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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 637021 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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preston

Waverly, OH

#408392 Dec 10, 2012
4GVN wrote:
preston wrote:
May God find him a nice quite out of the way place in a hot
community. where the sun never shines.
These are Preston's own words in which he asked that God would send Billy Grahm to hell. He even pointed out that I was smarter than another poster for recognizing that fact. BUT now Satan's pawn is trying to deny that that is what he said. He is trying to decieve. He is being a LIAR, while calling everyone else liars.
If I were to say to someone, "may God grant you a good day," it is evident that I have just requested that God do that for you. If PRESTON says. "may God find him a nice quiet place in a HOT community where the SUN NEVER SHINES." it is obvious that he is asking God to send Billy Grahm to hell. Yep this preacher impersonator attempts to JUDGE Billy Grahm and ask God to damn him.
Any one with half a brain would know that BILLY Grahm would never stoop as low as this. God bless Billy Grahm for all the good he has done in Jesus name. God forgive Preston.
I most certainly did not "ask" God to send graham to hell, I am not like Orville. nor am I praying for graham to be sent to hell,

however that is the place that God has reserved for the devil and those who follow him, people like you for instance.

God has dictated that people like graham who speaks harshly against Israel will be sent to hell. you cant change that and I support God 100%.

even now, today,we see that the Nations are coming against Israel as the Bible foretold.and those nations will be punished when all is said and done.

but the Word that was spoken by God also implicates individuals too, and that includes false teachers also.

you and the sda cultist can make me out to be as evil as you wish, I dont care.

I knew a long time ago, that to support the Word of God would not make me popular with the devil and his friends.

so I will not lose any sleep over what a pervert like you thinks.

let God be true and graham reap what he has sowed.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#408393 Dec 10, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
I very much agree! Indoctrination is the most difficult chain to break!
The ones who were not indoctrinated as children, are often recovering addicts.
I believe that education and the free flow of ideas is more the reason for people breaking the chain. I rarely read the bible when I was young and attended church most Sundays. Why should I? The preachers and teachers told me what verses to read and memorize. I didn't need to read more than that!
One day, I didn't listen to the preacher. I didn't close my bible and listen to him. He wanted me to stop at the end of Exodus 20 and I kept on going! Exodus 21 is where I found out the god was cool with killing slaves! WTF!?!? That did not jive with my history lessons at school!
So I read more! I didn't know that Lot impregnated his two daughters!! Holy Crap! And he was the one god saved! At a young age, I knew that sleeping with family members was wrong!
I decided that I would ask some questions and everyone blamed the daughters!! WTF!?!? If the bible god saved a incestuous pedophile and said that it was alright to murder a slave; what the hell kind of god was I believing in!
Many christians refuse to hear about these things, but thanks to the internet, they are going to.
I lost it at the Adam and Eve story.

EVERYONE in our world is penalized because two imperfect beings "WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE" made a mistake as the story goes, and were not given a chance for redemption.

Its all about Control by instilling FEAR, and power and money, and all religions have or do that.

I was raised a catholic and left about 14 years ago, like so many other ex-catholics on this forum. Its loaded!


Why would any God worth his salt, create a world of people over tens of thousands of years, with different beliefs, fighting each other all claimng righteousness.

If there is a God and this is an experiment. FAILURE!

makes no common sense..........




Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#408394 Dec 10, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
TBS
Yes....Moral people have sense of justice, and can act upon it. And
you an immoral, or amoral person has no sense of justice. That is why you would not defend a defenseless person, even your own children.
Germany would have taken over here in WWII by now, so you would not exist, if it had not been for moral people. It is thanks to moral people the West was spared....
We tried in the East, but it has been a tough fight.
You can welcome China here, and your sons and daughters can go directly to the "work" camps and die, there is no compromise....
Robert says......

...Yes....Moral people have sense of justice, and can act upon it. And
you an immoral, or amoral person has no sense of justice. That is why you would not defend a defenseless person, even your own children.

Michael says......A load of crap!

Maybe you should start with! notifying all the catholic bishops around the world how angry you are at them, who LIED, DECEIVED, and COVERED up the worst sins of all, protecting other clergy who taught you Robert to never commit such sins as they did.

..Where was their sense of justice and morality? Protecting the sanctity of the church and not OUR CHILDREN. Very sad!

UNBELIEVABLE!

Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#408395 Dec 10, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
..I am only here to confront You Roman Catholics with the truth from the word of God....
Over the years.... that I have been on this forum...
none with the exception of Herme ...
who is (Orthodox) Catholic. and Father Rob who has been kind. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES
that has made an effort to converse with me.
The rest of you have spent your time calling me names....
Evidently you don't know what you believe, or why you believe it.
You certainly cannot give any scriptural validation/evidence for
what you claim to be true..
None of you have made any effort to do so.
Evidently just taking someone else's word for it satisfies you...and
searching out examining it, comparing to the Bible for truth is
considered taboo..
You just can't question what you are told...
But be assured...if they are IN ERROR...you will be in Hell together..
WHAT IF YOU.TRUST.. BELIEVE WHAT THEY HAVE SAID... YOU FIND THEY ARE WRONG ---AND YOU ARE ARE DEAD...WHAT THEN?
Kudos to Father Rob and Herm. I for one, treated you with the utmost respect the first 10 times you falsely accused me of worshipping statues. The next 70 times I haven't treated you with very much respect I'll admit. I'll try to do better though.

But how many times have you declared me going to Hell??
Your above post,(about the Catholic Church and us Catholics) "But be assured... If they are if error...you will be in Hell together"

Gee thanks Confrint.

I can plead to God, that I read from scripture that Jesus was starting a Church that He would protect til the end of the world. I found the Church that can be traced to that time, so my hands are washed.

But what if you're in error?

Surely a man who's logged as many bible study hrs as you, can show me where Christ instructed His Apostles to form a Bible- to let the folks translate and figure out His ministry.
Where is sola Scripture instructed.

Remember, "all scripture is useful" and the Catholic Church couldn't agree more...but its not the only thing, so don't put words into Pauls mouth.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#408396 Dec 10, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I most certainly did not "ask" God to send graham to hell, I am not like Orville. nor am I praying for graham to be sent to hell,
however that is the place that God has reserved for the devil and those who follow him, people like you for instance.
God has dictated that people like graham who speaks harshly against Israel will be sent to hell. you cant change that and I support God 100%.
even now, today,we see that the Nations are coming against Israel as the Bible foretold.and those nations will be punished when all is said and done.
but the Word that was spoken by God also implicates individuals too, and that includes false teachers also.
you and the sda cultist can make me out to be as evil as you wish, I dont care.
I knew a long time ago, that to support the Word of God would not make me popular with the devil and his friends.
so I will not lose any sleep over what a pervert like you thinks.
let God be true and graham reap what he has sowed.
YOUR WORDS ARE THERE FOR ALL TO SEE. Kind of hard to LIE your way out of them. All can see for themselves and judge accordingly.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#408397 Dec 10, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Why then are those in the scripture commended for searching the scriptures to 'verify the truth' of that being taught? Weighing it against the teaching of an apostle. You are obviously mistaken.
This is the part where you get proven wrong, but ignore it.

Paul is telling Timothy all scripture - meaning the Hebrew books we now call the Old Testament - is useful for correction and verifying truth.
The Church agrees 100% with Paul, that's why they put his letter to Timothy in the Bible.

Now, show me where it says scripture is the ONLY thing. Thank you.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#408398 Dec 10, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Michael
You are funny...
Of course the U.S. was never a Christian theocracy....We all know that....
Catholicism is not worried....We all know that....
As the U.S. becomes more secularized, it will reaps it rewards....We all know that....
When enemies of the U.S. attack there will be no moral fibre left to resist(its on the wane already), and it will be enslaved. Thats secularism for you....
Don't be worried....We all know that....
You are funny.
ROBERT F. says....

....Of course the U.S. was never a Christian theocracy.

MICHAEL says......

Its good to know you are happy that america isn't a Christian theocracy, even though the belief itself is.

The greatest threats that we have had have been ones within your very church. The ones who have lurked for centuries, in almost every diocese, robbing young children of their innocense, as the their superiors stoodbye looking the other way, denying and lieing, as ones like you said NOTHING! or very little at all.

In this battle, the enemy has already come and gone.....

Very sad!





“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#408399 Dec 10, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
TBS
Yes....Moral people have sense of justice, and can act upon it. And
you an immoral, or amoral person has no sense of justice. That is why you would not defend a defenseless person, even your own children.
Germany would have taken over here in WWII by now, so you would not exist, if it had not been for moral people. It is thanks to moral people the West was spared....
We tried in the East, but it has been a tough fight.
You can welcome China here, and your sons and daughters can go directly to the "work" camps and die, there is no compromise....
So, my service to my country was meaningless?
preston

Waverly, OH

#408400 Dec 10, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Your bias is overshadowing your discernment. If you cannot or will not see that he is perhaps the most hateful and judgemental person on this thread then I am disapppointed in you. NO one attacks and accuses and slanders in such a manner. The man has attacked some of the greatest ministers of God in this generation. Such men as Adrian Rodgers, Charles Stanley and Billy Grahm to name a few. He has asked God to send Billy Grahm to hell. He is an anti-christ, and your unholy allience is sad to witness.
BIAS?

ANYONE CAN SEE THAT ANY BAIS ON THIS FORUM IN DIRECTED AT ME BY FRIENDS OF THE DEVIL IN WHICH YOU ARE INCLUDED.

this is a public forum and I have that right to say what I please and when I please.

those preachers that you mention preach a Gospel that is not in the Bible, therfore it behooves me to stand against them as the Bible and God tells me too.

as far as being hateful? your light so far outshines mine, it seems as if mine dosnt even come on..

unholy? I stand for God and His Word, those are considered comely traits and are welcomed by God.

it has never been a sin to stand against liars, fruads, perverts and false teachers. nor am I to be silenced by people like them, if I would, God would be displeased by me, so I had better mind Him rather than people like you.

I AM NOT GOING TO LOSE MY SOUL JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE WHAT I STAND FOR.

so as i challenged mr fraud to prove any slander on my part, lets see you prove that I have slandered anyone.

they are public figures therefore the charge is almost impossible for you to prove, you did know that, didnt you

be mindful of the FACT THAT THE TRUTH IS A PERFECT DEFENSE AGAINST THAT CHARGE.LOL.

you really have a lot of hate in your body and soul, you need to get saved and let God take that away from the demons inside you
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#408401 Dec 10, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Kudos to Father Rob and Herm. I for one, treated you with the utmost respect the first 10 times you falsely accused me of worshipping statues. The next 70 times I haven't treated you with very much respect I'll admit. I'll try to do better though.
But how many times have you declared me going to Hell??
Your above post,(about the Catholic Church and us Catholics) "But be assured... If they are if error...you will be in Hell together"
Gee thanks Confrint.
I can plead to God, that I read from scripture that Jesus was starting a Church that He would protect til the end of the world. I found the Church that can be traced to that time, so my hands are washed.
But what if you're in error?
Surely a man who's logged as many bible study hrs as you, can show me where Christ instructed His Apostles to form a Bible- to let the folks translate and figure out His ministry.
Where is sola Scripture instructed.
Remember, "all scripture is useful" and the Catholic Church couldn't agree more...but its not the only thing, so don't put words into Pauls mouth.
CLAY.......every year you and the rest of the few remaining catholics on here like clockwork a few days from christmas will ALL OF A SUDDEN change your tone and be respectful to all the protestants on here. You will talk nice as the christmas season approaches. I see it every year. You will share commonalities, but come DECEMBER 26TH or there about, you and the few remaining catholics will once again bring out your swords of hatred and name calling as the Christmas season fades from our memories once again.

Mark my words and remember this post number.

UNBELIEVABLE!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#408402 Dec 10, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
I lost it at the Adam and Eve story.
EVERYONE in our world is penalized because two imperfect beings "WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE" made a mistake as the story goes, and were not given a chance for redemption.
Its all about Control by instilling FEAR, and power and money, and all religions have or do that.
I was raised a catholic and left about 14 years ago, like so many other ex-catholics on this forum. Its loaded!
Why would any God worth his salt, create a world of people over tens of thousands of years, with different beliefs, fighting each other all claimng righteousness.
If there is a God and this is an experiment. FAILURE!
makes no common sense..........
I am an ex-presbyterian. I remember as a young child thinking, If god would have put me there, I would have listened! Why didn't adam? The only answer I got was, You are human, you would have failed, too.

You mean it was a test that no one could pass?

Shut up and stop questioning god.
preston

Waverly, OH

#408403 Dec 10, 2012
Billy Graham, For more than thirty years Mr. Graham has been spreading his 'gospel of sin.' Although he may be of the utmost integrity and moral fiber in our society, he is NOT preaching 'Strive to enter by the Narrow Way' nor is he warning the people that 'continuing' in sin will be ruinous to their souls. Thousands if not millions of people have been duped into 'believing' they have salvation because they have responded to one of his huge altar calls and repeated some words. In fact if a detailed record of all his massive crusades were revealed, from beginning to now, chances are likely that the 'responders' over time would equal almost the entire population the United States! Yet the moral climate of our country has only gotten worse over the past four decades. If all these people were indeed 'saved,' as Mr. Graham and thousands of other preachers like him believe, WHY is our nation awash in pornography, violence and sexual immorality? The EVIDENCE speaks for itself to any honest observer. Preach a message designed to keep people in bondage to their sin nature and tell them that nothing can be done to prevent daily sin in thought, word and deed, and you have your answer. Churches that have 'known the depths of Satan'(Rev2:24) and wallow in sexual immorality.

Charles Stanley. Here's a Wolf who preaches the EXACT Opposite of what the Bible has to say about sin, redemption and inheriting the kingdom, but millions follow him blindly down the Path to Destruction! Read his own quotes and be amazed how easily people are deceived into believing a false gospel and supporting the devil's ministry.

Adrian Rogers. Just more of the same. Another perfect example of the License to sin religion being preached far and wide today across our airwaves and in the churches. The question is NEVER 'how can I live a live pleasing unto the Lord, blameless in His sight, in sincerity and truth.' It's always 'HOW MUCH sin can I get away with and still make it in!' These men are quick to oblige with the ear pleasing answer. No matter how much they have to twist the Scriptures or pervert the truth, nothing is too much to protect their precious 'false' doctrine of eternal security.

GUESS THIS PERSON IS GUILTY OF SLANDER ALSO.LOL

AND HERE IS ANOTHER THAT I HAVE SPOKEN AGAINST.

Charles Haddon Spurgeon, a follower of 'Christ' or a disciple of John Calvin?
Charles Haddon (C.H.) Spurgeon (June 19, 1834 January 31, 1892) was a British Particular Baptist preacher who remains highly influential among Christians of different denominations, among whom he is still known as the "Prince of Preachers". He was a strong figure in the Reformed Baptist tradition, defending the Church in agreement with the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith understanding, and opposing the liberal and pragmatic theological tendencies in the Church in his day. With his golden voice he deceived millions preaching the Gospel of Sin. He was an outspoken Calvinist and severely criticized anyone who strayed from Reformed Doctrine.

SORRY, CHUCK, BUT THIS DEVILISH CREATURE HAS ATTACKED ME AND I AM ONLY DEFENDING MYSELF. NOT MY CHOICE
http://www.standingthegap.org/Refuted.htm
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#408404 Dec 10, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
So, my service to my country was meaningless?
We both probably live more moral lives than he does.

At least when crime arises, we are not afraid to respond. Can't say that about many catholics as they sat on their hands during all these scandals saying NOTHING!.........that still continue today.

Many people of faith are brainwashed to believe anyone not associated with them are not up to their standards of morality and justice, however we know for a FACT that per capita there are more christians sitting in jail and prison cells than non believers.

Since: Sep 12

Fort Worth, TX

#408405 Dec 10, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>If he is alive, what did he sacrifice?
Himself he still died. The resurrection is the Miracle. As you know the bible so well why ask me?

Since: Sep 12

Fort Worth, TX

#408406 Dec 10, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>Oh ye of little reading!

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel.(Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.(Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.(Exodus 21:15 NAB)

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense.(Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.(Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.(Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.(2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Are you still reading? I bet not.

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.(Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.(Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

We are not done yet, but you get the idea. You lied!!!
AWSOME LET'S GET SOME ROCKS all of us who are without sin can cast some stones. Oh wait never mind.

Yes my friend you didn't read far enough to see that part.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#408407 Dec 10, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
CLAY.......every year you and the rest of the few remaining catholics on here like clockwork a few days from christmas will ALL OF A SUDDEN change your tone and be respectful to all the protestants on here. You will talk nice as the christmas season approaches. I see it every year. You will share commonalities, but come DECEMBER 26TH or there about, you and the few remaining catholics will once again bring out your swords of hatred and name calling as the Christmas season fades from our memories once again.
Mark my words and remember this post number.
UNBELIEVABLE!
The difference Michael is that your "bogus statistics" along with your negative anti-catholic insults, of hate, hostility and vengeance against Jesus Christ, His One True Catholic Church and the Catholic Christian believers, along with doctrine of TRUE FAITH------(never end). UNBELIEVABLE AND (double) BUSTED!!

Since: Sep 12

Fort Worth, TX

#408408 Dec 10, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>What is it that I hate?
Christians the most logical conclusion is you feel guilt and conviction and you're simply trying to find fault in God to justify your running.
Works like this the sinful hate hearing the truth so they persecute those who tell the truth.
This is why John the Baptist lost his head.
preston

Waverly, OH

#408409 Dec 10, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>YOUR WORDS ARE THERE FOR ALL TO SEE. Kind of hard to LIE your way out of them. All can see for themselves and judge accordingly.
I dont mind a bit if people see how I feel about false teachers like graham and his cursing Israel.

I agree with God as he says that He will curse them.

that means sending people to hell or rather allowing them to send themselves to that place.

graham will split hell wide open unless he repents.

and I will agree with God every time.

WHY DONT YOU?

here is what is said about rogers on a blog by a man with the nick of "preacher4truth, and since I dont listen to people like adrian, never had time when I Pastored full time.gotta go with what he says.
Rogers? I can't listen to him any longer. I used to, at first saved, loved listening to him. But I can't get into him any longer. To me there is no depth there. Lot's of quips, rhyming points, illustrations, philosophies, poems, quaint sayings, but little, and I mean very little exposition.

to me, I believe the Preacher is saying that rogers doesnt Preach "jesus christ and Him Crucified", which is the ONLY message that can be preached if God has Called you to preach
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#408410 Dec 10, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>BIAS?
ANYONE CAN SEE THAT ANY BAIS ON THIS FORUM IN DIRECTED AT ME BY FRIENDS OF THE DEVIL IN WHICH YOU ARE INCLUDED.
this is a public forum and I have that right to say what I please and when I please.
those preachers that you mention preach a Gospel that is not in the Bible, therfore it behooves me to stand against them as the Bible and God tells me too.
as far as being hateful? your light so far outshines mine, it seems as if mine dosnt even come on..
unholy? I stand for God and His Word, those are considered comely traits and are welcomed by God.
it has never been a sin to stand against liars, fruads, perverts and false teachers. nor am I to be silenced by people like them, if I would, God would be displeased by me, so I had better mind Him rather than people like you.
I AM NOT GOING TO LOSE MY SOUL JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE WHAT I STAND FOR.
so as i challenged mr fraud to prove any slander on my part, lets see you prove that I have slandered anyone.
they are public figures therefore the charge is almost impossible for you to prove, you did know that, didnt you
be mindful of the FACT THAT THE TRUTH IS A PERFECT DEFENSE AGAINST THAT CHARGE.LOL.
you really have a lot of hate in your body and soul, you need to get saved and let God take that away from the demons inside you
Get thee behind me, SATAN.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#408411 Dec 10, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
I am an ex-presbyterian. I remember as a young child thinking, If god would have put me there, I would have listened! Why didn't adam? The only answer I got was, You are human, you would have failed, too.
You mean it was a test that no one could pass?
Shut up and stop questioning god.
Its a fairy tale to get you scared. Educated young people today don't buy into these religious stories about Adam and Eve, or Cain finding a wife for himself......from somewhere??. WHERE DID HE FIND A WIFE?(lol) or Jesus standing on a tall mountain speaking to the entire world. Self combusting burning bushes, talking serpents and donkeys..just to name a few...(lol)

I can't believe people can't see through this stuff, but again it comes back to FEAR! If you don't believe it, you will suffer.

Recently roman catholic archBishop Tobin was sent packing to INDIANAOPOLIS and the story is because he supports the efforts of the nuns and pissed off the Pope. The archbishop claims he doesn't know why he was moved there.........GIVE ME A BREAK!(lol) Doesn't know why he was moved. Does he really believe we believe that! Come on!

Do as we say, and if you don't we will make you!

UNBELIEVABLE!

A crock.

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