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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 603883 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#408655 Dec 11, 2012
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KINGS AND KINGDOMS
Today the majority of Christians are no different than the Israelites who wanted a temple and a king, just as Stephen said in his speech. We have built "temples" and we have wanted "kings" to look up to and to tell us what to do and what not to do, what to read and what not to read, what to believe and what not to believe, where to go and where not to go - the list is endless - instead of asking, and hearing, and knowing God for ourselves. The result of all these kings and temples are many religious kingdoms which are sustained by man and not God and which often abuse and exploit people. Jesus gave us the example of true leadership Himself by being a servant and running away when the people wanted to make Him their King (John 6:15). The Kingdom of God is NOT of this world: "My kingdom," said Jesus, "doesn't consist of what you see around you. If it did, My followers would fight so that I wouldn't be handed over to the Jews. But I'm not that kind of king, not the world's kind of king." (John 18:36).
We each need to honestly answer the question: "WHO is king in my life?" A kingdom is a place where the king governs and decides everything. Even though we may not yield to another person as king, often we fail to realise that the one person who may be acting as king by reigning and ruling supreme in our lives, stares back at us every time we look in a mirror! In speaking of who is king in our lives, we are talking about what our heart loves above all else, for the heart is the throne where whomever we love and admire the most resides. When Christ is our King we find ourselves lovingly yielding to Him and seeing His Way, His Truth, and His Life established in our lives as we become like the One we love....
While I saw all this years ago as relating to kings in our lives, it was only recently that Father showed me how this also related to the temple when reading an article entitled "The Tragedy of the Temple" (located at http://www.austin-sparks.net/mags/ttm17-2.htm... ). I saw that building a temple/church reveals that inherent desire of ours to do something for God, and wanting a religious leader to tell us what to do and how to do it reveals our inherent desire to have a king here on earth to govern us. But both a king and a temple are focusing upon what is seen here on earth rather than spiritually perceiving what is unseen (2 Cor. 4:18). They are substitutes for the Real and the True and we often idolise them - allowing them to become the centre of our lives instead of Christ. Whatever we idolise very effectively blinds us from seeing Truth because our eyes are on our idol so we can see nothing past that. We need to be shaken out of our idolatry by hearing God's words deep in our hearts: "THIS is My dearly loved Son, who brings Me great joy; listen to HIM!" May God continue to shatter our idols and open our eyes so that we will see and worship "only Jesus".
"Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation." Heb. 9:11
Clay

Chicago, IL

#408656 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Not true. If a friend came to your door, how would you recieve them? Jesus SAID 'I stand at the door(of your heart) and knock, if any man will OPEN THE DOOR and RECIEVE ME I will come in....
People can let Jesus in the door; have dinner with Him; hear what He has to say, then ask Him to leave.
Its called free will.
Anthony MN

United States

#408657 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps if you read the testamonies of those saved in the bible and see when it was that they were pronounced saved you would have a better understanding.
There are no instances of anyone being pronounced once saved always saved.

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#408658 Dec 11, 2012
on this page, you can see that anthony is addressing your ignorance, and teh next post is one of mine using teh atemcowboy nick

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4gvn wrote:
<quoted text>First of all you have misquoted the bible which says that many other things he DID(not TAUGHT) that are not written. I have also posted a whole series of information as to why the APOCRYPHAL BOOKS are not inspired and should not be in the bible. That should be a pretty good start.
Well, yes, the bible says did, not taught, but I suppose for a sola scriptura adherent unless it's recorded in the KJV it is meaningless to you.

You have posted a whole series of protestant opinion as to why you think the deuterocanon is not inspired, none of which is accurate, historical or agreed with by the same Church that determined the NT canon that your groups do agree with.

And you failed (or refused) to answer my guestions. St. Paul tells us to obey the written and oral tradition. Can you show me where the bible says it is our instruction manual? Can you show us where the bible says the Word of God is limited to what is written in the bible?

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#408659 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>My bible says not by works. Is yours different? Can you show me the passage that says (and good works done in sanctifying grace are necessary)?
You misunderstand your bible . The works St. Paul refers to are works of the law done without grace.

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#408660 Dec 11, 2012
Clay wrote:
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People can let Jesus in the door; have dinner with Him; hear what He has to say, then ask Him to leave.
Its called free will.
good point.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#408661 Dec 11, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
In spite of the lies currently going around, AMERICAN SCHOOLS AND GOVERNMENT WERE ESTABLISHED FOR THE PROTECTION OF CHRISTIANS. They are not the property of unbelievers. Through the grace of Christians, every person is welcome to live here and worship as they please. But please note that EVERYONE OF EVERY RELIGION has been obligated to keep our laws that are based on Judeo/Christian principles...right out of the Bible.
Wrong again. Out of the 613 of god's laws, how many of them are laws in our government?

You know very little about American history!
confrinting with the word wrote:
Sorry, kid. You are too late to tell me that faith doesn't work. I was told that I would not live due to rheumatic fever when I was three years old; when I lived anyway, they said I would never have a family. I am 79 years old. I have nine children. I danced away from crutches at church one night. I was supposed to be on them for four to five months (I had used them ONE WEEK), I never saw them again.
Is that the standard for all christians? NOPE. Can I verify your story? NOPE. If a similar thing happened to a muslim, would that be faith, too? What about me? If a 'miracle' happened to me, would it be due to my faith? Your assertion does not hold up.
confrinting with the word wrote:
We've never gone hungry...and we didn't lean on food stamps or welfare. And that is just for starters...God keeps His own.
No true christian is on food stamps? Good to know!
confrinting with the word wrote:
The reason my faith will not cause everyone to believe the truth, is the fact that people each have free will...including you. You deliberately reject what I have told you because YOU DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE...and that is YOUR freewill. God will not force you to do/believe anything. Why? Because He is showing you what YOU really are.
If I don't believe like you, I am an animal? Good to know.

Seriously, basically what you are saying is: Very thing good that ever happened to you, was due to you being righteous and everything bad that has happened to you was because god lets the rain fall on the just and the unjust.

Now, every bad that happens to me is because the devil is my god/father/whatever and everything good that happens to me is god showing me what life could be like if I followed him.

Rubbish.
confrinting with the word wrote:
All of us who are Christian are in a process of learning from Him. Some of us are 'children'; some are more mature. It is a process...and God gives us a lifetime to fulfill it.
Lots daughters thought that they and their father were the only living people left...all the cities around them were burning. They determined to make their father drunk...then have children by him, so that mankind would not die out. They knew that he would not have done such a thing.
Out of room...
KayMarie
How drunk would you have to be to sleep with your children? Even though I am an evil Atheist, there ain't enough for me to do something like that! As a man, I can tell you that even if there were a point that I would sleep with my daughters, I wouldn't have been able to perform.

Did you ever think about this: While fleeing an evil city, did Lot carry the clothes and food that he needed or enough wine to get him drunk enough to sleep with his own daughters?

Lot, just another biblical story that does not make sense.
Anthony MN

United States

#408662 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>My bible says not by works. Is yours different? Can you show me the passage that says (and good works done in sanctifying grace are necessary)?
BTW, here's your verse;

James 2:24 - the phrase "faith alone" (the Greek "pisteos monon") only occurs once in the Bible. "Man is justified by works and NOT faith alone." Unlike what many Protestant churches teach, no where in Scripture does it say that man is justified or saved by "faith alone." To the contrary, man is not justified by faith alone. In Catholic theology, a person is justified by faith and works acting together, which comes solely from God’s divine grace. Faith alone never obtains the grace of justification (Council of Trent, chapter 8, canon 9). Also, the word “justified”(dikaiow) is the same word Paul uses for justification in Rom. 4:3 in regard to Abraham (so Protestants cannot argue James is not referring to “justification” in James 2:24 unless they argue Paul wasn’t in Rom. 4:3 either).
http://scripturecatholic.com/justification.ht...

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#408663 Dec 11, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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You don't want to understand if you did you would have already. You are lost and do not want to be found. None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
I have always liked that excuse! LOL! It is like you waving the white flag and screeming, "NO! I cannot explain it and I wish you would stop bringing it up!!" LOL!
Loren Eberly

Bellefontaine, OH

#408664 Dec 11, 2012
Us the Government of This Representative Republic:
USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.
The majority of Us the Government of this Representative Republic that vote and the nonvoters that sit on their dead hands and whine; elects President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.
That complies with Realities demands every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.
This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
And enables President and Congress to avoid fiscal cliff and balance every budget.
Us the Government reelecting Obnoxious President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.
That holds Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.
To fund Illegal drug users and Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tax bated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.
Pay for all stimulus packages, tax abatements, tax incentives, tax refunds, tax credit, and tax exemptions.
Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service. With money derived from wages, investment and independent business profit.
This is bankrupting USA. Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.
America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.

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#408665 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Hiding behind a different name LIAR?
this also is one of my first nicks and as you can read, Karen knew who I was.


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May 1, 2008 {{{christian rabbi wrote:}}}

<quoted text>I was thinking the last few days about the blood and at a flea market today, I bought the cd of kevin spencer singing about the blood being applied so I googled it for the words but this came up and I thought you might find it interesting as well as absurd.
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I proceeded to borrow a tape only to quickly find out that their music is no different than Country music. Same twang, same wailing, same musical elements, etc. But yes, the texts did have some good KJV subjects; not the normal subjects sung about in today's Christian 'market'.
As I consider the standard mix of bad music & good words, I always consider this illustration. If someone dropped some good seedless grapes into a box of garbage, would they not mind taking out the grapes and eating them anyway? After all, the grapes do taste good; they would only have to just ignore the garbage around the grape!
Putting good KJV words in a musical package of garbage is no different. A few years ago, we would have never had this Country music style in our churches. But because it was never driven from the home, it eventually has brought itself into the KJV church.
this guy hasnt been in our type of churches, has he?
many people havent a clue as to how to worship God in different ways.
In some Baptist Churches, one person sings the lyrics and the church follows.
and this would really bother some people unless they knew that old time churches were very poor and sometimes only had one songbook and that is how it started and continues to this day.
and i love how it harmonizes

Karen
Yes,that is exactly the way it is in the old timey churchhouses.
That kind of singing is very spiritual.
I love to hear it.
I do not like the new kind of Gospel music either.
I just don't get anything out of it.
But that's me.
Other's may get a blessing from it.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#408666 Dec 11, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Atheists are a myth! All based on lies and hate. No evidence atheists exist so they don't.
Did that make you feel better? LOL!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#408667 Dec 11, 2012
Clay wrote:
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People can let Jesus in the door; have dinner with Him; hear what He has to say, then ask Him to leave.
Its called free will.
Is your god omniscient? Did your god plan everything? Can your god be surprised?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#408668 Dec 11, 2012
News Item:
Despite 'war on Catholics,' faculty and staff at Catholic universities gave overwhelmingly to Obama

About ninety percent of faculty and administrators from America's top Catholic universities who contributed to presidential campaigns in 2012 gave to President Obama, a Campus Reform investigation has revealed.

KM

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#408669 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Hiding behind a different name LIAR?
here I an back in march 08

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Mar 11, 2008 rick wrote:
as an atheiste looking in at all the so called christians in the world ,there can be only be one person who has the right to proclame the faith ,and that he is the person god apointed to lead his so called churh in the future through apostolic succesion from the old and new testement known as peter of was born the cahtolic church we know to day and passed on to the popes we now have

sorry, but Peter was the apostle to the Jew, and Paul, not the one from virginny was the apostle to the gentiles. when did God switch their jobs?

wanna admit that you are mistaken?
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#408670 Dec 11, 2012
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>hah, he is in asingle room, get your own.lol
Of course you would know..........LOL
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#408671 Dec 11, 2012
preston wrote:
some people like 4bdn and the sda cultist need to growup. they bring nothing of any value to this forum, and are not worth talking to.so I shall place them in the "ignore" mode
promises, promises, promises

4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#408672 Dec 11, 2012
Clay wrote:
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People can let Jesus in the door; have dinner with Him; hear what He has to say, then ask Him to leave.
Its called free will.
Clueless Clay, if only you would listen instead of acting like you have it figured out, you would learn something. When we invite Jesus in to be our Lord and Saviour, HE creates in us a NEW BIRTH. Our spirit is quickened(made alive. We were once dead in our trespasses. And He then begins to do a transformation in us to transform us into the image of Christ. And the scripture says that HE(JESUS) who has began a work in us will see it through to completion. Why won't you believe the scriptures? The bible also says that from that moment we are "sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption." AGAIN, why won't you believe the scriptures? The scriptures tell us very definativly that after Christ comes to indwell us at the time of our conversion that "he who has the Son has eternal life, but he who has not the Son is condemned already." AGAIN, why won't you believe what God clearly tells us in His word?

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#408673 Dec 11, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Correction: Evil and petty men. Men wrote the bible to control others.
<quoted text>
No, that is not correct. There are so many problems with the garden of eden!
<quoted text>
Make my quotes sound better? Make them sound as if a loving god made them.
<quoted text>
So, in short, if I do not believe as you do, I am faulty. LOL And you people call me arrogant!
I am not any part of a "you people".You miss every point anyone makes to you. Que Sera Sera, baby
truth

Perth, Australia

#408674 Dec 11, 2012
''man justify by work''

Then woman don't have any justification..7 billions citizen.

Woman's is only slave which still exist..in our human associations since become creation of man and woman.

Rights for woman still in 21 century is not some as well on minimum.

How you call that Anthony with specific decoration for Christmas as perfect gift.

''Silence woman''..you can wrap that in red beautiful roman color..as Roman or any Christians color.

What a about atheist..most as well biggest army on this planet as well organization as atheism without religion is red army as well communist as well labour party.Yes with ''red color'' which represent power as well warning.

Maybe say like this woman except to be silence as slave for entire family.

Red is color of Power..but red is color for warning..most warning as red coming toward woman..how much per day?

When you except that sort of silence you need know
for your family its already happen on creation man and woman...is with ''heart=as faith''..
As you can see where..''heart and substance is blade as ''red color''..

Heart..he art every heart.
Please tell me why I am wrong..because you can't escape without word ''faith'' even if you are atheist or not.
Your Creator created just like that!

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