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#408482 Dec 11, 2012
so lets look at graham doctrine and see if it agrees with the bible from the same source.
A similar example of Graham's false god (not the God of the Bible) can be found in his book, Answers To Life's Problems (copyright 1988). On page 130, a wicked person asks,
I know God is mad at me because of the way I have been living. How can I get him back on my side? My life is on a deadend road unless I change, I know, but how can I win God's approval when I have so many bad things against me?
Part of Graham's answer is, "God is on your side. God is not mad at you, but at your sin." (p. 131) The god Graham describes here is not the God of the Bible! For the God of the Bible says, "God is angry with the wicked every day." (Psalm 7:11; see also Psalm 5:5-6; 11:5-6; Ephesians 2:1-3, "children of wrath")
In Graham's book, Answers To Life's Problems, on page 62 Graham writes,
Inside each one of us there is a hunger for God. We may not recognize it, but each of us senses emptiness and a hunger for something. I suspect that your son has been looking for something to fill that spiritual void in his life, and if he has found Christ his spiritual emptiness has been met.
Wicked men do not "hunger for God" (see Psalm 10:3-4)! There is no spiritual emptiness to fill! Scripture never speaks of any such "spiritual void" or "emptiness." Instead, it says that, "they are filled with all unrighteousness" (Romans 1:29), and their hearts "are full of evil" (Ecclesiastes 9:3). Ephesians 2:2 says of those who do not know Christ that "the prince of the power of the air" is the spirit who "now works in the sons of disobedience." In other words, an evil spirit works in those who are without Christ. There is no emptiness. There is a wicked spirit there doing his evil work. AND WE SEE THAT WITH YOU AND YOUR BUDDY, THE SDA CULTIST AND MARGIE PLAYING HER PART IN THIS THRILLER
Graham's gospel is just the opposite of God's. God's gospel describes man as utterly lost with no desire for God whatsoever (apart from the work of God, John 6:44; Romans 1:16-32; 3:10-18). Graham's gospel describes man as one who actually hungers for God, which flatters the sinner (Romans 16:18) and is a lie.
The reason men do evil is because they have rejected the truth, and God has given them a debased mind to do evil (please see Romans 1:28-32).
WHICH IS WHY YOU ISSUED JOHN APEVERTED INVITATION AND YET YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE FORGIVEN, I WOULD ASK YOU FROM WHAT AND BY WHO.CERTAINLY GOD ISNT PLEASED WITH YOUR PERVETED LIFESTYLE
#408483 Dec 11, 2012
Another example of Graham's false gospel can be found on page 228 of Answers To Life's Problems. Here, Graham's falsehood is manifested by the fact that Graham does not believe Christ is enough to save a person from the power of the sin of homosexuality (contrary, of course, to John 8:31-36).
I am a homosexual. I have tried to conquer it and have prayed to God time after time, but nothing changes. I desperately want to deal with it, but I don't know what to do. Please help me.
Graham says that homosexuality is wrong, and then writes,
There are steps that are crucial for you to follow if you are ever to conquer this. First, if you have never asked Christ to come into your life I urge you to do so without delay....
Then get help from others for your problem. Don't be afraid to seek help or to share your problem in confidence with someone you can trust who also can help you. There may be many complex reasons for your homosexual tendencies, and a skilled pastor can probably point you to a Christian psychologist or psychiatrist who has had experience in dealing with others who have been in your situation. Such a person can help you understand yourself and why you have become the person you are, and will also help you - both emotionally and spiritually - to leave your old way of living and become the person Christ wants you to be.(p. 228-229)
Graham's answer is filled with psychology (the wisdom of the world, 1 Corinthians 1:20). With Graham's "Then get help from others ..." he denies the power of the Savior (1 Corinthians 6:9-11). Also, he speaks of the "many complex reasons" for this person's "homosexual tendencies". Scripture gives one simple reason for homosexual tendencies - a rejection of God (Romans 1:18-27). Homosexuality is not a complex issue. Finally, Graham's advice to see a psychologist or psychiatrist is antichrist counsel (see Colossians 2:8-10 & 2 John 7).
#408484 Dec 11, 2012
in this one link it shows that graham doesnt possess the traits of a Good gospel Preacher.
yet many people beleive that he is.
he tickles the ears of ignorant people like 4bdn who thinks that he is saved but by his actions on this forum, we see that he is lost
#408485 Dec 11, 2012
VI. HIS FALSE TEACHING ON HELL
In Graham's book, Facing Death And The Life After, Graham wrote, "Even some theologians chose to reject the Bible's clear teaching on hell." (p. 34). Graham himself rejects "the Bible's clear teaching on hell."
Scripture is not unclear about the fact that Hell is a place of fiery torment (Isaiah 66:24; Mark 9:43-48; Matthew 3:12; 5:22; 13:40-42, 49-50; 18:8-9; 25:41; Luke 16: 19-31; John 15:6; Revelation 14:10; 19:20; 20:10, 14-15; 21:8). Yet, Mr. Graham denies this truth. In an interview with Time Magazine (November 15, 1993), Mr. Graham said this about hell:
The only thing I could say for sure is that hell means separation from God. We are separated from his light, from his fellowship. That is going to be hell. When it comes to a literal fire, I don't preach it because I'm not sure about it. When the Scripture uses fire concerning hell, that is possibly an illustration of how terrible it's going to be - not fire but something worse, a thirst for God that cannot be quenched.(p. 74, bold added)
First of all, Scripture never depicts or describes hell as "a thirst for God". In fact, the ungodly man (one who goes to hell) "does not seek God" (Psalm 10:4; 14:2; Romans 3:11); "God is in none of his thoughts" (Psalm 10:4). Secondly, Graham denies hell fire by saying it is "not fire." Yet, Scripture is very clear about the fire of hell. In fact, the rich man in "Hades" in Luke 16:24 said, "I am tormented in this flame."
Now, lest someone argue that Time Magazine misrepresented Graham's beliefs, please note that twenty four years prior Graham preached this same kind of deceit at his 1969 Crusade in New York City. In Graham's book, The Challenge, Sermons from Madison Square Garden, Graham says,
Whatever Hell may be, and there are many mysteries, and I don't intend to solve them all - whatever Hell may mean, it is separation from God.
Now there are three words that Jesus used constantly to describe it. One is called "Fire." Now we know that God has a fire that burns and doesn't consume like the burning bush that Moses experienced. We know that James said,'The tongue is set on fire of hell." We know that that wasn't combustion - that actual literal fire isn't down in your throat and in your tongue. It is symbolic language. And theologians through the centuries have argued and debated over what fire means.
The Bible said, "For our God is a consuming fire."
Jesus told the story about the rich man who went to Hell and he asked that Lazarus may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool his tongue.
Could it be that the fire Jesus talked about is an eternal search for God that is never quenched? Is that what it means? That, indeed, would be hell. To be away from God forever, separated from His Presence.(p. 74-75, italics in original)
The ungodly couldn't care less about being separated from God (Psalm 10:3-4; 14:2-3; Romans 1:28; 3:10-18), and thus being "separated from God" and having an unquenchable "thirst" or "search for God" is no concern to the wicked. This kind of preaching removes the truth that people need to hear (i.e., hell is a place of fiery torment, e.g. Revelation 14:10; 20:10). Graham's falsehood helps remove any true fear of God (Luke 12:4-5). In fact, Time magazine well illustrated Graham's basic message on hell in the above mentioned article. They wrote (regarding his beliefs), "A heaven of powerful spirits, a hell that may be fire-free." (p. 74). A fire-free hell? This is completely the opposite of the teaching of the word of God!
LOOKS LIKE BILLY AINT DOING TO GOOD WITH IT COMES TO HIS PREACHING DOCTRINE. MOSTLY LIES ARE COMING OUT OF HIS MOUTH.
#408486 Dec 11, 2012
In Graham's book, Unto the Hills, on page 10 Graham writes,
To paraphrase the Bible, what shall it profit a man (or a woman) who gains the whole world but loses his or her own family?LOOK AT THIS. THE BIBLE DOESNT SAY THIS AND EVERY NOVICE KNOWS THAT.HERE IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
This does not "paraphrase the Bible", this perverts the Bible (Mark 8:36).
MAYBE GRAHAM NEEDS A BETER WRITER TO PROOF HIS WRITTEN SERMONS.LOL
Another lie in this same book can be found on page 208 where Graham writes, "Jesus told us to fear Satan." You will never find that in holy writ!
Another example of adding to the Word of God can be found in his book entitled, Facing Death And The Life After. On page 215 Graham writes,
What Right Have You to Enter Heaven? Every man and woman who has ever lived will have to answer that question.
Scripture never says this! Likewise, on page 230 (same book) Graham writes,
God did not invent denominations, man did. When we go to His home, He will invite us in, but will not ask us for our church or Sunday school credentials. Only one question will be asked: "What did you do on earth with My Son, Jesus?" It will make no difference whether we were Catholic or Protestant, Jew or Gentile. What matters is whether we believe in Him or reject Him.(bold added)
Scripture never says any such question will be asked. In fact, as an example, in Matthew 25:31-46 the people judged are told what's up, not asked!
Since: Jul 09
#408487 Dec 11, 2012
No, in post #408440 you made some specific claims and then #408458, you patch worked several verses to try to make them say what you wanted. I could do the same thing with any novel. Pull a sentence from here, add it to this one and that one and make the claim that altogether, they support my story.
If you would step back and take a look at what you did, you would see why there are three major divisions of the same religion. judaism, islam, and christianity. Within each of those three, there are thousands of subdivisions, all because people do, just as you did. A little from here, a little from there, a nice big one from here and poof, we have a new denomination!
This a good read:
As with any information, I highly suggest that you don't stop there. Read what is has to say, then does some research to see what on the wikipedia page is valid and what is not.
The bible is only about 3,500 years old; it was written and edited for over 1,700 years. Anatomically modern humans evolved about 200,000 years ago. That is a long time between creation and instruction!
Since: Apr 11
#408488 Dec 11, 2012
.....The Holy Roman Catholic Church is the ONE True Church.....and...
.....our 'Father Merrin' is gonna visit quite a few 'hateful, hypocritical, hAtheist' posters hereIN in the New Year toooooooo.
Forever and Ever
Since: Jul 09
#408489 Dec 11, 2012
I am just quoting the bible!
Re-read that statement, college foy!... I am an Atheist! I do not believe in your god, at all.
You know a lot of people who lie about being an Atheist?
Why is it not true? Do you know my lack of beliefs better than I!?!? that is amazing! Do all christians know me that well or just you?
OK, but I have a meeting with Santa, then with the Tooth Fairy, then with the unicorn king, I can fit a meeting in with your god next Thursday, is that cool?
Since: Jul 09
#408490 Dec 11, 2012
Some 'christians' believe that jesus is god and some believe that he is the son of god, not the same being. That is why there are some many sects of christianity.
christians claim that when they except christ as their personal lord and savior, the holy spirit comes into their hearts and gives them understanding; yet there are so many fighting sects of christianity! Did the holy spirit screw up?
When I would read the instructions on how to set up a Claymore mine, the instructions were very clear, so clear that anyone with a 3rd grade level in reading could follow them and not blow themselves up! I didn't need the holy spirit or the LT to fill my heart with understanding, I just needed to read.
Are you telling me that god, purposely made the bible, so difficult to understand, that even the holy spirit couldn't help most christians?!?! Are you telling me that your god could not have put together an instructional manual equal to what the Army could accomplish?
So, until all christians believe the same way, you cannot use the old, "Here I thought you knew the bible". It is not a valid statement.
Since: Jul 09
#408491 Dec 11, 2012
I am sure that you have been told this before. The Theory of Evolution does not cover abiogenesis.
That a lone tells me that you have a very limited understanding of science. You would rather listen to a preacher telling you that these thing could not have happened than to research them yourself.
You are playing the god of the gaps and with every discovery, the gaps narrow. Modern science is 500 years old at best. Since I have been alive, we have gone from a few main frame computers that ran on tubes, to people having dozens of computer driven devices that they use without even realizing it.
Within a few years, scientist will create life from chemicals and then you would say, who made the chemicals, they could not make themselves. You will be forced to allow the gaps to close tighter, but you won't give up. Good for you!
Since: Jul 09
#408492 Dec 11, 2012
Pick any topic and then any novel. Within a week, I will piece together 100's of sentences that support the topic that you picked. It will be hard work, but to prove that km really did nothing, it will be worth it.
I can prove that Mark Twain told the truth! His book, "Adventures of Huckleberry Finn", clearly states it. If you do not believe me, then the holy spirit does not live your heart.
Yeah, that is what religion is like.
Since: Nov 08
#408493 Dec 11, 2012
John: "Well, originally I pointed out that fact in reference to England. That we meant more to kids than Jesus did, or religion at that time....JETHRO:this the statement he made,and it was a true one,more teens were into listening to the beatles than going to church and learning about religion and christ,which was true then and is today,not just with the beatles but with other groups as well,if you asked a teen to choose a concert of their favorite band or go to church instead,the teen would be at the concert.what he said was harmless,it was the media that distorted it to sell newspapers. sounds like another organization i know of,doesn't it?
Since: Aug 12
#408494 Dec 11, 2012
Holy? WHAT's holy about the thing? It is directly responsible for twisting the Scriptures GOD gave us; it has imprisoned, tortured hideously, and murdered millions of innocent people who refused to accept its lies and heresies. It tries in vain to lessen GOD, and promote itself. It has sexually abused more innocent kids than ANY other denomination. It is hate-filled, greedy, and arrogant.
Holy? Forget it.
#408495 Dec 11, 2012
Wow, those are some major accusations...say, you wouldn't have any facts to back any of that up would ya?
Until you're interested in actual truth, you should drop the 'Christian' from your title. Baring false witness is a violation of the ten commandments.
#408496 Dec 11, 2012
You don't seem to understand that Graham and the rest of them have already CONDEMNED themselves for teaching false doctrine.....
It is that simple....
It is NOT you, nor Preston, nor me, nor anyone else....they have done it to themselves.....
Errors from teaching the Word of God can arise from without and from within.
#408497 Dec 11, 2012
Good morning, Preston,
You have NOT condemned anyone.....
Graham and the rest of them have already CONDEMNED themselves from teaching false doctrine....
4GVN just doesn't want to accept these facts....
#408498 Dec 11, 2012
You have a lot to learn about spotting false teachers....
16 This is what the Lord Almighty says:
“DO NOT LISTEN to what the prophets are prophesying to you;
they fill you with FALSE hopes.
They speak visions from their OWN MINDS,
NOT from the MOUTH of the LORD.
17 [[[[[They keep saying to those who despise me,
‘The Lord says: You will have peace.’
And to all who follow the stubbornness of their hearts
they say,‘No harm will come to you.’]]]]]
Did God warn them???
God had told Israel NOT to listen to the false prophet.
14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.
They were UNABLE to be GROUNDED in the "Word of God."
#408499 Dec 11, 2012
And what about you???
Are we to listen to your false teachings???
If we do listen to you, we are UNABLE to be GROUNDED in the "Word of God."
#408500 Dec 11, 2012
You said: christians claim that when they except christ as their personal lord and savior
Actually it should read: christians claim that when they ACCEPT christ as their personal lord and savior
***You said something about 3rd grade level. Hang in there...I know a few adults that have gone back to school to get their education. How can we take you seriously when you talk about scripture...come on guy.
#408501 Dec 11, 2012
Preston is NOT the same as that other poster....
Have you ever heard Preston use that kind of language???
So why would you even think that they are the same????
Don't start TROUBLE where there IS none...
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