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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#410709 Dec 21, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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Many of the Church fathers were taught directly by the apostles. What would their agenda be? And why do you think 2000 years later you have a better idea of what aligns with God's Word than they did?
I have no confidence in hearsay ...mixed with traditions,rituals, fables and conjecture, that is being forced upon the Christians of the world by the unloving murderous perverted,domination of an ungodly religious society.

Hearsay deluded and edited by multiple popes of the centuries who by you own admission are sinful men.

We have been given the inspired word of God the Bible and that is all I need...

The word I trust is..

Heb_4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Your conjecture is no match to it...Not even the same species..

because it promises/guarantees no eternal life hereafter with Christ

if you adhere to it.

I WILL JUST TAKE GOD'S WORD FOR IT. THANK YOU.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#410710 Dec 21, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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I will put this so that you will understand it.
GOD GAVE YOU THE LAWS, JESUS SAID THAT YOU MUST STICK TO THOSE LAWS. YOU DENY THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE LAWS. WHY?
Sorry that I typed in all caps, but I guess it is some of you people operate.
Now, do you ask for forgiveness for not stoning a girl to death for not being a virgin on her wedding night?
Do you ask for forgiveness for not killing non-believers?
If you do not try to obey these laws and you do not ask for forgiveness, then you are in danger of a very harsh judgment.
I am so glad that your distortion of the truth of the whole matter is not the final chapter for me and all believers blacksheep.

You do not understand,and that is understandable,we were all in the same place you are now in concerning God,His Law,His Son and how we all fit into that. Will give you a simple list of the description of truth concerning God.

All reject God,because they do not understand Him,but when He gives us glimpses of His mercy and truth,that opens the door to comprehending His plan that is first of all eternal.

God's law is impossible for man and woman to comply to with any sort of perfection. ONLY He is Perfect,so the Law He constructed to give to human beings remains encassed in perfection for the purpose of showing us that ultimately we cannot perform individually or corporately to satisfy the rudiments of the L a w.

The Jews or Hebrews especially under the tutelage of Moses placed the Law of God as Supreme and along with every penalty of infraction of such.Some penalties were of course from God Himself,and others were added by the traditions of the Jews. The Law shows us where we are in error,or out of alignment with the perfection of what can be seen opposite of Sin.rebellion and ultimate chaos.So God's law is perfect and complete,although it is impossible for us to follow on our own effort.

Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law,HOW? Jesus is God and He is Perfect,and because of His obedience as the Son Incarnate,He fulfilled every aspect of the Law within His own Person,not that we should become slaves to the law ourselves,but that we can embrace Him who is the pleasing fulfillment of the Father,and that through Him we can live a life of mercy,love,grace,and most of all truth in the Father.The Father wants us to succeed not to fail,so He gave us His Son as the only success story of One who lived the Law,but yet eventually was accused of being lawless and killed by the very people who executed the rudiments of the Law in their own flesh,The Sanhedrin(Parisees).

Jesus gives to us every vantage point of being reconciled with God in a world that hates the truth and Law of God.You hate what you do not know,so your argument to us will continue on because you see God as a figment of our imagination.But we are connected now to the eternal promises of God,and you are unaware of them,by a decision to reject the Creator,for the shallowness of a world that thrives on temporal pleasures,and often falls prey to the ruthless designs of power-hungry rulers and leaders.Our whole history is filled with such,you cannot deny it.

So blacksheep it is your right to reject what you cannot understand,but someday your own life will be confronted with the briefness of this life,and you think there is nothing beyond your end,but there is.To reject a loving Merciful Creator for a completely void uncertain future in eternity is sheer madness.God wants the best for you,and He loves you more than you could imagine,there are too many witnesses of this in the world today,we even have martyrs from all affiliations who gave their lives knowing they would be with Him for an eternity.Your world is quickly passing by,and you know that it will end someday,as I know mine as well,but the difference between you and I is that I know where I am going,you do not!
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#410711 Dec 21, 2012
Clay wrote:
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Its clear from scriptures that Peter played a bigger role than the rest of the Apostles.
In fact, he is mentioned in the New Testament 156 times.
That is more than all of the other Apostles COMBINED.
And many ;of these mentions are about his failures and short comings. He is the ONLY apostle referred to as Satan by Jesus.
Are these some of the passages you are referring to that point to Peter's higher position?
Obviously that is not the case, and your point is moot.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#410712 Dec 21, 2012
Veni, Veni, Emmanuel captivum solve Israel,
qui gemit in exsilio, privatus Dei Filio.

O Come, O Come, Emmanuel,
and ransom captive Israel,
that mourns in lonely exile here
until the Son of God appear.

Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel....

This is an antiphon since ancient time and is included in the prayers of day, on 12/21
marge

Ames, IA

#410713 Dec 21, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Many of the Church fathers were taught directly by the apostles. What would their agenda be? And why do you think 2000 years later you have a better idea of what aligns with God's Word than they did?
11My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12What I mean is this: One of you says,“I follow Paul”; another,“I follow Apollos”; another,“I follow Cephasa”; still another,“I follow Christ.”

13Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#410714 Dec 21, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
He held the bread and said it's His body and the cup His blood. Was He referring to something other than the bread and cup?
No, He was referring to the 'bread' and the 'cup'. His physical body and blood were there before them. The bread and wine were obviously symbols.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#410715 Dec 21, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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He held the bread and said it's His body and the cup His blood. Was He referring to something other than the bread and cup?
When Jesus walked this earth as a man, he had a physical body just as all other men. That body was not ever present. It was a physical body. Jesus' body could not be here and miles away and many places. That concept is clearly unbiblical.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#410716 Dec 21, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
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The expectations of the Jews (concerning the coming messiah) were right but their timing was wrong...(that was their problem..)
BECAUSE THEY LOOKED FOR A CONQUERING MESSIAH.
They did not comprehend (THE WORKS OF THE SUFFERING SAVIOR/MESSIAH.).
THEY WERE OBLIVIOUS TO THE FACT ...
THAT
MESSIAH MUST COME FIRST To destroy the works of the devil
that had hijacked/seized dominion of the earth in Eden.
AND restore humanity BACK unto the good graces of God the Father.
Messiah will more than meet their expectations when he sets up His
kingdom and rules and reigns IN THE millennium upon the earth in a
thousand years of peace.
Confrinting says.....MESSIAH MUST COME FIRST To destroy the works of the devil.

You believe when Jesus walked the earth, those he preached to did not believe him. The devil as you claim, is still here 2,000 years later, and today the vast majority of the world do not accept Jesus as the third person of God.

...Was there a man who Jesus was a great moral teacher? Quite possibly. However, he was far from perfect in his moral outlook.

....... The idea and belief, that eternal punishment would follow from rejecting Jesus seems downright evil. The idea that someone could live a noble life and not be saved, when another could live a depraved and cruel, and immoral life and through a true conversion of his heart at the end of life still be saved, is hard to tally up on the moral balance sheet.

..... There are that many Christian groups reject this doctrine today, but for centuries it was normative church doctrine.

The Jesus who said (in Matthew 10:34-37), "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came NOT to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother" is not a Jesus whom I can accept as a moral model.

.... The statement is consistent, however, with the Jesus of Luke 14:26, who says, "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

.......Also, the Jesus who withers a fig tree because it did not provide him with fruit when he was hungry seems childish rather than exemplary (Matthew 21:17-19).

.......There are many remarkable and wonderful teachings of Jesus in the New Testament. However, they are the teachings of a human being, not a God, and many of them--including the most morally enlightened--are paralleled in rabbinic literature. The teachings of Jesus to his followers were the teachings of a human man, as they did not see him as God.

Christians accept the OT and NT as the formations of the bible, yet christians do not believe everything written or expressed in the OT. The Jews wrote the OT and the Jews never accepted anything more than 1 God and no trinity.

Can't have it both ways. You are either all in or all out.



.....
Pad

Rockford, IL

#410717 Dec 21, 2012
Michael wrote:
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Pad says...Yes we all face heartache and trouble in this life,even the more reason to realize our frail beings,and the need to connect with our Creator who wondrously put us together.He promised.
Michael says. That is just your theory and you say this without any knowledge or evidence of what you speak. Because atrocities happen today to eveyone you have no other argument but to agree.
The idea that one can be saved only through Jesus is contrary to simple compassion and justice.
.....Judaism teaches that "the righteous of all nations have an equal share in the world to come." Maimonides writes in a letter that there are non-Jews who "bring their souls to perfection." That is the simple truth that all faiths should acknowledge and celebrate. Otherwise, there can be no kinship, and we see that today.
.... Abraham Joshua Heschel once wrote about attempts to convert the Jews: "How can we take seriously a friendship that is conditioned ultimately on the hope and expectation that the Jew will disappear?
.....How would a Christian feel if Jews were engaged in an effort to bring about the liquidation of Christianity?"
....We are all in this together, not one group righteous and another not.
So basically Michael you reject the Person of J e s u s Himself!And for the fact that so many do not understand Who and What He is in relation to human kind.The Jews do not accept Him,so does that mean Michael we should just dump that whole message of Christ into a pit and rather for unity sake endear ourselves to the Jewish cause for self preservation?

Well Messianic Jews who believe in Yeshua and love Him with a wonderful devotion and love consider themselves fulfilled J E W S.Their traditional relatives and friends who are Jews reject them,so what does that make those Jews who are Messianic and converted to Christ? ARE they not Jews anymore?
Who determines that? Some Rabbi who hates the name of Jesus?Well guess what no human being determines the outcome of what is done eternally to a soul for Christ.Christ is the Eternal Son of God Michael,and no matter what happens to the traditions of MEN over a decision to follow Christ is irrelavant.We who follow Him owe our allegiance to Him,our traditions and religious trappings mean little.

Christ calls men to Himself not to a particular religious organization.AND yes we organized many Christian groups and affiliations,but in the end,if a person is not connected with Jesus Christ Himself,their affiliation of being:Catholic,Protestant or Orthodox means ZILCH.Now if 1,000,000 plus Messianic Jews have embraced Yeshua as their Messiah today,or within this century,do not align themselves with Christian organizations,and YET still live and DIE for Him who was crucified,died and Rose from the grave,than affiliations hold no weight in light of H I M who give life to whoever will believe.

There are even Muslims who are being converted to Jesus,and have to form groups to encourage each other,not calling themselves Catholics,Protestants or Orthodox,but followers of JESUS.Your using Jews who naturelly reject the Messiah to convince me I am narrow-minded to Christ and Christianity is really a waste of time,I understand more than you realize in this matter.Com e up with why you reject H I M yourself?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#410718 Dec 21, 2012
marge wrote:
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11My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12What I mean is this: One of you says,“I follow Paul”; another,“I follow Apollos”; another,“I follow Cephasa”; still another,“I follow Christ.”
13Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?
marge

Jesus was born in Bethlehem(House of Bread) Matt 2:1

Jesus is the bread of life John 6:35

Jesus broke the bread, and gave it to his disciples. Matt 26:26
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#410719 Dec 21, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no confidence in hearsay ...mixed with traditions,rituals, fables and conjecture, that is being forced upon the Christians of the world by the unloving murderous perverted,domination of an ungodly religious society.
Hearsay deluded and edited by multiple popes of the centuries who by you own admission are sinful men.
We have been given the inspired word of God the Bible and that is all I need...
The word I trust is..
Heb_4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Your conjecture is no match to it...Not even the same species..
because it promises/guarantees no eternal life hereafter with Christ
if you adhere to it.
I WILL JUST TAKE GOD'S WORD FOR IT. THANK YOU.
Ok, well, I think you're dodging my questions. You have no confidence in what the disciples of the apostles said.

What evidence do you have that they are edited?

Since you too are a sinful man, why do you believe you can better interpret scripture than others?
Clay

United States

#410720 Dec 21, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>No, He was referring to the 'bread' and the 'cup'. His physical body and blood were there before them. The bread and wine were obviously symbols.
then why didn't he make it clear they were symbols? Why did he let John teach Ignatius the wrong thing? Didn't Christ promise to be with John and the other Apostles? How did their Disciples write something totally opposite?
You have to understand something very important. I have partook in the bread and wine, as have every Catholic on here. So you can't pull that bible verse manipulation with us, concerning the Eucharist. Isn't that exactly why Christ established it? To protect us from folks like you who He foresaw??
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#410721 Dec 21, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>And many ;of these mentions are about his failures and short comings. He is the ONLY apostle referred to as Satan by Jesus.
Are these some of the passages you are referring to that point to Peter's higher position?
Obviously that is not the case, and your point is moot.
The point is certainly not moot.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/primacy_of_p...
Clay

United States

#410722 Dec 21, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>When Jesus walked this earth as a man, he had a physical body just as all other men. That body was not ever present. It was a physical body. Jesus' body could not be here and miles away and many places. That concept is clearly unbiblical.
You're saying Jesus Christ - who is God - couldn't be in multiple places at once??
wow. I'm speechless.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#410723 Dec 21, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Many of the Church fathers were taught directly by the apostles. What would their agenda be? And why do you think 2000 years later you have a better idea of what aligns with God's Word than they did?


...According to your scriptures this man of God Jesus preached Judiasm to his brethern of his day, performed dozens of miracles for thousands, witnessed by thousands more (christians only say) and they STILL! didn't believe in him, and 2,000 years later, the VAST MAJORITY of our world is still out on his authenticity.

A small select group of disgruntled jews with an agenda created the story of christianity, using customs/traditions of man/gods that came 1,000 years before, using the exact same elements (heaven/hell, prophecies, baptism, holy sacrificial meal, eternal salvation, all practiced previously, used a deadman as their leader so they could say and write whatever they wanted without any recourse. Joined up with powerman constantine who they knew would strong arm all the other christian groups into submission, found that family indoctrination was the way to go, and the rest is history.

BUSTED!



Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#410724 Dec 21, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>No, He was referring to the 'bread' and the 'cup'. His physical body and blood were there before them. The bread and wine were obviously symbols.
Jesus did not say "this is a symbol of My body and blood". If He did, that would be obvious.

He is God. Do you think it's impossible for Him to be there AND in the appearance of bread and wine?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#410725 Dec 21, 2012
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
11My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12What I mean is this: One of you says,“I follow Paul”; another,“I follow Apollos”; another,“I follow Cephasa”; still another,“I follow Christ.”
13Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?
?

And why do you think 2000 years later you have a better idea of what aligns with God's Word than they did?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#410726 Dec 21, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>When Jesus walked this earth as a man, he had a physical body just as all other men. That body was not ever present. It was a physical body. Jesus' body could not be here and miles away and many places. That concept is clearly unbiblical.
So miracles are not biblical?
marge

Ames, IA

#410727 Dec 21, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus did not say "this is a symbol of My body and blood". If He did, that would be obvious.
He is God. Do you think it's impossible for Him to be there AND in the appearance of bread and wine?
But the time is coming--indeed it's here now--when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#410728 Dec 21, 2012
Michael wrote:
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...According to your scriptures this man of God Jesus preached Judiasm to his brethern of his day, performed dozens of miracles for thousands, witnessed by thousands more (christians only say) and they STILL! didn't believe in him, and 2,000 years later, the VAST MAJORITY of our world is still out on his authenticity.
A small select group of disgruntled jews with an agenda created the story of christianity, using customs/traditions of man/gods that came 1,000 years before, using the exact same elements (heaven/hell, prophecies, baptism, holy sacrificial meal, eternal salvation, all practiced previously, used a deadman as their leader so they could say and write whatever they wanted without any recourse. Joined up with powerman constantine who they knew would strong arm all the other christian groups into submission, found that family indoctrination was the way to go, and the rest is history.
BUSTED!
You're quite the historian Mike. lol.

Give me your theory as to what civilization would be like today had there been no Christianity.

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