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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 699422 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Chuck

Dublin, OH

#413000 Jan 3, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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The man is addicted to alcohol. He will never be able to drink again. He is an alcoholic.
Why are you enabling him? It could lead to his destruction. Everyday he must choose not to drink. You are telling him it's all right because he's not an alcoholic. It is you who are crushing him, not I.
So Christ did not take alcohol away from me 14 years ago...I'm still an alcoholic...huh

I thought the power of Christ was enough...Regina says no. It is no longer I who lives but Christ lives through me and that is why it is no longer a struggle.

Leave it all at the cross Regina. When we try to do things on our own we'll fail everytime.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#413001 Jan 3, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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"We need concrete acts to counteract habits. Because our sorrow for sin is sometimes imperfect (though adequate), we do penance. Because Christ joins our penances to His own perfect act of satisfaction for our sins and offers them for us to the Father, we do penances. Because we receive something, yes, ineffable, through no merit of our own we do penances in reparation for our faults and in gratitude for the pardon we have been given."
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2011/09/quaeritur-am-i...
ReginaM
Peace

I consider devotions as an act of reparation and part of piety....

It would seem there is a wide overlap between penance and devotions. Where I think once devotions were not popular, they seem to be on the rise. Our diocese emphasized the Angelus for this past Advent season.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#413002 Jan 3, 2013
Clay wrote:
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There are other factors then just seeing someone drink a beer..
Is one of the factors a child seeing an adult drink a beer having a good time and say to themselves , that looks fun I may try that.

you people are blind

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#413003 Jan 3, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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The man is addicted to alcohol. He will never be able to drink again. He is an alcoholic.
Why are you enabling him? It could lead to his destruction. Everyday he must choose not to drink. You are telling him it's all right because he's not an alcoholic. It is you who are crushing him, not I.
Seems he has been 'choosing not to drink' for some time. You tell him that his is a hopeless case.
Michael

Canada

#413004 Jan 3, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Its nice that we have the free will to disagree with each other,ask yourself the question Michael,What would the Pope have need in his way of life with the gold you claim he is evaluating?
I find your comment lacking reality.Pope Benedict I highly doubt is in it for power and money.He can't spend it anyway,nor does he have the full power to rule over anything personally,as he must share all with the Cardinals and Bishops,of which there are thousands of them world-wide,so how is he in lust and greed for power and money?
I do not believe this pope or the previous one were or are greedy for materialism.Look at their age besides,and the fraility of their person,not hardly an opportunity to enjoy massive possession of wealth,nor able to laud over people with unrealistic bents on power.
Come on Michael,you are more likely to end up bound to greed and lust for power than they are.
...Every dollar around the world that catholics put into the collection baskets a small amount is siphoned off and sent to the vatican (POPE) and is called Peters Pence.

Why would this need to be done when I have shown you the BILLIONS the vatican already has invested around the world?

During the past 10 years at least 8 roman catholic dioceses in AMERICA have filed bankruptcy.

http://ncronline.org/news/accountability/milw...

GOOGLE catholic church bankruptcy..........learn all about the financial hardships of the catholic churches of america.

Each diocese is an entity of their own. Dioceses don't help each other,(not like unions do) and no financial help comes at all from the vatican. YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN!

Isn't that nice?

Money only flows INTO the vatican bank, it doesn't go out to help any churches in financial need.

Are you OK with that? UNBELIEVABLE!
Pad

Fishers, IN

#413005 Jan 3, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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I worked in one also, Dan. Everyone who drinks does not become an alcoholic. I'm afraid Chuck is misinformed. He is and always will be an alcoholic. He prefers to believe what makes him feel better, than what actually is. That's dangerous for one who has such a problem.
Very true,the body's chemical dependence weighs in big here.But also Regina,the abuse of drinking is more often the case,than whether or not a person has alcoholic symptoms in their chemical physiology.Many develop alcoholism because of abusing it to begin with.The physiology of our body can only take so much of the substance before the liver and pancreas especially adequately filters out the toxins that come from the substance.

I agree with you of course! I don't know whether Chuck is trying to pinpoint substance abuse to a general public,or Catholics. Subsequently all societies and groups are guilty of some form of abusive behavior with:drugs,alcohol,tobacco and whatever else enslaves our physical body from abuse thereof.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#413006 Jan 3, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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No.
Your premise is illogical. It's a straw man.
lol....you must booze it up in front of your kids.
Michael

Canada

#413007 Jan 3, 2013
At least 8 Roman Catholic dioceses in AMERICA have filed for bankruptcy during the past 10 years.

http://ncronline.org/news/accountability/milw...

Where is the help from the wealthy vatican bank?

Where is the help from other dioceses?

You are on your own.

So much for brotherly love.
Michael

Canada

#413008 Jan 3, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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That works out to $10 per month for every child-rape that he cover-up..
The RCC couldn't pay me enough. I prefer to protect young boys from the likes of Law and his crew.
Cardinal Law created a huge mess in his own diocese of Boston. Cost the followers millions, and the agony and pain felt by victims and their families and what does the pope do?

....... Moves him to Rome, gives Cardinal Law a Plum position with $120,000 salary and benefits a year, and all is forgotten about the victims and their broken families back in america.

Your catholic church at work!

UNBELIEVABLE!

Pad

Fishers, IN

#413009 Jan 3, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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So Christ did not take alcohol away from me 14 years ago...I'm still an alcoholic...huh
I thought the power of Christ was enough...Regina says no. It is no longer I who lives but Christ lives through me and that is why it is no longer a struggle.
Leave it all at the cross Regina. When we try to do things on our own we'll fail everytime.
Without Christ we can do nothing.It is often the fact that so many people see the revolving door,as we have seen in working with alcoholics,Regina states as well that she has worked with them.

People who claimed they knew Christ,and were very religious on the surface,going to AA meetings,and often to church,but still were continued offenders finding themselves in the centers for alcoholism abuse.We saw all of that,and not saying that eventually the individual did not finally find Christ sufficient for inner healing and a whole recovery,but that often it seemed they were not serious enough with Jesus to allow Him to do His wonderous work of redemption and healing in their lives.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#413010 Jan 3, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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Seems he has been 'choosing not to drink' for some time. You tell him that his is a hopeless case.
~~~

She is only telling him there is no hope for him... because she knows that in her own religion there is no not hope..promised. only a dead end street.

playing a game game but no goal in mind.

Those that are hopeless can give no hope to others...
Michael

Canada

#413011 Jan 3, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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~~~
Jesus did not serve fomented wine in the upper Room..
FACT IS HE DID NOT CALL IT WINE
His words were
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mat 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this -->fruit of the vine,<<---
until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
The blood of grapes was symbolic of the Blood of Jesus.
NOTE
WHAT JESUS SAID WAS RECORDED IN THREE OF THE FOUR GOSPELS
Mat_26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this -->fruit of the vine,<-- until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Mar_14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the
--> fruit of the vine,<--- until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Luk_22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of -->the fruit of the vine,<-- until the kingdom of God shall come.
==>JESUS REFERRED TO HIMSELF AS THE VINE IN
Joh_15:4 ==> Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
AND HE MADE IT MORE SPECIFIC IN..SAID HE IS THE VINE..
Joh_15:5 ==>I am the vine, ye are the branches:<== He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit:
for without me ye can do nothing.
So what you are saying is that ANTHONY is WRONG! Jesus did NOT approve of drinking alcohol.

I knewww it!

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#413013 Jan 3, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Which jesus quote is correct?
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
TBS

It is not an either/or for correctness. between Matt5:17-19, and John 8:24-36

The O.T. laws of the Covenant between God and Israel, were for the nation called Israel, amongst the nations. These laws were a forerunner of the the much harder laws of the N.T. Covenant between God and All People.

Jesus didn't change the O.T. laws, he observed them perfectly as a Jew, thus fulfilled them. Christians do not endorse breaking the O.T. laws for the Jews. But in fact use the moral laws of the O.T., as Jesus endorsed these for the N.T. Laws with the addition of Love God and Love One Another....

One aspect you might consider is the meaning of sin in the O.T., is different than that of the N.T.(Quick hint: OT sin was going against the established order, while NT sin is a moral evil).
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#413014 Jan 3, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Without Christ we can do nothing.It is often the fact that so many people see the revolving door,as we have seen in working with alcoholics,Regina states as well that she has worked with them.
People who claimed they knew Christ,and were very religious on the surface,going to AA meetings,and often to church,but still were continued offenders finding themselves in the centers for alcoholism abuse.We saw all of that,and not saying that eventually the individual did not finally find Christ sufficient for inner healing and a whole recovery,but that often it seemed they were not serious enough with Jesus to allow Him to do His wonderous work of redemption and healing in their lives.
People who drink in front of children have no clue of the risk they are taking. Look at teenage drinking in this country. I know there are different circumstances for teens to start drinking but alot is from seeing it in their own families.

truly sad...
LTM

Longlac, Canada

#413015 Jan 3, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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I worked in one also, Dan. Everyone who drinks does not become an alcoholic. I'm afraid Chuck is misinformed. He is and always will be an alcoholic. He prefers to believe what makes him feel better, than what actually is. That's dangerous for one who has such a problem.
And you underestimate the power of God Regina, where the spirit of the Lord is there is freedom. Those who are free in Jesus is free indeed.
Those who never had a drink before could become and alcoholic from taking just one glass of beer.
Stop telling Chuck what he is, and start telling him what Jesus said he is in Christ Jesus.
Born again means, "OLD THINGS PAST AWAY AND EVERYTHING BECOMES BRAND NEW".
Pad

Fishers, IN

#413016 Jan 3, 2013
Michael wrote:
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...Every dollar around the world that catholics put into the collection baskets a small amount is siphoned off and sent to the vatican (POPE) and is called Peters Pence.
Why would this need to be done when I have shown you the BILLIONS the vatican already has invested around the world?
During the past 10 years at least 8 roman catholic dioceses in AMERICA have filed bankruptcy.
http://ncronline.org/news/accountability/milw...
GOOGLE catholic church bankruptcy..........learn all about the financial hardships of the catholic churches of america.
Each diocese is an entity of their own. Dioceses don't help each other,(not like unions do) and no financial help comes at all from the vatican. YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN!
Isn't that nice?
Money only flows INTO the vatican bank, it doesn't go out to help any churches in financial need.
Are you OK with that? UNBELIEVABLE!
No, of course not. The wider picture you bring out,but the focus on the Pope himself as the instigator of that perpetual siphoning into the coffers of the Vatican is wrong,he is a subject to,just as every Catholic who serves the RCC.It seems that similar opinions could be said of all the affiliations.

The Vatican is financially solvent to many sources who view it,but I wonder often that maybe things are not so strong in that way,as many assests cannot be broken down to aid as you say the local parish.And to my knowledge over the years,I have seen priests and parishes,to the local church on so and so street,a saving financial boost from the Vatican that brought them out of the red.

The Scandal of you know what,brought many parishes to their knees.and it is unlikely that the RCC as a whole will be able to pay every victim the millions many have already received bankrupting parishes. No doubt much of the money you seem to think just that local church is forking over,is in truth coming from the Vatican or the whole diocese as well in a particular state,region or province.

We do not know the extent of how the Diocese works ,and the local parish priest often has to ask the Diocese for help,and they give it,but the local priest has to be able to pay his own bills as well.Prot and evangelical churches often have financial distresses,and they do get help from many sources,but basically are quite autonomous.Each Assembly here in my city must fend for themselves,we never hear of the Assembly of God on the other side of our city giving money to ours to pay their bills,and vice versa.
ReginaM

Lakehurst, NJ

#413017 Jan 3, 2013
Pad wrote:
Continued: Regina Born-Again.
Bishop Sheen often alluded to that awakening in the soul in his teachings,whether he limited it to a n infant baptism initiation of sorts,I am not aware,but he knew personally what it was to be born again,and I doubt that he would allude to it if every Catholic was convinced in their soul that such awakened them as well.
It is not an experience that isolates to Protestant or Catholic or Orthodoxy,but to the soul which is called by God to KNOW His Son.Repentance is required,and a believing,and faith,but the Spirit brings about the rebirth,and it is not physical,nor emeshed in the flesh,but Spiritual life,and the beginning of the Eternal life with Christ.
Does it require discipline in KEEPING it stirred up and alive,YES,and most of all it needs the Baptism of fire from the Holy Spirit,later to bring the same soul to the needed MATURITY,God calls us to to serve Him.He does not send a Baby t o do a Man's or woman's work.
Regina,the born-again life requires us to enter into HIM,and that is a life of Jesus,living,Jesus'suffering,J esus crucified,Jesus Died,and finally Jesus resurrected,and IN HIM we live and have our being.NOT possible without being born-again.
Trash the idea that it is some Protestant concoction,it is not,it is the beginning of the rest of your life in Christ.
Dan, what you described is a conversion...and I thank you for sharing it, it's lovely.

Conversion is not a one time event. We must essentially go through that conversion process every day. Each morning we awake to the world, and it is good as God proclaimed it in Genesis. And each day we have the free will to follow Him or reject Him. Each day we must be converted to Him. But that is not being 'born again' as set out in the NT. I know Anthony has given you links to some good materials so I hesitate to overload you, but I like this article:
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apo...

If you're really interested, maybe you can print these things out and read them at your leisure.

Again, I appreciate your explanation and sharing your conversion story. There is more rejoicing in heaven over one repentant sinner...

In Jesus, Mary and Joseph,
Regina

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#413018 Jan 3, 2013
Michael wrote:
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So what you are saying is that ANTHONY is WRONG! Jesus did NOT approve of drinking alcohol.
I knewww it!
Concerning drinking wine ...

Paul wrote...

Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Pad

Fishers, IN

#413019 Jan 3, 2013
Such nice chats,got to go,ENJOY each family,love your children,and be honest before God,Good bye!!!!!!!
LTM

Longlac, Canada

#413020 Jan 3, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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People who drink in front of children have no clue of the risk they are taking. Look at teenage drinking in this country. I know there are different circumstances for teens to start drinking but alot is from seeing it in their own families.
truly sad...
You are right Chuck, it is for this very reason booze of any kind is not allowed in my home.
I am very happy that Jesus freed you from it, I had 2 very bad addictions myself one to bingo, and smoking, I am pleased to say I have been feed from both of them for some time now, about as long as God delivered you from drinking.
I have no cravings at all for smoking or gambling.
God Bless Chuck ,.

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