Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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#407477 Dec 7, 2012
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preston

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#407478 Dec 7, 2012
anybody here who was born when this happned?

Pearl Harbor: Day of infamy remains a key topic in high schools
Dec 6, 2012 When current students were born, the attack on Pearl Harbor already was in the distant past for many, having happened between 53 and 66 years earlier
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#407479 Dec 7, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
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You cannot put all RCC Apostolic Successors in jail.
Who would give us perfect teachings on morals?
Who would keep an eye on the nuns?
....The catholic church put the poor butler on trial and threw him in jail, but when it comes to their own leaders who have committed terrible crimes, the arrogant church tries to blame everyone else but themselve. There is no personal accountability for anything in the church.

Catholics say NOTHING! Shame on them!

UNBELIEVABLE!
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#407480 Dec 7, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
A catholic biased website for sure, and QUIT!! making excuses for the disgusting behavior of your church leaders.

FACT: Up until now the roman catholic church has WILLINGLY paid out nearly $3 Billion in sexual abuse lawsuits.

Does that sound like a small problem with a small number of clergy?

The history of sexual abuse on minors by clergy in your church goes back 17 centuries as stated RIGHT IN YOUR VERY OWN CHURCH CANON LAWS, AND PAPAL DOCUMENTS.

Click on OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS and CANON laws.......its all there right by your catholic church for 1700 years

http://www.richardsipe.com/patrick_wall/execu...

Sexual abuse by catholic clergy has been present in almost all 195 dioceses in america. Every bishop who was aware of a priest buggering a child LIED, DECEIVED and COVERED up these sins to protect your church not the victims.

Are you OK with that?

I stand in support for the victims, DustStorm doesn't and makes up BS! lame excuses for her church leaders.

UNBELIEVABLE!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#407481 Dec 7, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Kay Marie,
I used to think the same way as you described, but in time, working with abusers I learned that whether they get satisfied at home with their wives or not has nothing to do with their sexual abuse of others.Thuis is a preference and a problem. This is a compulsion that will drive them no matter what the wife presents. do agree that some husbands cheat because of the coldness and lack of affection from their wives.I know this is no excuse and the husbands are part of the problem.Love your posts and love you and your husband.
~~~

We Love you and your wife...and am so thankful that God has brought you to this point of your recovery.

Php 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

GOD is a loving father, and it is His attributes TO supply all of you needs.

Php_4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Your Salvation includes...

welfare, health, prosperity, deliverance, and victory...

THE ABOVE... was GOD'S plan for Adam and Eve..

before they sinned and

it is available

for/to all that are restored ( return ) to God's fellowship

when they receive Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior, by faith.

All the above was God's intention for all upon earth ...Had sin not entered into the spectrum...

When one returns to God by repentance all the benefits that were pre-Adamic are restored to them.

Adam and Eve did not do works... to earn fellowship with God ...before they sinned...Their earthly occupation was to take care of the garden..but they did not do any works to enjoy fellowship with GOD...

He came down in the cool of the day and walked with them.
___
NOTE

ALL GOD'S CREATION.. exists for HIS pleasure...and to be the objective

of His UNFAILING LOVE and BENEFITS.

Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power:

for -->thou hast created all things,

and for thy pleasure they are and were created.<--

---

2Pe_3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward,

-->not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. <--

Blessings Gif.

~~~~~~~~~~

As for the subject of working with abusers and adulterers...

Rom my observation

I have concluded that...

Many men are addicted to the sexual adrenalin high/trip that they
experience, and the power they feel over their victims..
For some ...It is worse than mainlining drugs.

just my opinion
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#407482 Dec 7, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
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Different in that you started out claiming that priestly celibacy is responsible for pedophilia. Anthony correctly pointed out that the majority of abuse cases involved homosexuals and , marriage is not the only vocation in life.


FACTS: Thousands of catholic clergy around the world and also right from your own diocese have sexually molested children, and it doesn't matter whether they were pedophiles or homosexuals.

The bishops who were aware of these abusers stoodbye and said and did nothing but coverup these most heinous sins and you are OK with that?

Shame on you.

Never once do you ever say, I feel sorry for the many victims, its always BS excuses for your church leaders.

You should get your PRIORITIES straight.

Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#407483 Dec 7, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>You did not address the fact that Christ nor any of the apostles 'mandated' such a requirement. In fact the RCC didn't do so for the first thousand yrs. So were they right for the first thousand, or were they wrong? No one has a right to make requirements for the man of God(pastors, or any other) that God himself did not require. That falls into the area of adding to or takeing away from what is written. How can man place a requirement on GOD"S servent, when GOD Himself did not do so. It is wrong.
And the cold hard fact is that the requirement created a hideout for homosexuals who somehow appeared normal in thier non-married roles.
You say a blessing 'without question'. Hundreds of thousands of children and thier families who have been devastateded by the sexual abuse would surely disagree with you. So there is a verry real 'question'.
Jesus (and St. Paul) praised a celibate priesthood and religious life. He says it's a gift from God. It is without question biblical.

Your continuous criticism of this practice tells me you have a deep-seated animosity towards the Catholic faith and you probably have resentment and/or jealousy of men and women who are willing to forego sexual intimacy in their dedication to the kingdom.

And your continued cheap shots at the abuse of minors by a small percentage of sick and disturbed men who should never have been priests tells me you have no other argument than to dig into the gutter for ammunition. That's a very unchristian thing to do.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#407484 Dec 7, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Why should I be angry with you Roman Catholics...
My heart goes out to you in your refusing the gift of GOD
by faith,... ATTEMPTING to earn YOUR REDEMPTION
COUNTING THE BLOOD OF JESUS AS BEING INADEQUATE..
You are EVIDENTLY the angry one that has called me names
To which Saint are you praying for my salvation..
I have no patron saint...
Jesus is altogether sufficient...He is the one that died for my
salvation...
HE CAME... HE SAW... HE CONQUERED...DEATH HELL AND THE GRAVE..
.HE DEFEATED THE ENEMY OF MY SOUL... AND
RESTORED MY FELLOWSHIP WITH THE HEAVENLY FATHER, BY SHEDDING HIS
BLOOD ...WHICH I GLADLY RECEIVE BY FAITH AS THE PROPITIATION FOR MY SINS.
NOT BY MY WORKS ...
BUT
BY FAITH IN HIS BEING THE ALL SUFFICIENT SACRIFICE ...FOR MY SINS.
I NEED NOT ATTEMPT TO ADD ANY WORKS TO WHAT CHRIST AS ALREADY DONE
ALL I HAVE TO DO IS RECEIVE HIS GIFTS
AND
OBEY HIS WORD...
SORRY YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVE TO EARN YOURS...
MY SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT.
AS JESUS TOLD THE WOMEN THAT WAS TAKEN IN ADULTERY...
Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her,
==> Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.<==
Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying,
I am the light of the world:
he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness,
but shall have the light of life.
~~~
I THANK GOD FOR HIS LIGHT OF LIFE...
I prayed for you while adoring Christ in the Blessed Sacrament. I hope He answers my prayer.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#407485 Dec 7, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
FACTS: Thousands of catholic clergy around the world and also right from your own diocese have sexually molested children, and it doesn't matter whether they were pedophiles or homosexuals.
The bishops who were aware of these abusers stoodbye and said and did nothing but coverup these most heinous sins and you are OK with that?
Shame on you.
Never once do you ever say, I feel sorry for the many victims, its always BS excuses for your church leaders.
You should get your PRIORITIES straight.
Statistically speaking, there are equally the same proportion of offenders in the Catholic Church as your family.
I'm willing to bet - based on your rabid infatuation with this topic - that you may be one of them.

I don't think you realize how weird it is watching you post about child sexual abuse 5 to 6 times per day.
Even the anti Catholics bigots on here gotta be a little bit puzzled by your unbalanced devotion to this topic.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#407486 Dec 7, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"
How many protestant pastors do you know that would give up sex in order to completely dedicate their lives to God?
**********
Now let me get this straight:
God gave mankind the gift of sex, and commanded them to multiply.
God calls the children of such union, HIS children. There must be children to replenish God's earth...and make up the Body of Christ...
But:
Man must give up sex to dedicate his life to God???
It does not compute.
KayMarie
Now would be a good time for you to study Matt. 19:11-12, Matt. 19:29, 1 Cor 7:1, 1 Cor. 7:7, 1 Cor. 7:27, 1 Cor. 7:32-33, 38, Isaiah 56:3-7, Jer. 16:1-4.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#407487 Dec 7, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
....The catholic church put the poor butler on trial and threw him in jail, but when it comes to their own leaders who have committed terrible crimes, the arrogant church tries to blame everyone else but themselve. There is no personal accountability for anything in the church.
Catholics say NOTHING! Shame on them!
UNBELIEVABLE!
You Michael--"consistently " say NOTHING that is not either exaggerated, distorted and blown out of proportion!! You must have so much "obsessed vengeance" and hatred for the Catholic Church that you probably "lay awake at night" PLOTTING your next (evil attack) against Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church----
UNBELIEVABLE----and "DOUBLE" BUSTED!!!!
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#407488 Dec 7, 2012
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>Daily Mass, the Eucharist, the biblical readings, the Sacraments and the Adoration Prayer Chapel....JETHRO:this is all man made B.S. if the history i posted is wrong prove it,instead of just throwing insults and garbage around,prove that the crimes i spoke of are untrue,i know for a fact you can't do that,because if you could,you would of by now,but you just utter the same old thing post after post,and none of it contains any real historical facts. prove they didn't torture people into joining the church,prove the church of antioch was not taken by force,prove the crusades are a myth,prove they never touched a child,prove they never laundered money for the mafia,and commited bank fraud,prove they had the devine right to change gods commandments,prove it's ok to worship idols/saints. ball is your side of the court now. show some true factual history that proves everything i posted is wrong....good luck.
Like I said before, "I do not care "one-iota" as to what you believe! Go live your life in your same old (day by day)"doldrums" of anti-catholic lies and heresy. I'll stick to the TRUTH of faith and Salvation in Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church. I know that it just "bugs" you that ALL of us, as Catholics on this forum, are living out our TRUE FAITH that Christ taught, proclaimed and ministered to His apostles, disciples and followers throughout over 2000 years of Church History, worshipping in HIS One True Catholic Church-----however it "your own misery and hate" that you have to deal with--NOT OURS or the other 1.168 Billion Catholics around the world. The ONLY thing that we can, and are (called to do-as Christians) is to pray for you!!!!
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#407489 Dec 7, 2012
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>don't you feel guilty at all about lying? "Our Lords Catholic Church",show me a passage from any book that says jesus is catholic.i've never met a jew that is catholic, have you? or anyone here? has anyone here met a jewish catholic?? or better yet, followed catholic traditions?
Not worth responding to!!!
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#407490 Dec 7, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>So did the RCC teach error for the first 1000 yrs? Which is biblical? It can not be both ways? Did the RCC screw up then or now?
I'm afraid you're really confused about the whole thing. It is a discipline, not a dogmatic teaching. The Church could decide next week that all priests can get married and it wouldn't be "wrong". It comes down to the issue of men and women who willingly sacrifice personal pleasure "for the kingdom of heaven."

Is personal sacrifice that unknown in protestant circles? I'm beginning to wonder.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#407491 Dec 7, 2012
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>you can deny it till hell (the church) freezes over,but the people know the truth,
Yes---and the other 1.168 Billion Catholics around the world, including myself, Clay, Regina, Anthony and others on this forum ALSO KNOW THE TRUTH, over 2000 years of PROVEN historical and biblical TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church--the Bride of Christ.-------You deny it!!(your choice)----
By-the-way-----Jethro8-----I hope that you are recovering and feeling better! Blessings!!!
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#407492 Dec 7, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus (and St. Paul) praised a celibate priesthood and religious life. He says it's a gift from God. It is without question biblical.
Your continuous criticism of this practice tells me you have a deep-seated animosity towards the Catholic faith and you probably have resentment and/or jealousy of men and women who are willing to forego sexual intimacy in their dedication to the kingdom.
And your continued cheap shots at the abuse of minors by a small percentage of sick and disturbed men who should never have been priests tells me you have no other argument than to dig into the gutter for ammunition. That's a very unchristian thing to do.
The Catholic Church's record of aggressive and proactive protective measures is unparalleled in any organization today. Since the beginning of the abuse crisis, the Catholic Church:

has instituted a "zero tolerance" policy in which any credibly accused priest is immediately removed from ministry. Law enforcement is also notified;
has trained over 5 million children in giving them skills to protect them from abuse;
has trained over 2 million adults, including 99 percent of all priests, in recognizing signs of abuse;
has conducted over 2 million background checks, including those in the intensified screening process for aspiring seminarians and priests;
has installed "Victim Assistance Coordinators" in every diocese, "assuring victims that they will be heard";
has conducted annual audits of all dioceses to monitor compliance with the groundbreaking 2002 Charter for Protection of Children and Young People;
has instituted in all dioceses abuse review boards – often composed of child welfare experts, child psychologists, and abuse experts – to examine claims of abuse against priests.
No other organization even comes close to implementing the measures the Catholic Church has taken to protect children in its care. In this regard, the Catholic Church in the 21st century is the model for other institutions to follow in the safeguarding of youth.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2012/1...

cont.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#407493 Dec 7, 2012
Notwithstanding the media hysteria over sex abuse in the Catholic Church, priests abuse at a rate far lower than that of other males. While even one case of abuse is too many, approximately only 4% of all active priests between 1950 and 2002 were even accused of abuse – a rate far lower than that of other males in the general population.

"[B]ased on the surveys and studies conducted by different denominations over the past 30 years, experts who study child abuse say they see little reason to conclude that sexual abuse is mostly a Catholic issue.'We don't see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else,' said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children …

"Experts disagree on the rate of sexual abuse among the general American male population, but Allen says a conservative estimate is one in 10. Margaret Leland Smith, a researcher at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, says her review of the numbers indicates it’s closer to one in 5 …

"Since the mid-1980s, insurance companies have offered sexual misconduct coverage as a rider on liability insurance, and their own studies indicate that Catholic churches are not higher risk than other congregations … It's been that way for decades."

Newsweek magazine, April 7, 2010
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#407494 Dec 7, 2012
USA Today, June 6, 2010:

"If anyone believes that priests offend at a higher rate than teachers or non-celibate clergy, then they should produce the evidence on which they are basing that conclusion. I know of none. Saying 'everybody knows' does not constitute scientific methodology."
– Dr. Philip Jenkins, Pennsylvania State University.

From the 1950s through the 1970s, the Catholic Church, following the then-prevailing societal practice, sent suspected abusers to psychologists rather than calling the police.

In this respect, the Church was far from alone. When the Church was sending accused priests to psychological treatment, "the criminal justice system was doing the very same thing with convicted offenders – sending them to treatment instead of prison."

"From the 1950's to the 1980's, these treatment-based interventions for sexual criminals were not only enormously prevalent in the United States, but surveys of ordinary citizens showed that they were enormously popular …

"[T]he science of human sexuality and sexual offending is extraordinarily young. Virtually all of the information we utilize today regarding the treatment and supervision of sexual offenders has been discovered since 1985."
– Dr. Monica Applewhite, Ph.D.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#407495 Dec 7, 2012
Yet in almost every media account, the media has failed to provide this important historical context that the Church was following the then-reigning advice of experts to send accused priests to treatment.

"No one would hold a brain surgeon to today's standard of care for professional decisions he made in 1970. Yet the decisions made in 1970 by Catholic bishops, who routinely consulted with mental health professionals about sick priests, are being judged by today's standards. Today, the confidence of the mental health community about the likelihood of curing sexual disorders is far less than it was in 1970."
– L. Martin Nussbaum, "Changing the Rules" (America magazine, 2006)

Tragically, sending accused priests to treatment rather than reporting them to the police only resulted in a high rate of recidivism among those priests. According to the 2004 John Jay College report, 149 priests were "serial abusers" (10+ victims) and accounted for an alarming 26% of all of the abuse between 1950 and 2002.

Yet these 149 men represent only one-tenth of one percent of all priests who served in the Catholic Church in the United States between 1950 and 2002. Most accused priests (56%) have been the subject of only one allegation.

The Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA), the independent research organization out of Georgetown University, has been tracking abuse data regarding United States Catholic clergy for several years. CARA issues annual reports through the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB).
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#407496 Dec 7, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="ReginaM"
Different in that you started out claiming that priestly celibacy is responsible for pedophilia. Anthony correctly pointed out that the majority of abuse cases involved homosexuals and post-pubescent males. We both reminded you that Christ said that those who can bear celibacy should and the called deliberately embrace celibacy for the Kingdom of God. So....you changed your tune and are now claiming that those called to the priesthood and religious life are ignorant and don't have any idea as to what they're sacrificing. I can assure you that these men and women don't live in a vacuum prior to entering the seminary, convent, or monastery. They're fully aware of what they're doing and freely choose to devote their lives to serving God. Sex is not the be all and end all, marriage is not the only vocation in life.
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I did not change anything. What are homosexuals and post-pubescent males doing in the priestly ranks? Marriage is not only God's 'invention'; it is the means for building God's church.
You can't tell me that a teenage boy OR girl (not sexually 'savvy') knows what they are giving up. They go into ministry because they desire that high calling. They cannot understand what they are giving up, because they've never 'had' what they are supposedly giving.
KayMarie
Priests and women religious go through a discernment process that takes up to eight years. Most are in their late 20's and early 30's before they take their vows. Almost all of the priests I've known dated women during their high school and college years. They know what they're giving up.

I'm getting a sense from you folks that you are incredulous that there are actually people out there who will give up sex in order to dedicate their lives in service Christ and His Church and prefer not to have the distractions of a spouse and children.

Do you resent people with such strong conviction?

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