent lives.
Clay

United States

#413819 Jan 7, 2013
I almost came on this forum again (well, I did for this post anyway) but, the moment I logged on, I saw mike talking about child sexual abuse again. Between Free and him, there were 43 posts in 8hrs about child sexual abuse so far. There was more yesterday. By the time this day is over... they will have accumulated over 100 posts just about child sexual abuse.
Now, i think its been fairly proven that the Church has made great strides to correct this evil. And statistically it was never more rampant in the CC then any other group. The so called 'cover up' is proven to be greatly exaggerated by people who wish the destruction of the Church for other reasons - not related to child sexual abuse.

It would be good to continue the great theological discussions with other Christians like, Preston, Pad and Chuck.
But child sexual abuse talk 24/7 feels like I'm participating in a couple peoples psychological issues. Its bizarre. I mean, when this week is over, there will be over 500 posts from Mike and free about this! Who does that??
anyway, God bless you Preston.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#413820 Jan 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you name those 42,000 different denominations, and list their differences?
I listed this previously, for you, on June 5th, however we as Catholics ALL KNOW that you'd rather rely on your distorted and confused "personal opinion" --as the "final authority" by rejecting the TRUTH when it is put in front of you! You, like other, Protestants, who are in "denial of the truth" need to have the TRUTH of biblical and historical church history and TRUTH of Jesus Christs ONE TRUE CATHOLIC CHURCH consistently repeated to you over and over and over again, until MAYBE---JUST MAYBE---it MIGHT sink in!! AGAIN--here is a partial list of your 42,000+(beginning with the A's) conflicting and contradicting "mish-mash" of inconsistent "SELF INTERPRETING" denominations since the beginning of the Reformation:
1.Luther
2.Zwingli
3.Knox
4.Wesley
5.Huss
6.Cromwell
7.Wycliff
8.(Beginning with the A's
Advent Christian Church
Advent Christian Conference
Advent Christian Conference of Japan
Adventist Church
Adventists of the True Remnant
Africa Christian network
Africa Evangelical Church
Africa Evangelical Church of Malawi
Africa Gospel Church
Africa Gospel Unity Church
Africa Inland Church
African Apostolic Church of Johane Maranke
African Apostolic Church of Johane Masowe
African Apostolic Church of Nigeria & Benin
African Apostolic Church St Simon & St Johane
African Apostolic Faith Mission
African Assemblies of God
African Baptist Assembly Malawi
African Born Full Gospel Apostolic Ch
African Brotherhood Church
African Catholic Church
African Christian Church & Schools
African Christians Fellowship
African Church
African Church Mission
African Church of Jesus Christ in Kenya
African Church of the Holy Spirit
African Church The
African Congregational Church
African Covenant Church
African Disciples of Christ
African Divine Church
African Evangelical Presbyterian Ch
African Faith Tabernacle Church
African Free Presb Church of Zimbabwe
African Full Gospel Church
African Gospel Church
African Holy Zionist Church
African Independent Church of Kenya
African Independent Pentecostal Church of Africa
African Interior Church
African Methodist Church in Zimbabwe
African Methodist Episcopal Church
African Methodist Episcopal Zion Ch
African Mission of Holy Ghost Church
African National Church
African National/International Church.....

55.- 41,992 The rest of the A's through Z

41,993. Confrinting
41,994. Orville
41,995. 4GVN
41,996. OLDJG
41,997. justachristian1
41,998. New Age
41,999. Marge
42,000. Whomever on this forum that we missed

ALL 42,000+ "half-truth' Christian denominations are contradictory to each other, conflicting to each other, and inconsistent with each other. ALL 42,000+ rely on "personal opinion" hodge-podge of beliefs and ALL have their own "self appointed popes and rely upon "inventing and creating" their own "modernistic" RELATIVE truth-- which is "predicated upon" and determined by "whichever way the political or social wind blows"---- all, many or some supporting ABORTION, GAY MARRIAGE, EMBROYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH, EUTHENASIA, HOMOSEXUALITY, WOMAN MINISTERS, and on and on and on.
The "total reliance and basis" of EVERY ONE these 42,000+ Protestant beliefs, is to aggressively attack, THE TRUTH and to judge and condemn over 2000 years of the TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church. EVERY ONE of these 42,000+ Protestant beliefs CANNOT exist or "stand on their own beliefs" WITHOUT criticizing the TRUTH OF HISTORY, by "self opinionating" the TRUTH OF THE TRUE INTERPRETATION of the bible in 397AD and without spreading their "hate and hostility" toward Jesus Christ HIMSELF and HIS Historically and biblically PROVEN---- ONE TRUE CHURCH---(the bride of Christ) v
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#413821 Jan 7, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello Aviela new friend
I am afraid you are making a hasty generalization from a fallacy, or an overgeneralization from bias or both.
First if the RCC was evil,(Proverbs 10:27
The fear of the LORD prolongs days: but the years of the wicked shall be shortened.) it would have died out. Notice however the opposite is true, that evil being short-lived, how many "so-called" Christian religions(actually heresies), and movements have perished.
True the RCC has been around for a long time, thus it has a lengthy history. And that some of the fruit from the RCC falls off, and decays on the ground. Thus, the tree is good, and the fruit is good, but when individuals are tempted and sin, then they fall from the tree....
Hello Robert, nice to meet you. Do you honestly think the Catholic church has produced good fruits. Do they teach accurate Bible knowlegde. Didn't the pope say not to us use God's name? How can he say that when God's Jehovah was found over 7000 thousand times in the orginal scriptures and scrolls. Religions that refuse to use God's name do so so that they don't have an accounting to the true God
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#413822 Jan 7, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
HOJO........HOW DO YOU KNOW that a molesting priests never apologize to their victims!
MICHAEL says..........SHOW ME EXAMPLES!
Give me one example where a molesting priest went to authorities to turn himself in because the priest in the confessional told him to?
NEVER HAPPENED! WHY?
If you stole a bicycle the priest HEARING YOUR CONFESSION would tell you to return it to the owner. Right?
Doesn't the priest hearing confession have an moral obligation to express to the molesting priest to do the right thing before he is absolved from sin? If you are not going to serve justice for your sin, than why is the sin absolved?
....something is terribly wrong hojo!
YOU ARE THE ONE Michael, that keeps (exaggerating) the claim that "NONE of these molesting priests have "ever" made restitution with their victims. I'm saying that "some have and some haven't", I don't know what %--- however (common sense) says that it is NOT 100% either way!! Again--YOU ARE THE ONE that is making the outrageous, ridiculous claim that NONE HAVE...... It is up to you to prove that NONE HAVE!--You are the one that keep going off the "deep end" with these 100% claims.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#413823 Jan 7, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
I am all about truth, and justice.
Truth has "escaped you" ever since you came on this forum, Michael. For you it all about exaggerated and overblown anti-catholic articles, statistics and distorted (opinionated) hostility against Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church! And we as Catholics "all know that you are not fooling anyone" but yourself!!!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#413824 Jan 7, 2013
Clay wrote:
I almost came on this forum again (well, I did for this post anyway) but, the moment I logged on, I saw mike talking about child sexual abuse again. Between Free and him, there were 43 posts in 8hrs about child sexual abuse so far. There was more yesterday. By the time this day is over... they will have accumulated over 100 posts just about child sexual abuse.
Now, i think its been fairly proven that the Church has made great strides to correct this evil. And statistically it was never more rampant in the CC then any other group. The so called 'cover up' is proven to be greatly exaggerated by people who wish the destruction of the Church for other reasons - not related to child sexual abuse.
It would be good to continue the great theological discussions with other Christians like, Preston, Pad and Chuck.
But child sexual abuse talk 24/7 feels like I'm participating in a couple peoples psychological issues. Its bizarre. I mean, when this week is over, there will be over 500 posts from Mike and free about this! Who does that??
anyway, God bless you Preston.
~~~

You wrote..

I almost came on this forum again (well, I did for this post anyway) but, the moment I logged on, I saw mike talking about child sexual abuse again. Between Free and him, there were 43 posts in 8hrs about child sexual abuse so far. There was more yesterday. By the time this day is over... they will have accumulated over 100 posts just about child sexual abuse.

Your fretting about the expose of the R CC perverted priest..

begs the question..

Just how many innocent children have been sodomized by a perverted
priest in the time you spent being insulted because their predators, are being exposed...

Question...JUST WHO'S SIDE ARE YOU ON ANYWAY...

THE BIBLE SAYS

Mat_15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Mar_7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

THE HEART OF YOUR
CHURCH IS BEING EXPOSED...and it should be/will be a painful operation.

IT ALSO SAYS

Luk 12:2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.

Luk 12:3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

THEY HAVE LIVED IT UP!..Now they//YOU have to live it down!

You evidently need to face reality
Disciple

San Diego, CA

#413825 Jan 7, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Answer this question.
If you stole a bicycle and you felt guilty and went to confession and told the priest you stole the bicycle what would any good priest tell you to do?
Odd,
I never understood how prayer could translate to castigation.
preston

Waverly, OH

#413826 Jan 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe he didn't mean you. There certainly are more posters on here who would be glad to give me neggies.!!!
he not only "meant" me, but he "said "me.

MICHAEL
Hamilton, Canada
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|Report Abuse |Judge it!|#413719 7 hrs ago
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confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
The main difference in denominations is simply those who oversee them. Thankfully, I am in a group that disciplines such failures.
I never gave you any of these negative feedbacks,

it was probably somebody named {cowboy} and other catholics.

Clay

United States

#413827 Jan 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
You wrote..
I almost came on this forum again (well, I did for this post anyway) but, the moment I logged on, I saw mike talking about child sexual abuse again. Between Free and him, there were 43 posts in 8hrs about child sexual abuse so far. There was more yesterday. By the time this day is over... they will have accumulated over 100 posts just about child sexual abuse.
Your fretting about the expose of the R CC perverted priest..
begs the question..
Just how many innocent children have been sodomized by a perverted
priest in the time you spent being insulted because their predators, are being exposed...
Question...JUST WHO'S SIDE ARE YOU ON ANYWAY...
THE BIBLE SAYS
Mat_15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Mar_7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
THE HEART OF YOUR
CHURCH IS BEING EXPOSED...and it should be/will be a painful operation.
IT ALSO SAYS
Luk 12:2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
Luk 12:3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.
THEY HAVE LIVED IT UP!..Now they//YOU have to live it down!
You evidently need to face reality
The only thing being exposed is the unrelenting ignorance being practiced by you and your fellow bigots. You have no theological argument that can hold up against any Catholic teaching.
So, you use the scandal as a diversion technique.

Above, you used quotes from sacred scripture in an attempt to validate your personal views of the Church. This is using the Bible for your personal vendetta.
That's deceitful Confrint. You ordained yourself a pastor and claim to be called by God to be an authority on sacred scripture. Why then, do you manipulate the verses?
Also, the Pentecostal community has always had as many offenders as the CC. Most of you are in compounds, correct? So who knows what y'all do behind those doors.
If you were truly a man of God- defender of truth- you'd cease using a topic like child sexual abuse to win an argument. You know the stats. God knows you know the stats. God also knows why you'd bring it up in a debate too!

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