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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 603567 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Truth

Leesburg, VA

#409100 Dec 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Chuck"
Galatians 5:2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. 3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. 4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.
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This does not negate Abraham's faith which led him to obey God and be circumcised. THAT was the first (Old) covenant.
Note the 'in Christ' part of your reference, which says that neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is the basis for New Covenant faith.
The NEW covenant (testament) is based, not on circumcision, but on Jesus' sacrifice...circumcision of the heart.
KayMarie
Yes...

Paul's point was to show those who trust in the works of the law are obligated to keep all things in the law.

Deuteronomy 30:6-7

6 The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and LIVE.

7 The Lord your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you.

The Law could NOT save anyone...

We have been redeemed....

2 Corinthians 5:21

21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#409101 Dec 13, 2012
Truth wrote:
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Abraham did NOT become a believer because he was circumcised by the law.
when did I say he did?

Truth

Leesburg, VA

#409102 Dec 13, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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lol.
Ok mister bible expert. Please explain the 'context' of the following verses;
20 But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Do you see that faith did cooperate with his works and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God. 24 Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?
Words without works are worthless, useless to anyone!
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#409103 Dec 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="_BobLoblah_" 04Dec12.....
......BobLobla is a Roman Catholic...
Ps:....and you 'smarge' are a fake and a schidt-for-brains.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
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Could have told you that. If you were a Protestant you would not use such ugly language.
KayMarie
Huh surely you was not agreeing with him about the SMARGE comment ?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#409104 Dec 13, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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They said "Lord, Lord...", but didn't DO the will of the Father. That means simply professing faith and excluding good works isn't enough.
YEP!!!

And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#409105 Dec 13, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>"On the last day' is a reference to judgement day. The teaching is quite simple that at that time it is too late. Everyone will see Christ face to face and of course be brought to the realization of thier error and the fate they have chosen. But it will be TOO LATE. CONTEXT , Anthony.
Someone is leading you seriously astray with regard to this passage. There are two passages here where Jesus uses the "Lord, Lord..." phrase. He says in the first verse "Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that does the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven."

"Not every one", means some, but not all. The ones that say "Lord, Lord" AND do the will of the Father shall enter the kingdom. "but he that does the will of my Father...", means that we are still ABLE to DO IT. The CONTEXT of this is that while they are still alive and able to say "Lord, Lord" AND do the will of the Father, they will enter the Kingdom.

Then in the NEXT passage He says "Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in your name, and cast out devils in your name, and done many miracles in your name?", meaning that in THAT DAY, saying "Lord, Lord" it will be too late.

Read the paragraphs before and after these verses. I think you will see the proper CONTEXT is that Jesus is discussing works. Doing good things, not just saying "Lord, Lord".
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#409106 Dec 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Truth"
Just explaining myself concerning the word 'POWER' in which we DO NOT receive this kind of power at baptism today....
Nothing to argue about...discussing the Word of God...any time...
I pray people will make the connection....
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True, because this power comes with Holy Ghost baptism. "You SHALL receive power AFTER that the Holy Ghost comes upon you."
"Tarry...until you are endued with power."
KayMarie
Apostles, KayMarie...

Jesus was speaking to the APOSTLES...
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#409107 Dec 13, 2012
Michael wrote:
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Believe what you want! Who cares. You just have to understand that MOST others in our great world do not see the world according to you.
Your own Pope 14 months ago stated that AGNOSTICS have a better chance at going to the kingdom of heaven than do social catholics.
You are a social catholic. Sorry for the bad news!
And you Michael, need to understand that the Catholic Church, the Catholics on this forum and the majority of Catholics throughout the world, do not "fit into" or believe the "exaggerated, overstated and disproportionated" hyped-up statistics that you are "forever" (digging up). You say you don't care what I believe--but as I told you before---"you do care" because otherwise---you wouldn't still be on this forum. and you would be off somewhere living in the "same old bondage" of anti-catholic hatred for Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church........The fact is that it (bugs you) that you can't get ANYONE to believe ANY--yes---ANY CATHOLIC, to accept your anti-catholic vengeance, hostility and "blown out of portion" statistics....... Correction Michael--but I am Orthodox Roman Catholic and you are the Prodigal Son (social, ex-Catholic--or is it atheist or agnostic now!! Bad news?? Yes--(for you) at least for the time being----- until like the Prodigal Son in Luke 15:11 when he eventually -----"came to his senses"!!!
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#409108 Dec 13, 2012
Chuck wrote:
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If your co-workers ask you if you have faith in Christ and you tell them you do, how will they be able to tell if your faith is sincere?
By my works. If you don't have works, do you have faith? If you don't have faith, are you saved?

Faith AND works brother.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#409109 Dec 13, 2012
Clay wrote:
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Thank you very much for that info. The actual Dead Sea Scrolls came to the Science Museum of MN last year and I missed it. I confess, I only recently been interested, thanks to a presentation I heard from a former Protestant Minister, Dr. John Bergsma.
God bless.
Clay
Peace

It does lend support for Christian development....Somehow, I feel, there is a denial of authority for who cannonized the Bible, and a revisionist mentality to what is acceptable, or a rebellious spirit....
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#409110 Dec 13, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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By my works. If you don't have works, do you have faith? If you don't have faith, are you saved?
Faith AND works brother.
What would your co-workers say if you claim to have faith in Christ and your lifestyle or works do not reflect your faith?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#409111 Dec 13, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
YEP!!!
And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?
Jesus spends a lot of time talking about what we are to DO to be saved, and not just about having faith. I'm rather unfamiliar with your denomination's thinking on 'faith alone' Hank, can you share with me?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#409112 Dec 13, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
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Interesting I did not know that Robert. I know that originally they were denying it and their was a lot of debate about realeasing what they had. Originally I had heard they could not read them to to their fragile nature, which in part is true. However on quick google search I came up with this article which has some interesting tidbits. Mikey will be very upset. lol
The scroll also describes the Messiah as a "leader of the community" who was "put to death." This reference pointing clearly to the historical Jesus of Nazareth is creating shock waves for liberal scholarship that previously assumed that the Gospel account about Jesus was a myth. Jesus is the only one who ever claimed to be the Messiah who was crucified. The genealogies recorded in both Matthew and Luke's Gospels, reveal that Jesus was the only one who could prove by the genealogical records kept in the Temple that He was the lineage of King David as the "Son of Jesse." Since the tragic destruction of the Temple and its records in A.D. 70 it would be impossible for anyone else to ever prove their claim to be the Messiah based on their genealogical descent from King David. Additionally, the scroll identified the Messiah as "the sceptre" which probably refers to the Genesis 49:10 prophecy, "The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be." This scroll confirms the historical truthfulness of the New Testament record about Jesus and His crucifixion. The evidence from the scroll suggests that the Jewish Essene writer acknowledged that Jesus of Nazareth was the "suffering Messiah" who died for the sins of His people.
...When we consider the total amount of evidence that confirms the biblical record about Jesus of Nazareth we can have confidence that we know more about the life and resurrection of Christ than we know about any other person in the ancient world. God has not left us in darkness concerning the truthfulness of the miracles, prophecies and teaching of His Son, Jesus Christ.
http://www.grantjeffrey.com/article/article1....
Dust Storm
Peace

Interesting site....

This article mentions also that some of the other N.T., books were(debatable) in the Qumran caves.(Acts, Romans, Timothy, James)

I think that those who argue that nobody wrote anything down, and that it was an invention, have definitely lost their argument with the Dead Sea Scrolls....

What most people don't think about is that it took years to write all of these scrolls down..., they didn't have a computerized copier....So even the date 68AD is not the true time when they were written, only the time when they were sealed away....

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#409113 Dec 13, 2012
who="Michael"
Robert says....
..brainwashed!
Michael says....
..(lol)Brainwashed!.. No my good friend Robert, that is what people say about religious people. You just had it backwards.
Its obvious people of faith can't stand being questioned. It all stems from growing up in the church. I remember I was there back in the day. They teach that. Religion class, never ask questions, wait until math or spelling and ask all the questions you like.........about math or spelling.
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Wrong churches, Michael. I've never gone to one where I was not allowed to ask questions...and I got answers, too.

KayMarie
marge

Ames, IA

#409114 Dec 13, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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Someone is leading you seriously astray with regard to this passage. There are two passages here where Jesus uses the "Lord, Lord..." phrase. He says in the first verse "Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that does the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven."
"Not every one", means some, but not all. The ones that say "Lord, Lord" AND do the will of the Father shall enter the kingdom. "but he that does the will of my Father...", means that we are still ABLE to DO IT. The CONTEXT of this is that while they are still alive and able to say "Lord, Lord" AND do the will of the Father, they will enter the Kingdom.
Then in the NEXT passage He says "Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in your name, and cast out devils in your name, and done many miracles in your name?", meaning that in THAT DAY, saying "Lord, Lord" it will be too late.
Read the paragraphs before and after these verses. I think you will see the proper CONTEXT is that Jesus is discussing works. Doing good things, not just saying "Lord, Lord".
note verse 45

And he will answer,'I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.'

These are Christians, first you have to be able to tell who is a Christian.

Clay says he can't tell if one is a Christian or not.. can you?

Besides that only Jesus can make one a Christian, not works.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#409115 Dec 13, 2012
marge wrote:
note verse 45 And he will answer,'I tellyou the truth, whenyou refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters,you were refusing to help me.' These are Christians, firstyou have to be able to tell who is a Christian. Clay says he can't tell if one is a Christian or not.. canyou? Besides that only Jesus can make one a Christian, not works.
14Dec12.....

.....Good people (millions of dem) living good lives in da jungles and elsewhere who have Never heard of Jesus Christ will GO to Heaven.

Ps:....One needs not to be a Christian to go to Heaven. One needs only to love another as he would want them to love him.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#409116 Dec 13, 2012
who="7th Day Catholics Rock"Huh surely you was not agreeing with him about the SMARGE comment ?

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Of course not. Just saying that his language is filthy...not a good testimony.

KayMarie
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#409117 Dec 13, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>14Dec12.....
.....Good people (millions of dem) living good lives in da jungles and elsewhere who have Never heard of Jesus Christ will GO to Heaven.
Romans 16:19 This is because what is known about God should be plain to them because God made it plain to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world, God’s invisible qualities—God’s eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, because they are understood through the things God has made. So humans are without excuse.

**sorry Bob...you're wrong

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#409118 Dec 13, 2012
who="Truth"
Apostles, KayMarie...
Jesus was speaking to the APOSTLES...

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Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and YOU shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto YOU, and to your children, and to ALL THAT ARE AFAR OFF, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

He hasn't quit making apostles...OR setting them in the church.
You have not BECAUSE YOU ASK NOT.

KayMarie
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#409119 Dec 13, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>You are right. The rcc and You at least(not so sure about Rob) do say that. The scriptures do not.
If Rob believed that they were indeed salvific, why did he say that it was 'probably unnecessary'? Salvific, but probably unnecessary?
Anytime we do not do something God requires of us, we miss out on His grace and His blessings.

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