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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#409239 Dec 13, 2012
look closely at this and see if you see what is wrong.
Introduction

Are there apostles today? Many would answer that question with a resounding - Yes. They would tell us that there are not only apostles today, but that we should expect that God will, in these last days, raise up super apostles.

We don’t, however, want to base our beliefs on what someone may have told us, but on what scripture teaches. What does the Bible have to say on this subject? Are there apostles today? In this booklet we shall seek to answer this question.

SO I SHALL POINT IT OUT FOR HANK.

FIRST HE SAYS THAT
What does the Bible have to say on this subject?

AND NOW THIS RESPONSE.In this booklet we shall seek to answer this question.

THIS MAN, I DONT NEED TO READ ANY FURTHER. HE WANTS TO SAY WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY, AND THEN HE IS GOING TO SOME BOOKLET TO PROVE OR DISPROVE
chuck

Ashburn, VA

#409240 Dec 13, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
In other words, you believe a person who is saved, yet falls into sin, like re-marrying after a divorce, is really saved?
fall back in sin?????? not sure I follow.

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#409241 Dec 13, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston,
I NEVER said that we don't receive the Holy Spirit....
We do....it is the "gift of the Holy Spirit"
Acts 2:39
39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
"Far off"....promised gifts (forgiveness of our sins and the "gift of the Holy Spirit") for all who believe extends even to the Gentiles....and to us today...
now you are changing the thread.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#409242 Dec 13, 2012
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>laughing. you are getting schooled good today. read 1 Peter 5:1.
lol......

love you, Cowboy....

here you go....

Peter is writing as an APOSTLE and an ELDER....
Anthony MN

United States

#409243 Dec 13, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>No, Anthony, what he is saying is that if your walk doesn't match your talk, something is wrong. He is saying that true faith, biblical faith, PRODUCES a change in our very nature that is visable to the world. If we 'say' we haave faith; if we 'say' that we have been changed; THEN there should be evidence of that change. If we 'SAY' that we are 'Christians'(FOLLOWERS of Christ) we should be following. The WORKS(evidence of a changed life) don't save us, ONLY JESUS can do that. But the WORKS do provide evidence and lend credibilaty to our testamony.
I hope you don't use the term "saving faith" cause it ain't in the bible.

You keep saying "should". What if a person is morally upright, rarely sinning, does all the things you think a Christian should do, but fails to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, etc. What do you say to someone who lives their whole life providing this evidence you refer to and then falls into sin? What if the evidence isn't to your satisfaction?

No. St. James clearly says works are necessary, faith alone is not enough.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#409244 Dec 13, 2012
who="Truth"
You wrote:
Prayer/faith made the difference.
Now, that is what I have been saying....and remember, God's will be done....
Not a person today claiming to be an apostle...that is not happening....

**********

Blessed is he that believes and has not seen...

KM

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#409245 Dec 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="atemcowboy" but only if they are Saved, God doesnt care about the flesh if the soul is not addressed first.
show me this verse in the bible.
Those who don't believe and obey can expect to be sick.LOL, THEY ARE ALREADY SICK, IN THE FIRST PLACE. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.
or are you acting like the heathen the sda cultist?
**********
Jesus does sometimes heal the unsaved to help them to trust Him.(I've known a lot who got saved first...then KNEW/believed in Jesus. Those who SAY they believe, but do not, likely will meet some resistance.
God's mercy is greater than we can fathom.
just stay with the thread, you made the statement, now prove it

Those who don't believe and obey can expect to be sick
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#409246 Dec 13, 2012
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>laughing. you are getting schooled good today. read 1 Peter 5:1.
lol....

Forgot to add....

And chosen to be a WITNESS...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#409247 Dec 13, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
Wrong. Marge, a fellow OSASer, says that Jesus was talking to Christians. That is true. Yet Jesus says even though they said "Lord, Lord" ,(only people of faith say that right?), they would suffer eternally if they didn't perform works of mercy.
You keep saying faith alone. Jesus and St. James say NOT faith alone.

**********

Jesus said to those, "Depart from Me. I NEVER KNEW YOU." They had never been saved.

KM
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#409248 Dec 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Truth"
We do have PHYSICAL HEALING, KayMarie:
James 5:14-16
14 Is anyone among you sick?~~~~~Let them call the ELDERS of the church to PRAY OVER THEM and ANOINT THEM WITH OIL in the name of the Lord.~~~~~
15 [[[[[And the PRAYER offered in faith will make the sick person well;]]]]] the Lord will RAISE them up.***If they have sinned, they will be forgiven.***
16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and PRAY for each other so that you may be healed.[[[[[The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.]]]]]
THE PRAYER OF A RIGHTEOUS PERSON IS POWERFUL AND EFFECTIVE.
Elders....it doesn't say apostles....
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Elder: presbyter...as in the ministry of the laying on of hands. Senior citizen; retired person, etc. No difference...except that all 'seniors' are not apostles.
KM
Wrong...there are differences...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#409249 Dec 13, 2012
who="chuck"
fall back in sin?????? not sure I follow.

**********

A divorced person MAY NOT have been guilty. The church once shut the door on divorced people, not even allowing them to participate.
GOD knows the circumstances; it is not for us to judge.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#409250 Dec 13, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
I hope you don't use the term "saving faith" cause it ain't in the bible.
You keep saying "should". What if a person is morally upright, rarely sinning, does all the things you think a Christian should do, but fails to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, etc. What do you say to someone who lives their whole life providing this evidence you refer to and then falls into sin? What if the evidence isn't to your satisfaction?
No. St. James clearly says works are necessary, faith alone is not enough.

**********

Works PROVE the faith. "Without faith YOU CAN DO NOTHING."

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#409251 Dec 13, 2012
who="Truth"
Wrong...there are differences...

**********

Differences being...???

KM
Anthony MN

United States

#409252 Dec 13, 2012
chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
yes because I don`t like to redefine grace with my works
So the other OSASer, 4gvn, says that good works SHOULD follow as evidence of being saved, and you feel it's just a maybe, but it doesn't really matter? Isn't it grace that works in us to do good works?
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#409253 Dec 13, 2012
atemcowboy wrote:
Like I told your husband, you should never have went to a hospital, you should have went to benny hinn.
as for me, when the Doctor told me that He couldnt help me, I told him that I knew one that could, AND HE DID, NOR WAS I PUNISHED BECAUSE I SAW DOCTORS FIRST.
and while laying in bed last night. I thought about this.
the last time I saw a doctor about my heart, he said there was no evidence that I had ever had a heart attack in the past.
well I know that I had, I saw the ekg that showed the MI around 5 years ago,and I was healed so completely that even the old scars were taken away
Preston says...

....well I know that I had, I saw the ekg that showed the MI around 5 years ago,and I was healed so completely that even the old scars were taken away.

Michael says...

...What are you bragging about now that you are special and anyone outside your faith would be dead by now from their next heart attack.

I had a heart attack 5 years ago. There are no signs that I have had a heart attack. Attributed to good doctor/nurse care.

During the next 24 hours thousands of devoted american catholics will die. Many pre-maturely, many from horrible accidents, or cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc. Get over yourself.

30,000 children starve to death every day in our world, and you honestly believe God is looking out for your trivial problem.

Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#409254 Dec 13, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
When Christians do good deeds, it says...
"Let the beauty of Jesus be SEEN in you!"
....and when millions of NON CHRISTIANS do good deeds, they do them simply because they are good people.

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#409255 Dec 13, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
lol......
love you, Cowboy....
here you go....
Peter is writing as an APOSTLE and an ELDER....
Hank, I knew that, and I wanted you to see that.in our churches today, Our elders are those who have been in Christ for many years.Or those who have been appointed to those offices, by God or the church.

even ministers that are not Pastors can lay hands on someone who is sick. I was doing that almost as soon as I was saved. in fact, my Pastor called me a Prayer Master, not just a Warrior, and I was speechless.

to be honest, you are missing out on a lot of spiritual Experiences by being in the church that you attend, and I am not trying to insult you.your church wants to try and Limit God and He knows not our limitations.

however, If your church doesnt wish to see how Great he is, he will walk on by your church and visit the one down the street that does want and need Him.

I remember our former Lt Governor, who told people in Columbus that yes, God loves other churches but he visits his first, every sunday.that is the desire and attitude that all of us should exhibit, that we KNOW that God comes to our Worship Services
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#409256 Dec 13, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Great question there,Cowboy Bob.Sounds like I am a blowhard but I truly have read through the philosophers from Socrates to Sartre.I have read the pro and con arguments re God.I then moved to theology.(Remember this is over a lifetime) I read theologians of various denominations. I concluded that faith is just as strong an instrument to know God and reason is an instrumenty to know philosophical Truth.This was not based on emotion.It is analytical thinking. Reason is a poor poor instrument to know God. So is Science. Science cannot explore the spiritual dimension.This is the best way can explain it.A long time ago a dude named Justin Martyr said philosophers have part of the Truth but to fully know the Truth you have to turn to Christianity.The Cappadocians saw it the same way.So does little ole me.
I am sure if a fair minded, open minded person spent several days with a well versed Jewish Rabbi we might understand God in a totally different way that christianity teaches, and one would have to weigh the perponderance of evidence or lack of what suits them in their spiritual journey through life.

More often than not indoctrination plays a big part in the religious life one decides to follow.

Born at 71 Main street anytown america to a loving catholic family would give a different prospective to the family born to a loving Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, Atheist family born at 72 Main street anytown america.

Indoctrination is most often the determining factor of how or what God one believes in.
Anthony MN

United States

#409257 Dec 13, 2012
chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
fall back in sin?????? not sure I follow.
Well, we're taught that divorce and remarriage is adultery, yet many OSAS protestants don't believe that. Most OSAS protestants don't confess their sins to one another. Are there defined ways you must act or things you must do so that other OSAS folks can identify you as "saved"?
chuck

Ashburn, VA

#409258 Dec 13, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
So the other OSASer, 4gvn, says that good works SHOULD follow as evidence of being saved, and you feel it's just a maybe, but it doesn't really matter? Isn't it grace that works in us to do good works?
if we are Christians it is Christ working through us to accomplish goods works..Christ

you on the other hand believe you are accomplishing good works because you have to for salvation.....which 're- defines grace.

btw...I"m on my Kindle so not sure why it says I"m in CA

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