#412445 Dec 30, 2012
Nowhere does Scripture state that, in order to keep the church from error, the authority of the apostles was passed on to those they ordained (the idea behind apostolic succession). Apostolic succession is “read into” those verses that the Roman Catholic Church uses to support this doctrine (2 Timothy 2:2; 4:2-5; Titus 1:5; 2:1; 2:15; 1 Timothy 5:19-22). Paul does NOT call on believers in various churches to receive Titus, Timothy, and other church leaders based on their authority as bishops or their having apostolic authority, but rather based upon their being fellow laborers with him (1 Corinthians 16:10; 16:16; 2 Corinthians 8:23).
What Scripture DOES teach is that false teachings would arise even from among church leaders, and that Christians were to compare the teachings of these later church leaders with Scripture, which alone is infallible (Matthew 5:18; Psalm 19:7-8; 119:160; Proverbs 30:5; John 17:17; 2 Peter 1:19-21). The Bible does not teach that the apostles were infallible, apart from what was written by them and incorporated into Scripture. Paul, in talking to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus, makes note of coming false teachers. To fight against their error does NOT commend them to “the apostles and those who would carry on their authority”; rather, Paul commends them to “God and to the word of His grace”(Acts 20:28-32). It is Scripture that was to be the infallible measuring stick for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17), not apostolic successors. It is by examining the Scriptures that teachings are shown to be true or false (Acts 17:10-12).
#412446 Dec 30, 2012
Was Peter the first pope? The answer, according to Scripture, is a clear and emphatic “no.” Peter nowhere claims supremacy over the other apostles. Nowhere in his writings (1 and 2 Peter) did the Apostle Peter claim any special role, authority, or power over the church. Nowhere in Scripture does Peter, or any other apostle, state that their apostolic authority would be passed on to successors. Yes, the Apostle Peter had a leadership role among the disciples. Yes, Peter played a crucial role in the early spread of the gospel (Acts chapters 1-10). Yes, Peter was the “rock” that Christ predicted he would be (Matthew 16:18). However, these truths about Peter in no way give support to the concept that Peter was the first pope, or that he was the “supreme leader” over the apostles, or that his authority would be passed on to the bishops of Rome. Peter himself points us all to the true Shepherd and Overseer of the church, the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Peter 2:25).
#412447 Dec 30, 2012
the New Testament makes it abundantly clear that Christ is both the foundation (Acts 4:11, 12; 1 Corinthians 3:11) and the head (Ephesians 5:23) of the church. It is a mistake to think that here He is giving either of those roles to Peter. There is a sense in which the apostles played a foundational role in the building of the church (Ephesians 2:20), but the role of primacy is reserved for Christ alone, not assigned to Peter. So, Jesus’ words here are best interpreted as a simple play on words in that a boulder-like truth came from the mouth of one who was called a small stone. And Christ Himself is called the “chief cornerstone”(1 Peter 2:6, 7). The chief cornerstone of any building was that upon which the building was anchored. If Christ declared Himself to be the cornerstone, how could Peter be the rock upon which the church was built? It is more likely that the believers, of which Peter is one, are the stones which make up the church, anchored upon the Cornerstone,“and he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame”(1 Peter 2:6).
#412448 Dec 30, 2012
Think about what 'The Bible' says when we have a arguement between eachother, take it to the 'church', well you both have to agree on 'who' that is before it can happen.
They are not of us 4gvn to reason with don't ya think, different master.
#412449 Dec 30, 2012
and even in this case who can reason... So lets stay with the subject at hand, the reason for every season! Jesus!
either one has been forgiven of their sins by God, or not.
#412450 Dec 30, 2012
Religions have a completely different belief system that does not originate from God to begin with,but man's search for God.Christianity is God's Hand reaching out to human kind,along with Judaism.The world sees Christianity as religion,and labels it as such,but God reaching down to Man is the faith In Christ and trusting in His Salvation,and Believing on His Name. Each prot denomination is not a seaparate religion,but all part of Chriatianity,along with Catholicism.I am a Christian because I follow Christ,you the same,your church affiliation and mine can easily stear us away from Christ,and we could very well become religious,rather than born of His Spirit. If you want religion that is your choice,I'll choose Christ as my Savior,thank you!
#412451 Dec 30, 2012
However we must be thankful that the Bible was compiled and distributed even though with much resistance.The Bible is not a book of affiliation,but God's inspiredW o r d,and it is spiritually discerned.No group has claim to it,but we all can benefit with humility from its great history and its Divine Roots.When I read the Word,I do not consider the Book to be Protestant or Catholic or Orthodox,but a WORD from the Living God,Inspired into Jewish Men,including one Gentile(Luke).
There is nothing denominational or that of an organization religious system.We are all subject to its Content not vice versa!
#412452 Dec 30, 2012
Than why is the RCC so different from the Believers who were in Rome at the time of Paul?
#412453 Dec 30, 2012
Your last sentence shows how ignorant Catholics think we all are.The RCC ruled over Europe with an IRON Fist,it stands to reason that any public individuals were being controled by the RC clergy who delegated the proceedings of any given Inquisitional court in those times.No public peoples living in those times completely acted on their own outside of the Church to exercise Inquisitional court on thsoe deemed heretics.
#412454 Dec 31, 2012
Why don't you list them one by one? It must be put in writing,so we can see it for ourselves as People of the Book,it is important that we know our changes we made from generation to generation.In other words Clay,be specific!
#412455 Dec 31, 2012
I think you know its not the only thing. I'm not sure why you guys continue on with this false teaching, when its clear from scripture itself its not the only thing.
How do you explain that Pauls letter was written at a time when the New Testament wasn't even written? hmmm.
If scripture is the only thing, why did Christ wait for 400 yrs for His followers to have a clear set? hmmm
#412456 Dec 31, 2012
The Apostle Paul says there is something more. TRADITIONS by word of mouth.
You say 'sorry Paul, there is no traditions by word of mouth. We have the Bible that's enough'
And now look what you all have done! Do we need anyone data to show how sola scripture is false?
#412457 Dec 31, 2012
Get real Pad. We cover these changes everyday.
Start with the Holy Eucharist...
The first Protestants denied Christ in the Eucharist.. this was clearly taught by the Apostles and their disciples
Then they added the word 'alone' to Rom 3:28 to invent 'faith alone'.
They removed 7 books from the old testament.. thus siding with the Jews of 100 AD and not Christians of 33 AD.
Then they added Sola scripture, which was unheard of before then. In fact, no evidence shows it was ever taught by Christ nor His Apostles.
But these first Protesters understood the sacred teachings of things like, Mary's ever virginity, water Baptism.
And things used for worship... like statues, paintings and other artwork.
A couple generations after the first Protesters, things really took off. Born agains removed water baptism; said Mary had a bunch of children; said Mary is sleeping in the ground; and everything keeps evolving Pad. It won't stop because you guys don't recognize an authority to stop you!
Your grandkids will practice an entirely different Christianity than you!
When one looks at the chronology of Protestantism, you can easily recognize a military type attack by Satan and his minions. He started with a carefully laid out plan that is still in the works. We can see the hatred forming in so-called Christians on here. We can see the slander and lies they rely on just to teach their faith. It all reeks
of the devil.
#412458 Dec 31, 2012
Scary stuff here..........Can we all agree on the 10 Commandments? Instead of studying the Bible and getting so many different interpretations, maybe if we focused on these.......and studied them...maybe ......give a person some hope and peace of mind???
Probably not.........that would be too simple.
Since: Jul 09
#412459 Dec 31, 2012
I am confused. When I quote from the OT, I am told that those laws of god's are no longer enforced, but the 10C's are in the OT!
Also, not many christians follow the 10C's! They don't even try. Oh sure, they may not go out and kill anyone, but they have no problem eating a few grapes in the grocery store. They have no problem fudging their taxes.
When is the sabbath and how should it be kept? Not too many christians follow that one!
Number 2: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Do you have any pictures or statues in your house or church?
Once you christians start taking the 10C seriously, maybe the rest of us would... No, not really.
#412460 Dec 31, 2012
Why do you ignore our ACTUAL beliefs?
You're not allowed to define Apostolic succession for us. Its our belief. We get to define it.
The teachings went thru 265 Popes so far.
But the Popes themselves were ALL SINNERS. Every single one of them.
Our Lord protected the doctrine and dogma from error and the teachings Magistrium of the Church will always be without error in teachings because of this.
#412461 Dec 31, 2012
Did you just identify yourselves as "People of The Book"?
That's a heck of a title Pad.
I would advise you all to get together and come up with a unified understanding of The Book. This would be the responsible thing to do, right?
You guys don't venture deep enough into scripture to call yourselves that. You barely scratch the surface and pretty much ignore the Old Testament... because of that, you don't understand things like the Eucharist and the Passover; the sacrificial Lamb pertaining to the Lamb of God.
The Jews understood the importance of partaking in the sacrificial Lamb. They consumed it.
Christ is the Lamb of God.
Now do you see the importance of The Mass and partaking in the Eucharist? You see why The Old Testament and New, flow together?
#412462 Dec 31, 2012
They claim that Jesus demands no accountability. None. Zero.
Silly -- the supposed teacher of "perfect morals" accepts zero accountability for itself.
The ONLY reason the Pope apologized to the world for the largest child sex abuse cover-up in history was NOT because it was right.
Nope, the Vatican was caught red-handed in its lies -- thanks to among other things -- a police raid on a Bishops Conference in Belgium.
How does anyone make sense of Jesus requiring a police raid before guiding his supposed church to tel the truth?
It makes no sense and Jesus comes out looking like a buffoon.
#412464 Dec 31, 2012
How would Jesus guide His one-true church during the decades long child sex-abuse scandal?
1... Would Jesus have His Church confront the issue head-on once the first evidence emerged and His earthly vicar (the Pope) first became aware -- thus saving the souls of countless children?
2.... Would Jesus guide His church to cover-up the child abuse for decades longer, guide His church to use diplomatic immunity in order to avoid giving evidence and answering questions, and only have His church admit the truth after a police raid in Belgium seized many boxes of secret documents?
OK kids -- how much do you know about Jesus?
Reality 101 -- sorry Catholics-in-denial -- Jesus is not OK with child rape.
Sorry Catholics, but Jesus would not honor any Apostle who facilitated HUNDREDS of such crimes.
(Catholics respond; "Cardinal Law good -- the nuns are the problem, the nuns are the problem.")
#412465 Dec 31, 2012
1... The RCC wants us to judge them by their words.
2... Jesus wants us to judge them by their deeds.
Question: Whose advice is correct?
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