Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#412344 Dec 29, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Is spoiled brat your 'new' catch phrase?
Hey, if the shoe fits...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#412346 Dec 29, 2012
Anthony said that the RCC is responsible for Western Civilization.

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It was illegal for a CC to hold public office in America in most, if not all states, as the foundation of America was being laid.

KayMarie
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#412348 Dec 29, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
Anthony MN wrote:
Jesus built His Church on a guy who denied Him. Jesus knows we will all sin, what's important is whether we repent.
Have a nice day.
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This is very revealing: You say that Jesus built His church on a guy who denied Him?
Do you remember Jesus' parable about the man who built his house on the sand?
Jesus didn't build His church on sand.
KayMarie
Your problem is with Jesus not the Catholic Church.

15 When therefore they had dined, Jesus says to Simon Peter: Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these? He said to him: Yea, Lord, you know that I love you. He said to him: Feed my lambs. 16 He says to him again: Simon, son of John, do you love me? He said to him: yea, Lord, you know that I love you. He said to him: Feed my lambs. 17 He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, do you love me? Peter was grieved because he had said to him the third time: Do you love me? And he said to him: Lord, you know all things: you know that I love you. He said to him: Feed my sheep.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#412349 Dec 29, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
Anthony said that the RCC is responsible for Western Civilization.
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It was illegal for a CC to hold public office in America in most, if not all states, as the foundation of America was being laid.
KayMarie
Yeah, the protestants were really into equality weren't they? And I'm sure you're so proud of them. Don't you wish those laws were still in place? Hey Kay, do you allow blacks or Asians in your pentecostal compound?
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#412351 Dec 29, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Your problem is with Jesus not the Catholic Church.
15 When therefore they had dined, Jesus says to Simon Peter: Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these? He said to him: Yea, Lord, you know that I love you. He said to him: Feed my lambs. 16 He says to him again: Simon, son of John, do you love me? He said to him: yea, Lord, you know that I love you. He said to him: Feed my lambs. 17 He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, do you love me? Peter was grieved because he had said to him the third time: Do you love me? And he said to him: Lord, you know all things: you know that I love you. He said to him: Feed my sheep.
The three-fold questions of Jesus to Peter was not to elevate him above the other Apostles, but was in direct response to Peters three-fold denial. Jesus' questions were designed to bring Peter back up to status with the other apostles.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#412352 Dec 29, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, the protestants were really into equality weren't they? And I'm sure you're so proud of them. Don't you wish those laws were still in place? Hey Kay, do you allow blacks or Asians in your pentecostal compound?
30Dec12.....

.....BobLoblah will say dat many organizations NO longer want BLACKS amongst them.

Ps:....Dat's because BLACKS are the most Racist people in da WholeWideWorld.

....and da Chinks come in as a close Second.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#412353 Dec 29, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok. Show me what OTHER Church existed for the first 1000 years. And please, back it up with historical evidence, not opinion.
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THE CHURCH IS AS OLD AS GOD IS....IT EXISTED BEFORE THE WORLDS WERE FRAMED..

If the church did not exist forever...

Then will you give an explanation for Melchisedec....

Heb 5:6 As he saith also in another place,-->Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. <--

Question...

how long is forever?

Back to past infinity <---

and

--->forward to future infinity...

There would would be no need of a priesthood, if there were

no existing Church ..

The CHURCH UNDER GRACE WAS BIRTH BY JESUS CHRIST IN HIS PASSION DEATH

IT CAME FORTH WITH HIM IN HIS RESURRECTION...

WE CELEBRATE/COMERATE THE BIRTH OF (CHRIST VICTORIOUS CHURCH) IN WATER BAPTISM...

Rom_6:4 --> Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Col 2:12 --> Buried with him in baptism,<--

wherein also

--> ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. <---

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the un-circumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#412354 Dec 29, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
So you're jumping on the bandwagon too, eh? Well, I'm not surprised since that's the first sign of someone who's lost every debate with Catholics here.
Knew what? That some priests abused? Yes, I'm sure he did. Approved of some of the bishops covering it up? Absolutely not one shred of evidence has ever been produced that he or the previous popes did.
By the way, you are of course aware that many of the leaders in the SBC do know about abusers in your ranks and still refuse to allow for full internal disclosure?
lol, you sound a lot like your buddy Preston.
I have lost no debate.
The fact is you post 'spam' and then when it is refuted you have nothing to come back with on your own and you 'run away'.
It seems that you are much more impressed with yourself than I am.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#412355 Dec 29, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
He re-named him "Rock" (not "little pebble"), He gave him the keys, He charged him with feeding His sheep, gave him the power to bind and loose. Case closed.
God's word says 'little pebble'. Sorry! For you.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#412356 Dec 29, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
Anthony said that the RCC is responsible for Western Civilization.
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It was illegal for a CC to hold public office in America in most, if not all states, as the foundation of America was being laid.

KayMarie
~~~

AFTER ABRAHAM LINCOLNS ASSASSINATION....because of the 8 or 9 Roman Catholics that were involved...(there were five found guilty and hung
for the crime.) plus John Wilkes Booth ..a Catholic who was shot and killed.

It was 100 years ..from 1863 till John F. Kennedy ( a Roman Catholic.) was elected in 1960 and was assassinated in 1963 .

The same year that prayer was successfully expunged from public schools in America.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#412357 Dec 29, 2012
The first church, its growth, doctrine, and practices, were recorded for us in the New Testament. Jesus, as well as His apostles, foretold that false teachers would arise, and indeed it is apparent from some of the New Testament epistles that these apostles had to fight against false teachers early on. Having a pedigree of apostolic succession or being able to trace a church's roots back to the "first church" is nowhere in Scripture given as a test for being the true church. What is given is repeated comparisons between what false teachers teach and what the first church taught, as recorded in Scripture. Whether a church is the "true church" or not is determined by comparing its teachings and practices to that of the New Testament church, as recorded in Scripture.

For instance, in Acts 20:17-38, the Apostle Paul has an opportunity to talk to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus one last time face to face. In that passage, he tells them that false teachers will not only come among them but will come FROM them (vv. 29-30). Paul does not set forth the teaching that they were to follow the "first" organized church as a safeguard for the truth. Rather, he commits them to the safekeeping of "God and to the word of His grace" (v. 32). Thus, truth could be determined by depending upon God and "the word of His grace" (i.e., Scripture, see John 10:35).
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#412358 Dec 29, 2012
Dependence upon the Word of God, rather than following certain individual "founders" is seen again in Galatians 1:8-9, in which Paul states, "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed." Thus, the basis for determining truth from error is not based upon even WHO it is that is teaching it,“we or an angel from heaven,” but whether it is the same gospel that they had already received – and this gospel is recorded in Scripture.

Another example of this dependence upon the Word of God is found in 2 Peter. In this epistle, the Apostle Peter is fighting against false teachers. In doing so, Peter begins by mentioning that we have a "more sure word" to depend upon than even hearing the voice of God from heaven as they did at Jesus' transfiguration (2 Peter 1:16-21). This “more sure word” is the written Word of God. Peter later tells them again to be mindful of "the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets and the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Savior" (2 Peter 3:2). Both the words of the holy prophets and the commandments Jesus gave to the apostles are recorded in Scripture.
truth

Perth, Australia

#412359 Dec 29, 2012
Jesus explain wicket world as water.
They think they are smart..but it is as it is as Wave come its going splash on send and dry up on hot sun as vapor in hell.
Don't be liar.Wicket can't have holy ticket.

When you cut tree from old roots branch come green beautiful pure modern then you really think.

When wicket people try kill or sacrifice on altar big lio..its for them broken Altar..where wicket forget
lio is still Alive.

Branch of tree still is green.Spring
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
http://bible.cc/numbers/16-19.htm

When others try stop God always stay in control.

byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyy
truth

Perth, Australia

#412360 Dec 29, 2012
false witness is not good..o confe
what a shame
read again
about what?
signature who garantee

o moj Jure dobro moje
ako ces ih poznat
crne gace
bjeim koncem okrpljene...
truth

Perth, Australia

#412361 Dec 29, 2012
people wisdom
sto blejis
kad te niko neshisha
kad se ovcasisa
kad je vruce u ljeto..

Mara ovce shisha
pripomaze i radia
radite

who give you signature accordin law as garantee

o moj Jure =george
dobro moje
lako ce ih poznat
crne gace
bijelim koncem okrpljene..

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#412362 Dec 29, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone of your posts starts with "it's obvious he knew!!!!!", but you have yet to produce one shred of evidence that he knew of any covering up of abuse. Produce it or remain in your hypothetical little world.
How many times must I quote this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abu ...
In the 1950s, Gerald Fitzgerald, the founder of a religious order that treats Roman Catholic priests who molest children, concluded "(such) offenders were unlikely to change and should not be returned to ministry," and this was discussed with Pope Paul VI (1897 – 1978) and "in correspondence with several bishops."[6]

The Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse (CICA) is one of a range of measures introduced by the Irish Government to investigate the extent and effects of abuse on children from 1936 onwards.

Bernard Francis Law, Cardinal and Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts, United States resigned after Church documents were revealed which suggested he had covered up sexual abuse committed by priests in his archdiocese.[95] On December 13, 2002 Pope John Paul II accepted Law's resignation as Archbishop and reassigned him to an administrative position in the Roman Curia naming him archpriest of the Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore, and he later presided at one of the Pope's funeral masses.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#412363 Dec 29, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of your posts are hypothetical, but you can't deal with hypothetical? Let's just say that your very existence here is in no small part due to the Catholic Church keeping the barbarians from overrunning Europe and preserving science, technology, art, academics, social structure, etc. Explain to me, hypothetical or otherwise, how I'm wrong.
Are you smoking something? Popping a few pills or what?

You cannot say how anything would have turned out, you can only speculate.

I recall a number stories of the catholic church holding science back.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#412364 Dec 29, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
I've read the wiki article many times. None of it or any other evidence exists showing that the pope knew of or condoned any cover up of sex abuse. That is your contention. Did popes know that some priests were guilty of abuse? I'm sure they did. There was and is a disciplinary process for such clerics, but the pope wasn't and isn't "in charge" of the tribunals.
Nice try at moving the goal post!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#412365 Dec 29, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone of your posts starts with "it's obvious he knew!!!!!", but you have yet to produce one shred of evidence that he knew of any covering up of abuse. Produce it or remain in your hypothetical little world.
Actually, none of my posts started with, "it's obvious he knew!!!!!"

You have lied, moved the goal post and blindly denied evidence, the only conclusion that I can make is; you a sad little troll looking for anyone to fight with.

Have fun!
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#412366 Dec 30, 2012
4GVN wrote:
The first church, its growth, doctrine, and practices, were recorded for us in the New Testament. Jesus, as well as His apostles, foretold that false teachers would arise, and indeed it is apparent from some of the New Testament epistles that these apostles had to fight against false teachers early on. Having a pedigree of apostolic succession or being able to trace a church's roots back to the "first church" is nowhere in Scripture given as a test for being the true church. What is given is repeated comparisons between what false teachers teach and what the first church taught, as recorded in Scripture. Whether a church is the "true church" or not is determined by comparing its teachings and practices to that of the New Testament church, as recorded in Scripture.
For instance, in Acts 20:17-38, the Apostle Paul has an opportunity to talk to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus one last time face to face. In that passage, he tells them that false teachers will not only come among them but will come FROM them (vv. 29-30). Paul does not set forth the teaching that they were to follow the "first" organized church as a safeguard for the truth. Rather, he commits them to the safekeeping of "God and to the word of His grace" (v. 32). Thus, truth could be determined by depending upon God and "the word of His grace" (i.e., Scripture, see John 10:35).
you guys are so clueless, you don't even realize you're the people Paul was talking about.
The Catholic and Orthodox teachings don't change. Yours changes from generation to generation.
Sola scripture.
You are preaching a false gospel and no one can say anything because you created a fantasy of Sola Scripture. This false teaching opened the door to thousands of more false teachings.

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