Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Good point.
One problem however. The entire Christian movement depended on a misinterpretation of Jewish thought and belief ... example: King David and others were also referred to as "son of God," "always with God," etc., but in an entirely different sense than that which was applied to Jesus.
More....
There are numerous words in ancient Hebrew for "rule" as in "rule over."
When Genesis says that man shall rule over the other creates, the word used was "raja," which was better translated as "care for" or a very "benign and caring dominion."
I think you are right. Maybe we should look at what the OT verses really say. Maybe we should NOT be using this verse in Genesis as an excuse to desecrate so many species? Just a thought.
Good point.
Terrific Info. Thanx my friend
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"The inquisitorial trial generally favored the prosecution (the Church). Confessing 'in full' was the best hope of receiving a lighter punishment - but with little hope of escaping at least some punishment. And a 'full' confession was one which implicated others, including other family members. It was acceptable to take testimony from criminals, persons of bad reputation, excommunicated people, and convicted heretics. The inquisitor could keep a defendant in prison for years before the trial to obtain new information, and could return them to prison if he felt that the witness had not fully confessed."
Thank you Jesus. More...
"Torture could be used after 1252. On May 15, Pope Innocent IV issued a papal bull entitled Ad exstirpanda, which authorized the use of torture by inquisitors."
Yes!! Jesus had His vicar authorize torture.
"The inquisitions in combination with the brutal Albigensian Crusade were very successful in eliminating opposition and contrast to the Catholic institution. When they started, the other sects were quite strong and growing, but by the 14th century the Waldensians had been driven underground and the Cathars (no relation to Catholics) had been slaughtered en masse or forced to recant"
Jesus wants forced conversions or death.
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And some people in denial think that Jesus really appointed and guided this stuff.
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By today's standards this is cruel.

800 years from now, you eating a nice steak may be considered an accomplice to murder.
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There is MANY great problem WITH YOUR ASSUMPTIONS AND ALL YOUR RHETORIC
PROVES NOTHING..
it's not found in the Bible...
IT HAS NO SCRIPTURAL FOUNDATION...
WHAT IS NO FOUND IN THE BIBLE...
1. HAS NO ANOINTING.
2 IS NOT CONSECRATED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS..
3..WAS NOT WRITTEN BY TE TESTATOR THAT WROTE IT
AND
WALKED OUT THE WILL OF GOD..
4.IT IS NOT SIGNED WITH THE BLOOD OF JESUS
AND CANNOT BE APPROVED BY THE EXECUTOR OF GOD'S WILL
THE SAME ONE THAT AROSE FROM THE DEAD,
AND IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS WORTHY OF HIS POSITION.
5..DOES NOT LEAD TO ETERNAL LIFE WITH GOD IN CHRIST...
IT WAS ONCE SAID "ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME."
but your Roman Catholic Church ... is a dead end street.
Thank you for your opinion. Have a Merry Christmas.
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"Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:1:1 (c. A.D. 180).

"As Peter had preached the Word publicly at Rome, and declared the Gospel by the Spirit, many who were present requested that Mark, who had followed him for a long time and remembered his sayings, should write them out." Clement of Alexandria, fragment in Eusebius Church History, VI:14,6 (A.D. 190)

"It is, therefore, recorded that Paul was beheaded in Rome itself, and that Peter likewise was crucified under Nero. This account of Peter and Paul is substantiated by the fact that their names are preserved in the cemeteries of that place even to the present day. It is confirmed likewise by Caius, a member of the Church, who arose under Zephyrinus, bishop of Rome. He, in a published disputation with Proclus, the leader of the Phrygian heresy, speaks as follows concerning the places where the sacred corpses of the aforesaid apostles are laid:'But I can show the trophies of the apostles. For if you will go to the Vatican or to the Ostian way, you will find the trophies of those who laid the foundations of this church.'" Gaius, fragment in Eusebius' Church History, 2:25 (A.D. 198).

"Peter...at last, having come to Rome, he was crucified head-downwards; for he had requested that he might suffer this way." Origen, Third Commentary on Genesis,(A.D. 232).

"Thus Peter, the first of the Apostles, having been often apprehended, and thrown into prison, and treated with igominy, was last of all crucified at Rome." Peter of Alexandria, The Canonical Epistle, Canon 9 (A.D. 306).

"[W]hich Peter and Paul preached at Rome..." Lactantius, The Divine Institutes, 4:21 (A.D. 310).

"Peter...coming to the city of Rome, by the mighty cooperation of that power which was lying in wait there..." Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, II:14,5 (A.D. 325).

"This man [Simon Magus], after he had been cast out by the Apostles, came to Rome...Peter and Paul, a noble pair, chief rulers of the Church, arrived and set the error right...For Peter was there, who carrieth the keys of heaven..." Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures ,6:14-15 (c. A.D. 350).

"And Peter, who had hid himself for fear of the Jews, and the Apostle Paul who was let down in a basket, and fled, when they were told,'Ye must bear witness at Rome,' deferred not the journey; yea, rather, they departed rejoicing..." Athanasius, Defence of his Flight, 18 (c. A.D. 357).

"I think it my duty to consult the chair of Peter, and to turn to a church whose faith has been praised by Paul...My words are spoken to the successor of the fisherman, to the disciple of the cross." Jerome, To Pope Damasus, Epistle 15 (A.D. 377).

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We glory in Jesus, not in St. Peter.
Jesus said to St. Peter;
18 And I say to you: That you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
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18 And I say to you: That you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

I do not see the words (ROMAN CATHOLIC) anywhere in the above verse...

I do know that the Apostle Peter said

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ:(he is Lord of all:)

NO EARTHLY RELIGIOUS SOCIETY/DENOMINATION ON EARTH HAS EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS.DOMINION,.A FRANCHISE, OR MONOPOLY ON JESUS OR HIS WORD.

YOU ASSUME THAT THAT THE WALL OF THE VATICAN HOLD WITHIN THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN..

I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU..

Jesus said

Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Jesus is in the store front, or the lil church down the street..and you not your conglomerate have do no control His i ternary or agenda.

salvation is free to all

and your church does not hold the copy right

not the patent to God word or his plan of salvation.
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You wrote
18 And I say to you: That you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
I do not see the words (ROMAN CATHOLIC) anywhere in the above verse...
I do know that the Apostle Peter said
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ:(he is Lord of all:)
NO EARTHLY RELIGIOUS SOCIETY/DENOMINATION ON EARTH HAS EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS.DOMINION,.A FRANCHISE, OR MONOPOLY ON JESUS OR HIS WORD.
YOU ASSUME THAT THAT THE WALL OF THE VATICAN HOLD WITHIN THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN..
I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU..
Jesus said
Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Jesus is in the store front, or the lil church down the street..and you not your conglomerate have do no control His i ternary or agenda.
salvation is free to all
and your church does not hold the copy right
not the patent to God word or his plan of salvation.
Jesus said (not ME writing);

18 And I say to you: That you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
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we as alive church..is full of love as well suffering ..we love Jesus modern then you think..God is upon all of us ..he watching some very bad as well good who suffering too for his words.

I know you don't liked me..but i am full of courage ..words by words..my tears going now..constantly all time even when i don't cry..my sorrow is some great as love too.
Liars as well corupt world will be some.
Everything as they wish to be rich..Everything as they want for his holy day is be drunk foolish as full of food but mouth full of liars.
They liked be powerful but grab as they grab job in hand where people pray and please for freedom.

Forgive our sins dear Jesus .. words long time ago
is some as always been trough spiritual eternity.

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Jesus said (not ME writing);
18 And I say to you: That you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
The above is for the whole body of Christ...

not just you pagan religious society...that has mad t terrible distorted mess of things..

you claim first exclusive rights...

Jesus said

Mat_19:30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

Mat_20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
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and you will dash your shoes from that rock don't you..

Are you liar to holy Spirit?

After prayers I go to sleep..then after I don't know where bring me or who bring me..Did I see something/
no
I see only fast opening door as flaying with me..yes who open doors from that church..its not me..but when I entering church is been empty..i remember ..I stop from right side then watch white Altar..yes i see my face like today..then stop..but not for so long..i see automatically..who bring me there after Altar..oh I say..I have white dress i stay on Altar as Priest..oh my lovely and only God.
White spiritual dress.

If you are victim..pray represent your prayers..God ..real God always listening as well looking.
Forgive our sin wash us clean us..
pray don't be afraid..o if you cry does meter..if you shout does meter..Did you know when you shouting as trumpet its as justice upon someone who do something wrong.
Don't worry about that..yes yes yes our lovely God listening.
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who="Aviela" Those wars could of been prevented if the Jewish had listened like they were suppose too. They were called stiff neck. They would not listen to Jehovah and get themselves in trouble with the pagan nations then would come running to God to help them win the wars. He would help them...they would win...sooner than later they would go back to their bad behavior and forget how he would save them. After Jesus died ..they were no longer his chosen people because the Jews rejected Jesus as Jehovah's son..and so he opened the way for the gentiles to worship him.
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Jews are not God's 'chosen' people because He likes them better than others; but simply 'chosen' for Him to use to prove that He is a loving, promise-keeping, provisional Father. He did that; pagans around the world know that Jesus is the promised Jewish Messiah.
But God's plan is not just to redeem the Jews. His aim is to redeem ALL who will come to Him. The Jews are in a time-warp...a sort of holding pattern until the time of the Gentiles is filled up. God said that they would have eyes that saw not, and ears that hear not. As a nation, they cannot 'see' Jesus. They expected a KING, born to the King and Queen. When a baby was born in a stable, they were stunned.
God has NOT FORSAKEN His promise to the Jews, nor will He. They are just 'reserved' for a time appointed, when ALL of the righteous dead will be changed. Paul assures us that ALL of them will be saved.
God has a long-term plan that will redeem all of the righteous. He is raising up A body for Himself...and 'all of its parts' will be complete when He returns for us.
KayMarie
They WERE his chosen people. NOT anymore.
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The Jews did not accept Jesus as their saviour. They wanted a rich king. Not some humble man ridding around on a donkey.
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I born in small as well poor province as you can describe on your English language wilderness..but i been born from good parents who teach me as well i follow them..my father have only holiday as CROSS i did not see smile on his face but i see exception of his suffering for us..
foot by foot step by step I follow my father on field my forefathers as well fore mothers collecting wheath as small poor child..but follow him because I love him very much.
My father field is been beutifull, bread from his wheat is been modern then sweet..we not be hungry we been bless with him.
I born from good sorrowful mother..mother which reject everything for us kids..her prayers teach me always remind me some ''Her Foot as zavite without shoes is as convent in prayers to Jesus Christ for us..i follow every step by step Foot of Jesus with deep tears no better love what you done for us as well never better love as we know when we follow your step as zavite as convent with you.

So what?!
Are you going to be good for me or not its nothing for me?
I know Jesus love us.
Simple like that.
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Snow storm here we even had thunder snow:)
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By today's standards this is cruel.
800 years from now, you eating a nice steak may be considered an accomplice to murder.
So you are saying that God's morals are not timeless or universal -- but subject to the standards of man at the time.

That's Rationalization 101.

Don't get me wrong, compared to the SB, the RCC makes sense.

But to post under this board's title is another story.

Merry Christmas
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A shelf life?
That's poetic in a way.
Perhaps they will heed Michael's warning and change their evil ways.
Doubtful, but one can hope.
I am here to help. They just don't understand that.

One day they will be thanking us, but we don't need thanks, we just need to keep them all honest.
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There are many scriptures that support that Natural Jews today are no longer God's choosen people. Here is just one of them.

Mattew. 21: 42, 43: "Jesus said to them (the cheif priest and the older men of the Jews in Jerusalem)'Did you never read in the Scriptures, "The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief corner stone. From Jehovah this has come to be, and its is marvelous in our eyes"? This is why I say to you, The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits."
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This Christmas i have only small present from my son..few dollars..but have meaning..i decided not have Tree this year..but i have
''tiny angel cover up with wings as lamp as Ark convent as Zavite'' I put altogether with photo as he is been small boy where beautiful pure light appiering.
O dear God keep smile my boy its been call as silence over my heart my tears go now.Thanks for that day for your light as shine convent upon my family as well house where i reside.
No better love that i can fill from heart of my Son who never mist bring meaning of life as well full love for his mother.
I don't fill shame wrote this.

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Medieval Inquisition
Punishment
Among the possible punishments were prayer, pilgrimage, wearing a yellow cross for life, banishment, public recantation, or, occasionally, long-term imprisonment. The unrepentant and apostates could be "relaxed" to secular authority, however, opening the convicted to the possibility of various corporal punishments, up to and including being burned at the stake. Execution was neither performed by the Church, nor was it a sentence available to the officials involved in the inquisition, who, as clerics, were forbidden to kill. The accused also faced the possibility that his or her property might be confiscated. In some cases, accusers may have been motivated by a desire to take the property of the accused, though this is a difficult assertion to prove in the majority of areas where the inquisition was active, as the inquisition had several layers of oversight built into its framework in a specific attempt to limit prosecutorial misconduct.
The inquisitors generally preferred not to hand over heretics to the secular arm for execution if they could persuade the heretic to repent: Ecclesia non novit sanguinem. For example, Bernard Gui, a famous inquisitor working in the area of Carcassonne (in modern France), executed 42 people out of over 900 guilty verdicts in fifteen years of office. Execution was to admit defeat, that the Church was unable to save a soul from imagined heresy, which was the goal of the inquisition.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Inquisi...

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Thank you for presenting this. Is there ANY way that you can approve of:

(1)That shameful yellow cross, or,
(2)Banishment, or,
(3)Imprisonment, or (other)

Of people whose 'sin' was not believing the same as the CC ???

Can you imagine the (I can't think of a word...gall, maybe?) of a 'church' that serves God Who IS Love, that would turn one of their dissidents over to a secular government for 'inquisition', KNOWING that the likely end was death?

So, they wouldn't do it, IF they could persuade the 'heretic' to REPENT? Who is to decide who the 'heretic' is, here? The commandment is, "Thou SHALT NOT KILL." One who delivers another to his death is as guilty as the executioner. I see the torturer and/or murderer as the real heretic.

Our Savior said, "Come unto Me, all you that labor, and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." "I am come that they might have LIFE, and have it more abundantly." "God did NOT send His Son into the world to condemn the world."

Islam's followers kill their dissidents (infidels)...unless they will recant and accept Islam. Or bow themselves and pay a tax to them. Sounds like the same plan: YOU do as I say...OR ELSE!

That famous inquisitor...was he supposed to be merciful in executing ONLY 42 people?(The other 858 ONLY have to go to prison?)

I assume that since you presented this, you think it to be acceptable?

MERCY !!!
KayMarie
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Jim Tilley wrote:
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Dear Elizabeth: I was a good boy until I reached 13; brought up Roman Catholic, and as often, a Dad who was so bright he was a perfectionist, and so you know what I went through! His orders: I was to grow up to be either a doctor (it would be good to specialize, or be a priest, for the family's sake), or a priest, and most do not know, a priest in the family virtually admits all of the family to heaven. Few know this today, but thought/taught then.
At 13 however, I stumbled and fell hard, and left the denomination, and throwing out the baby with the bathwater, I also left Christianity, because of the very same reason you note of above! I thought, because RCC is the only True Church instituted by Christ to give grace to anyone, and always by a priest, well, I do love this older lady so very much, and she knows so much about things I knew absolutely nothing about at 13 some years ago, when nearly all my age, knew little to nothing! Now you know I am over 100!
At 25, having had a very bold and sinful live to that date, mainly because of my having had much money, done all I could think to do, and was fully wide awake to the nothingness of life here, I was in the process of planning suicide in the new year.
The One I had left behind, knew before I became a teenager, I truly did love Him, and His Son, Christ, and He sent to me, a wild and crazy guy a few years ago, we were really good friends, but he was a new man, and began to tell me about Christ, One I thought I knew a lot about once, but that was picky memory, you know!
Jim......if you ever come into more money again just let me know and I will get rid of it for you to keep you on track.

The love of money is the root of all evil, so remember Michael and he will dispose of what you don't want.

I hate money, so anyone with too much send it to me and I will gladly get rid of it for you. Its evil!

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Crusades
The Crusades were a series of religious expeditionary wars blessed by Pope Urban II and the Catholic Church, with the stated goal of restoring Christian access to the holy places in and near Jerusalem. Jerusalem was and is a sacred city and symbol of all three major Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity and Islam).[1] The background to the Crusades was set when the Seljuk Turks decisively defeated the Byzantine army in 1071 and cut off Christian access to Jerusalem. The Byzantine emperor, Alexis I, feared that all Asia Minor would be overrun. He called on western Christian leaders and the papacy to come to the aid of Constantinople by undertaking a pilgrimage or a crusade that would free Jerusalem from Muslim rule.[2] Another cause was the destruction of many Christian sacred sites and the persecution of Christians under the Fatimid caliph Al-Hakim.
The crusaders comprised military units of Roman Catholics from all over western Europe, and were not under unified command. The main series of Crusades, primarily against Muslims in the Levant, occurred between 1095 and 1291. Historians have given many of the earlier crusades numbers. After some early successes, the later crusades failed and the crusaders were defeated and forced to return home. Several hundred thousand soldiers became Crusaders by taking vows;[3] the Pope granted them plenary indulgence. Their emblem was the cross the term "crusade" is derived from the French term for taking up the cross. Many were from France and called themselves "Franks," which became the common term used by Muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
(LOL) I am sure you are giving us the CATHOLIC VERSION.

Does Ford tell everyone they have bad cars? Would the catholic church ever claim the Crusades and Inquisition did wrong doings?

A few years later hundreds of millions of catholics walked away from the church. Why? Corruption, wrong doings, clergy abuse etc.


Come On Anthony, you're killing me!........lol!

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