Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Orville

Vancouver, WA

#412500 Dec 31, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I LOVE THE WORD OF GODM I HATE YOUR IGNORANCE AND MISHANDLING OF HIS WORD.
and I have made that very plain to you the past few years.
NO WONDER THAT YOU HAVE BEEN KICKED OFF OF THIS FORUM SEVERAL TIMES, YOUR IGNORANCE BEHOOVES THEM TO KICK YOU OFF, AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PERMANENT


Your the only one who feels this way.


&NR =1&feature=fvwp
preston

Waverly, OH

#412501 Dec 31, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Then what traditions was Paul talking about?
You think it was Jewish traditions they were teaching? Or Christian traditions?
read 1cor 11:23-30 and tell me Paul isn't instituting some sort of ceremony; a supper... a Mass!
Why did the Church- scattered throughout the known world, ironically have the same Mass when communication resumed in the next century?
Thomas taught in India. Mark in Venice. Matthew in Syria... everyone they taught began practicing the Mass with the understanding the Bread and Wine became the very real being of Jesus Christ.
Hope you had a good Christmas Preston!
of course it was Jewish Traditions, timothys family were Greek/Jewish and that was what Paul was speaking to him about. Timothys family were recent converts so they couldnt have had any Christians traditions for him to have remembered. timothys mom and grandmother were both Jewish, therefore it would have taken years to garner any type of traditions.

of course the Lord supper would have been the same no matter where the Disciples traveled to, however it wasnt until years later that YOUR church changed the Order of things.

{Very early on, the Church saw the Mass as a mystical reality in which the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross is renewed. Responding to Protestant sects who denied that the Eucharist is anything more than a memorial, the Council of Trent (1545-63) declared that "The same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross, is present and offered in an unbloody manner" in the Mass.}SEE THAT CLAY, MANY CENTURIES AFTER PAUL DIED.

http://catholicism.about.com/od/worship/p/The... .

HOPE THIS HELPS YOU REALIZE THAT SOMEONE HAS LIED TO YOU
preston

Waverly, OH

#412502 Dec 31, 2012
Orville wrote:
<quoted text>
Your the only one who feels this way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =m5RtlpXsl8kXX&NR=1&fe ature=fvwp
I wouldnt expect you to realize that he teaches falsehoods, that goes along with you being a FALSE PROHET.LOL
preston

Waverly, OH

#412503 Dec 31, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Clay"
KayMarie
so why dont you grow up and get your own nick. BTW, MOST INTELLIGENT PEOPLE HIT {REPLY }AND THEN POST. WHY ARE YOU SO BACKWARDS?
Clay

Chicago, IL

#412505 Dec 31, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>of course it was Jewish Traditions, timothys family were Greek/Jewish and that was what Paul was speaking to him about. Timothys family were recent converts so they couldnt have had any Christians traditions for him to have remembered. timothys mom and grandmother were both Jewish, therefore it would have taken years to garner any type of traditions.
of course the Lord supper would have been the same no matter where the Disciples traveled to, however it wasnt until years later that YOUR church changed the Order of things.
{Very early on, the Church saw the Mass as a mystical reality in which the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross is renewed. Responding to Protestant sects who denied that the Eucharist is anything more than a memorial, the Council of Trent (1545-63) declared that "The same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross, is present and offered in an unbloody manner" in the Mass.}SEE THAT CLAY, MANY CENTURIES AFTER PAUL DIED.
http://catholicism.about.com/od/worship/p/The... .
HOPE THIS HELPS YOU REALIZE THAT SOMEONE HAS LIED TO YOU
Your above post sorta contradicts each other.

It agrees with what I am saying. The Council of Trent was called to clear up the new teachings the Protestants were trying to establish.
It wasn't at this council that the Church decided on the teachings of the Eucharist!

If I been lied to, then so was Paul, Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr and the first 1,600 yrs of Christianity.
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#412506 Dec 31, 2012
The Americas....

RCC-dominated societies are poorer, dumber, and more violent.

Any other questions on God's only church?
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#412507 Dec 31, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Your above post sorta contradicts each other.
It agrees with what I am saying. The Council of Trent was called to clear up the new teachings the Protestants were trying to establish.
It wasn't at this council that the Church decided on the teachings of the Eucharist!
If I been lied to, then so was Paul, Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr and the first 1,600 yrs of Christianity.
So the RCC gets all of Jesus' many human heart tissue samples DNA tested. No?

Case closed. The RCC is a fraud.

It claims to have the evidence but refuses to allow simple DNA testing.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#412508 Dec 31, 2012
Preston:

ask your wife, she just posted a couple of days ago about HOW SMART THAT SHE SAW THAT I WAS.LOL

and when I use a Bible verse, it is appropriate, not like what you have done for over 4 years.

again, when jesus said those words, they were literal, and no one has the Authority to change them to suit his purpose, like you try constantly

**********

I was attempting to appeal to you, hoping that you would use your knowledge to speak something good. But, true to form, you use my post to attempt to divide us against each other.(It won't work.)

We are called to 'edify' each other (build each other up). I found an opportunity, and attempted to encourage you to do something helpful. It didn't work...you'd rather fight.

You didn't earn any encouragement; it's only been a few days since you posted a supposed description of how ugly you think me to be.

But Jesus smiled on all of us WHILE we were yet in sin. Those who truly follow Him WILL try to encourage each other.

KayMarie
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#412509 Dec 31, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>JESUS does guide individuals,and that should be the argument with the RCC.Because they beleive that this church has a body and a mind which seems to be absent of the individuals who comprise of it. Th Ekklesia can only be of what it is filled with.If a church or group of Christians begin to follow Christ and live according to His Word,they will sekk to be fille with His Spirit.If they go their own way and fall prey to lets say an individual who wants to control the flock as it were for his own purposes,than they stand to lose their ekklesia for the sake of their new head,rather than to be led by CHRIST.
This is basic and can be seen throughout history.There were those who led the body of Christ with love and passion and truth,and there were those who went astray,it is in the Epistles.Paul and Peter warned of it in their day.
How do the Catholics think that they are exempt of the wolves and false apostles,that Paul and Peter warned about in the Scriptures.
Sorry but what is true in the first church is true today,we either have His Word,follow it,seek to humble ourselves all of us from top to bottom, or become victims to wolves who are in the sheep's clothing as it were.It takes prayer,and fastings and a walk with Christ that can only be measured by the WORD.So much is in Catholicism that is not in the Word,that they wonder why we stay clear of them,and their Inquisitions and political intrigues through the centuries,which they claim is just some of their members,but those very things have influenced that organization for centuries.
So that is why we have what seems to be to them chaos,but yet it is survival from being consumed by the political aspirations of a huge religious organization.Oh now it sounds like us,but just 50 years ago,we would not recognize it for what it is today.God can use them,and He will to reach many,but He uses us as well,and in the end what is of Christ will Last all else will be burned to dross.Jesus alluded to that in SCRIPTURE,men's ways and doings will be tried as by fire to see which will survive and last to His End.
The fruit of the labor of all Christians is to be subject to the fires of persecution and the destructive purposes of human kind,and what will last is that which is rooted in the love of Christ,by His grace,and through the Power of the Holy Spirit.
Amen Great Post Pad. God Bless/
Clay

Chicago, IL

#412510 Dec 31, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Clay"
Get real Pad. We cover these changes everyday.
Start with the Holy Eucharist...
The first Protestants denied Christ in the Eucharist.. this was clearly taught by the Apostles and their disciples
Then they added the word 'alone' to Rom 3:28 to invent 'faith alone'.
They removed 7 books from the old testament.. thus siding with the Jews of 100 AD and not Christians of 33 AD.
Then they added Sola scripture, which was unheard of before then.
When
**********
Clay, I believe that you are serious about your faith...but when one is so 'caught up' in their 'church' that other Christians are 'of the devil', something is wrong.
You tell us that you do not worship statues, etc., but here you speak of "things used for worship... like statues, paintings and other artwork."
You say that the RCC respects other faiths...then say that "We can see the hatred forming in so-called Christians on here. We can see the slander and lies they rely on just to teach their faith. It all reeks
of the devil." SO-CALLED 'CHRISTIANS' USING SLANDER AND LIES TO TEACH THEIR FAITH? You say that it (our teaching) ALL REEKS OF THE DEVIL? I don't agree with the RC on some points, but would be the last to say that YOU are of the devil!
The things taught by 'word of mouth', refers to preaching/teaching by the Apostles.(Imagine what will be taught from the Da Vinci Code! Some are already speaking of it as 'gospel'.)
You are trusting in the word of men, who say that other men's words are more important than the writings of the Apostle's.
Seriously, ask the Living Christ to reveal Himself to you. You will never regret it.
KayMarie
You said "ask the Living Christ to reveal Himself to you, you will never regret it"
That's rather insulting to me Kay. Our Lord has revealed Himself to me in more ways then I could possibly deserve. I'm so sure I belong right where I'm at that id be willing to go to the lions.
Is that faith enough for ya?
I've said before, Protestants are unwilling participants in Satans war. That exempts most of ya from judgement because you're just living the gospel the only way you know how.
To me, its doing it with about 1/4 of the resources available to you. Private interpretations of the Bible.
If you followed the Churchs teachings you'd have half the resources.
If you were in communion with the Church, and could participate in the Sacraments - especially the Eucharist - you'd have 100% of the resources available. You would have the fullness of Christianity as established by Jesus Christ.
Think about how people splintered away from the CC throughout the yrs. Why did they immediately change teachings? Who do you think was really influencing these people?
The Devil is powerless in trying to change CC teachings. He's tried and failed. He took down a few Popes and STILL couldn't penetrate the Sacraments.
But when people leave the communion of Church, they are easily influenced.
Look at what Luther did in his yrs after leaving? Its no wonder people said Luther turned into an alcoholic and appeared to be losing his mind! The man was under complete control of the Devil.
preston

Waverly, OH

#412511 Dec 31, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Your above post sorta contradicts each other.
It agrees with what I am saying. The Council of Trent was called to clear up the new teachings the Protestants were trying to establish.
It wasn't at this council that the Church decided on the teachings of the Eucharist!
If I been lied to, then so was Paul, Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr and the first 1,600 yrs of Christianity.
I am sorry, but it wasnt done to clear up anything, but rather to whitewash what they are trying to do by taking away from His actual Death., it is His blood that takes away our sins, and a person can go into your church every time the door is open and take this supper and still not be Saved. and Paul knew that. as I said, they were Jewish and would not have known any Christian traditions, and to be honest, you nor I know what Paul was telling Timothy, but ONE thing that I do know is this, it had nothing to do with any rcc teachings.
and please dont bring up Iggie to me, this guy was a kook of the highest order. concerning clement, nothing much is known about him, so how you can reference him is beyond me. he did write a letter and was said to have authored another but this is nor a proven fact. and his one letter said nothing about any mass, did it?

Justin says this and it is so vague but befitting his status as a philosopher .{The Eucharist

And this food is called among us Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and {[who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins}}}THIS IS PATHETIC}, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#412512 Dec 31, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
What does the Apostle Paul mean ..when he says to hold steadfast to the traditions you were taught by word of mouth?
What traditions? By word of mouth, not written down??
Don't you think LTM, you ought to find out what the Apostle Paul is commanding?
hint: The Holy Mass and the Eucharist.
I have explain it many times Clay so have others, so I will not argue over the word of the Lord any Longer, besides Preston seems to know it all ask him.
preston

Waverly, OH

#412513 Dec 31, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
I was attempting to appeal to you, hoping that you would use your knowledge to speak something good. But, true to form, you use my post to attempt to divide us against each other.(It won't work.)
We are called to 'edify' each other (build each other up). I found an opportunity, and attempted to encourage you to do something helpful. It didn't work...you'd rather fight.
You didn't earn any encouragement; it's only been a few days since you posted a supposed description of how ugly you think me to be.
But Jesus smiled on all of us WHILE we were yet in sin. Those who truly follow Him WILL try to encourage each other.
KayMarie
you do know that I responded to that senile bag of bones that you are maried to when I spoke about your looks AFTER HE SPOKE OF MINE. RIGHT?

you know as much about the bible as he does which is zero. and is comparable to that of Orville and his ignorance .orville says that jesus never paid any taxes, you say that Jesus spoke in tongues, mr fraud knows everything(he thinks) but in reality, he is clueless

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#412514 Dec 31, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Clay"
KayMarie

Preston:
so why dont you grow up and get your own nick. BTW, MOST INTELLIGENT PEOPLE HIT {REPLY }AND THEN POST. WHY ARE YOU SO BACKWARDS?

**********

I DO hit reply and then post.

You obviously didn't hit reply...or there would have been a message. What are you talking about?

Intelligent?

KM
preston

Waverly, OH

#412515 Dec 31, 2012
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
I have explain it many times Clay so have others, so I will not argue over the word of the Lord any Longer, besides Preston seems to know it all ask him.
lol, I certainly know more than you.that is very evident. now go back and spam us some more.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#412516 Dec 31, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I am sorry, but it wasnt done to clear up anything, but rather to whitewash what they are trying to do by taking away from His actual Death., it is His blood that takes away our sins, and a person can go into your church every time the door is open and take this supper and still not be Saved. and Paul knew that. as I said, they were Jewish and would not have known any Christian traditions, and to be honest, you nor I know what Paul was telling Timothy, but ONE thing that I do know is this, it had nothing to do with any rcc teachings.
and please dont bring up Iggie to me, this guy was a kook of the highest order. concerning clement, nothing much is known about him, so how you can reference him is beyond me. he did write a letter and was said to have authored another but this is nor a proven fact. and his one letter said nothing about any mass, did it?
Justin says this and it is so vague but befitting his status as a philosopher .{The Eucharist
And this food is called among us Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and {[who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins}}}THIS IS PATHETIC}, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined.
Unlike the original letters of the Bible, Ignatius
of Antiochs letters are still preserved to this day in original form.

Clement wrote other stuff too.

And you didn't fully quote Justin Martyrs.

These things are important Preston, because the Apostles didn't just hand out their letters without explaining them. By the writings of the early Church, when get a good feel to what was actually being taught by the Apostles.
And to be honest.... they sound really really Catholic.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#412517 Dec 31, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
you may have over looked...
http://bible.cc/john/10-18.htm
Questions?
http://avemariaradio.net/catholic-online-radi...
Very good! If I am at a charity function and I give $10,000 to them, knowing full well that Bill Gates will give me whatever money I give, right back, did I sacrifice anything?

Should I be lifted up on peoples shoulders for giving the most, even though the only reason I gave it, is because I knew that I would get it right back?

That is not a sacrifice!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#412518 Dec 31, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>
Did I give you too much to think about or do you just ignore logic?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#412519 Dec 31, 2012
who="Clay"
You said "ask the Living Christ to reveal Himself to you, you will never regret it"
That's rather insulting to me Kay. Our Lord has revealed Himself to me in more ways then I could possibly deserve. I'm so sure I belong right where I'm at that id be willing to go to the lions.
Is that faith enough for ya?
I've said before, Protestants are unwilling participants in Satans war. That exempts most of ya from judgement because you're just living the gospel the only way you know how.
To me, its doing it with about 1/4 of the resources available to you. Private interpretations of the Bible.
If you followed the Churchs teachings you'd have half the resources.
If you were in communion with the Church, and could participate in the Sacraments - especially the Eucharist - you'd have 100% of the resources available. You would have the fullness of Christianity as established by Jesus Christ.
Think about how people splintered away from the CC throughout the yrs. Why did they immediately change teachings? Who do you think was really influencing these people?
The Devil is powerless in trying to change CC teachings. He's tried and failed. He took down a few Popes and STILL couldn't penetrate the Sacraments.
But when people leave the communion of Church, they are easily influenced.
Look at what Luther did in his yrs after leaving? Its no wonder people said Luther turned into an alcoholic and appeared to be losing his mind! The man was under complete control of the Devil.

**********

I can only leave you to Him, Clay. But our salvation is through faith in Jesus Christs' sacrifice for us; NOT in any denominational group. Your hope seems to be firmly set in the RC to save you.

Thou shalt love THE LORD THY GOD with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.

KayMarie

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#412520 Dec 31, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
I DO hit reply and then post.
You obviously didn't hit reply...or there would have been a message. What are you talking about?
Intelligent?
KM
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