Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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"I'll tell you what. You give me chapter and verse that says the books of the New Testament are all that's revealed about Jesus and His teaching.
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Why don't you tell us what you know about Jesus and His teachings APART from the scriptures. And perhaps you might at least act like a christian and cease with the childish name calling.
We get a glimpse of Marian dogma thru scriptures. But its not explicitly defined.
We get a glimpse of the Papacy thru scriptures too.
The Holy Mass with the Eucharist as the center and climax was practiced from the earliest possible moments of Christianity.
But the Mass is not explicitly spelled out from scripture. The Eucharist is.
So what, you deny it all anyway.
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Communion for us brings out the reality of what Jesus suffered as the L a m b,His submission.When we partake of bread and the juice(wine as in the Scriptures),we consider the humanity of Christ,His flesh and blood,first of all respecting totally His reality as the Incarnate Christ,who IS MAN through the Virgin Birth.
Jesus did not die on the Cross basically as God,but as Man,as a sacrifice replacing the Lamb(animal sacrifice).If we see Jesus dying as God,we fail to see the magnitude of His humanity,and becoming sin for us.The Lamb became the sin offering for the Jewish people,as a holy appeasement before the Living God.Nothing was more precious in the sight of God than the Jewish sacrifice of the Lamb every passover.God's whole and dignified wrath against a rebellious people was held back,by that innocent and precious lamb offered every year.
Jesus being that substitute for the L a m b,was really unknown to the Jewish people,that is they did not sacrifice Jesus with the knowledge of what He was before His Father.The Jews did not see the killing or crucifixion of Christ as a sacrifice.But in the sight of the Father HE was a holy and innocent and complete sacrifice,the FINAL one,never to be repeated again by Jesus,HE said "IT is Finished""It is accomplished" "It is Completed".
That mystery is first for the JEW,than the gentile.It is for the Jew to understand why God chose His only begotten Son to lay down His life freely for the most greatest detriment to human kind S I N. Continued:
Why does the Apostle John call Jesus the Lamb of God?

Why did Jesus say "unless you eat the flesh of The Son of Man (the Lamb of God) you have no life in you"?

When people heard what Christ said, and walked away. Why didn't Jesus say "wait, its just a symbol".

Why did Jesus hold up the bread and say, "this IS my body"?

Why did Jesus say "for my flesh is real food indeed"?

Why did Ignatius of Antioch - disciple of the Apostle John say "Take note to those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ who has come to us.. see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God... they abstain from The Eucharist because they do not confess that it is the flesh of Our Lord Jesus Christ."

Did the Apostle John teach Ignatius wrong?

The problem with you guys, is you sound down right wicked going against the Apostles.
You know not what you do.
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Amen Amen Praise The Lord.
What does the Apostle Paul mean ..when he says to hold steadfast to the traditions you were taught by word of mouth?
What traditions? By word of mouth, not written down??
Don't you think LTM, you ought to find out what the Apostle Paul is commanding?

hint: The Holy Mass and the Eucharist.
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Does the 'bread' of the eucharist look like bread, or does it look like flesh? Does the 'bread' of the
eucharist feel like bread, or does it feel like flesh? Does the 'bread' taste like bread or does it taste like flesh? If the bread of the eucharist were left out would it rot, or is it incorruptible?
What of the 'wine'? Does it look like wine, or does it chage appearence to look like blood? Does it still smell like wine? Does it taste like wine? Does it not taste like wine? If you were to consume to much would it intoxicate?
And yet you want to lay aside ALL evidence and reality to believe the unbiblical principle taught by your 'church'.
Never in all of the bible did Jesus perform a miracle in which there was not positive evidence that a miracle had taken place. Why does the RCC teach that this is an exception?
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck and feels like a duck and tastes like a duck, it is most assuredly a duck.
As the L a m b is the most precious and simple,unassuming,delicate,and tender of God's creatures in the animal kingdom,so BREAD and WINE are the most basic,and natural of substances to the human body.With wine excess has to be the harming result to its usage,and if one eats too much bread they would want to vomit.

But as a simple partaking of both elements we find that bread and wine signify the most simple of ingredients to human life and consumption.

Jesus offered both to represent His body and blood,which was to be sacrificed in the company of cruel and vicious men.No words can describe the holiness of what God allowed in offering up His Son to the whole world in the presence of angry evil men.

It all centers on the PERSON of Jesus,who lived His life leading a small group of 12 men to show them the Kingdom of His Father.

It ends with the relgious system of the Jews partnering with their conquerers the Romans to destroy Jesus.

The Last Supper brings for us the simplicity of a group of righteous men gathering together to share a holy feast with the most simplest and basic of foods,nothing spectacular,no killed animal cooked with sauces and so on.But bitter erbs,spices,and the bread and the wine.

Jesus in the Communion He had with His Apostles that night,shared what would become the most vulnerable and tenderest of men Himself. Bread and wine in simplicity was shared to represent his body and blood,but the significance was to be placed in the Lamb slaughtered in Passover,and that JESUS Himself was that Lamb.No passover lamb would be acceptable that year.He died in place of the Lamb,although one was offered anyway by the traditional Jews.

It is almost impossible for any of us no matter the persuasion to comprehend how Jesus through offering His bread and wine to the Apostles used that as the substitute for His own body and blood. It is quite obvious that the Apostles did not know what He was doing.

But it took the Spirit of God to reveal such to them,and we need that same revelation today.4-gvn,I basically understand both our communion and that of the Transubstantiation of the RCC,but I also believe that we need to focus more on the Person who laid down His life.Physical and spiritual realities mean little if we do not appreciate why Christ offered Himself,and the Power of His Cross in our lives.

The whole church or body of Christ needs a Baptism in the Holy Spirit to understand and come to more realities about His Suffering,crucifixion,death and resurrection.But for now we have the most profound simplicity in the elements of bread and wine to bring us to the reality of His body and blood.
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<quoted text>"All have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Anytime,Christians sin we bring shame to the Cross of Christ,as we continue to rebel against His provision for us to His Victory over sin and death.I state this Free Mind,because many are the sins of all affiliations in Christianity,and you could say we all make Jesus look like a buffoon.
No doubt that child molestation is so grevious,and a physical assault on the most vulnerable should require incarceration,not just a slap on the hand,and or a transfer to another church or parish.
I have talked with Christians from many types of evangelical churches and asked them what they do when a pedophile is discovered in their midst.Very rarely is that person kept in the denomination or just transferred.Most of the time the police are allowed to enter into the situation,the person is arrested.That is how the authorities find out,from the church itself.Sad but the people realize that once a child is violated,there is no turning back or hiding the perpetrator from his being punished for his c r i m e.
We do not deny that pastors and other church workers have been predators in the various crimes of such,the pain and shame is so bad that we realize it is better to face the situation,and Let God be judge.No one wants to see a pastor or church worker arrested,tried and put in prison,but when they violate a child they deserve it.
I agree that a Cover up in any case is terrible,but I also understand the magnitude of trouble when one church system in particular has to deal with many perpetrators,not just a few.No doubt that a given Bishop knows that complaints are throughout his parish,not just one church,or one priest.Not of course that cover-up or transfer is an option.Many Bishops must feel that they must keep the pandora's box closed when dealing with one case at a time.
I understand your continuing to bring up the scandal,we all want to get Catholics to realize that the scandal is a deep flaw within the whole Catholic Church system.It is a chasm of an unfilled void in the Catholic Church that its people are not willing to confront head on.
The present pope is doing something which is better than nothing.But I believe that it is a deep flaw and something that speaks against the celibate hiearchy of the RCC.All through history the celibacy of the Roman Church has had pedophilia as a grave sin within their ranks.It is not just in this century!
The long-term institutional cover-up is understandable..... because it confirms that Jesus does NOT GUIDE this church in any special manner as to morals.

The irony is that the institutional cover-up tells us more than the individual sins combined.
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The institutional cover-up tells us more about the RCC's one-true claim -- than the all the individual sins combined.

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Pad wrote:
Sacrifice is what God basically did
Basically did or did? Again, you cannot sacrifice something that you do not have to sacrifice. jesus knew that he could not die or even if he did, he would get his life back in 3 days. That is not a sacrifice.
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But we know that
No, you believe that...
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God the Father sacrificed His Son,instead of accepting the usual lamb in the yearly Passover.
Think about that. No, really think about it. First, why would a god require that an animal die for a human's sins?

Second, what happened to the animal after it was killed? Who got to eat the meat?

Start thinking!! I know you can do it.

The high priests who told you that you had to bring the very best of your stock, also got to....
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God wanted through His Son to END once and for all animal sacrifices for sin.
Again, why the animal? The animals did nothing to your god, yet he wiped them out in a flood and made the jews kill them to pay for their sins.
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Since sin is so intertwined in human life and development,
That is what you are programmed to believe. Jump out of that program and think.
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God knew that the only way to finally deal a death blow to the outcome of the destructive elements of sin,was to literally enter the scene Himself in Christ.
OK, let's go through this again. Your god is perfect, right? Yet he admitted to making a mistake when he created man; so he wiped out all living creatures that could not swim for a year or so at a time. Again, animals have done nothing wrong.{We'll talk about Adam and Eve next.}
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I am skipping the rest for now. You need to sit down and think about this.

First, why would a god require that an animal die for a human's sins?

Second, what happened to the animal after it was killed? Who got to eat the meat?

Start thinking!! I know you can do it.
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Clay wrote:
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We get a glimpse of Marian dogma thru scriptures. But its not explicitly defined.
We get a glimpse of the Papacy thru scriptures too.
The Holy Mass with the Eucharist as the center and climax was practiced from the earliest possible moments of Christianity.
But the Mass is not explicitly spelled out from scripture. The Eucharist is.
So what, you deny it all anyway.
Prove it. Show the world DNA tests on your heart tissue!

The RCC foolishly claims and maintains Jesus "approved miracle" heart tissue from different eras.

Your claim is nonsense and the RCC knows it. The RCC possesses the means to prove with DNA -- but it knows better.

So rant away with empty words. All talk, zero walk.

This is commonly called fraud. The one-true claim is BUSTED.
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Why does the Apostle John call Jesus the Lamb of God?
Why did Jesus say "unless you eat the flesh of The Son of Man (the Lamb of God) you have no life in you"?
When people heard what Christ said, and walked away. Why didn't Jesus say "wait, its just a symbol".
Why did Jesus hold up the bread and say, "this IS my body"?
Why did Jesus say "for my flesh is real food indeed"?
Why did Ignatius of Antioch - disciple of the Apostle John say "Take note to those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ who has come to us.. see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God... they abstain from The Eucharist because they do not confess that it is the flesh of Our Lord Jesus Christ."
Did the Apostle John teach Ignatius wrong?
The problem with you guys, is you sound down right wicked going against the Apostles.
You know not what you do.
John 6 is not for us Gentiles to form any conclusion about the event of Christ on calvary.It was for the Jews as a prophecy of what they were going to do with JESUS. Jesus was to become the Lamb of God,replacing that Lamb which the traditional Jews would soon slaughter on the altar in the Temple for the Passover.

You seem to think that it is all about transubstantiation.Well it is quite the opposite,it is all about JESUS and His relating to JEWS,both the disciples and the traditional (including Pharisees) about what was soon to happen.He knew they would be troubled at what He said,but most of all He laid out for them His people,what the MAN Christ Jesus would become as the final Lamb brought to the slaughter.Literally His flesh and blood would be consumed by the death,but that it was significant for the JEWS since they sacrificed yearly a LAMB,and later the priests and their assistants would eat the Lamb,burned after it was sacrificed. Even though they did not drink or eat the blood,it was still shed for them and their sins.

Jesus sought to shock them no doubt,and He also stated FACTS from Heaven which were not received.If those JEWS could not receive it,than why do you expect us to receive the teaching that He was offering the doctrine of Transubstantiation to them? You like your church continue to take the Word and expect it all to come to the Roman Catholic conclusion.When the Word was written by Jews and for Jews,and ultimately the gentile world.Jesus was crucified and we all know He was the Lamb of God,so why should we come to the conclusion that transubstantiation is the meaning,when Jesus became Sin for us,and took literally the place of the Lamb?

There is a big difference between the prophecy of Jesus to His people in John chapter 6 and the teaching of transubstantiation as taught by your church.
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Simple fact -- the New World.

RCC-dominated societies are poorer, dumber, and more violent.

So much for the RCC's "perfect teachings."
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OK, if you want to say that he suffered! That is totally different from sacrificing his life! You cannot sacrifice a life that cannot be taken, now can you?
you may have over looked...

http://bible.cc/john/10-18.htm

Questions?

http://avemariaradio.net/catholic-online-radi...
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The institutional cover-up tells us more about the RCC's one-true claim -- than the all the individual sins combined.
BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!
JESUS does guide individuals,and that should be the argument with the RCC.Because they beleive that this church has a body and a mind which seems to be absent of the individuals who comprise of it. Th Ekklesia can only be of what it is filled with.If a church or group of Christians begin to follow Christ and live according to His Word,they will sekk to be fille with His Spirit.If they go their own way and fall prey to lets say an individual who wants to control the flock as it were for his own purposes,than they stand to lose their ekklesia for the sake of their new head,rather than to be led by CHRIST.

This is basic and can be seen throughout history.There were those who led the body of Christ with love and passion and truth,and there were those who went astray,it is in the Epistles.Paul and Peter warned of it in their day.

How do the Catholics think that they are exempt of the wolves and false apostles,that Paul and Peter warned about in the Scriptures.

Sorry but what is true in the first church is true today,we either have His Word,follow it,seek to humble ourselves all of us from top to bottom, or become victims to wolves who are in the sheep's clothing as it were.It takes prayer,and fastings and a walk with Christ that can only be measured by the WORD.So much is in Catholicism that is not in the Word,that they wonder why we stay clear of them,and their Inquisitions and political intrigues through the centuries,which they claim is just some of their members,but those very things have influenced that organization for centuries.

So that is why we have what seems to be to them chaos,but yet it is survival from being consumed by the political aspirations of a huge religious organization.Oh now it sounds like us,but just 50 years ago,we would not recognize it for what it is today.God can use them,and He will to reach many,but He uses us as well,and in the end what is of Christ will Last all else will be burned to dross.Jesus alluded to that in SCRIPTURE,men's ways and doings will be tried as by fire to see which will survive and last to His End.

The fruit of the labor of all Christians is to be subject to the fires of persecution and the destructive purposes of human kind,and what will last is that which is rooted in the love of Christ,by His grace,and through the Power of the Holy Spirit.
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What does the Apostle Paul mean ..when he says to hold steadfast to the traditions you were taught by word of mouth?
What traditions? By word of mouth, not written down??
Don't you think LTM, you ought to find out what the Apostle Paul is commanding?
hint: The Holy Mass and the Eucharist.
come on Clay, I showed you one example of what Paul was talking to Timothy about concerning traditions, and YOU KNOW they have NOTHING to do with catholicism.

so no! those traditions had nothing to do with any mass or last supper.

why in the World could you or any other catholic think that the jewish people(Paul and Timothy) would celebrate the death of Jesus by partaking in a Memorial Service to Him?

that is the most ludicrous statement that I have ever saw on this Forum, where did you get that info from?
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To hate God's word is but to hate Jesus...
Jesus is the word of God made flesh...
I LOVE THE WORD OF GODM I HATE YOUR IGNORANCE AND MISHANDLING OF HIS WORD.

and I have made that very plain to you the past few years.

NO WONDER THAT YOU HAVE BEEN KICKED OFF OF THIS FORUM SEVERAL TIMES, YOUR IGNORANCE BEHOOVES THEM TO KICK YOU OFF, AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PERMANENT
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<quoted text>John 6 is not for us Gentiles to form any conclusion about the event of Christ on calvary.It was for the Jews as a prophecy of what they were going to do with JESUS. Jesus was to become the Lamb of God,replacing that Lamb which the traditional Jews would soon slaughter on the altar in the Temple for the Passover.
You seem to think that it is all about transubstantiation.Well it is quite the opposite,it is all about JESUS and His relating to JEWS,both the disciples and the traditional (including Pharisees) about what was soon to happen.He knew they would be troubled at what He said,but most of all He laid out for them His people,what the MAN Christ Jesus would become as the final Lamb brought to the slaughter.Literally His flesh and blood would be consumed by the death,but that it was significant for the JEWS since they sacrificed yearly a LAMB,and later the priests and their assistants would eat the Lamb,burned after it was sacrificed. Even though they did not drink or eat the blood,it was still shed for them and their sins.
Jesus sought to shock them no doubt,and He also stated FACTS from Heaven which were not received.If those JEWS could not receive it,than why do you expect us to receive the teaching that He was offering the doctrine of Transubstantiation to them? You like your church continue to take the Word and expect it all to come to the Roman Catholic conclusion.When the Word was written by Jews and for Jews,and ultimately the gentile world.Jesus was crucified and we all know He was the Lamb of God,so why should we come to the conclusion that transubstantiation is the meaning,when Jesus became Sin for us,and took literally the place of the Lamb?
There is a big difference between the prophecy of Jesus to His people in John chapter 6 and the teaching of transubstantiation as taught by your church.
Ok, so you agree Jesus is the Lamb of God. Sacrificed at Calvary.
Was it ok for the Jews at passover to make a symbol of a Lamb? Was it ok for them to substitute a chicken for those who didn't like Lamb? Was it sufficient to put another animals blood or paint outside instead of Lamb?
If Christ is the Lamb of God, then its easy to see the importance of partaking in this meal. To eat it?
But how on Earth are we supposed to eat Jesus?

Well, the Apostles were clear on how this can be done.
Paul: "for I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night he was betrayed took bread, given thanks, broke it and said "this is my body which is for you. Do THIS in remembrance of me".. in a similar way, he took the chalice, after supper saying "this chalice is the new covenant in my blood, do THIS as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me"
For as often as you eat this bread drink this chalice, you proclaim the Lords death until he comes.

Listen carefully at what Paul says next, Pad.

'whoever, therefore, eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, will be guilty of profaning THE BODY AND BLOOD OF OUR LORD.'

Pad, it sure sounds like the Apostle Paul thinks the bread and wine are actually Jesus Christ.
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<quoted text>come on Clay, I showed you one example of what Paul was talking to Timothy about concerning traditions, and YOU KNOW they have NOTHING to do with catholicism.
so no! those traditions had nothing to do with any mass or last supper.
why in the World could you or any other catholic think that the jewish people(Paul and Timothy) would celebrate the death of Jesus by partaking in a Memorial Service to Him?
that is the most ludicrous statement that I have ever saw on this Forum, where did you get that info from?
Then what traditions was Paul talking about?

You think it was Jewish traditions they were teaching? Or Christian traditions?

read 1cor 11:23-30 and tell me Paul isn't instituting some sort of ceremony; a supper... a Mass!

Why did the Church- scattered throughout the known world, ironically have the same Mass when communication resumed in the next century?

Thomas taught in India. Mark in Venice. Matthew in Syria... everyone they taught began practicing the Mass with the understanding the Bread and Wine became the very real being of Jesus Christ.

Hope you had a good Christmas Preston!

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Get real Pad. We cover these changes everyday.
Start with the Holy Eucharist...
The first Protestants denied Christ in the Eucharist.. this was clearly taught by the Apostles and their disciples
Then they added the word 'alone' to Rom 3:28 to invent 'faith alone'.
They removed 7 books from the old testament.. thus siding with the Jews of 100 AD and not Christians of 33 AD.
Then they added Sola scripture, which was unheard of before then. In fact, no evidence shows it was ever taught by Christ nor His Apostles.
But these first Protesters understood the sacred teachings of things like, Mary's ever virginity, water Baptism.
And things used for worship... like statues, paintings and other artwork.
A couple generations after the first Protesters, things really took off. Born agains removed water baptism; said Mary had a bunch of children; said Mary is sleeping in the ground; and everything keeps evolving Pad. It won't stop because you guys don't recognize an authority to stop you!
Your grandkids will practice an entirely different Christianity than you!
When one looks at the chronology of Protestantism, you can easily recognize a military type attack by Satan and his minions. He started with a carefully laid out plan that is still in the works. We can see the hatred forming in so-called Christians on here. We can see the slander and lies they rely on just to teach their faith. It all reeks
of the devil.

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Clay, I believe that you are serious about your faith...but when one is so 'caught up' in their 'church' that other Christians are 'of the devil', something is wrong.

You tell us that you do not worship statues, etc., but here you speak of "things used for worship... like statues, paintings and other artwork."

You say that the RCC respects other faiths...then say that "We can see the hatred forming in so-called Christians on here. We can see the slander and lies they rely on just to teach their faith. It all reeks
of the devil." SO-CALLED 'CHRISTIANS' USING SLANDER AND LIES TO TEACH THEIR FAITH? You say that it (our teaching) ALL REEKS OF THE DEVIL? I don't agree with the RC on some points, but would be the last to say that YOU are of the devil!

The things taught by 'word of mouth', refers to preaching/teaching by the Apostles.(Imagine what will be taught from the Da Vinci Code! Some are already speaking of it as 'gospel'.)

You are trusting in the word of men, who say that other men's words are more important than the writings of the Apostle's.

Seriously, ask the Living Christ to reveal Himself to you. You will never regret it.

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<quoted text>I LOVE THE WORD OF GODM I HATE YOUR IGNORANCE AND MISHANDLING OF HIS WORD.
and I have made that very plain to you the past few years.
NO WONDER THAT YOU HAVE BEEN KICKED OFF OF THIS FORUM SEVERAL TIMES, YOUR IGNORANCE BEHOOVES THEM TO KICK YOU OFF, AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PERMANENT


Your the only one who feels this way.


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Clay wrote:
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Then what traditions was Paul talking about?
You think it was Jewish traditions they were teaching? Or Christian traditions?
read 1cor 11:23-30 and tell me Paul isn't instituting some sort of ceremony; a supper... a Mass!
Why did the Church- scattered throughout the known world, ironically have the same Mass when communication resumed in the next century?
Thomas taught in India. Mark in Venice. Matthew in Syria... everyone they taught began practicing the Mass with the understanding the Bread and Wine became the very real being of Jesus Christ.
Hope you had a good Christmas Preston!
of course it was Jewish Traditions, timothys family were Greek/Jewish and that was what Paul was speaking to him about. Timothys family were recent converts so they couldnt have had any Christians traditions for him to have remembered. timothys mom and grandmother were both Jewish, therefore it would have taken years to garner any type of traditions.

of course the Lord supper would have been the same no matter where the Disciples traveled to, however it wasnt until years later that YOUR church changed the Order of things.

{Very early on, the Church saw the Mass as a mystical reality in which the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross is renewed. Responding to Protestant sects who denied that the Eucharist is anything more than a memorial, the Council of Trent (1545-63) declared that "The same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross, is present and offered in an unbloody manner" in the Mass.}SEE THAT CLAY, MANY CENTURIES AFTER PAUL DIED.

http://catholicism.about.com/od/worship/p/The... .

HOPE THIS HELPS YOU REALIZE THAT SOMEONE HAS LIED TO YOU
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Your the only one who feels this way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I wouldnt expect you to realize that he teaches falsehoods, that goes along with you being a FALSE PROHET.LOL

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