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“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#408489 Dec 11, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
<quoted text>
No you're trying make the argument that 1 God made a world of hate and murder.
I am just quoting the bible!
Bat Foy wrote:
2 If you believe in a mass murdering God than you are guilty by association.
Re-read that statement, college foy!... I am an Atheist! I do not believe in your god, at all.
Bat Foy wrote:
While the idea is absolutely asinine you would also have us believe you're an atheist.
You know a lot of people who lie about being an Atheist?
Bat Foy wrote:
Which is in no way true, you just hate God or one reason or another.
Why is it not true? Do you know my lack of beliefs better than I!?!? that is amazing! Do all christians know me that well or just you?
Bat Foy wrote:
This is an issue you will have to work out with God no one here can help you.
OK, but I have a meeting with Santa, then with the Tooth Fairy, then with the unicorn king, I can fit a meeting in with your god next Thursday, is that cool?

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#408490 Dec 11, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
Is jesus god? If so, gods cannot die.

If jesus is god or was with god in the beginning, then jesus knew that he could not really die. Therefore, no sacrifice.

So, we can conclude that you do not believe that jesus is god and the trinity is BS.

Cool. It is good to know how one believes.
Bat Foy wrote:
<quoted text>
Here I thought you knew the bible read the book of John. Know the subject matter and come back and see me.
Some 'christians' believe that jesus is god and some believe that he is the son of god, not the same being. That is why there are some many sects of christianity.

christians claim that when they except christ as their personal lord and savior, the holy spirit comes into their hearts and gives them understanding; yet there are so many fighting sects of christianity! Did the holy spirit screw up?

When I would read the instructions on how to set up a Claymore mine, the instructions were very clear, so clear that anyone with a 3rd grade level in reading could follow them and not blow themselves up! I didn't need the holy spirit or the LT to fill my heart with understanding, I just needed to read.

Are you telling me that god, purposely made the bible, so difficult to understand, that even the holy spirit couldn't help most christians?!?! Are you telling me that your god could not have put together an instructional manual equal to what the Army could accomplish?

So, until all christians believe the same way, you cannot use the old, "Here I thought you knew the bible". It is not a valid statement.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#408491 Dec 11, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
<quoted text>
How does evolution explain life from non- living matter? How does the Big Bang explain why physics and the laws that govern the universe work? How does science explain the literal billions of missing fossils that would have to be to prove man evolved from ape?
I am sure that you have been told this before. The Theory of Evolution does not cover abiogenesis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

That a lone tells me that you have a very limited understanding of science. You would rather listen to a preacher telling you that these thing could not have happened than to research them yourself.

You are playing the god of the gaps and with every discovery, the gaps narrow. Modern science is 500 years old at best. Since I have been alive, we have gone from a few main frame computers that ran on tubes, to people having dozens of computer driven devices that they use without even realizing it.

Within a few years, scientist will create life from chemicals and then you would say, who made the chemicals, they could not make themselves. You will be forced to allow the gaps to close tighter, but you won't give up. Good for you!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#408492 Dec 11, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Kay Having experienced exchange with this poster I doubt whether all your work finding quotations will mean much to them.
Pick any topic and then any novel. Within a week, I will piece together 100's of sentences that support the topic that you picked. It will be hard work, but to prove that km really did nothing, it will be worth it.

I can prove that Mark Twain told the truth! His book, "Adventures of Huckleberry Finn", clearly states it. If you do not believe me, then the holy spirit does not live your heart.

Yeah, that is what religion is like.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#408493 Dec 11, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="TheBlackSheep"
If this is something which is unique to scientists, then you may have a case; but it is not. Show me a preacher who is not proud of their 'knowledge' of god.
<quoted text>
The church has been proven wrong many times. Again, not unique to science nor is it an issue that the church is free from.
<quoted text>
Yes, you can take a small portion of science, in this case nutritional science and bad mouth all of the sciences. But it does show that you know nothing about science. If we lived our lives using the science of the bible, where would we be? Pi=3 The universe is about 6,000 years old and so on.
<quoted text>
Again, you do not seem to understand science. You can bring your silly stories of how science has failed, but the only way you are doing that is on one of science's greatest successes. We have two spaceships leaving our solar system. We have people easily living into their 80's.
<quoted text>
That is incorrect. Look how many translations there are! Look at how many christian sects that there are! Try again!
<quoted text>
I have to stop here; not enough room and have to get ready for work.
This last statement tells it all!
<quoted text>
We did learn better! We learned that slavery is wrong! We learned that everyone should be treated equally.
In short; we learned that the christian god's laws on slavery were wrong.
In short; we learned that the christian god's laws on slavery were wrong.
In short; we learned that the christian god's laws on slavery were wrong.
The 6 day creation is wrong.
Pi=3 is wrong.
The two conflicting creations stories are wrong.
The forcing of a rape victim to marry her rapist is wrong.
The inclusion of joseph's lineage was wrong, since jesus' bloodline did not include joseph.
Killing someone for not believing is wrong.
Killing and entire village because one person does not believe is wrong.
This is only the tip of the iceberg and if these things are wrong, then the entire premise is wrong.
**********
You said that "killing someone for NOT believing is wrong".
ME: I agree. The people in our current world who do that are Islamist, and Communists. They've killed millions (including 9/11).
They are promising to kill the 'infidels'(Christians and Jews who BELIEVE).
You said that 'the church has been proven wrong many times'.
Me: Church denominations or individuals have missed the truth at times, but THEY are NOT THE WORD OF GOD. It never fails.
You said "I" didn't understand science. Quite the contrary. SCIENCE is not TRUTH, but a SEARCH FOR KNOWLEDGE. People attempt to disprove the Bible knowledge with 'science', but, as men 'study' science, they learn new things that displace the old. God's Word is eternal.
Makes me think of the Beatles who once said that they were more popular than Jesus Christ. The Beatles are gone and nearly forgotten. Jesus AND the Bible live on.
You are fighting a losing battle...
KayMarie
John: "Well, originally I pointed out that fact in reference to England. That we meant more to kids than Jesus did, or religion at that time....JETHRO:this the statement he made,and it was a true one,more teens were into listening to the beatles than going to church and learning about religion and christ,which was true then and is today,not just with the beatles but with other groups as well,if you asked a teen to choose a concert of their favorite band or go to church instead,the teen would be at the concert.what he said was harmless,it was the media that distorted it to sell newspapers. sounds like another organization i know of,doesn't it?

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#408494 Dec 11, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
12Dec12.....
.....The Holy Roman Catholic Church is the ONE True Church.....and...
.....our 'Father Merrin' is gonna visit quite a few 'hateful, hypocritical, hAtheist' posters hereIN in the New Year toooooooo.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Holy? WHAT's holy about the thing? It is directly responsible for twisting the Scriptures GOD gave us; it has imprisoned, tortured hideously, and murdered millions of innocent people who refused to accept its lies and heresies. It tries in vain to lessen GOD, and promote itself. It has sexually abused more innocent kids than ANY other denomination. It is hate-filled, greedy, and arrogant.
Holy? Forget it.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#408495 Dec 11, 2012
JUST-A-CHRISTIAN wrote:
<quoted text>
Holy? WHAT's holy about the thing? It is directly responsible for twisting the Scriptures GOD gave us; it has imprisoned, tortured hideously, and murdered millions of innocent people who refused to accept its lies and heresies. It tries in vain to lessen GOD, and promote itself. It has sexually abused more innocent kids than ANY other denomination. It is hate-filled, greedy, and arrogant.
Holy? Forget it.
Wow, those are some major accusations...say, you wouldn't have any facts to back any of that up would ya?
Until you're interested in actual truth, you should drop the 'Christian' from your title. Baring false witness is a violation of the ten commandments.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#408496 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>I am here openly proving that you are indeed a liar. I have posted your own words in which you make the request that God may condemn Billy Grahm to hell. If that is not true I will ask again, "WHAT DO THESE WORDS MEAN".? Why are you refusing to answer the question?
4GVN,

You don't seem to understand that Graham and the rest of them have already CONDEMNED themselves for teaching false doctrine.....

It is that simple....

It is NOT you, nor Preston, nor me, nor anyone else....they have done it to themselves.....

Errors from teaching the Word of God can arise from without and from within.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#408497 Dec 11, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>perverts are usually satanic influenced. so yeah you and the sda are friends of the devil.
people only have to read your posts about me to see that.lol
BTW, anthony was to smart to fall for that "nice guy act' that you tried to play on him.
what was your nick when i used to show how evil you are before you switched to this one?
anyway, g/n. gotta pay for something on ebay and then to bed.
Good morning, Preston,

You have NOT condemned anyone.....

Graham and the rest of them have already CONDEMNED themselves from teaching false doctrine....

4GVN just doesn't want to accept these facts....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#408498 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>No, this is just more of your ignorance showing forth. No one deserves to spend an eternity in hell for saying something negative about Israel.(even if it is true)
The ONLY thing that determines one's eternal destiny is "What they have done with Jesus." You teach more false doctrine than ANYONE ON THIS THREAD that 'claims' to be a christian. Even worse for a johnny-jump-up-'preacher'.
4GVN,

You have a lot to learn about spotting false teachers....

Jeremiah 23:16-17

16 This is what the Lord Almighty says:

“DO NOT LISTEN to what the prophets are prophesying to you;
they fill you with FALSE hopes.
They speak visions from their OWN MINDS,
NOT from the MOUTH of the LORD.

17 [[[[[They keep saying to those who despise me,
‘The Lord says: You will have peace.’
And to all who follow the stubbornness of their hearts
they say,‘No harm will come to you.’]]]]]

Did God warn them???

Yes!!!

God had told Israel NOT to listen to the false prophet.

Ephesians 4:14

14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.

They were UNABLE to be GROUNDED in the "Word of God."
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#408499 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>You were discredited long ago by all discerning people on this thread. Those who have no discernment, I can not help. But it is quite obvious.
And what about you???

Are we to listen to your false teachings???

If we do listen to you, we are UNABLE to be GROUNDED in the "Word of God."
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#408500 Dec 11, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Some 'christians' believe that jesus is god and some believe that he is the son of god, not the same being. That is why there are some many sects of christianity.
christians claim that when they except christ as their personal lord and savior, the holy spirit comes into their hearts and gives them understanding; yet there are so many fighting sects of christianity! Did the holy spirit screw up?
When I would read the instructions on how to set up a Claymore mine, the instructions were very clear, so clear that anyone with a 3rd grade level in reading could follow them and not blow themselves up! I didn't need the holy spirit or the LT to fill my heart with understanding, I just needed to read.
Are you telling me that god, purposely made the bible, so difficult to understand, that even the holy spirit couldn't help most christians?!?! Are you telling me that your god could not have put together an instructional manual equal to what the Army could accomplish?
So, until all christians believe the same way, you cannot use the old, "Here I thought you knew the bible". It is not a valid statement.
You said: christians claim that when they except christ as their personal lord and savior

Actually it should read: christians claim that when they ACCEPT christ as their personal lord and savior

***You said something about 3rd grade level. Hang in there...I know a few adults that have gone back to school to get their education. How can we take you seriously when you talk about scripture...come on guy.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#408501 Dec 11, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah and my first question to him was IS THAT YOU PERSY ?
The post had undertiones in it that was in previous conversaion of Persy's and the poster also has the same satanic vendictive carnal minded spirit as Persy.
You may be the one needing to watch out agreeing with his many post that speaks volumes of his bad disposition and character.
Preston is NOT the same as that other poster....

Have you ever heard Preston use that kind of language???

NO!!!!

So why would you even think that they are the same????

Don't start TROUBLE where there IS none...
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#408502 Dec 11, 2012
Full of Love wrote:
<quoted text>
I hardly ever post on here,yet you are saying I agree with his many post?
How can you say that when I very seldom post?
You have said many times that you believe that nasty poster is Preston.
I just don't believe he is.
Preston is NOT that person, FOL....

7th is just trying to start trouble where there is none....

I have NEVER heard Preston use that kind of language....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#408503 Dec 11, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>for and foremost, you have no business asking me anything, we arent friends. capish?
second, she does know me and knows that I have never talked dirty one time on this forum.
i am not like your friends, oddjg, and 4bdn
Don't concern yourself, Preston....

We know it is not you....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#408504 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
4GVN wrote:
preston wrote:
May God find him a nice quite out of the way place in a hot
community. where the sun never shines.
These are Preston's own words in which he asked that God would send Billy Grahm to hell. He even pointed out that I was smarter than another poster for recognizing that fact. BUT now Satan's pawn is trying to deny that that is what he said. He is trying to decieve. He is being a LIAR, while calling everyone else liars.
&&&&&& &&&&&& &&&&&& &&&&&& &&&&&& &&&&&& &&&&&& &&&&&& &&&&&& &&So PERCY, since you are trying to LIE your way out of your OWN WORDS. Tell us what this statement meant.
It means:

That Graham and the rest of them have already CONDEMNED themselves for teaching false doctrine....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#408505 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>You are not like any of my friends.lol In fact I seriously doubt that you have any 'friends' at all. BTW, did you once crawl on your belly?
Yea, I have crawled on my belly during military training....because if you didn't you would be SHOT.....

So what about it???

Have you ever crawled on your belly in service to your country???
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#408506 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
preston wrote:
May God find him a nice quite out of the way place in a hot
community. where the sun never shines.
Have you ever prayed for all of these LOST SOULS that Graham and the others have lead astray???

Ephesians 5:6

6 Let no one deceive you with EMPTY WORDS, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.

False teachers causes SOULS to become "children of disobedience."

Why???

Because they are DISOBEDIENT to the "Word of God."

And, this brings what???

God's WRATH.....
Clay

Chicago, IL

#408507 Dec 11, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
4GVN,
You don't seem to understand that Graham and the rest of them have already CONDEMNED themselves for teaching false doctrine.....
It is that simple....
It is NOT you, nor Preston, nor me, nor anyone else....they have done it to themselves.....
Errors from teaching the Word of God can arise from without and from within.
Graham was raised 'Bible alone'. He was taught from very early on that private interpretation is ok. He preached the word of God how he saw it and with 100% love for Jesus Christ.
Under private interpretation/sola scripture, not one of you can say he was wrong. You guys have no collective agreement of scripture; no dogma.
As for Rev Grahams salvation... God will decide his soul. One thing for sure, he led millions to Jesus Christ- even if those folks weren't taught the fullness of Our Lords will. They still found Christ.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#408508 Dec 11, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you ever prayed for all of these LOST SOULS that Graham and the others have lead astray???
Ephesians 5:6
6 Let no one deceive you with EMPTY WORDS, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
False teachers causes SOULS to become "children of disobedience."
Why???
Because they are DISOBEDIENT to the "Word of God."
And, this brings what???
God's WRATH.....
Not trying to pick a fight Truth...
But whoever is out there teaching that the New Testament is all that is taught about Jesus Christ is teaching falsely.
The two oldest groups, the Catholic and Orthodox do not teach that- for obvious reasons.
Scripture alone, to anyone in the first millennium, would have been extremely foreign. It simply was never taught.

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