In answer to you question about the difference in what you teach and what we evangelicals believe..<quoted text>
No, that's not the question. We already know it's salvation through Jesus. Catholics and protestants acknowledge this. The question remains; what is it to 'receive' the gift? You say it's a simple mental acknowledgement and affirmation of His sacrifice and love for us. We say it's more. Both positions have biblical support, but your idea didn't come about until 1500 years later.
I will give you a parable that came from an affleunt Lady that was a Professor of World History in a Roman Catholic College in Holland. That my wife lead to the Lord over the internet in early 2000.
The Foundation of the Gospel (Ephesians 2:20)[kjv]( Name (removed)9/17/05
From:(name removed... author now deceased)
Date: Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:52 am
Subject: Re: The Foundation of the Gospel (Ephesians 2:20)[kjv]
It hadn't been my intention at all to react to this "discussion-item"
any longer, but this time I simply can't resist...
You are SO RIGHT!
Your example of the "fishing-club" really makes-my-day!:)
In first instance it reminds me of a comical-situation that
literally happened in my neighborhood.
A man in my street joined a official fishing-club for the first time
in his life, in order to go and fish for a price.
He prepared himself by taking theoretical-lessons, and afterwards
went to buy every tool-possible for a terrible-amount of money,
although his mates had warned him in advance that he wouldn't need
them at all, as only simple-stuff would be more than sufficient!
The morning of the "competition" arrived, and,-sitting on the river-
bank and looking around-, he got surprised that the other fishermen
had such simple tools with them.
This encouraged him very much; and obviously,- while putting out
his long-long telescopic-rod -, which nearly reached the other
bank, he must already have been dreaming of the price...
Well,- to make a long story short -, suddenly he felt somebody
knocking on his shoulder. It was the Chairman of the fishing-club,
who kindly told him : "Sir, you would have done better to stand with
a short and tiny-simple-little rod on the opposite bank of the
So, dear Pastor, I can entirely "follow" what you are saying
People can make things of the Bible SO DIFFICULT and COMPLICATED
with their sophisticated-tools, that I can't follow their reasoning
I must say that I prefer to stand with a simple-, tiny little rod on
the river-side, in order to now-and-than catch a little fish...:)
I have my PhD in Classical-Ancient-History, and I'm lecturing at
University, but this has proven WORTHLESS for coming to believe in
I have experienced that one needn't this fancy-equipment for living
one's life with Him; on the contrary, I've seen and learned in my
own life, that simply listening to His Word, without adding to it,
is more than enough.
Thanks again for your post!
You Roman Catholics have all your expensive fishing gear that one must for being fishers of men..
But "Jach" (who passed away in 2008) was an agnostic that found Jesus Christ (as Her Lord and Savior)
simply by the presentation of the word of God and faith in Jesus Christ
presented by my Wife (on a Yahoo group..) that simply used a bank pole
a sting and a hook...
Act_16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.