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“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#412576 Jan 1, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> Jesus did not come as a creater on earth he was a perfect man with feelings emotions etc. He was equal to Adam on earth as far as him being perfect. And yes Jesus helped Jehovah create the earth before he came down and sacfriced his human body. Its in the scriptures..
Can he ever return in his human body?
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#412577 Jan 1, 2013
Correction....

So how has that power GRAB worked out?

The RCC drove away the Orthodox (the true keeper of the Bible).

The RCC became so corrupt and immoral that it inspired a rebellion which grew into what we know today as the REFORMATION.

The USA was founded on the principles of the Reformation.

Make all the absurd, anti-American claims you want, but Jesus was not against the Reformation.

Jesus was not against America.

Jesus has abandoned the RCC.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#412578 Jan 1, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> Hello the scraficing of animals was a preview of the sacfrice he was going to give to mankind when Jesus came to sacfrice his life for us. After Jesus' death there were no more animal sacrifices. There is a meaning and explanation for everything that happened back in Bible times to benefit us today.
Really? You have no problem with a god who forces you to kill an animal, just so he can forgive you? A god who loves the smell of burning flesh?

You have no issue with that?

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#412579 Jan 1, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> If you allow me I will help answer any question you have. The Bible is the best book in the world so full of priceless jewels. It will turn your whole life around for the better if you let it. It will come with so many beautiful blessings indeed!! I love the Bible!;oD
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and exerts power*
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#412580 Jan 1, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> Jesus is not God. He too was created.
You,'christians' cannot even agree on this one simple topic! LOL!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#412581 Jan 1, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>If Jesus was created(and he wasnt), then when he died, he could not have been resurrected from the grave.
COMMON SENSE 101
You'll have to explain that one. Your god is powerful enough to create everything, but he cannot bring someone back to life?

What happened to Lazarus?
truth

Perth, Australia

#412582 Jan 1, 2013
Almighty God+

Invisible God+

Alive God +
Pad

Rockford, IL

#412583 Jan 1, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Did I give you too much to think about or do you just ignore logic?
I was going over the midnight shows on TV NEW Year's eve,after I got home from work.It was interesting the venue of shows,and finally I saw a Mass by the Pope for the Veneration of the Mother of God,so I watched it till the end.

The Pope looked very frail,and I noticed more than anytime before his age,and how slow he was moving.But to look into his face and see a determined soul doing what he knew best to do,Saying Mass.My point is that,imagine for a minute how many masses that man says in a week,the everyday one,and those others that he has to visit other churches near the Vatican,and so on.Many Cardinals were also shown in that mass in the early morning hours,of course later there.

But I was fixed on the pope himself,not anyone else,and although he was no doubt tired,and moving slowly,he was fixed,as he read quite a bit in Latin,and even sang part of the Liturgy as well,frail,broken at times in his voice or cracking as it were.Fixed on the main and wondrous ceremony he was part of.And the reality was that he the pope surely was not the focal point,there was no evidence of that.As he prepared the elements for Communion or the sharing of the Eucharist,he was not complacent,and it looked like labor at times,but it was so part of the man,rich and centered.

My faith is much like that black sheep.I am older,64 to be exact,and I see things with less vigor than I had 20 years ago.I do not move as fast although I have to at work,move quickly sometimes.I am not slowed down as the Pope as he is in his 80s.But I have the same focus he has,not that I am comparing myself with that very unique individual,he is a man,and a focussed one of faith,and hope.

There was no look of routine in the face of the pope as he was saying mass.I saw a n elderly man of faith,who with no reservation continued to recite that which he had said from those books for many decades in his life since he must have been a priest most likely in his mid-twenties,and NOW he is in his 80s and saying mass,often in other languages not his own German.

You must be wondering where I am going with this? I am going the path that I myself have taken for decades,since I came to real faith at 17,and through valleys,mountain top,and extreme lows in my life.Yet always going back to the source of my own journey of faith.To doubt for me and to rely on my own understanding Blacksheep is shear waste.I could chalk everything I experienced to an abyss in my mind,but I c h o o s e not to do so,because I know SACRED when I see it.You see when you follow God with real seriousness,eventually the Sacredness and beauty of God and all that concerns HIM,becomes the main focus in one's life.I do not have time for fleeting materialism,and secularism which I have never given place in my mind anyway,WHY start now?

I am screwed onto the right bolt,and if by chance,slim slim chance I am not on the right bolt,I will have lived a good life,and surely my faith and living to be a blessing rather than a curse cannot possibly destroy my end and life after death.UNLESS what is beyond death is only the EVIL we see on this earth.I doubt that is the case.

We all have to be concerned about what we believe and hold on to.It could be detrimental to your life after death.There is no guaratee that life does not exist after death!
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#412584 Jan 1, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Saint Clement, 4th Bishop of Rome 80 AD letter to the Corinthians
"Since these things are manifest to us, and we have looked into the depths of the divine knowledge, we ought to do in order all things which the Master has commanded us to perform at appointed times.(the Holy Mass) He commanded us to celebrate sacrifices and services, and that it should not be thoughtlessly or disorderly, but at fixed times and hrs. He has Himself fixed - by His supreme will, the places and persons whom He desires for these celebrations,(this would be the ordained Bishops or Priests) in order that all things may be done piously according to His good pleasure, and be acceptable to His will.
For the high Priest his proper ministrations allotted, and to the Priest the proper place has been appointed, and on Levites, their proper services have been imposed. The layman is bound by the ordinances for the laity.
The last sentence is interesting. Clement is saying there are ordinances for the laity. In other words, we can't take off and do our own Mass and call it legit.
Shame on you. You are nothing but an RCC parrot.

Clement would be appalled at the RCC, and angry at how you take his words out of context to justify the RCC power grab.

Clement argues for the equality of sexes, on the grounds that salvation is extended to all of mankind equally. Unusually, he suggests that Christ is neither male or female, and that God the Father has both male and female aspects.

He describes the Eucharist is as milk from the breast of the Father.

He is supportive of women playing an active role in the leadership of the church, and provides a list of women he considers inspirational, which includes both Biblical and Classical Greek.

Clement argues for a simple way of life in accordance with the innate simplicity of Christian monotheism.

He condemns elaborate and expensive furnishings and clothing. He would hate the Vatican today.

I could go on, but you once again tell us that you don't do your own research. You are just a parrot. You should really read for yourself everything the Patristics wrote, not just what the RCC whats you to see.
Clay

United States

#412585 Jan 1, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
Correction....
So how has that power GRAB worked out?
The RCC drove away the Orthodox (the true keeper of the Bible).
The RCC became so corrupt and immoral that it inspired a rebellion which grew into what we know today as the REFORMATION.
The USA was founded on the principles of the Reformation.
Make all the absurd, anti-American claims you want, but Jesus was not against the Reformation.
Jesus was not against America.
Jesus has abandoned the RCC.
Lol. You don't need to post a correction, Free !

No one even reads your post the first time around... let alone when you correct it!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#412586 Jan 1, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
It is quite evident that you believe in God...
Why else would you spend so much time attempting to discredit that (
you claim) you does not exist?
Why are you shadow boxing?
Maybe you don't understand what I am doing. Most 'believers' don't read the bible. Oh, they read a few verses here and there; just the ones that support their denomination, the rest is ignored.

As you can tell by this forum, it is difficult to find two christians who think alike. The reason for that is, no one really reads the bible!

For at least 3000+ years, the layman was not allowed to read the bible or sacred scrolls. Do you know why?

Because if they could, someone like me would read it and say:

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

That is wrong! No god would allow slavery, let alone murdering the slave, after the slave suffers for at least 24 hours, because the slave is just property.

No, I do not believe in any god or gods. I believe that if everyone read their bibles and studied the history of their religion, that religion would die out.

Can you read a Greek Myth story without laughing at the people who believe in it?

Take the story of Icarus, can you read that and not laugh at a person who believed that Icarus took some wax and feathers, made some wings and
flew? That everything would have been alright had he not flown too close to the sun?

Yes, you laugh at the poor dumb person who believed that, but you have no problem believing that god made the sun stand still in the sky. That jesus turned water into wine. No problem with those stories, but a man flying too close to the sun!! LOL! What poor dumb bastard would believe in something that stupid?!?!
Rock On

Poplar Bluff, MO

#412587 Jan 1, 2013
StarC wrote:
<quoted text>
Not directed at me, but just my 2 cents.
"There are some things in them (Epistles of St. Paul) hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other
Scriptures.
2 Peter 3:16'
The Church that Jesus started, is in a three year cycle of Scripture reading... This is why we know the Bible, every bit of it.
I have noticed that some protestant, have never heard of 'certain' verses that are in Scripture.
[like confrint, never heard the vers on Apostolic succession]
So no LTM the Church does not hide Scripture from us.
Early Christian heard the WORD at mass and we still do today.
A verse some have not seen in Scripture…..
regarding self interpretation.
2 Peter 1:20-21
Those scriptures are jsut telling us that the scriptures put forth by the apostles where not os private interpretation nor of th eprophets of old but by the God through the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 1

2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.

16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.


17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#412588 Jan 1, 2013
Clay wrote:
Saint Clement of the Eucharist:
Teaching of the twelve Apostles (the Didache) 9:2,
90 AD
"regarding the Eucharist....let no one eat and drink of your Eucharist but those Baptized in the name of the Lord; to this, too, the saying of the Lord is applicable: do not give to dogs what is sacred.
On the Lords own day, assembled in common to break bread and offer thanks; but first confess your sins, so that your sacrifice may be pure. However, no one quarreling with his brother may join your meeting until they are reconciled; your sacrifice must not be defiled. For here we have the saying of the Lord:'in every place and time offer me a pure sacrifice; for I am a mighty King, says the Lord; and my name spreads terror among the nations"
www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/a/eucharist-q.h...
Again, you cherry pick.

On the other hand.... from one of your own links...

"... in light of the texts Mark 2:28 and Luke 6:5 it is seen that Jesus himself (as the Son of Man) claimed to be the Lord of the Sabbath, and that day fell on the seventh day. Some early Christians observed Sabbath on Saturday, while others gathered for worship on Sunday. However, in AD 363 a seventh-day Sabbath was prohibited by Canon 29 of the Council of Laodicea."

It evolved and once an official Roman denomination, they had to distance themselves from the Jews, who were always a problem.

The Jews never sucked up to the Roman Emperors like the Romanists.

This was all a power grab. Early Christianity was gradually corrupted -- in order to please civil powers -- from Constantine through Mussolini.

Now you have a "religion" with a bank and diplomatic immunity.

Every single early church writer that you quote would be shocked and saddened.

True!!!
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#412589 Jan 1, 2013
Any question that Jesus long ago abandoned the RCC?

The Americas....

RCC-dominated societies are poorer, dumber, and more violent.

Any other questions?

Need more evidence?
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#412590 Jan 1, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol. You don't need to post a correction, Free !
No one even reads your post the first time around... let alone when you correct it!
That you for reading my posts.

I understand why you can't offer a retort.

The Americas....

RCC-dominated societies are poorer, dumber, and more violent.

DUH!!!!! Any other questions on the absurd "one true" thing?
Pad

Rockford, IL

#412591 Jan 1, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, so you agree Jesus is the Lamb of God. Sacrificed at Calvary.
Was it ok for the Jews at passover to make a symbol of a Lamb? Was it ok for them to substitute a chicken for those who didn't like Lamb? Was it sufficient to put another animals blood or paint outside instead of Lamb?
If Christ is the Lamb of God, then its easy to see the importance of partaking in this meal. To eat it?
But how on Earth are we supposed to eat Jesus?
Well, the Apostles were clear on how this can be done.
Paul: "for I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night he was betrayed took bread, given thanks, broke it and said "this is my body which is for you. Do THIS in remembrance of me".. in a similar way, he took the chalice, after supper saying "this chalice is the new covenant in my blood, do THIS as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me"
For as often as you eat this bread drink this chalice, you proclaim the Lords death until he comes.
Listen carefully at what Paul says next, Pad.
'whoever, therefore, eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, will be guilty of profaning THE BODY AND BLOOD OF OUR LORD.'
Pad, it sure sounds like the Apostle Paul thinks the bread and wine are actually Jesus Christ.
The Apostle Paul did not expound onCommunion,look at those Scriptures again,and he did not support the RC teaching of the transubstantiation,Paul spoke what Jesus said,and encouraged us to do so in REMEMBRACE,and not to make shallow that which was sacred.

Christians all through history have followed his teaching on this.I have seen some of the most profound Communion services especially in England years ago,and by evangelicals.Never was I moved by a communion service than when I visited:World Evangelization Crusade(WEC) in Bullstrode,London.The music,the words said,the sacredness was so precious and real.I had no problem reflecting on the Death of our Lord in that service,there was weeping and a real move by the Spirit,repentance was everywhere in that room of over 300 missionaries and visitors.

It is Christ who is our focus Clay,I am not arguing with you that you believe in the Real Presence.But I know that God's presence is active in all Christian affiliations and when they humble themselves to the SACRED,and focus on Jesus and His suffering,the Spirit moves and repentance is there,sometimes weeping and brokenness in the Body,that only Christ can inspire as the Real Presence with the Body.

The Lamb of God of course can not be anything but a Lamb,nevertheless no one but JESUS could have laid down His life for all of humanity.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#412592 Jan 1, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>I am screwed onto the right bolt,and if by chance,slim slim chance I am not on the right bolt,I will have lived a good life,and surely my faith and living to be a blessing rather than a curse cannot possibly destroy my end and life after death.UNLESS what is beyond death is only the EVIL we see on this earth.I doubt that is the case.
We all have to be concerned about what we believe and hold on to.It could be detrimental to your life after death.There is no guaratee that life does not exist after death!
If you were not a gray boxer, I might have been able to find the trail of our conversation.

Many people believe that even if you live a good life, if you didn't believe just right, you are just as damned to hell and anyone else.

I have been living a good life, helping where I can, not breaking any laws and such, does that mean that your god would accept me, too? Most would say, "Nope!"

What kind of god would require belief/faith? That is silly. Faith is believe contrary to evidence; why would a god require that? That is a bronze age, or older, pile of crap and you are still buying into it.

Sacrificing is also a bronze age or older pile of crap. I am not talking about the police man who dies trying to save a victim or anything like that! I am talking about the killing of your best lamb so that a god will forgive you for not following his laws. That is stupid. Yet your god required that.
truth

Perth, Australia

#412593 Jan 1, 2013
He is alive.
Dear Jesus where is your address.

Many sick people please asked as well pray.

Please dear Jesus go inside take your big stick..yes
who ever need clean every blocked trough blade stream
o don't worry dear Jesus if you strike hard..Are you remember..when you strike with your stick.. clean water come beautiful as spring nice as well clean.
truth

Perth, Australia

#412594 Jan 1, 2013
Pad

Rockford, IL

#412595 Jan 1, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Can he ever return in his human body?
Who can fault you for dissecting that which you do not understand Blacksheep. You want to say that Jesus did not or was not a Sacrifice for sin. How could He be a sacrifice if He rose from the dead?What happens to the slaughtered animals after they are sacrificed on the altar?They were eaten,you know that.

Jesus of course was not eaten,and His crucifixion basically was the same as thousands of Jews and other nationalities who were executed in the same fashion by the ROMANS. Did you know the Japanese also used crucifixion,and the Chinese in their history as well?

Why do we say Jesus was sacrificed? BECAUSE God the Father deemed it so,as His only begotten Son was sent to endure the Cross and die for the sins of all humanity,and the garden of Gethsemane is where HE(JESUS) labored in His mind and Will for the sins of all human kind,He sweat drops of Blood in agony for your sins and mine. It is the Garden of Gethsemane that really shows the PRICE JESUS was going to pay to redeem all humanity.

Jesus was a sacrifice because HE willingly laid down His life,and the truth of the matter here is that HE knew it was not going to be a p a i n l e s s event,and every fiber of His being would be maxed out in extreme suffering and anguish.Any teaching you might hear that Jesus did not suffer any pain is bogus beyond words. Every nerve and muscle of His body was taxed to the umph degree,as He was en route to Golgotha.Many people never survived the Scourging,let alone the journey carrying His own cross on those shoulders torn by whips and the cruel devices used to scourge Him.

The Crown of thorns was a thicket pressed on His Head,piercing into his skull and no doubt even reaching the brain.His beard was plucked,perhaps the least of what happened to Him,but a painful experience to say the least.

Sacrifice? YES,not that His rising would void out what He experienced,but the Scripture tells us that the FATHER raised Him from the dead,He did not raise Himself. Jesus laid down His life,and He could have asked the FATHER to destroy the world and set Him free from the anguish of the Cross and all that transpired around that event. Yes Jesus did ask the Father to remove that CUP from HIM,but nevertheless"Not My Will,but THINE be done." It was a sacrifice before the Living God,a mystery that human beings sinful and wretched we are could ever understand.

ANY type of anguish and suffering to redeem a violent society is a sacrifice!JESUS was the Anointed ONE chosen by His Father to be that Sacrifice,whether you understand it to be so or not BlackSheep.Your part in this? Believe and Receive it,it is FREE,and He will not cast you out if you go to Him.

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