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You,'christians' cannot even agree on this one simple topic! LOL!
#412597 Jan 1, 2013
#412598 Jan 1, 2013
Notice it says 'eat this BREAD and drink the chalice'. If it looks like a duck......
#412599 Jan 1, 2013
Are Catholics 'Christian?"
#412600 Jan 1, 2013
Yes, the bread is Jesus. Your quacking is the same as the unbelieving Jews and disciples.
47 Amen, amen, I say unto you: He that believes in me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate manna in the desert, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven: that if any man eat of it, he may not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world."
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
53 Then Jesus said to them: "Amen, amen, I say unto you: unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. 54 He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I will raise him up in the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father has sent me and I live by the Father: so he that eats me, the same also shall live by me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers ate manna and are dead. He that eats this bread shall live for ever."
#412601 Jan 1, 2013
God required it to lay down a PATH of righteousness for the many who would die before H I S Son would be crucified for our sins. We all wonder why animals have to die at the hands of human beings and their somewhat barbaric ways they do things.If left to his own devices MAN,would sacrifice human beings to some hideous idol to appease it for mistakes and blunders and so on.DID you forget BlackSheep that many cultures were doing such for centuries before even the Jews came on the scene,and God moved Abraham to do otherwise?
History tells us explicitly that gods were formed into images,and the people sacrificed their children,and other adults to them.God of the Hebrews instead had His people to sacrifice to Him for their sins animals.That may sound stupid,but it was God's way to impress on human beings that their instinct to sacrifice for their sins was innate and had to be addressed by God in some way.
Human beings have always been troubled by bad behavior,and called that behavior sin.JUST today watching the New Year's Day parade,a Buddhist float went down that avenue in CA,ringing bells to eradicate " S I N".And the Buddhists do not even believe in a Supreme Being.Why is it so ingrained in us all about sin.That is where your questions should be risen.
What is the SIN that so besets and causes such consternation in the human psyche?
Sin is the human malady which requires action,that results in trouble,anguish,suffering and ultimately death.Sin is a system of sorts that rules in the hearts of all humans,and many human beings are sincerly disraught over the results of sin and what it does in an individual life,affecting families and so on.
In Christ GOD has the only remedy for sin,not an animal as He required in the past before Christ,but His Son.You do know that the JEWS in ISrael and elsewhere do not sacrifice animals,interestingly,all ceased of sacrifices since the time of Christ,has a lot to do with the rending of the Temple walls and to the very altar that happened from the earthquake when Jesus breathed His last breath.
I have to run BlackSheep.Hope you enjoy this day,with family or whoever you enjoy being with.
Since: Jul 09
#412602 Jan 1, 2013
The name for the burnt offering comes from the Hebrew word holah, "ascending", because, as the animal was wholly consumed in the fire (with the exception of the skin), the smoke would rise toward heaven.
Genesis 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
21 And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
Can you really imagine this? First, Noah and his family could not have eaten all these animals.
Second, really? God, "smelled a sweet savour"? and "and the Lord said in his heart", OK, is god a spirit or does he have a heart and the sense of smell?
Can you imagine a god that would want you to murder an innocent animal for no good reason?
Saint Paul, MN
#412603 Jan 1, 2013
No Catholic would EVER deny that Christ is not present in all of ya.
Remember Pad, its we Catholics who are on the defensive about our faith. People we call our fellow Christians, hate us. They spread propaganda and slander about us.
That is the only reason we are on here.
Your relationship with Jesus Christ is not threatened by Catholicism Pad. God is pure love. He loves the Atheist as equal as the born again. If He didnt, then He wouldn't be God.
However, since theological teachings are put out on the table here...and lots of accusations are flying around, Catholics will stand up and proclaim the truth.
Since: Jul 09
#412604 Jan 1, 2013
Yes and every 'christian' believes that they are truly christian and the others are headed down the wrong path. Sitting on the outside looking in, you are a riot!
Saint Paul, MN
#412605 Jan 1, 2013
Not only did the Apostle Paul believe in the Eucharist....but so did all the first Christians they Baptized.
None of the Apostles ran around handing out letters without explaining there contents.
That's why its really important to look at the first writings of the Apostolic fathers to get a clear sense of what was being taught.
You can't look at the writings 1,800 yrs later and decide for yourself!
Hardly any Protestant would dare venture into the writings of the first generation Christians. This is because Catholicism is completely spelled out in detail. Our teachings are laid out on the table. The title 'Catholic' is even laid out.
Those that do read these first hand accounts of the Apostles teachings usually become Catholic, if they are serious about their faith.
#412606 Jan 1, 2013
1 Cor. 10:16 - Paul asks the question, "the cup of blessing and the bread of which we partake, is it not an actual participation in Christ's body and blood?" Is Paul really asking because He, the divinely inspired writer, does not understand? No, of course not. Paul's questions are obviously rhetorical. This IS the actual body and blood. Further, the Greek word "koinonia" describes an actual, not symbolic participation in the body and blood.
1 Cor. 10:18 - in this verse, Paul is saying we are what we eat. We are not partners with a symbol. We are partners of the one actual body.
1 Cor. 11:23 - Paul does not explain what he has actually received directly from Christ, except in the case when he teaches about the Eucharist. Here, Paul emphasizes the importance of the Eucharist by telling us he received directly from Jesus instructions on the Eucharist which is the source and summit of the Christian faith.
1 Cor. 11:27-29 - in these verses, Paul says that eating or drinking in an unworthy manner is the equivalent of profaning (literally, murdering) the body and blood of the Lord. If this is just a symbol, we cannot be guilty of actually profaning (murdering) it. We cannot murder a symbol. Either Paul, the divinely inspired apostle of God, is imposing an unjust penalty, or the Eucharist is the actual body and blood of Christ.
1 Cor. 11:30 - this verse alludes to the consequences of receiving the Eucharist unworthily. Receiving the actual body and blood of Jesus in mortal sin results in actual physical consequences to our bodies.
1 Cor. 11:27-30 - thus, if we partake of the Eucharist unworthily, we are guilty of literally murdering the body of Christ, and risking physical consequences to our bodies. This is overwhelming evidence for the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. These are unjust penalties if the Eucharist is just a symbol.
#412607 Jan 1, 2013
Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 12:28 PM
FROM Howard Johnson TO You
Since the Protestant reformation in the 16th century, there has been an on-going of dividing, fracturing, and splintering of one denomination after another, who "have never", NOR "will ever"agree on (anything) regarding the (true authenticated and proven) interpretation of the bible handed down by the Early Church Fathers in 382,393 and 397 AD.---- We as Catholics,continue to embrace, hold fast and adhere to the "true interpretation of the bible" from which we all know that our Protestant brothers and sisters in Christ choose to rely upon their own on (anti-catholic) distorted, contradicting and conflicting "personal opinions" --as the "final authority" by rejecting the TRUTH handed down by Jesus Christ to His Apostles....Furthermore, Bible Only Protestants, who (also) are in "denial of the truth" need to have this TRUTH of biblical and historical church history and the TRUTH of Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church repeated over and over again! Therefore--here is a partial list of the 42,000+ conflicting , inconsistent and contradicting "hodge-podge" of "personal opinionated" denominations since the beginning of the Reformation: This list does not include the small % of agnostics and atheists who, like most Protestants, rely on attacking over 2000 years of historical and biblical (proven truth) in order to keep their bible only (relative truth) beliefs "together and intact"
.Luther (eliminated some original books of the bible)
2.Zwingli (eliminated and rejected the Eucharist)
3.Knox (threw out some of the Sacraments)
4.Wesley (each one rejected something to start a new denomination
5.Huss " " "
6.Cromwell " " "
7.Wycliff " " "
8.(Beginning with the A's " "
Advent Christian Church
Advent Christian Conference
Advent Christian Conference of Japan
Adventists of the True Remnant
Africa Christian network
Africa Evangelical Church
Africa Evangelical Church of Malawi
Africa Gospel Church
Africa Gospel Unity Church
Africa Inland Church
African Apostolic Church of Johane Maranke
African Apostolic Church of Johane Masowe
African Apostolic Church of Nigeria & Benin
African Apostolic Church St Simon & St Johane
African Apostolic Faith Mission
African Assemblies of God
African Baptist Assembly Malawi
African Born Full Gospel Apostolic Ch
African Brotherhood Church
African Catholic Church
African Christian Church & Schools
African Christians Fellowship
Since: Jul 09
#412608 Jan 1, 2013
So far, you have only preached; you have not answered a single question.
#412609 Jan 1, 2013
I have been on the outside looking in, and it is a miserable lonely empty place to be. Take your eyes off of the people and place them on Jesus.
#412610 Jan 1, 2013
African Church Mission
African Church of Jesus Christ in Kenya
African Church of the Holy Spirit
African Church The
African Congregational Church
African Covenant Church
African Disciples of Christ
African Divine Church
African Evangelical Presbyterian Ch
African Faith Tabernacle Church
African Free Presb Church of Zimbabwe
African Full Gospel Church
African Gospel Church
African Holy Zionist Church
African Independent Church of Kenya
African Independent Pentecostal Church of Africa
African Interior Church
African Methodist Church in Zimbabwe
African Methodist Episcopal Church
African Methodist Episcopal Zion Ch
African Mission of Holy Ghost Church
African National Church
African National/International Church.....
55.- 41,992 The rest of the A's through Z
41,998. New Age
42,000.+ Whomever on this forum that we missed
ALL have their own "self appointed popes and rely upon "inventing and creating" their own "modernistic" truth-- which is "predicated upon" and determined by "whichever way the political or social wind blows"---- supporting ABORTION, GAY MARRIAGE, EMBROYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH, EUTHENASIA, HOMOSEXUALITY, WOMAN MINISTERS, and on and on and on.
The "total reliance and basis" of EVERY ONE these 42,000+ Protestant beliefs, is to aggressively attack, THE TRUTH and to judge and condemn over 2000 years of the TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church.
Saint Paul, MN
#412611 Jan 1, 2013
Sounds like you're quoting Clement of Alexandria. I was quoting Clement of Rome.
Same first name, but a 125 yrs apart.
But thats good you're reading Clement of Alexandria. Maybe you will be de-stupidadized as a result.
#412612 Jan 1, 2013
Very heartfelt post you wrote on the pope Dan. I wish more of your evangelical friends here would have watched it.
Please take a moment and read this article, I think you'll find it helpful;
#412613 Jan 1, 2013
Why must yo lie to try to defend your beliefs? I hope you make several trips to confess each day. Can't aggree on anything= LIE Support abortion, ga marriage,...= LIE. You HOHO are a very bad parrot. And you are a liar.
Since: Jul 09
#412614 Jan 1, 2013
Why were you miserable and lonely? Do you think that every Atheists is miserable and lonely? Maybe you think most of us are just too stupid to realize how miserable and lonely we are.
When I attended church, the feeling that if I forgot to ask for forgiveness for one sin, god would send me to hell to be tortured forever, was a pretty miserable feeling!
“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”
Since: Jun 10
"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"
#412616 Jan 1, 2013
who="preston" How about you, gif, do you have a"special dispensation'" from God that you can throw around "false accusations" constantly?
does God allow you to disobey His Word ,since you have studied it for over 60 years?
1 Cor 9:14(see, I know a little about His Word too)
It seems to be 'precious little'; you don't know the basics of "do unto others".(I WILL tell him, too.)
You DID do some reasonable posts the other day, for which I commended you...but they were mostly 'history', not His Word.
You see, you determine things to be false, according to your feelings. You have said that my posts were false, when they were entirely true.
You even questioned my right to be here...then wrote that it is an open forum, and YOU can say anything that you want to say. Where does your 'special status' come from? At least for the moment we still have free speech in America.
Just YOU saying it, doesn't make YOU right.
(Now go right ahead with what you want to say...I know it won't be kind.)
“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”
Since: Jun 10
"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"
#412617 Jan 1, 2013
The RCChurch does not view the sacraments as salvific, but that God works by Grace through them....Salvation in the RCChurch is by Jesus Christ alone. Sacraments are signs.
Talking about Purgatory in general....When one becomes a Christian, accepts Jesus as personal Saviour, is baptised, but then goes astray, then sins, and continues to sin, and does not work out their salvation(Philipians 2:12
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."),
what is God going to do with that person that sins?
God must be a Just Judge(besides being Merciful). Can God call to the Great Feast, those that are not clothed properly? They must be made clean....If we do not start now in this life, then it must be done in the "next" life....
In a sense, consider the journey of the Jew while in the Promised Land...., when they strayed, there was/is a price to be paid, even though God does not forget his covenant with them. God does not forget his covenant with the Christian, but justice must be served....
This does not 'ring true' with what we've been told. Protestants are scolded for saying that communion is a memorial...but you say that Catholics only 'use sacraments because God works through them'?(In other words, they have to have them to be saved.)
And you think that God cannot work HERE to correct one who sins? Where have you been? So...men make an imagined purgatory where their vengeful 'god' beats the h... out of them?
That only proves that they do not know the Father, who has provided forgiveness and love for His people. NO, He will not pollute heaven with your sin, and if you love it more than Him, He has other provision for you.
But to everyone who comes to Him, repenting, and trusts Him, He will forgive AND CLEANSE them from ALL sin.
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