Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#408027 Dec 9, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>We are talking about the 'Dead Sea Scrolls'. They did not find a 'bible'. You really need to try to learn something of the subject if you wish to try to defend a particular view.
One thing for certain 4gvn. Nothing presented to you will ever change your mind. You will not admit any error in your theology.

If we say the Jews around the time of Jesus had no official canon, you will simply plug your ears and believe they did. Your faith is formed by complete ignorance.
Ignorance doesn't wash your hands my friend.

Luther had no authority to dictate what was inspired and what was not. Your KJV is not the whole Bible as Christians should have - thanks to the wicked priest.

Did the Catholic Church add books to the Bible?

YES THEY DID.

They added 27 books to the Bible in the 4th century.

You accept the Church's authority to establish a Bible, but you later change the meaning of the Books and added titles and concepts that did not exist.

Your religion is so simple...you're shown evidence and you simply ignore it.
"no problem, Im going to Heaven no matter what"

Don't be so confident. Your sola fide is quite new. Its foreign to all known Christians prior to this man Luther. If that ain't alarming to you then nothing will be alarming.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#408028 Dec 9, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Always trying to dodge the responsibility and blame. "Our holy, god selected, beautiful church is only as evil as you nasty, godless family." What a stupid thing to say.
As I said before, my family did not and has not covered up for a bad uncle. It has been proven that many in the rcc knew what was going on and tried to hide it.
Most families cover up abuse. Its something that is hush hush and not talked about. Its been that way forever.

Again, don't accuse me of trying to dodge responsibility and blame. Im just pointing out the hypocrisy of the bigots.
They sensationalize this topic for personal gain. Then when we Catholics show them independent statistics showing this evil is actually LESS in our Church than any other institution, they accuse us of deflecting responsibility. THIS after we already stated to hang the guilty and imprison the ones who helped cover it up. Amazing but expected when considering who we're dealing with....Ignorant Bigots.
Fun Facts

Lake, MI

#408030 Dec 9, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="hojo"
Preston is as much of a "child of God" as anyone else on this forum!!
**********
I've never said that preston was not a 'child of God'. Nor have I said that you are not a child of God. God is not willing that any should perish...and He will deal with each of us rightly because HE KNOWS OUR HEART.
KayMarie
Amen...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#408031 Dec 9, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Debate? There is no debating with someone who fraudulently claims to speak for God. The only debate is how long you can last on this forum until your lies shame you into leaving or you have an epiphany and repent.
~~~

Like I said before...

You are attempting you own personal inquisition...

I am protected by the constitution as well as my heavenly Father.

If you don't like my post you don't have to read them.

According to the word of God...

Salvation is received by faith...

No rituals

No hail Mary's

No Rosary

No involvement of saints,

No idols..

No confessional booths

none of the calisthenics or works that the Roman Catholic Church requires...

Just simply ..saved by grace through faith...

Eph_2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ,(by grace ye are saved;)

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

________

Act_16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Saved defined

SA'VED, pp. Preserved from evil; injury or destruction; kept frugally; prevented; spared; taken in time.

You would like to shut my wife and I up if you could...BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO HEAR...

BUT...

My answer is the same as the EARLY Apostles was before the counsel

Act 4:17 But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name.
Act 4:18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.

Act 4:19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.

Act 4:20 -->For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. <--
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#408032 Dec 9, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>LTM, You are right about all of us posting things here that go against what we are supposed to be.I know I have done this.Try to get back to posting what you usually do about the Word and Christ.I for one appreciate those posts.
I am glad you enjoy them, Herme I read them every day and for some reason they usually address what we are talking about on here.
Blessings Herme.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#408033 Dec 9, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>I truly do not understand you. I went through all that for you. I wanted to answer what you asked. Yelling? I klnow I used headings in caps.Sometimes my caps stick. If I was angry with you I would have not gone through that trouble.I really did take the time for you and do not understand why you come back with attacks. I will know not to do that for you next time. thought you were sincere.Also I do not need to steal. I have written many academic papers when I have used the format for citing resource material. I did not know this site was so academic.Aslso I usually paraphrase and rewrite what I find. It seems to me you do not have a sincere heart. Thats ok. I have learned from my experience.
It is very clear what Christ said.He said it in His own words and I quoted Him. If you dismiss Peter, Paul, or anyone else as legitimate carriers of Christ's message then that is another issue altogether.You are hardly a student of Mosaic law or hristian theology.I thought that I gave you a very thorough exposition of both.I will not be mean spirited in return.I wil continue to study and learn.
Amen.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#408034 Dec 9, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Like I said before...
You are attempting you own personal inquisition...
I am protected by the constitution as well as my heavenly Father.
If you don't like my post you don't have to read them.
According to the word of God...
Salvation is received by faith...
No rituals
No hail Mary's
No Rosary
No involvement of saints,
No idols..
No confessional booths
none of the calisthenics or works that the Roman Catholic Church requires...
Just simply ..saved by grace through faith...
Eph_2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ,(by grace ye are saved;)
Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
________
Act_16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Saved defined
SA'VED, pp. Preserved from evil; injury or destruction; kept frugally; prevented; spared; taken in time.
You would like to shut my wife and I up if you could...BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO HEAR...
BUT...
My answer is the same as the EARLY Apostles was before the counsel
Act 4:17 But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name.
Act 4:18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.
Act 4:19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.
Act 4:20 -->For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. <--
~~~

The Bible says..

1Jn_1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

No other requirements for salvation is needed...

after we receive Jesus Christ as out Lord and Savior...

we obey God's word

Which says..

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren,

by the mercies of God,

that ye present your bodies

a living sacrifice,

holy,

acceptable unto God,

which is your reasonable service.

Rom 12:2 And

be not conformed to this world:

but

be ye transformed

by the renewing of your mind,

that ye may prove what is that good,

and

acceptable,

and

perfect,

will of God.


Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as

NOTE
God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

SALVATION CANNOT BE EARNED BY WORKS...

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#408035 Dec 9, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, not at all. There is no evidence of a god, so why would I believe in one? You, as in all belivers, try convince the world that there is at least one. I use the bible to prove that man created the religion.
You like Paul because Paul tells you that you do not have to follow god.
Why would a god majesty up laws for a small group of People? Laws that he knows they cannot follow. Then changet the laws for that same small group that he knows they cannot follow.. Then change the laws again for the rest of the world?
My role here is to show the world these flaws.
Think of it like this. Some supreme being makes some impossible laws for Buford, Wyoming, the rest of the country has no clue what is going on in Buford, Wyoming, therefore they cannot follow the laws and must be sent to hell. This supreme being decides to send someone to radically change his laws. What are the chances for belief? For thousands of years, these people were told to follow these laws and now a stranger is going to tell them something different? Still the rest of the country hasn't a chance, they haven't be given the laws again.
Does that make any sense to you? It shouldn't.
Then another guy comes along and changes all the laws again! The time the rest of the country is invited, but they are not given the son or the miracles, only the words of People they have been fighting with for thousands of years.
It is pretty silly, once you take a step back and examin would you have been taught to believe!
TBS

At last....

You write,"There is no evidence of a god, so why would I believe in one? You, as in all belivers, try convince the world that there is at least one. I use the bible to prove that man created the religion."

Answer: Because you deny the evidence, you deny God.
Belief in one God, is against the way human beings rule on this earth. Human rule is religion. Belief in One God, is Truth. So in part you are correct, the Bible proves man created religion, and the laws that arise out of them....

You write, "My role here is to show the world these flaws."

Answer: Sounds like a Napoleonic Complex....Your "logic" and reasoning skills are very simple( Originally, I tried to use logic, then philosophy with you, and you could only accuse me of redirecting issues, and IMHO you will do in the future with anyone. This proved to me the futility of writing on an educated level with you.), lack of knowledge of the Bible is shallow(You take out scriptures and use them as you see fit. Everyone sees it. But the argument goes away when you quote the Bible in the first place, as an Authority greater than your own....), and your understanding limited(Here I tried to communicate with you concerning faith. But your denial to enter in a discussion, merely displays the shakiness of your faith in a no-god system, view of the Universe, or whatever you believe....) In other words, "Stop trying to be like God, and tell people how to think. You obviously don't have the skills. And you are not Moses....

Finally I would commend you for having us self-examine our beliefs, it lends to our better understanding. You might try a bit of it on yourself....

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#408036 Dec 9, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Like I said before...
You are attempting you own personal inquisition...
I am protected by the constitution as well as my heavenly Father.
If you don't like my post you don't have to read them.
According to the word of God...
Salvation is received by faith...
No rituals
No hail Mary's
No Rosary
No involvement of saints,
No idols..
No confessional booths
none of the calisthenics or works that the Roman Catholic Church requires...
Just simply ..saved by grace through faith...
Eph_2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ,(by grace ye are saved;)
Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
________
Act_16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Saved defined
SA'VED, pp. Preserved from evil; injury or destruction; kept frugally; prevented; spared; taken in time.
You would like to shut my wife and I up if you could...BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO HEAR...
BUT...
My answer is the same as the EARLY Apostles was before the counsel
Act 4:17 But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name.
Act 4:18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.
Act 4:19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.
Act 4:20 -->For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. <--
Hi - I know we don't know each other well, but I think you are VERY smart and correct; I enjoy all your posts. Merry Christmas!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#408037 Dec 9, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
The Bible says..
1Jn_1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
No other requirements for salvation is needed...
after we receive Jesus Christ as out Lord and Savior...
we obey God's word
Which says..
Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren,
by the mercies of God,
that ye present your bodies
a living sacrifice,
holy,
acceptable unto God,
which is your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And
be not conformed to this world:
but
be ye transformed
by the renewing of your mind,
that ye may prove what is that good,
and
acceptable,
and
perfect,
will of God.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as
NOTE
God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
SALVATION CANNOT BE EARNED BY WORKS...
~~~

SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT..

IT IS A REWARD FROM GOD..TO THE ONE THAT BELIEVES IN JESUS CHRIST AS HIS PERSONAL SAVIOR....BECAUSE OF GOD'S UNFAILING LOVE.. LOVE...

~~~

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him:/GOD

for he that cometh to God must believe that he/GOD is,

and

that he/GOD is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him/GOD.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#408038 Dec 9, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="hojo"
Sorry KayMarie--but no one is "forced" to do accept celibacy in the Catholic Church!! Those whom God has "called" to His service to become priests do so "on their own--by their own choice and their own decision....... John 15:16 "You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you--to go and bear much fruit"..... You should know better than to criticize and interject your own "Protestant opinion" regarding those things that you "not only do not know ANYTHING about--nor do you understand!!
**********
More yes/no confusion. They 'choose', yes, because they don't have a choice. If they wish to follow the holy calling of ministry, they MUST 'choose' the rule of the CC.
KayMarie
In Paul's letter to the Corinthians 7:32-34, he writes: "In all that you do, I want you to be free from worry. An unmarried man can spend his time "doing the Lords work and thinking how to please Him. But a married man "cannot do that as well: because he has to think about his earthly responsibilities and how to please his wife. His interests are divided.(THE CATHOLIC CHURCHES BIBLICAL TEACHING FOR PRIESTS CELIBACY)---Verse 34--"It is the same with a girl who marries. She faces the same problem. A girl who is "not married" can devote herself full time in pleasing the Lord in all she is and does"! But a married woman must consider other things such as housekeeping and the likes and dislikes of her husband".(THE CATHOLIC CHURCHES BIBLICAL TEACHING AND REASON FOR SISTERS AND NUNS IN THE RELIGIOUS LIFE).Verse 35 I am saying this "to help you" and not to try to keep you from marrying, but to "help you" to serve the Lord best--"free as possible" to distract your attention from Him."
You see, KayMarie--all you have to do is "read the bible" and believe what is says regarding the Catholic Churches teaching for the religious life instead of "projecting" your own personal (non-catholic) opinion!!! God Bless!!!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#408039 Dec 9, 2012
who="TheBlackSheep"
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

**********

Apples and oranges. Jesus didn't say that no one would BREAK one of the commandments. He said that NOT ONE 'dot or comma' of the commandments would FAIL.

People fail; God's Word DOES NOT FAIL.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#408040 Dec 9, 2012
[who="TheBlackSheep"
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
jesus said that he is fulfilling the prophecies, not the law. How do one fulfill the law? If fact, he is saying that he did not come to destroy,{do away with} the law.

**********

LOVE is the fulfilling of the law. The first commandments speak of loving God. The rest speak of loving mankind. Jesus fulfilled the law. EVERY WHERE HE WENT, HE WAS DOING GOOD.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#408041 Dec 9, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
I think you've really hit the nail on the head with the issue of honesty from confrinting and kay Preston. There's something fundamentally wrong with a person's faith when the only way they can defend themselves is to bear false witness.

**********

Definitely shows the condition of YOUR faith. You continually accuse me...even when you have not a shred of evidence...only your imagination.

What I have written is TRUE. So where does that leave your faith?
Mine is in GOD.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#408042 Dec 9, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi - I know we don't know each other well, but I think you are VERY smart and correct; I enjoy all your posts. Merry Christmas!
~~~~~~~~~~

A MERRY CHRISTMAS! TO YOU AND YOURS..

and to...

all THAT ARE A PART

or are OBSERVING THESE POST

NO MATTER WHOM OR WHERE YOU

RESIDE.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#408043 Dec 9, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
False Kay, there are many different "holy" ministries a person can choose.

**********

NOT FALSE, Anthony. THEY CANNOT CHOOSE THE PRIESTHOOD WITHOUT A VOW OF CELIBACY. You know better.

KayMarie
Clay

United States

#408044 Dec 9, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT..
IT IS A REWARD FROM GOD..TO THE ONE THAT BELIEVES IN JESUS CHRIST AS HIS PERSONAL SAVIOR....BECAUSE OF GOD'S UNFAILING LOVE.. LOVE...
~~~
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him:/GOD
for he that cometh to God must believe that he/GOD is,
and
that he/GOD is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him/GOD.
You phony. I believe in Jesus Christ as do all Catholics ...but you condemn us to hell.

Why don't you keep it real...you want us to agree that you are a prophet called by God.
Confrint, you were not. You do not speak the truth and its proven over and over and over.
Lies = Satan.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#408045 Dec 9, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>I truly do not understand you. I went through all that for you. I wanted to answer what you asked. Yelling? I klnow I used headings in caps.Sometimes my caps stick. If I was angry with you I would have not gone through that trouble.I really did take the time for you and do not understand why you come back with attacks. I will know not to do that for you next time. thought you were sincere.Also I do not need to steal. I have written many academic papers when I have used the format for citing resource material. I did not know this site was so academic.Aslso I usually paraphrase and rewrite what I find. It seems to me you do not have a sincere heart. Thats ok. I have learned from my experience.
It is very clear what Christ said.He said it in His own words and I quoted Him. If you dismiss Peter, Paul, or anyone else as legitimate carriers of Christ's message then that is another issue altogether.You are hardly a student of Mosaic law or hristian theology.I thought that I gave you a very thorough exposition of both.I will not be mean spirited in return.I wil continue to study and learn.
Herme good friend

You are writing to TBS, and I totally understood what you had written to him. It was exhaustive. But consider it a good lesson for yourself, and I commend you in further study and learning....

And for not understanding TBS, the reason is simple. He has a very shakey faith based in no-god, or humanism. He merely presumes God does not exist, and refuses to examine evidence. Thus his no-god, or humanistic approach has always weaknessess, which he will not acknowledge(being in self-denial), nor discuss/debate. And his own purpose is to proclaim his own gospel.(religion is manmade of which Judeo-Christianty is a subset thereof.)

I think catophatic approach to God is great. I consider St. Gregory of Nyssa one of my patron saints. But in moving cataphatic approach into the human realm our weaknesses may be interpretted as being "negative"....
Clay

United States

#408046 Dec 9, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi - I know we don't know each other well, but I think you are VERY smart and correct; I enjoy all your posts. Merry Christmas!
If you took the time to research and analyze his posts, you'll see there filled with deception.

He will state his personal opinions about the Catholic Church. Then, cite a series of Bible verses which he claims back up his version..When in fact, they do not.
This is manipulation of sacred scripture to validate his personal ideology. Its a sin. This is why him and his wife take a beating on here. They get caught daily being deceptive. We need to steer clear of this and pray for any victims they manage to coerce.

I challenged both of them to present evidence to save me from Catholicism. They can't.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#408047 Dec 9, 2012
who="Clay"
Are you aware LTM, that the abuse scandal was horribly exaggerated by your side in an attempt to smear the Church and paint it as evil?
You got suckered into it cuz you're also a bigot and want to believe thing that discredit the Church.
Your own family has as many pedophiles as the Church. Whatever church you attend on Sundays, has as many - if not more.
This is why many on here call you (and others) liars. Because you ignore these basic statistics and pretend the child sexual abuse is a catholic thing.
It tells us you are not at all interested in truth.
That, and along with your constant anti catholic pamphlets you post, tells us you have another agenda and it does not have anything to do with Jesus Christ, because it involves deception.

**********

She is not 'aware', because it simply is not true. The CC has taught all of you well with her narcissistic beliefs. Read any of their teachings about Martin Luther. I read just a few posts back that he wanted to do harm to the CC (he didn't...first thought he could show a 'revelation' to his superiors...for that they called him 'insane'). I've got...and I have read CATHOLIC books that call Protestants 'of the devil'.(So much for love!)

They teach you to hate...THEN they accuse the Protestants of hate. We only hope to bring truth.(Serious Christians will AT LEAST listen before making their decision. Not saying that Catholics are not SERIOUS about their faith...just that they blindly follow the blind.)

They call me a liar because that is the only way they can fight. What I have told you is the TRUTH.

KayMarie

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