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preston

Waverly, OH

#409471 Dec 14, 2012
hope you like this one.PAD.

Billy Graham has raised up two sons Ned and Franklin who are as deceitful as their father. Ned Graham, the son of Billy Graham, Southern Baptist minister, president East Gates International, a group that distributes Bibles in China told Christianity Today in an interview that he had abused alcohol and spent an "inappropriate amount of time" with two women on his staff.
Grace Community Church, Southern Baptist Convention, in Auburn, Washington--which counted Ned Graham, his wife, and their two sons as members established the fact that Ned Graham was an adulterer, alcoholic, wife abuser, and drug user and revoked Graham's ministerial credentials. It directed Graham to stop using the title reverend.
Yet in a style reminiscent of Jimmy Swaggart, who refused to be defrocked by the Assembly of God denomination, Ned Graham left that congregation for another church.
Most of the staff and board members of East Gates International resigned amid controversies. East Gates, in Sumner, Wash., withdrew its membership in the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability after Ned replaced the board members with his sister Ruth Graham McIntyre, brother-in-law Stephan Tchividjian, and business leader Peter Lowe.
Graham's sister Gigi Tchividjian has joined the office staff and Ned Graham continues as East Gates president. The ECFA the self-policing organization Billy Graham helped start requires that a majority of board members not be related by blood or marriage, which is no longer the case for East Gates. Nepotism is alive and well in Evangelical ministries?
A December East Gates fund-raising letter included a note from his father saying that "Ruth and I are proud of and grateful to God for our son Ned." East Gates has distributed 2 million Bibles to Christians in China, Billy Graham said, encouraging Christians to "back this unique and effective ministry."
It is interesting to see the most famous "evangelist" (some say) not being able to educate his children, especially Ned. At the same time, having a bunch of so-called Christians following the leadership of such wreckless person. Franklin Graham wears jeans, boots, denim shirt, and leather jacket. He was a teen rebel who drank, smoked, fought, and led police on high-speed chases. He was kicked out of LeTourneau College. He used to be a rebel and a 'bum' got religion and become more sophisticated and formed "the Samaritan's Purse' so that he can fly around the country and charge things to his non-profit corporation. As a result his ministry, Samaritan's Purse, had a run-in with the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability. The ECFA suspended Samaritan's Purse while it looked into Franklin's (Graham) compensation and use of the company plane.
Although Billy Graham encourages religious leaders to be open about their salaries and publish their finances none of the Grahams reveal their total compensation nor release their personal income tax as President Bush does and former President Clinton has done. It's the law of the land that all non profit chairman of corporations must reveal their total salary and that Billy, Ned and Franklin do not to their donors speak volumes of their hypocrisy?
Yes, Jesus told us to beware of hypcrites like Dr. Billy Graham.
Wally Duncaster
preston

Waverly, OH

#409472 Dec 14, 2012
It seemed impossible, when H. R. Haldeman's White House diaries came out in 1994, that the Rev. Billy Graham could once have joined with President Richard M. Nixon in discussing the "total Jewish domination of the media." Could Mr. Graham, the great American evangelist, really have said the nation's problem lies with "satanic Jews," as Mr. Nixon's aide recorded?

Mr. Graham's sterling reputation as a healer and bridge-builder was so at odds with Mr. Haldeman's account that Jewish groups paid little attention, especially because he denied the remarks so strongly.
"Those are not my words," Mr. Graham said in a public statement in May 1994. "I have never talked publicly or privately about the Jewish people, including conversations with President Nixon, except in the most positive terms."

That was the end of the story, it seemed, until two weeks ago, when the tape of that 1972 conversation in the Oval Office was made public by the National Archives. Three decades after it was recorded, the North Carolina preacher's famous drawl is tinny but unmistakable on the tape, denigrating Jews in terms far stronger than the diary accounts.

"They're the ones putting out the pornographic stuff," Mr. Graham said on the tape, after agreeing with Mr. Nixon that left-wing Jews dominate the news media. The Jewish "stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's going down the drain," he continued, suggesting that if Mr. Nixon were re-elected, "then we might be able to do something."

Finally, Mr. Graham said that Jews did not know his true feelings about them.

"I go and I keep friends with Mr. Rosenthal at The New York Times and people of that sort, you know," he told Mr. Nixon, referring to A. M. Rosenthal, then the newspaper's executive editor. "And all ó I mean, not all the Jews, but a lot of the Jews are great friends of mine, they swarm around me and are friendly to me because they know that I'm friendly with Israel. But they don't know how I really feel about what they are doing to this country. And I have no power, no way to handle them, but I would stand up if under proper circumstances."
Mr. Graham, who is now 83 and in poor health, quickly issued a four- sentence apology, but he did not acknowledge making the statements and said he had no memory of the conversation, which took place after a prayer breakfast on Feb. 1, 1972.[1]

The comments were all the more stinging because Graham had long been considered a staunch friend of the Jewish people. He lobbied for freer emigration of Soviet Jews, castigated Southern Baptists for singling out Jews for conversion and has long supported the state of Israel. When the tapes first surfaced, Graham issued an apology but said he couldn't remember making the comments.[2]

Billy Graham could claim to be a spokesman for Christianity all he wants, but what he said was and is not God and God let him be seen for what he is, a hypocrite and racist. Now Billy Graham will have to answer to God for his lies and cover up and will go down in history for what he was, an evangelist who hated Jews, but itís a warning that no one is safe from being exposed for things said or done in secret.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#409473 Dec 14, 2012
preston wrote:
Letter from Billy Graham to Jean Dixon supplied by Alice Bremmer, Personal assistant to Dixon for many years:
Begin letter
BILLY GRAHAM
Dear Mrs. Dixon:
Thank you for your good letter of February 18,(year unknown). I am sorry for the delay in answering, but I have been in the West Indies and am leaving in a few days for Puerto Rico where I will be conducting a series of meetings.
Indeed, my wife and I have followed your writings with the greatest possible interest. In several of my sermons I have quoted from A GIFT OF PROPHECY. We have heard from several mutual friends that you are indeed a woman of God, and we thank God for you.
Recently, in Jamaica, we became acquainted with Mr. and Mrs. Buchanan, whom I believe you know. They have promised to give us the joy and thrill of meeting you on some future trip to Washington. The Jean Dixon Special Receipt is excellent.
With warmest personal greetings, I am
Cordially Yours,
Billy Graham
End of letter
Satanic prophet and fortune teller Jean Dixon recently went to her reward, and she was warmly received I am sure. How is it that Jean Dixon was "a woman of God" to Billy Graham? He had to know her preference for Satan over Jehovah.
this guy is really retarded, reminds me of LTM
~~~

You work feverishly to destroy what ever confidence that any one would have in OTHERS IN Christianity...WITH YOUR WICKED EXPOSE'

ATTEMPTING TO DESTROY THEIR CONFIDENCE IN OTHERS... LEAVING THEM IN A VACUUM

Just keep in mind..

That Jesus said....

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

YOUR TURN BEFORE THE JUDGE IS COMING...

Luk_12:3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

WHEN GOD RATTLES THE SKELETONS IN YOUR CLOSET, THERE WILL BE NO MERCY
SHOWN TO YOU...

HE SAID...

Mat_5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

YOU ARE ONE UNMERCIFUL WICKED PERSON...WITH YOUR TABLOID GOSSIP COLUMN.

Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

NOTE

Jas 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy,

that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

___

IT IS SAID OF JESUS

Heb_2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#409474 Dec 14, 2012
.... My deepest sympathys to the victims and their families in CT.



Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#409475 Dec 14, 2012
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
So I was right on how you spend your day.
This is a Topix board. Obviously, you don't agree with his points.

As petty insults your only retort, he must be presenting an uncomfortable truth.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#409476 Dec 14, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Instead of posting back all upset, just push the IGNORE button.
Not upset Michael. Just want everyone to know what a sick little man he is.lol I think most thinking people know. BTW, where is an ignor botton?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#409477 Dec 14, 2012
Michael wrote:
Michael says....the catholic hierarchy continues to make itself an embarrassing media spectacle, in a society today, that long ago refused to accept the teaching on birth control, stands up for and believes in women's equality, and increasingly supports same-sex marriage as now voted on and allowed in many states.
....Cathoic Church leaders seem hell-bent on disenfranchising the greatest number of laity possible.
The church leaders should be commended, as they are doing a great job at this.
Is the roman catholic church too big to fail?
They are doing their damndest to try anyway!
UNBELIEVABLE!
So you think the problems in today's society are the result of the Catholic Church's refusal to condone abortion, birth control and gay marriage.

It seems to me Mike that when one considers the long term effect of such a society, the Catholic Church is doing the correct thing for purposes of self preservation. If all your gay friends get married, all of your feminist friends use birth control and have a bunch of abortions, it will take maybe a generation or two for your crowd to die out. Keep pushing your agenda Mike, it helps the Church!!!
preston

Waverly, OH

#409478 Dec 14, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
You work feverishly to destroy what ever confidence that any one would have in OTHERS IN Christianity...WITH YOUR WICKED EXPOSE'
ATTEMPTING TO DESTROY THEIR CONFIDENCE IN OTHERS... LEAVING THEM IN A VACUUM
Just keep in mind..
That Jesus said....
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
YOUR TURN BEFORE THE JUDGE IS COMING...
Luk_12:3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.
WHEN GOD RATTLES THE SKELETONS IN YOUR CLOSET, THERE WILL BE NO MERCY
SHOWN TO YOU...
HE SAID...
Mat_5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
YOU ARE ONE UNMERCIFUL WICKED PERSON...WITH YOUR TABLOID GOSSIP COLUMN.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
NOTE
Jas 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy,
that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
___
IT IS SAID OF JESUS
Heb_2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
it also is written that if you judge, then give a rightous judgement. idiots like you try to silence people and people like me aint afraid of charlatans like you.HOW ABOUT THAT? MR FRAUD.

these words were written years ago by people that have known how much of a fraud(like you) that he really was and is.

as it is written, be sure your sins will find you out.

just as God allowed me to find out how fraudulent that you are.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#409479 Dec 14, 2012
Pad wrote:
I am convinced more than ever that persecution is the only thing that will separate the sheep from the goats. If those believers in prisons,and labor camps in various countries hostile to Christ,believed that it does not matter what you believe in the way of religion,if you are good and believe you can have Christ,even if you never know or hear His Name,than why suffer in prison or a re-education camp?
Buddhists in Myanmar are persecuting the Karen Christians,what is the point of being persecuted for Christ,if in fact those Buddhists do not really need to hear the Gospel?
If what Billy Graham said in the interview with Robert Schuller is true,than all those believers who languish in prisons and labor camps for preaching Christ,are wasting their time.Besides it is not our role on this earth to declare who is saved and who is not,but to present the Gospel of Christ,which shows men how to be saved.
I cannot even judge Billy Graham here,and his words will have to be judged by God alone.Only God our Father is JUDGE,and we cannot condemn any man or woman.
The Gospel declares that Jesus Christ died for all human beings,and that they should be given the opportunity to receive Him by faith,but they need to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins.The challenge for all human beings is to take the risk and follow Christ,in order to find out about His salvation.Unless people do such,they will die in their sins.
Pad good friend

I know what you mean, but I think we must expand our definition of being a Christian into more metaphysical surroundings....

More or less, people of faith are going to be those promised to Abraham in Gen12:1-3(...in you all families of the earth shall be blessed.). And these go to Abraham's bosom, and are continuing to do so to this day.

So we must be more inclusive as to who is saved by God....Now those that hear the message, and ignore, or reject it is one thing. But for instance, if a Christian sees in another, poor in spirit, yet being pitiful, hurt, but living by faith, and being charitable with the things he owns, is that not the Image of God?

Before we think badly of some preacher, such as Billy Graham because of his beliefs, and experience, we need much introspection as to how much we are a service to the Kingdom of God.

Christianity is not some group in this world....There are plenty of those to go around, be they individuals, clans, tribes, nations, religions, empires, kingdoms. So Christiantiy needn't and doesn't act like other groups of people. It does not need anything but God, and His Grace. And for those persecuted for the sake of the Kingdom of God, we pray for, and share in their sufferings. It is not other religions that persecute, rather it is the world, and those of the world.

I think faith is inclusive, and not exclusive....For Christians must be known by their love, and not their abilities, and accomplishments in this world.
preston

Waverly, OH

#409480 Dec 14, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Not upset Michael. Just want everyone to know what a sick little man he is.lol I think most thinking people know. BTW, where is an ignor botton?
a sick little man would hide behind a troll nick like oddjg.

so how did you know that he was gone?

it would seem that you have to know him to know that he is gone.and if you know him, then you are probably are him.and if you are him, then it is you that called karen a Bxxxx.

4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>So lets all go back a year ago and see if we can find something to attack. That is all you are about PERCY. You are really pathetic. OddJG is not even here any more an yet you continue to attack and condemn.
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#409481 Dec 14, 2012
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
When I went to catechism class, there was no salvation for Protestants.
**Who cares..why does that bother you? Doesn't bother me.
Heck - the Pope had to make a special rule for JFK, so he could attend Protestant churches even if just for ceremonial or political purposes.
**what does this have to do with our discussion?
Yep, not so long ago, Prots were next to the devil and the Jews killed Jesus.
**No they are and no they didn't.
This is a Topix Board. Why are you so angry and full of insults.

Michael and I share what we were taught in our RCC churches. Yes, much has changed since the 60's and early 70's, but that doesn't change historical facts.

You claimed in effect that you never encountered any animosity towards Protestants. I encountered plenty and noted that Catholics weren't even allowed to attend a Protestant church -- by pointing out that the Pope had to make an exception for JFK.

That's not exactly embracing Protestants as Christian brothers.

I guess you just don't make a connection.

PS -- my young Protestant friends had no restrictions on attending RCC Mass with me, but I couldn't reciprocate. I used to wonder what the RCC had to fear?

On topic, no real one-true church would ever need to fear competing ideas.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#409482 Dec 14, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Pad good friend
I know what you mean, but I think we must expand our definition of being a Christian into more metaphysical surroundings....
More or less, people of faith are going to be those promised to Abraham in Gen12:1-3(...in you all families of the earth shall be blessed.). And these go to Abraham's bosom, and are continuing to do so to this day.
So we must be more inclusive as to who is saved by God....Now those that hear the message, and ignore, or reject it is one thing. But for instance, if a Christian sees in another, poor in spirit, yet being pitiful, hurt, but living by faith, and being charitable with the things he owns, is that not the Image of God?
Before we think badly of some preacher, such as Billy Graham because of his beliefs, and experience, we need much introspection as to how much we are a service to the Kingdom of God.
Christianity is not some group in this world....There are plenty of those to go around, be they individuals, clans, tribes, nations, religions, empires, kingdoms. So Christiantiy needn't and doesn't act like other groups of people. It does not need anything but God, and His Grace. And for those persecuted for the sake of the Kingdom of God, we pray for, and share in their sufferings. It is not other religions that persecute, rather it is the world, and those of the world.
I think faith is inclusive, and not exclusive....For Christians must be known by their love, and not their abilities, and accomplishments in this world.
Robert, darlin'- I hope your holidays are happy, peaceful and safe.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#409483 Dec 14, 2012
who="Michael"
Believing there is an invisible man somewhere?? up in the clouds above, all day long looking down smiling at his creation, needs a lot more than religion (lol)
An invisible man creates 10 rules that you must follow. If you don't follow even one of these rules and say you are sorry, the the inivisble man after you die will send your soul to a fire pit of heat and flames, torture, more heat, pain and suffering..........but this invisible man loves you!
UNBELIEVABLE!

**********

There IS a God that you cannot see, because our vision cannot manage it.
Your physical eyes can only see about 3 % of the available light.

What is so bad about creating people who are capable of living/doing good, then judging them by whether they can/will do what they are designated to do. If they are wicked (I don't mean accidentally run a traffic light), what would be wrong about keeping them out of heaven.
He has given US the choice. I can't think of one more wicked that the one who would reject that choice. Do you want to spend eternity with Hitler...and a few others I could mention? I don't.

KayMarie

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#409484 Dec 14, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>God loves all that He created,remember,"He created .........and saw that it was good." He created Lucifer,the Top Angel of praise and worship,Lucifer's body was like instruments. Lucifer made the choice to rebel,and in doing so he committed the greatest sin against his Creator,the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.There is no salvation for Satan and his fallen angels(demons).So Graham is not wrong for saying what he did to Larry King.Besides are we to read into the emotions of God anyway? He creates,but He also allows destruction to come to what He created.
Pad good friend

Yes. I agree with you and B.G. here, that God made everything good. Even Lucifer was brilliant, and can appear as such today. What we may surmise though is that God created angels to have free-will as well humanity. It is just that they are in the eternal realm, yet they may influence the world, and may by God's Will, He permits them to interact with humanity.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#409485 Dec 14, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Terrible about that Sandy Hook School in Connecticut.18 children and 8 adults were shot.26 dead.
Elementary School,what a horrible time we are living in. It seems that everyday in the news there is serial killing.Nothing less than demon possession.Tired of the mental case,poor childhood plea,but these kinds of individuals plot and scheme,calculate.
Thank you for the blessing.Have to run!
Pad good friend

I am sorry to hear there was another tragedy....I will pray for them....Be safe. God's blessings on you.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#409486 Dec 14, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
Robert, darlin'- I hope your holidays are happy, peaceful and safe.
Sherlayne good friend

And to you as well....
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#409487 Dec 14, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Pad good friend
I know what you mean, but I think we must expand our definition of being a Christian into more metaphysical surroundings....
More or less, people of faith are going to be those promised to Abraham in Gen12:1-3(...in you all families of the earth shall be blessed.). And these go to Abraham's bosom, and are continuing to do so to this day.
So we must be more inclusive as to who is saved by God....Now those that hear the message, and ignore, or reject it is one thing. But for instance, if a Christian sees in another, poor in spirit, yet being pitiful, hurt, but living by faith, and being charitable with the things he owns, is that not the Image of God?
Before we think badly of some preacher, such as Billy Graham because of his beliefs, and experience, we need much introspection as to how much we are a service to the Kingdom of God.
Christianity is not some group in this world....There are plenty of those to go around, be they individuals, clans, tribes, nations, religions, empires, kingdoms. So Christiantiy needn't and doesn't act like other groups of people. It does not need anything but God, and His Grace. And for those persecuted for the sake of the Kingdom of God, we pray for, and share in their sufferings. It is not other religions that persecute, rather it is the world, and those of the world.
I think faith is inclusive, and not exclusive....For Christians must be known by their love, and not their abilities, and accomplishments in this world.
If you truly believe we must be more inclusive as to who is saved by God, then why be Catholic?

The RCC even today has a very narrow view.

http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/Is%2...

Speaking of non-Catholics -- "to obtain salvation under those conditions is very difficult."

In other words, the RCC now graciously admits that a Protestant might go to Heaven, because in the end, it's all up to God -- but the RCC today says it is very difficult.

Wow, that's enlightened. 500 years ago, it was impossible.

Get real -- like the Highest Power in the Universe really cares into which religion you were indoctrinated?

Despite all the double-speak, that's still the fundamental RCC position.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#409488 Dec 14, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Herme good friend
I have read "The Ladder". It was during my more mystical walk with God. It is great practical and reference material....I should get my copy out again...,Thanks for reminding me.
I am so impressed that you read The Ladder.Most have never heard of it. I do believe we are kindred spirts

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#409489 Dec 14, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Please pray for my family members...as they are not far from the shooting....
I called my sister-in-law and she is at my nephew's school trying to get him out as they are on lock down....
I would really appreciate everyone's prayers...
Sorry your family has to go through this ordeal. They will have my and Seraphima's prayers.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#409490 Dec 14, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
==>The greatest pain that Jesus bore was when,...
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and
==>the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. <==
Actors can attempt to portray the beatings, and most all the other sufferings that Jesus went through...
But there is no person existing (or ever will exist) that can portray,
what JESUS SUFFERED,.......
when God laid upon Him the iniquity of all man kind
from Adam to the Last soul that will be Born Again upon the earth
BEFORE GOD SHUTS THE DOOR ETERNALLY.
I never thought of it that way. Thanks and be well.

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