Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#412778 Jan 2, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Free Mind" Proof of RCC's "Real Presence" claim......
http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/euc...
**********
Everyone should view/read this site.
KM
You, KM and Free Mind can read it and re-read it again along with your latest copy of the National Inquirer, which has about as much credibility!!.......This is just another anti-catholic (extremist) source of Jewish "forked tongue" news who will say, write, print and "dig up" anything (in desperation) in order to keep their animosity, vengeance, hate and hostility "heated up" against Jesus Christ and His (historically and biblically proven One True Apostolic Catholic Church...... Heretics, bigots, false teachers and hypocrites have come and gone for over 2000 years---YET---the Church Lives On---and will CONTINUE to live on --despite heretical "buffoons" such as these!!

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#412779 Jan 2, 2013
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nitrate-sulfate formula stay within
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why i am stupid according you or poor maybe mental
Institutional harassment who can or who can't is parasite in every government all around world.
If you not understood me, you don't need..but i am free tell them without any sorry.
From corupt smart diploma you don't need any recognition less think about them..they are owfull even if they have nice suits as well nice present..do you liked bobice from smart mama pharma pharmaceutic.
Could you put that in more understandable language?
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#412780 Jan 2, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"Written by Sue"
Another phony "ex-Catholic".
What a sucker....
So what? Reported by Sue, an ex-catholic.

Please show us where the RCC denounces such clown acts?

http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/euc...

Is the graphic of the fraud too-much for you. Then here's another sweet, edited take from a devoted catholic website:

http://www.marys-touch.com/introduction/mirac...
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#412781 Jan 2, 2013
FLASH....

In an effort to reclaim the 70% of Roman Catholics who are non-practicing, the Roman Catholic Church has announced the independent DNA and other testing --- of those Eucharistic miracles that have been approved by the Vatican as authentic.

http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/euc...
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#412782 Jan 2, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
So what? Reported by Sue, an ex-catholic.
Please show us where the RCC denounces such clown acts?
http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/euc...
Is the graphic of the fraud too-much for you. Then here's another sweet, edited take from a devoted catholic website:
http://www.marys-touch.com/introduction/mirac...
Oh please...this is your "scholarly" evidence?

What a chump.
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#412783 Jan 2, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh please...this is your "scholarly" evidence?
What a chump.
No, I am asking for scholarly evidence, not this kind of BS.

Your "perfect" church claims to have physical real-world evidence.

However, every single example is fraud -- a lie.

We BOTH know this because if not, the RCC would gladly have independent testing of this amazing flesh, right?

Imagine the souls it would save if true!

Imagine all the fence sitters coming back!

It is immoral to lie.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#412784 Jan 2, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I am asking for scholarly evidence, not this kind of BS.
Your "perfect" church claims to have physical real-world evidence.
However, every single example is fraud -- a lie.
We BOTH know this because if not, the RCC would gladly have independent testing of this amazing flesh, right?
Imagine the souls it would save if true!
Imagine all the fence sitters coming back!
It is immoral to lie.
I would agree, a DNA test would be sweet. I'm not sure if its possible to include anything conclusive.

Personally, i don't think it would make much a difference to bigots like you. Most will just say the Church altered the samples anyway.
To us, who have partook in the Eucharist, it really wouldn't matter either way.

I guarantee you'd find a radical website that says the RCC contaminated the samples to validate their claim. Then you would stick with their opinion and continue on with your daily rants.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#412785 Jan 2, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I am asking for scholarly evidence, not this kind of BS.
Your "perfect" church claims to have physical real-world evidence.
However, every single example is fraud -- a lie.
We BOTH know this because if not, the RCC would gladly have independent testing of this amazing flesh, right?
Imagine the souls it would save if true!
Imagine all the fence sitters coming back!
It is immoral to lie.
And I don't really understand what you're saying about RCC and miracles Blah Blah.
I believe Fr Dye - after he was done laughing at your silly accusations- answered it thoroughly.
The RCC simply says certain events are 'worthy of belief'. They don't get to worked up in this department. And Catholics are DEFINITELY NOT required to agree with any of them.
The Church actually does a responsible job when investigating supposed miracles. They use independent scientist and carefully comb over the evidence.
Bigots like you could care less.
Why on Earth do you even care about Catholic stuff? you that insecure about your beliefs Free?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#412786 Jan 2, 2013
who="Anthony MN"
Oh please...this is your "scholarly" evidence?
What a chump.

Virgin's message:

Have complete trust in me. Love this Heavenly Mother wholeheartedly and seek refuge in her Heart. I am the shortcut to Jesus and the Helper in His Redemptive Work.

**********

So the 'virgin' commands to be loved, and declares herself a "shortcut to Jesus, and the helper in His Redemptive work?

KayMarie
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#412787 Jan 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I would agree, a DNA test would be sweet. I'm not sure if its possible to include anything conclusive.
Personally, i don't think it would make much a difference to bigots like you. Most will just say the Church altered the samples anyway.
To us, who have partook in the Eucharist, it really wouldn't matter either way.
I guarantee you'd find a radical website that says the RCC contaminated the samples to validate their claim. Then you would stick with their opinion and continue on with your daily rants.
Psychologists call that "rationalization" and "denial."

You are not sure if DNA, carbon dating, and others tests would do any good? Maybe we should tell that to America's legal system and science community.

There are procedures which would ensure honesty, and the world would insist on such -- based on the track record of the RCC.(How do you rationalize so many lies from Jesus' supposed church.)

As for "bigots like me," who cares what I think???

Isn't the #1 job of the RCC to save souls?

Hello? 75% of Roman Catholics are no longer weekly, practicing. What about them?

We BOTH know these so-called Eucharist miracles are cheap frauds.

So cut the "one true" crapola. No true church would ever require such fraud?

Memo to RCC -- try honesty nand faith and forget the lies and the fraud.
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#412789 Jan 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
And I don't really understand what you're saying about RCC and miracles Blah Blah.
I believe Fr Dye - after he was done laughing at your silly accusations- answered it thoroughly.
The RCC simply says certain events are 'worthy of belief'. They don't get to worked up in this department. And Catholics are DEFINITELY NOT required to agree with any of them.
The Church actually does a responsible job when investigating supposed miracles. They use independent scientist and carefully comb over the evidence.
Bigots like you could care less.
Why on Earth do you even care about Catholic stuff? you that insecure about your beliefs Free?
Fr Dye didn't laugh. As I recall, we agreed completely. He was disdainful of these cheap RCC tricks. He also spoke about the difference between faith and fact. You missed that it seems.

AS for "the Church actually doing a responsible job," sure - just more rationalization. They haven't tested in the DNA era. Why not, if they are so "responsible?"

Your church publicly displays so-called proof worldwide -- all cheap frauds. Popes pay homage to maintain the fraud.

A DNA test could tell us so much. Imagine any other church making such claims (and some do), but refusing to share the "proof." Then look in the mirror.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#412791 Jan 2, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Very heartfelt post you wrote on the pope Dan. I wish more of your evangelical friends here would have watched it.
Please take a moment and read this article, I think you'll find it helpful;
http://www.catholic-legate.com/Apologetics/Th...
WELL it is about time,you shared something I could get a clearer understanding of here,especially on such an important subject as this.What a difference in understanding.Here so many see the elements as being transformed,when in truth they are substance made the Body and Blood,not done by the priest,but at consecration,the Lord does it Himself. Does not affect the senses. Very good illustration when Bonocore describes the similarity in what happens to us when we become new creations in Christ.

"in Christ we are made into a new creation." Now clearly, this does not apply to our form-our physical properties, since, we don't look different, and the world does not see any obvious physical change in a person when he or she becomes a believer in Christ. However, according to the Words of the Scripture, we know a metaphysical change has taken place,---that the former sinner has been recreated in the image and likeness of Jesus, and is now a new creation. ERGO, the metaphysical substance has changed. Truly,wholly,entirely, and substanialy. AND this all we believe when it comes to the nature of the Lord's Supper the Eucharist." Mark Bonocore.

"Metaphysical refers to a God-created reality that transcends the physical."

Ireneaus 180 AD. Puts it very clear and I appreciate his statement:
"For just as the Bread which comes from the earth, having received the invocation of God, is no longer ordinary bread,but the Eucharist,consisting of two realities, earthly and h e a v e n l y so our bodies, having received the Eucharist,are no longer corruptible, because they have the hope of the resurrection."

I might add here my own opinion on the result of such as Irenaeus quotes,it is terrible if we are unworthy or rather unwashed in the Word,unrepentant and living in sin,when we receive such.I find this to be a fallacy in the RCC as so many Catholics parade up front to receive the Eucharist,but many have no clue as to the measure by which they should be repentant and washed clean in the Blood of Christ before they partake.

I have seen in Italian churches members of the MOB,go freely up to the altar to receive the Eucharist,and return to their dasterly deeds on Monday."To their own destruction,and the priest knows who they are.Much hypocrisy in the political/religious observance of many Catholics who freely go to Communion.I am mostly Italian Anthony,and was raised in a n area of Jersey where there were lots of Mafioso types,who went to Mass regularly,receiving the Eucharist.

Thank you for sharing the discourse between Mark Bonocore and Dan Hickling.

"That Christ's true Body and Blood are present in the Sacrament can be perceived neither by SENSE nor by REASON, but by f a i t h alone, which rests on God's authority.In the text,'This is My Body which is given for you,' Cyril comments(Jerusalem 360AD)'That we must not doubt that this is True, but must take the Savior's word on faith; He is truth and does not lie."(Thomas Aquinas 13thcentury defined Transubstantiation, in disputations XXVll de Veritate 4,336, Corpus Christi, Beviary Lessons.)

Again thank you Anthony.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#412792 Jan 2, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Psychologists call that "rationalization" and "denial."
You are not sure if DNA, carbon dating, and others tests would do any good? Maybe we should tell that to America's legal system and science community.
There are procedures which would ensure honesty, and the world would insist on such -- based on the track record of the RCC.(How do you rationalize so many lies from Jesus' supposed church.)
As for "bigots like me," who cares what I think???
Isn't the #1 job of the RCC to save souls?
Hello? 75% of Roman Catholics are no longer weekly, practicing. What about them?
We BOTH know these so-called Eucharist miracles are cheap frauds.
So cut the "one true" crapola. No true church would ever require such fraud?
Memo to RCC -- try honesty nand faith and forget the lies and the fraud.
DNA gets contaminated all the time and the results are inconclusive. These samples are centuries old.
To be honest, I still have no clue what you're talking about anyway. I think you're some kind of sociopath. A nut job...
You keep obsessing about Eucharist Miracles but I only have heard of one.

A couple yrs ago, a host turned blood red in MN here. The Church got the sample tested by experts. While they were doing it, bigots like you hammered them ...they trashed the Church for weeks on the MPLS newspapers website. They sounded exactly like you Free.
The funny thing is, the CC here, never once claimed anything about the host. In fact, they cast doubt on it right away and urged people not to buy into it. Then the testing came back and it proved to be a natural yeast thing.
Of course, bigots like you posted the next day,'CC proven to be frauds about the Eucharistic miracle they claimed'..Wow. What?
That's what they deal with.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#412793 Jan 2, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Did I give you too much to think about or do you just ignore logic?
Ergo, chiefly logic,therefore. You claim I did not answer any of your questions,and that I preached to you.Sorry if that is the way you saw my explaining the difficult questions,I not being a theologian tried to reason out with you.Logic also sees truth,and reason,and the BALANCE of all the properties of truth coming together,to complete a picture.

Atheists and those who side with them,are blessed to have the knowledge of how this earth TICKS BlackSheep,but they throw reason out when they decide that it all just happened without an intelligent mind,that knows why every atom moves in concert to form and evelop into the resulted thing or being.

I as a believer will never give up the LOGIC of the Creator for existance by randomness,and even though one might be able to explain the every corpuscle of life,and what each one needs to be nourished and contributes to the ultimate assembly of a being and the means of survival,it still is void of truth when GOD is left out.All Scientists to date have learned from other Scientists,already everything was sought out,discovered and now in the manuals of written facts and figures of scientific revelation.Yes there are those Scientists who are discovering this very hour perhaps,but they still needed the materials of information that help them to do the experiments right,not using the wrong chemicals and procedures in the LABORATORIES.

If we limit LOGIC to the already defined experiments of humans to discover things,we are losing the bigger panorama of how all these things connect to both our development and how they relate to a Supreme Being who is all Knowledge,Truth and Wisdom.

I cannot argue with you about scientific research,or its great bastion of defined Science, but I can tell you that Minus GOD,the Creator,it is a lonely DRUM of hollow nothingness.We are not going to be the Star Trekian elite who can explore the Universe,as bags of water,being able to defeat the many obstacles of Space,although quite entertaining to say the least.

I appreciate your mind if it is well versed in those things of Science and so on,and I compliment you on whatever you know in life,but I also find that those things in and of themselves are LONELY achievments without the wonderful blessing of God on them,especially when one is not aware of HIM who created all things for His purpose.

Science,and all the Applied Arts are ever so significant,and we as human beings can appreciate every bit of it,and you know very well that the men and women who are in that Occupation of life are greatly sought after,also honored,given high awards,trophies,and titles.Needless to even think that the People of God show any disrespect in these days to that eschelon of society who represent the Arts and Sciences.

I have talked with people who have received the highest honors in their fields of Science,Medicine and so forth,and when they are older they are lonely and those titles they received meant little without a Love for God who created all things,SEEN and UNSEEN.
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#412794 Jan 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
DNA gets contaminated all the time and the results are inconclusive. These samples are centuries old.
To be honest, I still have no clue what you're talking about anyway. I think you're some kind of sociopath. A nut job...
You keep obsessing about Eucharist Miracles but I only have heard of one.
A couple yrs ago, a host turned blood red in MN here. The Church got the sample tested by experts. While they were doing it, bigots like you hammered them ...they trashed the Church for weeks on the MPLS newspapers website. They sounded exactly like you Free.
The funny thing is, the CC here, never once claimed anything about the host. In fact, they cast doubt on it right away and urged people not to buy into it. Then the testing came back and it proved to be a natural yeast thing.
Of course, bigots like you posted the next day,'CC proven to be frauds about the Eucharistic miracle they claimed'..Wow. What?
That's what they deal with.
Your rationalization gets more and more absurd.

Instead of staying on a board whose title demeans 99% of America's Founders, why not go to Catholic board and discuss faith?

But since you insist on supporting this attack on America, I will respond.

Today, you only know of one Eucharist miracle??? Funny, because a few weeks ago, you knew about many.

http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a...

Lanciano, Italy -- 8th century A.D. Even tested by the RCC and surprise! It's human heart tissue.

As for your knowledge of DNA, nice try, but shabby rationalization.

You KNOW what I say is 100% true, so you are forced to make up lies -- just like your RCC teaches you.

So much for those "perfect moral teachings."

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Now wipe the egg off your face, go away, and please stop attacking America and our Founders.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#412795 Jan 2, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"
Oh please...this is your "scholarly" evidence?
What a chump.
Virgin's message:
Have complete trust in me. Love this Heavenly Mother wholeheartedly and seek refuge in her Heart. I am the shortcut to Jesus and the Helper in His Redemptive Work.
**********
So the 'virgin' commands to be loved, and declares herself a "shortcut to Jesus, and the helper in His Redemptive work?
KayMarie
Never heard of the Blessed Virgin being a "shortcut" to Jesus.

Hey Kay, would you like to know what the Catholic Church teaches or would you rather find random comments made by Catholics on the internet in order to antagonize? You know two can play that game.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#412796 Jan 2, 2013
who="Pad" WELL it is about time,you shared something I could get a clearer understanding of here,especially on such an important subject as this.What a difference in understanding.Here so many see the elements as being transformed,when in truth they are substance made the Body and Blood,not done by the priest,but at consecration,the Lord does it Himself. Does not affect the senses. Very good illustration when Bonocore describes the similarity in what happens to us when we become new creations in Christ.
"in Christ we are made into a new creation." Now clearly, this does not apply to our form-our physical properties, since, we don't look different, and the world does not see any obvious physical change in a person when he or she becomes a believer in Christ. However, according to the Words of the Scripture, we know a metaphysical change has taken place,---that the former sinner has been recreated in the image and likeness of Jesus, and is now a new creation. ERGO, the metaphysical substance has changed. Truly,wholly,entirely, and substanialy. AND this all we believe when it comes to the nature of the Lord's Supper the Eucharist." Mark Bonocore.
"Metaphysical refers to a God-created reality that transcends the physical."
Ireneaus 180 AD. Puts it very clear and I appreciate his statement:
"For just as the Bread which comes from the earth, having received the invocation of God, is no longer ordinary bread,but the Eucharist,consisting of two realities, earthly and h e a v e n l y so our bodies, having received the Eucharist,are no longer corruptible, because they have the hope of the resurrection."
I might add here my own opinion on the result of such as Irenaeus quotes,it is terrible if we are unworthy or rather unwashed in the Word,unrepentant and living in sin,when we receive such.I find this to be a fallacy in the RCC as so many Catholics parade up front to receive the Eucharist,but many have no clue as to the measure by which they should be repentant and washed clean in the Blood of Christ before they partake.
I have seen in Italian churches members of the MOB,go freely up to the altar to receive the Eucharist,and return to their dasterly deeds on Monday."To their own destruction,and the priest knows who they are.Much hypocrisy in the political/religious observance of many Catholics who freely go to Communion.I am mostly Italian Anthony,and was raised in a n area of Jersey where there were lots of Mafioso types,who went to Mass regularly,receiving the Eucharist.
Thank you for sharing the discourse between Mark Bonocore and Dan Hickling.
"That Christ's true Body and Blood are present in the Sacrament can be perceived neither by SENSE nor by REASON, but by f a i t h alone, which rests on God's authority.In the text,'This is My Body which is given for you,' Cyril comments(Jerusalem 360AD)'That we must not doubt that this is True, but must take the Savior's word on faith; He is truth and does not lie."(Thomas Aquinas 13thcentury defined Transubstantiation, in disputations XXVll de Veritate 4,336, Corpus Christi, Beviary Lessons.)
Again thank you Anthony.

**********

That argument sounds logical, but it fails to meet the test. The elements of communion ARE NOT changed in appearance.

BUT the sinner, truly converted IS changed in appearance. Their faces are no longer marked by the weight of sin...you can see it in their face. Their old ways are changed. You can see the difference on the outside, as well as on the inside.

KayMarie
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#412797 Jan 2, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>WELL it is about time,you shared something I could get a clearer understanding of here,especially on such an important subject as this.What a difference in understanding.Here so many see the elements as being transformed,when in truth they are substance made the Body and Blood,not done by the priest,but at consecration,the Lord does it Himself. Does not affect the senses. Very good illustration when Bonocore describes the similarity in what happens to us when we become new creations in Christ.
"in Christ we are made into a new creation." Now clearly, this does not apply to our form-our physical properties, since, we don't look different, and the world does not see any obvious physical change in a person when he or she becomes a believer in Christ. However, according to the Words of the Scripture, we know a metaphysical change has taken place,---that the former sinner has been recreated in the image and likeness of Jesus, and is now a new creation. ERGO, the metaphysical substance has changed. Truly,wholly,entirely, and substanialy. AND this all we believe when it comes to the nature of the Lord's Supper the Eucharist." Mark Bonocore.
"Metaphysical refers to a God-created reality that transcends the physical."
Ireneaus 180 AD. Puts it very clear and I appreciate his statement:
"For just as the Bread which comes from the earth, having received the invocation of God, is no longer ordinary bread,but the Eucharist,consisting of two realities, earthly and h e a v e n l y so our bodies, having received the Eucharist,are no longer corruptible, because they have the hope of the resurrection."
I might add here my own opinion on the result of such as Irenaeus quotes,it is terrible if we are unworthy or rather unwashed in the Word,unrepentant and living in sin,when we receive such.I find this to be a fallacy in the RCC as so many Catholics parade up front to receive the Eucharist,but many have no clue as to the measure by which they should be repentant and washed clean in the Blood of Christ before they partake.
I have seen in Italian churches members of the MOB,go freely up to the altar to receive the Eucharist,and return to their dasterly deeds on Monday."To their own destruction,and the priest knows who they are.Much hypocrisy in the political/religious observance of many Catholics who freely go to Communion.I am mostly Italian Anthony,and was raised in a n area of Jersey where there were lots of Mafioso types,who went to Mass regularly,receiving the Eucharist.
Thank you for sharing the discourse between Mark Bonocore and Dan Hickling.
"That Christ's true Body and Blood are present in the Sacrament can be perceived neither by SENSE nor by REASON, but by f a i t h alone, which rests on God's authority.In the text,'This is My Body which is given for you,' Cyril comments(Jerusalem 360AD)'That we must not doubt that this is True, but must take the Savior's word on faith; He is truth and does not lie."(Thomas Aquinas 13thcentury defined Transubstantiation, in disputations XXVll de Veritate 4,336, Corpus Christi, Beviary Lessons.)
Again thank you Anthony.
More help here;

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4064.htm#artic...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#412798 Jan 2, 2013
who="Anthony MN"
Never heard of the Blessed Virgin being a "shortcut" to Jesus.
Hey Kay, would you like to know what the Catholic Church teaches or would you rather find random comments made by Catholics on the internet in order to antagonize? You know two can play that game.

**********

Try this one, Anthony. Sounds Catholic to me.

I'm not playing a game. Are you?

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#412799 Jan 2, 2013
Sorry...I forgot to list the site:

http://www.marys-touch.com/introduction/mirac ...

KM

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