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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Dec 06

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#409637 Dec 15, 2012
Michael wrote:
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Robert.....
....Are you not celebrating "HAPPY FESTIVUS" on December 23rd?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =c8g4Ztf7hIMXX
...Bummer!
Michael

I will leave that one for you....
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#409638 Dec 15, 2012
4GVN wrote:
If a person sticks a little plastic figure on the dashboard of thier car and believes that this little plastic figure has ANY ability to keep one safe, is that Idolatry?
I thought about you all today when I was washing the statues at the Cathedral of Saint Paul.
I thought how in the world do these ignorant fools think we worship this marble carving?
The answer is: you desperately want to believe we do - to further separate yourselves from the Church,due to ignorant paranoid brainwashing.
You want to believe it so bad, you're willing to isolate a line from the ten commandments and pretend God is making a blanket statement about statues in general or paintings, wood carvings and photographs I assume....
well, you're idiots. Any 5th grader can read Exodus and figure out God's intentions.
Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
atemcowboy

Athens, OH

#409639 Dec 15, 2012
for gif who defends billy graham.
Morals and Dogma, 28th Degree, called Knight of the Sun, or Prince Adept, Page771-772
NIGHT OF THE SUN, OR PRINCE ADEPT
[ This editor's notes are in these brackets.]
Unity can only be manifested by the Binary. Unity itself and the idea of Unity are already two. The human unity is made complete by the right and left. The primitive man was of both sexes. The Divinity, one in its essence, has two essential conditions as fundamental bases of its existence--Necessity and Liberty.
The laws of the Supreme Reason necessitate and regulate liberty in God, who is necessarily reasonable and wise.
Knowledge supposes the binary. An object known is indispensable to the being that knows.
The binary is the generator of Society and the law. It is also the number of the gnosis, a word adopted in lieu of Science and expressing only the idea of cognizance by intuition. It is Unity, multiplying itself by itself to create; and therefore it is that the Sacred Symbols make Eve issue from the very chest of Adam.
Adam is the human Tetragram, which is summed up in the' mysterious Yod of the Kabalah, image of the Kabalistic Phallus. Add to this Yod [ Phallus ], the ternary name of Eve, and you form the name of Jehovah, the Divine Tetragramn, the transcendent Kabalistic and magical word:
[ What follows is ALL sexual and filthy.]
http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Misc/Graham3.h...
now a denial from grahams cohorts.
Both of these web sites reported that Mr. Graham was one of their "Famous Masons". Since that time both have removed his name from the list. We reported this information to our readers, because, if Mr. Graham is a Freemason, then the faith in him and his ministry, which is shared by millions of Christians worldwide, is misplaced, to say the least. Therefore, we reported that Mr. Graham was listed on these Web pages as one of the "Famous Masons". A firestorm ensued, and it was a fire that burned at both ends. We heard from many of our readers, as most of them were irate that we would "attack" a Christian brother.We have received this response from Don Kinde, answering these three questions; and then Mr. Kinde went a bit further in supplying information. In this response, Don Kinde of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association categorically denied that Mr. Graham was a Freemason. We reprint this email in its entirety.
"Dear ----,
Thank you for your e-mail message regarding Freemasonry. My answer was to the question of Dr. Graham's view of and involvement with Freemasonry. I will respond to your three questions:
1. BGEA does not have an official position on Freemasonry. Mr. Graham's response that he is not, has not, and does not expect ever to be involved in Freemasonry is as close to any policy that we have.
We are still troubled by the many actions of the BGEA, but we do accept Mr. Graham's denial that he is a Freemason9(billy graham is not making this denial.lol, his cohort is)BIG DIFFERENCE
http://www.cephasministry.com/n1099.html
ME; OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO SAY THAT HE IS, ETC. THEY HAVE LIED FOR HIM IN THE PAST.AND WITH THE BAD PULICITY, OF COURSE, THE LODGES WOULD REMOVE HIS NAME IF HE WOULD REQUEST THEM TO DO FOR THE MASONS DO NOT WISH ANY NEGATIVE PUBLICITY. AGAIN, THIS DENIAL DID NOT COME FROM BILLY GRAHAM AS IT SHOULD HAVE.
atemcowboy

Athens, OH

#409640 Dec 15, 2012
CONTINUED; I HAVE TO SNIP ALOT.

Please note that there are four articles that discuss Mr. Graham. We suggest that you also read the other three which include News 1098, News 1083 and News 1082.



In NEWS1082, we reported that the Louisiana Masonic Family, and the Genesee Lodge No. 174, had both listed Mr. Graham as a Freemason. Both of these Masonic Web Sites are official Freemasonry sites, as you can see for yourself by going to their home pages.

Louisiana Masonic Family -- http://www.la-mason.com/index.htm (Home Page) Louisiana Masonic Family -- http://www.la-mason.com/famous.htm (Famous Masons Page)

[We have now discovered that both of these Masonic Lodge Web Sites have removed Mr. Graham as one of their "Famous Masons". So, it seems settled that he is not. Evidently, they were lying in the first place.]SURELY NOT.

The Illuminati have since time past conspired to establish a New World Order. To achieve this goal, 3 main areas are to be infiltrated and throughly subverted.

One World Government
One World Religion
One World Economy
It is by placing key 33rd degree Freemasons at the apex of political, religious and economic instutions that their satanic goals can succeed. Billy Graham has been selected and used by the Illuminati to work to bring about a One World Global Church based at the Vatican.

This exposure of Billy Graham's Masonic links will include

An ex-Freemason's testimony of Billy Graham attending his 33rd Degree Masonic initiation
Billy Graham's endorsement of a Masonic youth group.
Billy Graham being praised by many 33rd Degree Masons and receiving awards from them
Robert Morey's knowledge of Billy Grahams Masonic File
Freemasons that are employed by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association
Billy Graham gets nearly 1 million dollars from a New Age Occultist
Billy Graham on Famous Freemason list done by Masonic Grand Lodges
Billy Graham endorsing and helping other 33rd Degree Freemasons such as Oral Roberts, Robert Schuller and Norman Vincent Peale.
Billy Graham receives award from a powerful Masonic Lodge
Billy Graham receives award from a Masonic University
33rd Degree Freemasons Mark Hatfield and Jesse Jackson help Billy Graham
Billy Graham attended a Freemasons only meeting (eyewitness evidence)
BGEA hires Freemasons to help with a crusade
Billy Graham And Norman Vincent Peale Believe That Jesus Christ Lied
Numerous other Masonic/Satanic/New World Order connections..........
Most of the above evidence will be posted soon with evidence and documentation.


URGENT INFORMATION
The Cutting Edge Website has been deceived by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. They now say the Graham is not a Freemason when I have placed heaps of evidence that show he really is. Please come in here for the latest information.


LOL

THIS MAN IS A MASON AND A HIGH MEMBER OF GRAHAMS CLIQUE.

"Regarding the issue of beliefs, in A CONCISE DICTIONARY OF CULTS & RELIGIONS

by William Watson (Moody, 1991), the following information about Freemasonry is given:

The Genesee Lodge No. 174 -- www.gl-mi.org/lodges/genesee-174 (Home Page) The Genesee Lodge No. 174 -- www.gl-mi.org/lodges/genesee-174.minfo.html (Famous Masons Page)

The Genesee Lodge, in particular, contained all the necessary information to identify it as an official lodge web site. Underneath its headline "The Genesee Lodge No 174", we find the following information: "Free and Accepted Masons, Chartered January 11, 1866 A.D.--

5866 A.L., Under the Jurisdiction of the Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons of the State of Michigan". Thus, we have the clear and unmistakable line of authority back to the Michigan State Lodge.



http://www.beastprophets.com/billy-graham.htm
atemcowboy

Athens, OH

#409641 Dec 15, 2012
Clay wrote:
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Not to privately interpret....and thats what you all are doing.
You can't possibly deny the mess you all created with sola scripture and private interpetation.....just a big complete utter mess.
Not one of ya even has the guts to stand up and say "its MY interpretations that are the correct ones". Because really, that is exactly what most of you want us to think about you.
you hit the nail right on the head. gif and his wife want to use the words of PROPHECY that matthew quoted from Is. concerning healing, when it was made clear that the PROPHECY was fulfilled during the life of Christ,

yet they want to intrepret it for themselves, and the bible is clear that NO PROPHECY is of Private intrepretation.

yet there are some people who want, and wish ,to deviate from what was taught and said by the Aposltes.

and yeah, Clay. I DO BELIEVE THAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT GOD TEACHES IS FLAWLESS,AND I HAVE PROVED IT MANY, MANY TIMES ON THIS FORUM, AND THE REASONING BEHIND MY WORDS ARE VERY SIMPLE, I BELIEVE WHAT GOD SAYS, HE MEANS AND WHAT HE MEANS, HE SAYS.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#409642 Dec 15, 2012
Clay wrote:
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Yes.
Are you implying that Catholics would believe the little plastic figure itself has some special powers?
Then you would be baring false witness again.
And if a person buries a statue of Joseph(upside down) in the ground and believes that this helped them to sell thier house, would that be idolatry?

Since: Dec 11

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#409643 Dec 15, 2012
I have declared myself a genius. After all this time in Topix it finally hit me what OSAS meant. What a brain-huh?
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#409644 Dec 15, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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VI. I Have Been Saved (past event)
Rom. 8:24 - for in this hope we were saved (but, again, why "hope" if salvation is a certainty?)
Eph. 2:5,8 - for by grace you have been saved through faith.
2 Tim. 1:9 - He saved us and called us through grace and not by virtue of our own works outside of His grace.
Titus 3:5 - He saved us in virtue of His own mercy, and not by our deeds.
VII. I Am Being Saved (present event)
1 Cor. 1:18 - for the word of the cross is folly to those perishing, but for to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. Salvation is not a one-time event. It is a process of perseverance through faith, hope and love.
2 Cor. 2:15 - for we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved. Salvation is a continual process.
Phil. 2:12 - we are working out our salvation through fear and trembling. Salvation is an ongoing process.
1 Peter 1:9 - you obtain the salvation of your souls as the outcome of your faith. Working out our salvation in fear and trembling is a lifelong process.
VIII. I Will Be Saved (future event)
Matt. 10:22, 24:13; Mark 13:13 - again, Jesus taught that we must endure to the very end to be saved. Salvation is a past, present and future event (not a one-time event at an altar call).
Mark 16:16 Jesus says whoever believes and is baptized will be saved.
Acts 15:11 - we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus.
Rom. 5:9-10 - since we are justified by His blood, we shall be saved.
Rom. 13:11 - salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed. How can we be only nearer to something we already have?
1 Cor. 3:15 - he will be saved, but only as through fire.
1 Cor. 5:5 - Paul commands the Church to deliver a man to satan, that he will be saved in the day of the Lord.
2 Tim. 2:11-12 - if we endure, we shall also reign with Him. This requires endurance until the end of our lives.
Heb. 9:28 - Jesus will appear a second time to save those who are eagerly waiting for Him.
James 5:15 - the sacrament of the sick will save the sick man and the Lord will raise him up.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.ht...
Now, I ask you respectfully to answer my questions;
If you are saved instantly, no ifs, ands or buts, when you accept Jesus into your heart, how can you look to something (like good moral behaviour) AFTER this event and make any kind of judgement about their salvation?
If a person "gets saved" and behaves the way you think they should for 20 years and then decides to run of with another man's wife and dies shortly thereafter before repenting, is he still saved?
If not, why not?
Anthony, I am convinced that after al of this discussion you really have little ability to explain your faith or defend your beliefs apart from running to a catholic site to post spam. I see no progress in our communication and can really not see much use in continueing. I sincerely hope that a christian comes into your life who can help your understanding. I am afraid that I have not. I wish you well.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#409645 Dec 15, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>And if a person buries a statue of Joseph(upside down) in the ground and believes that this helped them to sell thier house, would that be idolatry?
I don't understand why you're asking this. Was this done by someone you know?
To me, that sounds like superstition...and that violates Catholic teaching.
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#409646 Dec 15, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"
I'm not speaking for Preston Kay, but you have made some really disparaging statements about the pope and Catholics, and even after you were shown your error you continue to deny any wrongdoing. I for one would never mention it again if you were admit your mistake. What if find so disturbing about you and your husband is that you seem unwilling to consider it. It's almost as though you feel that because its Catholics you're hurting, you have no need to feel remorse, like we're not even human beings worthy of respect. I'm willing to offer an olive branch, but only if you stop spitting on us.
**********
Anthony...I have said nothing disparaging about Catholic Christians. I have even commented that I have Catholic relatives and friends. I have commented on some teachings of Catholicism, which are in conflict with Christianity (perhaps included the Pope who apparently sees himself on the same level as God).
You are proving my position; the CC is foremost in Catholic teaching/thought, so much so that you feel personally attacked...and will attack me. The CC comes first, Jesus/God comes second in your teaching.
Defend the gospel. Let the CC do what all of us must do: PUT GOD FIRST.
KayMarie
This must be some kind of record! You've told at least five lies in three short paragraphs! You've dug such a deep hole, I'm afraid you'll never get out of it. God help you.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#409647 Dec 15, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
I have declared myself a genius. After all this time in Topix it finally hit me what OSAS meant. What a brain-huh?
Eureca! And what is that Hermie?
Clay

Garden City, MI

#409648 Dec 15, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
I have declared myself a genius. After all this time in Topix it finally hit me what OSAS meant. What a brain-huh?
Lol. Yeah it took me awhile too. Now you can run out and get properly 'saved', right?
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#409649 Dec 15, 2012
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text> and yeah, Clay. I DO BELIEVE THAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT GOD TEACHES IS FLAWLESS,AND I HAVE PROVED IT MANY, MANY TIMES ON THIS FORUM, AND THE REASONING BEHIND MY WORDS ARE VERY SIMPLE, I BELIEVE WHAT GOD SAYS, HE MEANS AND WHAT HE MEANS, HE SAYS.
The confession of a 'NUT CASE".
atemcowboy

Athens, OH

#409650 Dec 15, 2012
LTM wrote:
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Why don't you try and stop acting like the back end of a donkey for once. Why don't you answer that, you are still using John to fuel the fire that keeps you egging people to argue with you on here you are pathetic. "JOHN IS NOT HERE TO AGREE OR DEBATE WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. GOD REST HIS SOUL.
JOHNS NAME IS IN THIS POST, IN RELATION TO THE FILTHY TALK THAT 4BDN DOES ALSO, LIKE ODDJG DID.AND YEAH JOHN DOES NEED TO BE MENTIONED ON THIS FORUM. HE BROUGHT MUCH INFO TO THIS FORUM, UNLIKE YOU, AND SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN TALKED TO AS 4BDN DID AND ONLY KAREN AND I HAD THE GUTS AND THE NERVE TO SPEAK AGAINST THAT FILTHY TALK. NOW WONDER THAT YOU DIDNT, YOU USE IT ALSO ON THIS FORUM

I AM ASKING 4BDN HOW HE KNOWS THAT ODDJG IS GONE IF HE ISNT HIM.

IF YOU CANT ANSWER A POST CORRECTLY THEN SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND KEEP QUIET.THIS IS WHAT YOU DID WHEN YOU ATTACKED ME WHILE IT WAS ORVILLE DOING THE ATTACKING. PS, you can use that word against me, you have twice before.NOW READ THIS!
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>the same goes for you, you and teh sda cultist wear those icons out.
so answer this for all of us.
how did you know that oddjg was gone?
was that you trolling his nick and cussing people out and talking filthy like you did to john?
to know that he was gone indicates that topix kicked you off using that nick. correct?

HE DOESNT ANSWER SINCE THE PROBABILITY IS THAT HE WAS USING ODJG AS A TROLL NICK,

and since this is a public forum, I will speak out as much and as ofter as I wish, expecially when he calls me names, AND YOU REMAIN SILENT. YET WHEN I SPEAK OUT, THE HOUNDS OF HELL ARE RELEASED AGAINST ME.I SPEAK OUT AGAISNT EVIL BEHAVIOR AND YOU TRY AND SILENCE ME FOR IT.LOL JUST LIKE THE DEVIL.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#409651 Dec 15, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>And if a person buries a statue of Joseph(upside down) in the ground and believes that this helped them to sell thier house, would that be idolatry?
Are you going to start answering our questions or are you going to plug your ears like a child and keep demanding we answer yours?
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#409652 Dec 15, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Clay"
The thing that boggles my mind is Catholics acknowledge God working in each and everyone your churches. You guys on the other hand, confiscate our Bible and use it against us, and spit on us.
Confrint, the Bible is not for you to safeguard. The proof is that you are a hateful person. Unwillingly to repent even though you been caught red handed lying about us.
*********
This must be something new. I've known Catholics through the years, and they were never ALLOWED to go to a Protestant church.
The Word of God is not yours/ours, it is HIS.
KayMarie
Another lie. Keep it up, you're only inches from hitting bottom. Just a few more lies to go, and you'll be there.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#409653 Dec 15, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Anthony, I am convinced that after al of this discussion you really have little ability to explain your faith or defend your beliefs apart from running to a catholic site to post spam. I see no progress in our communication and can really not see much use in continueing. I sincerely hope that a christian comes into your life who can help your understanding. I am afraid that I have not. I wish you well.
Well, I guess that's one way to escape answering tough bible verses and questions. I wish you well too. Keep working on your salvation with fear and trembling and hopefully you too will be saved and we can meet as friends in heaven.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#409654 Dec 15, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Anthony, I am convinced that after al of this discussion you really have little ability to explain your faith or defend your beliefs apart from running to a catholic site to post spam. I see no progress in our communication and can really not see much use in continueing. I sincerely hope that a christian comes into your life who can help your understanding. I am afraid that I have not. I wish you well.
I will give an unbiased analysis on you..
You didn't present enough credible arguments on behalf of your doctrines. There filled with quite a bit of ignorance.
And I think you been caught a few times spreading things that are not true about us Catholics. This was done AFTER you were made aware of the truth.(see your current posts about us supposedly using statues for idol worship)
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#409655 Dec 15, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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If a person asks their neighbor to pray for them, knowing that it's only God who can help, is that idolatry?
Read the question again. You are totally off topic,'again'.
atemcowboy

Athens, OH

#409656 Dec 15, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
I have declared myself a genius. After all this time in Topix it finally hit me what OSAS meant. What a brain-huh?
THE ONE ON YOUR LEFT HELPED. huh?

WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT YOU CAN SIN LIKE THE DEVIL ALL WEEK AND WEAR YOUR BEST CLOTHES ON SUNDAY.

not really, some on here will tell you that it is a repenting way, others like 4bdn will do what they want, say what they will and then jump on you and anthony because you arent Saved according to what they think that you should be Saved from.

and then you have people like marge and LTM who dont know what they believe because it changes constantly.

and with gif and his wife, unless you follow benny hen, you are not a christian

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