Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Brad! I mean Herme.....says..
.........I agree that there is no empirical evidence for the existence of God.
Michael says......If you honestly believe their is no empirical evidence for the existance of God, then why not explore your reasoning for saying so, instead of you blindly believing their is a God?
If you have no evidence in what you believe, then why do you believe it? Because of Family tradition?
Is that a good reason? I wouldn't think so.
Great question there,Cowboy Bob.Sounds like I am a blowhard but I truly have read through the philosophers from Socrates to Sartre.I have read the pro and con arguments re God.I then moved to theology.(Remember this is over a lifetime) I read theologians of various denominations. I concluded that faith is just as strong an instrument to know God and reason is an instrumenty to know philosophical Truth.This was not based on emotion.It is analytical thinking. Reason is a poor poor instrument to know God. So is Science. Science cannot explore the spiritual dimension.This is the best way can explain it.A long time ago a dude named Justin Martyr said philosophers have part of the Truth but to fully know the Truth you have to turn to Christianity.The Cappadocians saw it the same way.So does little ole me.
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Paul:
Romans 15:18 For I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me to bring the Gentiles to obedience—by word and deed, 19 by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God
**Do we accomplish good works or does Christ work through us to accomplish good works? HUGE difference
"Let The Beauty of Jesus Be Seen In Me."

By my....what???

pure life....

pure speech....

living sacrifice....and,

charitable deeds.(works)

Did Jesus go out and do good things to and for others???

Galatians 6:10

10 Therefore, as we have opportunity,~~~~~let us do good to all people,~~~~~*especially* to those who belong to the family of believers.(Christians)

Hebrews 13:16

16 And [do not forget to do good and to share with others,[ for with ~~~~~such sacrifices God is pleased.~~~~~

Let the beauty of Jesus be seen in me,
All His wonderful passion and purity.
May His Spirit divine all my being refine
Let the beauty of Jesus be seen in me.

When your burden is heavy and hard to bear
When your neighbors refuse all your load to share
When you're feeling so blue, Don't know just what to do
Let the beauty of Jesus be seen in you.

When somebody has been so unkind to you,
Some word spoken that pierces you through and through.
Think how He was beguiled, spat upon and reviled,
Let the beauty of Jesus be seen in you

[[[From the dawn of the morning till close of day,]]]
~~~In example in deeds and in all you say,~~~
***Lay your gifts at His feet, ever strive to keep sweet***
Let the beauty of Jesus be seen in you.

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Paul:
Romans 15:18 For I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me to bring the Gentiles to obedience—by word and deed, 19 by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God
**Do we accomplish good works or does Christ work through us to accomplish good works? HUGE difference

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Apples and Apples, my friend. Yes, Christ works through us BY FAITH.

If He was not in us, we could not do any of the things that He did.

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God has NOT stopped making DISCIPLES NOT apostles....
No one today qualifies to be an apostle....KayMarie...
tell me Hank, acccording you to and your church(since you follow it and that is where your beleifs come from)what are your qualifications?
so while you are looking, I fouund this link, most of it I am in disagreement wirth since he like you ,is trying to disprove the Word of God.
Special Qualifications: The qualifications of the apostles are given in Acts 1:21-22 [21] Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,[22] Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
See All.... They must have been with Jesus during His earthly ministry (v.21), been baptized by John the Baptist (v.22), and been eyewitnesses of the resurrected Christ (v.22).
Paul was given an exemption on the first requirements but greatly emphasized his having been an eyewitness of the resurrected Christ –“And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time”(1Corinthians 15:8And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
"last of all he was seen of me"(SEE THAT)
a necessary qualification, you have to have seen Chrsit as Resurrected. I fit that description and my testimony is True(weather it is beleive or not is none of my concern).
also that person has to have been chosen(paul was called a"chosen vessel") at the age of 12, the greats in heaven sent my grandfather back to tell me that God had a job for me to do(THAT IS CHOSEN)AND IS UNIQUE in that ministers to Preach are "called "every day, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN(WHIHC IS THE CORRECT INTREPRETATION NO MATTER WHAT PEOPLE LIKE MARGE THINKS.
YOU SAY THAT THEY HAVE must have power to lay hands on people and they receive the Holy Ghost. well Hank ,that occurs all of the time if YOU are in the right churches.(AND THAT IS ONE OF THE FEW THINGS THAT GIF AND I COULD AGREE ON).
NOW YOU CAN PROVIDE YOUR ARGUMENTS , LOL

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You do know the differences/qualifications between apostles and disciples???

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I know.

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"if a man say he has faith, but has not works? Shall faith be able to save him?"
***If a man says he has faith in Christ and he really doesn't, won't it eventually be apparent to the folks around him. He's not truly saved. No different than waht Jesus said," I never knew you"..
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The translation from Greek to Latin (in the New Testament) leaves much to be desired..

It leaves so much of the meat (real meaning) out of the word of God...

Read both the translations in their context and compare

James 2:9-17

King James version,,

The context is about having respect of persons

Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Jas 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Douay version..James 2:9-17.

Jas 2:9 But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, being reproved by the law as transgressors.

Jas 2:10 And whosoever shall keep the whole law, but offend in one point, is become guilty of all.

Jas 2:11 For he that said: Thou shalt not commit adultery, said also: Thou shalt not kill. Now if thou do not commit adultery, but shalt kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Jas 2:12 So speak ye and so do, as being to be judged by the law of liberty.

Jas 2:13 For judgment without mercy to him that hath not done mercy. And mercy exalteth itself above judgment.

Jas 2:14 What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?

Jas 2:15 And if a brother or sister be naked and want daily food:

Jas 2:16 And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit?

Jas 2:17 So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.

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who="_BobLoblah_" 04Dec12.....
......BobLobla is a Roman Catholic...
Ps:....and you 'smarge' are a fake and a schidt-for-brains.
Forever and Ever
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Could have told you that. If you were a Protestant you would not use such ugly language.
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get real!!!you have read the words of Orville, oddjg and 4bdn, and acccording to them are far above us poor followers of Jesus

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In other words, KayMarie, as an apostle,(if you believe you are an apostle or think they exist today) do you/anyone else have the POWER to raise the dead???
As an apostle, do you/anyone else have the POWER to heal the sick???

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Apostles exist today. They do have the power to heal the sick, and raise the dead. It happens, not as much as it ought, because WE DO NOT EXERCISE that sort of faith. I have seen it.

Heb. 11:1 Now faith IS the substance of things hoped for (expected is a better translation); the EVIDENCE of things not seen.

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<quoted text>get real!!!you have read the words of Orville, oddjg and 4bdn, and acccording to them are far above us poor followers of Jesus
Don't know if you're familar with Lane Ave on OSU Campus...the Mayor of Columbus yesterday re-named part of it 12-0 Row in honor of football team.

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Common curtsey (which is ignored by some here) "IT IS A SURE SIGN THAT THEY ARE HYPOCRITES, AND THEIR CARNAL NATURE IS RULING THEM.
(DOUAY TRANSLATION)"
It is common curtsey not to post in all caps.

Luke 6

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37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

39 He also told them this parable:“Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40 The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.

41 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 42 How can you say to your brother,‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

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who="atemcowboy" get real!!!you have read the words of Orville, oddjg and 4bdn, and acccording to them are far above us poor followers of Jesus

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I've been on here for months and I've seen no four letter words from any of them. Bob gets away with it by adding a couple of letters; otherwise Topix would stop it.

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<quoted text>tell me Hank, acccording you to and your church(since you follow it and that is where your beleifs come from)what are your qualifications?
so while you are looking, I fouund this link, most of it I am in disagreement wirth since he like you ,is trying to disprove the Word of God.
Special Qualifications: The qualifications of the apostles are given in Acts 1:21-22 [21] Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,[22] Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
See All.... They must have been with Jesus during His earthly ministry (v.21), been baptized by John the Baptist (v.22), and been eyewitnesses of the resurrected Christ (v.22).
Paul was given an exemption on the first requirements but greatly emphasized his having been an eyewitness of the resurrected Christ –“And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time”(1Corinthians 15:8And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
"last of all he was seen of me"(SEE THAT)
a necessary qualification, you have to have seen Chrsit as Resurrected. I fit that description and my testimony is True(weather it is beleive or not is none of my concern).
also that person has to have been chosen(paul was called a"chosen vessel") at the age of 12, the greats in heaven sent my grandfather back to tell me that God had a job for me to do(THAT IS CHOSEN)AND IS UNIQUE in that ministers to Preach are "called "every day, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN(WHIHC IS THE CORRECT INTREPRETATION NO MATTER WHAT PEOPLE LIKE MARGE THINKS.
YOU SAY THAT THEY HAVE must have power to lay hands on people and they receive the Holy Ghost. well Hank ,that occurs all of the time if YOU are in the right churches.(AND THAT IS ONE OF THE FEW THINGS THAT GIF AND I COULD AGREE ON).
NOW YOU CAN PROVIDE YOUR ARGUMENTS , LOL
lol.....

I get you....lol......and no I don't attend that kind of a church....

I want KayMarie to tell me if she understands the differences/qualifications between an apostle and a disciple.....

I am not rolling on the floor...lol...

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Don't know if you're familar with Lane Ave on OSU Campus...the Mayor of Columbus yesterday re-named part of it 12-0 Row in honor of football team.
Now thats what I am talking about.

used to work in Cols back in the 60;s after the army, with American Plan on s high st, and on s parsons, knew old man Schottenstein, and on w broad
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In other words, KayMarie, as an apostle,(if you believe you are an apostle or think they exist today) do you/anyone else have the POWER to raise the dead???
As an apostle, do you/anyone else have the POWER to heal the sick???
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Apostles exist today. They do have the power to heal the sick, and raise the dead. It happens, not as much as it ought, because WE DO NOT EXERCISE that sort of faith. I have seen it.
Heb. 11:1 Now faith IS the substance of things hoped for (expected is a better translation); the EVIDENCE of things not seen.
KayMarie
Oh my....have you been misled....
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You do know the differences/qualifications between apostles and disciples???
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No, you don't...

You are following the teachings of man and not God...

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who="atemcowboy" get real!!!you have read the words of Orville, oddjg and 4bdn, and acccording to them are far above us poor followers of Jesus
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I've been on here for months and I've seen no four letter words from any of them. Bob gets away with it by adding a couple of letters; otherwise Topix would stop it.
KayMarie
no, topix allows cussing, at least on other forums, so I would suspect they would on this forum also.oddjg wrote this to karen. on june 27.

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Really? You are the best at making up stories about everyone and everything. If a lie was a penny you would be a multi-millionaire. You know when you hid behind another name like a little bxxxx.
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and that wasnt all that he said. as I have said many times, 4bdn issued John a perverted invitation(and If I used the word as to what he is, topix would censor that), and not only did I call him on it but Karen did also.but some of your friends stayed on the sidelines and were afraid to say anything to him
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In other words, KayMarie, as an apostle,(if you believe you are an apostle or think they exist today) do you/anyone else have the POWER to raise the dead???
As an apostle, do you/anyone else have the POWER to heal the sick???
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Apostles exist today. They do have the power to heal the sick, and raise the dead. It happens, not as much as it ought, because WE DO NOT EXERCISE that sort of faith. I have seen it.
Heb. 11:1 Now faith IS the substance of things hoped for (expected is a better translation); the EVIDENCE of things not seen.
KayMarie
OK...if there are apostles today that have the POWER to heal the sick....

Why do we have HEALTH INSURANCE???

Why do we have NURSES???

Why do we have DOCTORS???

Why do we have EMS workers with ambulances???

Why do we still have HOSPITALS???

Why are there still diseases???

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Today, it is the POWER OF PRAYER and God's will...not apostles....

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Because you still haven't answered my question. Did mommy and daddy take you to the presbyteruan church and that's when someone at the church said something to upset you?
What is a presbyteruan church?

If you mean a presbyterian church, then yes, my parent took me to a presbyterian church from birth up to 17.

I actually attended a pretty cool church! Hell, my town was pretty cool! Every once in a while, my Sunday school class would visit other churches and synagogues. While many parents of that era would forbid their children to play with other children outside their faith or race, my town encourage quite the opposite! I thought the entire USA was that way, until I was old enough to watch the news.

Anyway, you wanted to know what upset me and I am sure that I made that quite clear. Very little in the bible is fact.

From the 6 day creation to the devil being locked in the pit of hell and all modern christians can do is rationalize why events in the bible do not match reality.

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Oh my....have you been misled....
sorry, hank in this instance, gotta agree with her and if as I said, you were in a church that follows the Bible, you also could see it.

what is right, is right, no matter who says it.

if God says that He changes not, why wouldnt He do the same things for us now as he did then? does He have less Power now? of course not.Does He loves us less that He did then, of course not.

why dont YOU see miracles in your church? Jesus gave the answer if you only Look. I am not going to give it to you.a great article.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid...

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Oh my....have you been misled....

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I have two brothers who were raised from the dead. I have been INSTANTLY healed from broken bones (on crutches), and I've seen many other things. The God of the Bible can still roll back the Red Sea and the Jordan River.

KayMarie

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