Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

[Makesure100]

Clay wrote:

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I don't know what you're talking about. I just read last Decembers posts and they were more brutal then now.
The remaining Catholics on here are remarkably respectful considering what we're dealing with.
These aren't debates and you know it. You just sling mud all day cuz you hate the Catholic Church.
Anyway, you bore the heck out of me. I suppose I'll stop replying to the same ol garbage too, and maybe you'll think its some sort of victory by you.
Oh well. Yawn.
See, I'm already falling asleep posting this.

I have the scars from my Nuns 25 years ago. Don't tell me how holy the CC is, you freakshow. How would you like to be belted when you asked for a glass of water??

[Bat Foy]

TheBlackSheep wrote:

<quoted text>OK, if you say so. What grade did you get in high school psychology?

College and I did quite well thank you for asking.

[Bat Foy]

TheBlackSheep wrote:

<quoted text>You are missing the point! These are your god's laws! I didn't make them up! No Atheist made them up!

Funny that jesus said that about condemning people, yet you christians condemn Atheists all the time!

"Oh no, BlackSheep, you condemn yourself! First you have to believe in jesus, then we won't throw stones."

No you're trying make the argument that 1 God made a world of hate and murder.
2 If you believe in a mass murdering God than you are guilty by association.
While the idea is absolutely asinine you would also have us believe you're an atheist. Which is in no way true, you just hate God or one reason or another. This is an issue you will have to work out with God no one here can help you.

[Bat Foy]

TheBlackSheep wrote:

<quoted text>Is jesus god? If so, gods cannot die.

If jesus is god or was with god in the beginning, then jesus knew that he could not really die. Therefore, no sacrifice.

So, we can conclude that you do not believe that jesus is god and the trinity is BS.

Cool. It is good to know how one believes.

Here I thought you knew the bible read the book of John. Know the subject matter and come back and see me.

[Bat Foy]

TheBlackSheep wrote:

<quoted text>There is no evidence of a god or jesus, therefore we cannot hate it. We do hate the church and their covering up crimes, the inquisitions, the crusades, intelligent design bs, the forcing the ten commandments into our public builds, etc.

Now, if you and robert could show us this evidence, maybe we would have something to talk about.

How does evolution explain life from non- living matter? How does the Big Bang explain why physics and the laws that govern the universe work? How does science explain the literal billions of missing fossils that would have to be to prove man evolved from ape?

[hojo]

Michael wrote:

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According to your post everyone in our world who is not catholic is not worthy. Is that what you are saying over and over?
Very sad.

Still "making up things" like you usually do Michael! You are so "perverted and obsessed with your hatred and vengeance for Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church, that you will "say or do ANYTHING" out of "sheer spite" and "desperation".---The fact is that I NEVER said that-----ANYONE, who is not a Catholic is not worthy!---Only you could "accuse me of saying this" while at the same time (ASKING ME) if I said it!!---- You, my friend, are in "urgent need" of emotional, spiritual and psychological healing. My family and "continue" to pray for you, Confrinting, Orville, 4GVN, justachristian1, OLDJG, jethro8 and other Catholic "bashing" heretics that God Our Father will bring you to the TRUTH of Salvation in and through His Son Jesus.

[Bat Foy]

I don't see Christians as catholic or not. We are the body! So rather than beat each other down for one doctrine or another we should lift each other up using the words of the bible we all believe. If one of my brothers or sister in Christ are being mistreated I don't ask what denomination they are before coming to help. We are no longer in a time where we can afford to argue over the small stuff (rapture or tribulation which comes first? did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?) the body of Christ should not be divided we are like minded. Witness and help save the lost tell the world about Jesus! The time is here when morality and common sense is a thing of the past where integrity and joy are vanishing Honesty takes a back seat to Convenience. THE WORLD IS IN PAIN and Jesus is the answer.

[Bat Foy]

Makesure100 wrote:

<quoted text>I have the scars from my Nuns 25 years ago. Don't tell me how holy the CC is, you freakshow. How would you like to be belted when you asked for a glass of water??

You really shouldn't hold the whole church accountable for the bad actions of some. All man made organizations have some who are bad.

[Hermeneutics Smutics]

confrinting with the word wrote:

who="TheBlackSheep"
Where did you get all that? Book, chapter and verse, please.
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So far I've got 22 verses from at least a dozen books. It would take a long post. I think I've covered it though.
KayMarie
Deut. 33:27 The Eternal God is your refuge. I Tim. 3:16 God was manifested (revealed) in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Heb. 5:7,8 His sufferings. 1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, AND SHALL BE IN YOU.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and THE DEAD SHALL BE RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Kay Having experienced exchange with this poster I doubt whether all your work finding quotations will mean much to them.

[truth]

psychology

i left church after prayers..
then go toward hospital
have nice cold bottle water..
yes
I just enter in..go few meters..
then i hear
soft voice but woman
soft as angel calling my name..

How they know my name?

How you call that with your diploma of psychology?
''ability to hear''=as sense
or
''sickness''..

I think I am still OK.

[truth]

How you call that when you can listen voice of angel who calling your name?
How they know my name?

We going toward catholic calendar ''innocent children's''..its stay upon my name.

Please tell me how many per year died in hospital as innocent soul?
As well this cathedral is very close with hospital.
How many soul need prayers?

How its look?..tired..very tired..i am very tired!

Asked yourself what they need from you.

[preston]

4GVN wrote:

<quoted text>I am here openly proving that you are indeed a liar. I have posted your own words in which you make the request that God may condemn Billy Grahm to hell. If that is not true I will ask again, "WHAT DO THESE WORDS MEAN".? Why are you refusing to answer the question?

I have answered them for over a week, so whats the big deal?
SO HOW CAN I BE A LIAR. WHAT AM I LYING ABOUT? AM I DENYING THAT I SAID THEM.? OF COURSE NOT! I STAND FIRM IN THOSE WORDS,AND I WILL REPEAT THEM EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK IF IT WOULD BE NECESSARY. his teaching are false and if you are a christian, you would know that.

first, it certainly is not a request that I made to anyone.

it was a statement of how I feel about this liar(he said that he didnt say anything like that, but when the tape was made public, he had to crawl)who broke the commandment of God.

do you understand that?

HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PREACHER, YET HE FAILED THAT VERY SIMPLE TASK, WHICH IS DONT SPEAK EVIL AGANST WHAT WHAT GOD HAS BLESSED
HE BROKE A COMMANDMENT OF GOD.

NOW WHERE DO PEOPLE GO WHO DO THAT?

THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS, THE SAME PLACE THAT YOU ARE HEADING FOR.

[preston]

4GVN wrote:

<quoted text>No, this is just more of your ignorance showing forth. No one deserves to spend an eternity in hell for saying something negative about Israel.(even if it is true)
The ONLY thing that determines one's eternal destiny is "What they have done with Jesus." You teach more false doctrine than ANYONE ON THIS THREAD that 'claims' to be a christian. Even worse for a johnny-jump-up-'preacher'.

it is written, "I am God, I change not".

the very beginning of the Word of God gave out that warning not to speak evil of israel.

it stands true to today just as it did back then.and there was no Preaching of jesus back then so your words are moot.

well kinda moot. it stands to reason that a Preacher cant break the Commandment of God, for it is written.

IF YOU LOVE ME , KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.

as far as being a Preacher, you dont know waht kind that I have been, only one person on here knows that, and that person isnt YOU

Graham has made himself an enemy of God and is therefore at enmity with Him.

Immediately after Graham's statement above, Larry King asks,

How do you feel when you see a lot of these strong Christian leaders go on television and say, you are condemned, you will live in hell if you do not accept Jesus Christ, and they are forceful and judgmental?

GRAHAM: Well, they have a right to say that, and they are true to a certain extent, but I don't -- that's not my calling.

Graham says, "that's not my calling," because he does not believe the gospel; that is, that you will indeed go to hell and suffer eternal torment if you do not receive Jesus Christ (Revelation 21:8).

II. HIS ABORTIONS

Graham believes in the killing of babies. In The Billy Graham Christian Worker's Handbook (copyright 1997 edition) it says,

Billy Graham writes: "We should accept abortion in these cases: rape or incest or if the delivery of the child is a threat to a mother's life." (p. 19, bold added, hard copy on file, see also BGEA's email concerning this statement)
In the 1996 copyright revised 2001 edition it says,

Even sincere Christians may differ on whether or not abortion is ever justified, especially in difficult situations such as rape or incest, or when tests reveal that the unborn child has severe abnormalities.(The Billy Graham Christian Worker's Handbook, p. 21)

This is absolutely horrid! God says, "You shall not murder" (Exodus 20:13). Killing an unborn child is murder no matter how the child was conceived (rape or incest) or what abnormalities he or she may have (see Exodus 21:22-23 "life for life"). The Lord makes the mute, the deaf, and the blind (Exodus 4:11), and it is cruel hatred and murder to kill them.

http://www.atruechurch.info/graham.html

when YOU start to argue with me over what God teaches, you are in way over your head. I have forgotten more than you ever knew.

as far as me teaching any doctrine on this forum, I dont. tho I speak out against false doctrines and false teachers and Preachers and I provide Proof.ypou can support this kind of person all that you want. I dont! and here we see more that jsut speaking evil against Israel. I have proved my case against him. we see that he will not tell people that Jesus isthe Only way, he wants abortion which is what many claimed about obama bfore the election

[preston]

so lets look at graham doctrine and see if it agrees with the bible from the same source.

A similar example of Graham's false god (not the God of the Bible) can be found in his book, Answers To Life's Problems (copyright 1988). On page 130, a wicked person asks,

I know God is mad at me because of the way I have been living. How can I get him back on my side? My life is on a deadend road unless I change, I know, but how can I win God's approval when I have so many bad things against me?

Part of Graham's answer is, "God is on your side. God is not mad at you, but at your sin." (p. 131) The god Graham describes here is not the God of the Bible! For the God of the Bible says, "God is angry with the wicked every day." (Psalm 7:11; see also Psalm 5:5-6; 11:5-6; Ephesians 2:1-3, "children of wrath")

In Graham's book, Answers To Life's Problems, on page 62 Graham writes,

Inside each one of us there is a hunger for God. We may not recognize it, but each of us senses emptiness and a hunger for something. I suspect that your son has been looking for something to fill that spiritual void in his life, and if he has found Christ his spiritual emptiness has been met.

Wicked men do not "hunger for God" (see Psalm 10:3-4)! There is no spiritual emptiness to fill! Scripture never speaks of any such "spiritual void" or "emptiness." Instead, it says that, "they are filled with all unrighteousness" (Romans 1:29), and their hearts "are full of evil" (Ecclesiastes 9:3). Ephesians 2:2 says of those who do not know Christ that "the prince of the power of the air" is the spirit who "now works in the sons of disobedience." In other words, an evil spirit works in those who are without Christ. There is no emptiness. There is a wicked spirit there doing his evil work. AND WE SEE THAT WITH YOU AND YOUR BUDDY, THE SDA CULTIST AND MARGIE PLAYING HER PART IN THIS THRILLER

Graham's gospel is just the opposite of God's. God's gospel describes man as utterly lost with no desire for God whatsoever (apart from the work of God, John 6:44; Romans 1:16-32; 3:10-18). Graham's gospel describes man as one who actually hungers for God, which flatters the sinner (Romans 16:18) and is a lie.

The reason men do evil is because they have rejected the truth, and God has given them a debased mind to do evil (please see Romans 1:28-32).
WHICH IS WHY YOU ISSUED JOHN APEVERTED INVITATION AND YET YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE FORGIVEN, I WOULD ASK YOU FROM WHAT AND BY WHO.CERTAINLY GOD ISNT PLEASED WITH YOUR PERVETED LIFESTYLE

[preston]

Another example of Graham's false gospel can be found on page 228 of Answers To Life's Problems. Here, Graham's falsehood is manifested by the fact that Graham does not believe Christ is enough to save a person from the power of the sin of homosexuality (contrary, of course, to John 8:31-36).

I am a homosexual. I have tried to conquer it and have prayed to God time after time, but nothing changes. I desperately want to deal with it, but I don't know what to do. Please help me.

Graham says that homosexuality is wrong, and then writes,

There are steps that are crucial for you to follow if you are ever to conquer this. First, if you have never asked Christ to come into your life I urge you to do so without delay....

Then get help from others for your problem. Don't be afraid to seek help or to share your problem in confidence with someone you can trust who also can help you. There may be many complex reasons for your homosexual tendencies, and a skilled pastor can probably point you to a Christian psychologist or psychiatrist who has had experience in dealing with others who have been in your situation. Such a person can help you understand yourself and why you have become the person you are, and will also help you - both emotionally and spiritually - to leave your old way of living and become the person Christ wants you to be.(p. 228-229)

Graham's answer is filled with psychology (the wisdom of the world, 1 Corinthians 1:20). With Graham's "Then get help from others ..." he denies the power of the Savior (1 Corinthians 6:9-11). Also, he speaks of the "many complex reasons" for this person's "homosexual tendencies". Scripture gives one simple reason for homosexual tendencies - a rejection of God (Romans 1:18-27). Homosexuality is not a complex issue. Finally, Graham's advice to see a psychologist or psychiatrist is antichrist counsel (see Colossians 2:8-10 & 2 John 7).

[preston]

in this one link it shows that graham doesnt possess the traits of a Good gospel Preacher.

yet many people beleive that he is.

I dont.

he tickles the ears of ignorant people like 4bdn who thinks that he is saved but by his actions on this forum, we see that he is lost

[preston]

VI. HIS FALSE TEACHING ON HELL

In Graham's book, Facing Death And The Life After, Graham wrote, "Even some theologians chose to reject the Bible's clear teaching on hell." (p. 34). Graham himself rejects "the Bible's clear teaching on hell."

Scripture is not unclear about the fact that Hell is a place of fiery torment (Isaiah 66:24; Mark 9:43-48; Matthew 3:12; 5:22; 13:40-42, 49-50; 18:8-9; 25:41; Luke 16: 19-31; John 15:6; Revelation 14:10; 19:20; 20:10, 14-15; 21:8). Yet, Mr. Graham denies this truth. In an interview with Time Magazine (November 15, 1993), Mr. Graham said this about hell:

The only thing I could say for sure is that hell means separation from God. We are separated from his light, from his fellowship. That is going to be hell. When it comes to a literal fire, I don't preach it because I'm not sure about it. When the Scripture uses fire concerning hell, that is possibly an illustration of how terrible it's going to be - not fire but something worse, a thirst for God that cannot be quenched.(p. 74, bold added)

First of all, Scripture never depicts or describes hell as "a thirst for God". In fact, the ungodly man (one who goes to hell) "does not seek God" (Psalm 10:4; 14:2; Romans 3:11); "God is in none of his thoughts" (Psalm 10:4). Secondly, Graham denies hell fire by saying it is "not fire." Yet, Scripture is very clear about the fire of hell. In fact, the rich man in "Hades" in Luke 16:24 said, "I am tormented in this flame."

Now, lest someone argue that Time Magazine misrepresented Graham's beliefs, please note that twenty four years prior Graham preached this same kind of deceit at his 1969 Crusade in New York City. In Graham's book, The Challenge, Sermons from Madison Square Garden, Graham says,

Whatever Hell may be, and there are many mysteries, and I don't intend to solve them all - whatever Hell may mean, it is separation from God.

Now there are three words that Jesus used constantly to describe it. One is called "Fire." Now we know that God has a fire that burns and doesn't consume like the burning bush that Moses experienced. We know that James said,'The tongue is set on fire of hell." We know that that wasn't combustion - that actual literal fire isn't down in your throat and in your tongue. It is symbolic language. And theologians through the centuries have argued and debated over what fire means.

The Bible said, "For our God is a consuming fire."

Jesus told the story about the rich man who went to Hell and he asked that Lazarus may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool his tongue.

Could it be that the fire Jesus talked about is an eternal search for God that is never quenched? Is that what it means? That, indeed, would be hell. To be away from God forever, separated from His Presence.(p. 74-75, italics in original)

The ungodly couldn't care less about being separated from God (Psalm 10:3-4; 14:2-3; Romans 1:28; 3:10-18), and thus being "separated from God" and having an unquenchable "thirst" or "search for God" is no concern to the wicked. This kind of preaching removes the truth that people need to hear (i.e., hell is a place of fiery torment, e.g. Revelation 14:10; 20:10). Graham's falsehood helps remove any true fear of God (Luke 12:4-5). In fact, Time magazine well illustrated Graham's basic message on hell in the above mentioned article. They wrote (regarding his beliefs), "A heaven of powerful spirits, a hell that may be fire-free." (p. 74). A fire-free hell? This is completely the opposite of the teaching of the word of God!

LOOKS LIKE BILLY AINT DOING TO GOOD WITH IT COMES TO HIS PREACHING DOCTRINE. MOSTLY LIES ARE COMING OUT OF HIS MOUTH.

[preston]

In Graham's book, Unto the Hills, on page 10 Graham writes,

To paraphrase the Bible, what shall it profit a man (or a woman) who gains the whole world but loses his or her own family?LOOK AT THIS. THE BIBLE DOESNT SAY THIS AND EVERY NOVICE KNOWS THAT.HERE IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

This does not "paraphrase the Bible", this perverts the Bible (Mark 8:36).
MAYBE GRAHAM NEEDS A BETER WRITER TO PROOF HIS WRITTEN SERMONS.LOL

Another lie in this same book can be found on page 208 where Graham writes, "Jesus told us to fear Satan." You will never find that in holy writ!

Another example of adding to the Word of God can be found in his book entitled, Facing Death And The Life After. On page 215 Graham writes,

What Right Have You to Enter Heaven? Every man and woman who has ever lived will have to answer that question.

Scripture never says this! Likewise, on page 230 (same book) Graham writes,

God did not invent denominations, man did. When we go to His home, He will invite us in, but will not ask us for our church or Sunday school credentials. Only one question will be asked: "What did you do on earth with My Son, Jesus?" It will make no difference whether we were Catholic or Protestant, Jew or Gentile. What matters is whether we believe in Him or reject Him.(bold added)

Scripture never says any such question will be asked. In fact, as an example, in Matthew 25:31-46 the people judged are told what's up, not asked!

[TheBlackSheep]

confrinting with the word wrote:

who="TheBlackSheep"
Where did you get all that? Book, chapter and verse, please.
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So far I've got 22 verses from at least a dozen books. It would take a long post. I think I've covered it though.
KayMarie

No, in post #408440 you made some specific claims and then #408458, you patch worked several verses to try to make them say what you wanted. I could do the same thing with any novel. Pull a sentence from here, add it to this one and that one and make the claim that altogether, they support my story.

If you would step back and take a look at what you did, you would see why there are three major divisions of the same religion. judaism, islam, and christianity. Within each of those three, there are thousands of subdivisions, all because people do, just as you did. A little from here, a little from there, a nice big one from here and poof, we have a new denomination!

This a good read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Heaven

As with any information, I highly suggest that you don't stop there. Read what is has to say, then does some research to see what on the wikipedia page is valid and what is not.

The bible is only about 3,500 years old; it was written and edited for over 1,700 years. Anatomically modern humans evolved about 200,000 years ago. That is a long time between creation and instruction!

[_BobLoblah_]

12Dec12.....

.....The Holy Roman Catholic Church is the ONE True Church.....and...

.....our 'Father Merrin' is gonna visit quite a few 'hateful, hypocritical, hAtheist' posters hereIN in the New Year toooooooo.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah