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truth

Perth, Australia

#407412 Dec 6, 2012
Speed of light is 300 000!!!

Speed of love is ultimatum=instant!

eye up to eye.. eye up to eye.. eye up to eye..
no petrol
no gas
no electricity
no any ticket for payment
no gold
no silver
no any money

Why is like that confe so cheep and free flight?
Who can do that?
truth

Perth, Australia

#407413 Dec 6, 2012
I am sure many Master know which flight is free.

Did they asked someone?
no
I don't think so!
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#407414 Dec 6, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
4GVN good friend
I will be brief:
You ask:
'How many of your sins did Jesus die for?"
Answer: All of them.
"How many did He take upon Himself and carry to the cross?"
Answer: None of them. Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was on him; and with his stripes we are healed.") It is his sacrifice to death that is the payment for my wages of sin, which is death. So that in his resurrection, I might live.
"Was Jesus' payment enough?"
Answer: Enough for what? My salvation? Yes.
"Is there more to be paid?"
Answer: For what? Salvation? No.
"Can we in any way add to the sacrificial payment that Jesus made?"
Answer: I cannot add to God. It doesn't make sense. I can only return His Love.
"And what did Jesus mean when He stated that "IT IS FINISHED?"
In short he made peace between God and humanity.
After looking at your questions, it seems you are trying to get straight what God as Judge requires. It means you are seeking from me repentence, as John the Baptist, cried in the wilderness. This is a good thing. I applaud your questions.
(Yes God is The Judge, but His Love is even greater. For God is Love.)
And there is little about a personal relationship with Jesus. His amazing sacrifice, has a startling, and bright hope for each and every person. It is blinding to the natural man's mind. So we think in terms of what we consider justice.
In light of your affirmation that Jesus paid for all of your sins at Calvery, and with the hope that you understand that that payment is accredited to ones account the moment they accept by faith the Saviour, how can you possibly believe in purgatory? And why would you want to? There is no such place,nor is it needed. Jesus paid it all in full.
truth

Perth, Australia

#407415 Dec 6, 2012
Your diploma is so horrible..why corupt diploma pardon diploma with interest which usual say we can if we want when we see what is good for us.
Its that reality what others need except?
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooo

Many many many who is smart and know recognize as well how used..as well who used and how.

Whats mean thousand thousand thousand..lottery numbers???

or myriad numbers..
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#407416 Dec 6, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
cont. to Kay
1 Tim. 4:3 - in this verse, Paul refers to deceitful doctrines that forbid marriage. Many non-Catholics also use this verse to impugn the Church's practice of celibacy. This is entirely misguided because the Catholic Church (unlike many Protestant churches) exalts marriage to a sacrament. In fact, marriage is elevated to a sacrament, but consecrated virginity is not. The Church declares marriage sacred, covenantal and lifegiving. Paul is referring to doctrines that forbid marriage and other goods when done outside the teaching of Christ and for a lessor good. Celibacy is an act of giving up one good (marriage and children) for a greater good (complete spiritual union with God).
1 Tim. 5:9-12 - Paul recommends that older widows take a pledge of celibacy. This was the beginning of women religious orders.
2 Tim. 2:3-4 - Paul instructs his bishop Timothy that no soldier on service gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim his to satisfy the One who enlisted him. Paul is using an analogy to describe the role of the celibate priesthood in the Church.
Rev. 14:4 - unlike our sinful world of the flesh, in heaven, those consecrated to virginity are honored.
Isaiah 56:3-7 - the eunuchs who keep God's covenant will have a special place in the kingdom of heaven.
Jer. 16:1-4 - Jeremiah is told by God not to take a wife or have children.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/the_priestho...
So did the RCC teach error for the first 1000 yrs? Which is biblical? It can not be both ways? Did the RCC screw up then or now?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#407417 Dec 6, 2012
who="ReginaM"
Different in that you started out claiming that priestly celibacy is responsible for pedophilia. Anthony correctly pointed out that the majority of abuse cases involved homosexuals and post-pubescent males. We both reminded you that Christ said that those who can bear celibacy should and the called deliberately embrace celibacy for the Kingdom of God. So....you changed your tune and are now claiming that those called to the priesthood and religious life are ignorant and don't have any idea as to what they're sacrificing. I can assure you that these men and women don't live in a vacuum prior to entering the seminary, convent, or monastery. They're fully aware of what they're doing and freely choose to devote their lives to serving God. Sex is not the be all and end all, marriage is not the only vocation in life.

**********

I did not change anything. What are homosexuals and post-pubescent males doing in the priestly ranks? Marriage is not only God's 'invention'; it is the means for building God's church.

You can't tell me that a teenage boy OR girl (not sexually 'savvy') knows what they are giving up. They go into ministry because they desire that high calling. They cannot understand what they are giving up, because they've never 'had' what they are supposedly giving.

KayMarie
truth

Perth, Australia

#407418 Dec 6, 2012
Why myriads is infinite numbers?

For us small and not worthy people in eyes of big diploma are small number!

small number=myriads
thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand

Why is like that Confe?

I hope Jesus Christ read this too.
truth

Perth, Australia

#407419 Dec 6, 2012
Why you scare that somebody from purgatory or hell going to be save?

Our lovely God have everything possible!
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#407420 Dec 6, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
It certainly is a choice. A man or woman, individually, makes a conscious choice to forego marriage and devote their lives entirely to God. In the case of protestant converts, the Church recognizes that we cannot break the marriage bond that already exists. If they take their vows while BEFORE marriage, they cannot later get married.
If they are accepable for the priesthood as married (converts) why would they not be equally acceptable as married(non-converts)?
ReginaM

Lakewood, NJ

#407421 Dec 6, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
I'd not read this article before, thanks. Not all sexual abuse is pedophilia, yet you wouldn't know it from the protestants, atheists, and whatevers on this board. They come here foaming at the mouth in absolute delight to announce that all priests are pedophiles and rape "infants". And, of course, celibacy is the reason! From the sound of it, most of them are getting vicarious thrills and spend an inordinate amount of time fantasizing about it. No one is excusing sexual abuse of any kind, but to sensationalize it as they do makes one wonder. I agree that there's a higher incidence of false allegations involving priests since, as the authors pointed out, bigotry against the Church and the likelihood of $$$ are prime motivators for these alleged victims. It's a dishonor and disgrace to those who really were abused.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#407422 Dec 6, 2012
who="Hermeneutics Smutics" Kay Marie,
I used to think the same way as you described, but in time, working with abusers I learned that whether they get satisfied at home with their wives or not has nothing to do with their sexual abuse of others.Thuis is a preference and a problem. This is a compulsion that will drive them no matter what the wife presents. do agree that some husbands cheat because of the coldness and lack of affection from their wives.I know this is no excuse and the husbands are part of the problem.Love your posts and love you and your husband.

**********

I agree with you...just didn't think of that 'side' of the problem. In other words, some offenders are lacking affection at home, BUT there are others who are mean for various reasons. I talked with one such man who had molested someone I knew. He said that his father molested him when he (the father) returned from the Korean war.

I believe that in such a case (maybe in all of them) an evil spirit is involved. Joyce Meyer says that "hurting people HURT people".

Thank you for your kindness. We are both very happy that you are back. We pray that your health continues to improve.

Blessings,
KayMarie

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#407423 Dec 6, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd not read this article before, thanks. Not all sexual abuse is pedophilia, yet you wouldn't know it from the protestants, atheists, and whatevers on this board. They come here foaming at the mouth in absolute delight to announce that all priests are pedophiles and rape "infants". And, of course, celibacy is the reason! From the sound of it, most of them are getting vicarious thrills and spend an inordinate amount of time fantasizing about it. No one is excusing sexual abuse of any kind, but to sensationalize it as they do makes one wonder. I agree that there's a higher incidence of false allegations involving priests since, as the authors pointed out, bigotry against the Church and the likelihood of $$$ are prime motivators for these alleged victims. It's a dishonor and disgrace to those who really were abused.
Regina, I know there have been guilty Catholic clergy, and from other denominations also. I'm sure though that some "victims" are indeed looking to cause trouble and make some cash. What really has shocked me is that in my "teensy" village, there were a number of homosexual and pedophile priests (I realize they are not one and the same). I'm in no way a homophobe, but we had several priests preaching against it while doing it. I guess some people can rationalize anything.

If I don't get to talk to you again, I wish you a happy and healthy holiday season.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#407424 Dec 6, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="4GVN" KayMarie, please take the time to sincerely and PRAYERFULLY consider your response. DID Jesus pay for ALL of your (future) sins on the cross? Was it a (FULL) payment? Therefore are they not all(covered)?
I do understand the donfusion, but consider for a moment what your reply would entail. If (any) unconfessed sin was not (covered) we would be in danger of hell at any moment in our lives. In fact we could never be confident of our salvation because it would all hinge on the last moments before death. And what of the sins we commit(falling short of the Glory of God) that we are not even aware of. The scripture tells us that "to him that knows to to good and does it not, to him it is sin." How many times do we as christians fail to to that 'good' thing that we have thought(I should do this, or I should do that), but we just never get around to it. Scripture telles us that that is sin. If that is true and as you say since we did not repent of it we are lost, because that sin was not covered. If that were true we would have NO POSSIBILITY of ever reaching heaven. JESUS PAID IT ALL. They are ALL covered! And we were given the GIFT of eternal life the moment we trusted in that finished work(completed and paid in full) by Jesus. I believe taht what you are misunderstanding is chastisement."whom the Lord loves(His children) He chastises" to bring us back to where He wants us to be. God does not chastise anothers children. Only His own.
*********
I understand your point. But surely you also understand that one knows whether they are in rebellion against God.
If the heart is where it should be with God, there need be no fear that He will destroy us for some unknown/unintended offense. The just shall LIVE by his faith; if your faith is founded in HIM, you do not need to be afraid.
Yes, He does chasten/correct those He loves. If that happens and the heart is right, the individual will be led to repentance by His correction.
The rebel will turn against God, the church, and other people.
KayMarie
But you are changing the subject. YOU SAID that any unrepentant sin of a believer was "not covered by the blod of Jesus". Which would be enough to condemn one to hell. The fact is, the MOMENT we recieve Christ, we are given a 'FREE GIFT'. All of our sins are at that moment placed under the blood of Jesus. If they are not, we are not saved; we have no assurence of heaven, we are not sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption, We do not have ETERNAL LIFE. We are only 'pardoned' untill the next time we 'fall short of the Glory of God. THEN we would have to be saved all over again.....and on and on we would go.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#407425 Dec 6, 2012
Anthony said:
Jer. 16:1-4 - Jeremiah is told by God not to take a wife or have children.

**********

Read it all. He didn't tell him not to have a family so that he could minister. He told him not to BECAUSE they would all die horrible deaths in 'this place'.

KM

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#407426 Dec 6, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
Regina, I know there have been guilty Catholic clergy, and from other denominations also. I'm sure though that some "victims" are indeed looking to cause trouble and make some cash. What really has shocked me is that in my "teensy" village, there were a number of homosexual and pedophile priests (I realize they are not one and the same). I'm in no way a homophobe, but we had several priests preaching against it while doing it. I guess some people can rationalize anything.
If I don't get to talk to you again, I wish you a happy and healthy holiday season.
Are you sensible? The CC has a history of abuse from 31ce. The 12 Inquisitions for example. Constantine was the first Pope, a Pagan from Rome. All of the teachings of the CC are from Babylon, 2000 years before Christ. Leave the CC church, find the right way to serve God. If you search, He will find you. I do promise.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#407427 Dec 6, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Dust Storm,I find you one of the more intelligent and informed posters. Nevertheless I would like to respond to the article/link you provided.
First a correct definition of pedophilia is a psychological definition with certain characteristics. ne characteristic is the attraction/compulsion to children.
A person who sexually acts against an adolescent post pubescent is not a pedophiac by definition. He is however a sexual abuser and a sexual offender if there is a relationship of trust/ authority. Therefore a prioest or preacher that sexually acts out against an adolescent post pubescent would be a sex offender.
Secondly,false memory is an accurate but dangerous and misued phenomenon that has caused great harm to victims. Those suffering from false memory would be minute. This should not have been a point of argument for the authoprs of the article.
Thirdly I dispute the conclusions drawn by the authors re
there is evidence that priests have a higher rate of false and unfounded allegations than adults in the general population. Less than half of the allegations were found to be substantiated and even with those that were criminally prosecuted a large number—nearly a third—were found not guilty.
The reason I would dispute this is that there are a number of factors that could affect the retraction, unsubstantiation of charges against priests. I would rely more heavily on not guilty verdicts.
I am vehemently against agenda-driven attacks against the Church re sexual abuse, against the characterization of priests, and exagerration of the extent of the problem. I will defend against such rubbish.
At the same time,my vehement defense and advocacy of victims prompted me to respond to the article.
Thanks
The article does not contend the definition of pedophilia you have given.

Second, The conclusion is based on the John Jay Independent study and they say, "Another key difference found in the study is that a little less that half of the priests (1881) were found to be subject to unsubstantiated allegations.

An unsubstantiated allegation was defined as “an allegation that was proven to be untruthful and fabricated” as a result of a criminal investigation. This rate of false accusations is much higher than found in the general population.

So I suppose you could challenge the methodology of how they arrived at the rate, nevertheless it was the finding and that information is not provided. One can also easily argue that just as many factors are involved regardless of the institution and some of those possible motives are given. Regardless it is not anywhere near the focus of the study nor does it seek to discredit legitimate claims, but rather look at the whole for the fullest extent of the picture. The numbers are the numbers.

Third, I think the article was more than fair in pointing out that no definite statisitics can be applied in terms of false memory.
truth

Perth, Australia

#407428 Dec 6, 2012
Jesus say;''go out of him''..
Is that for you problem know about that?
No..i don't think so..lips can pretend many things as well people on power can be very easy manipulative too..if they have interest or pay good money they will find out who when and how?
If they have interest destroy someone person or family they do without any reserve as they doing include why is on power to become abuse power.
Not any excuse for institution harassment does meter who ever they are.
Remember wicket can't have holy ticket.

I think I am ok.
ReginaM

Lakewood, NJ

#407429 Dec 6, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="ReginaM"
Different in that you started out claiming that priestly celibacy is responsible for pedophilia. Anthony correctly pointed out that the majority of abuse cases involved homosexuals and post-pubescent males. We both reminded you that Christ said that those who can bear celibacy should and the called deliberately embrace celibacy for the Kingdom of God. So....you changed your tune and are now claiming that those called to the priesthood and religious life are ignorant and don't have any idea as to what they're sacrificing. I can assure you that these men and women don't live in a vacuum prior to entering the seminary, convent, or monastery. They're fully aware of what they're doing and freely choose to devote their lives to serving God. Sex is not the be all and end all, marriage is not the only vocation in life.
**********
I did not change anything. What are homosexuals and post-pubescent males doing in the priestly ranks? Marriage is not only God's 'invention'; it is the means for building God's church.
You can't tell me that a teenage boy OR girl (not sexually 'savvy') knows what they are giving up. They go into ministry because they desire that high calling. They cannot understand what they are giving up, because they've never 'had' what they are supposedly giving.
KayMarie
Homosexuality is not in and of itself a sin. It is the action that's sinful. I never said post-pubescent males were *in* the priesthood. Kay, you're grasping at straws. You enjoy attacking the Church and will say absolutely anything, true or not, in order to do so. You threw down the sex abuse card, turned it into strictly pedophilia which it isn't, and are now trying to say that those who enter the priesthood and religious life are mere teenagers who haven't a clue as to what they're doing. According to you they're discerning vocations because the notion of responding to a higher calling sounds romantic. It couldn't possibly be that these are highly educated adults who've given a tremendous amount of thought and prayer for several years in their discernment of a life of service to God, to answer His personal call, to build up and minister to His kingdom. Self control for love of God...what a concept!

Robert was right, priests are married to the Church. At one point, the disciples ask Christ if it is "expedient not to marry?" He replies that "not all can accept this teaching; but those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born so...and there are eunuchs who have made themselves so for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let him accept it who can" (Mt 19:10-12).

Interesting article: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/a...
truth

Perth, Australia

#407430 Dec 6, 2012
Institutional harassment make someone killer or to be abusive is worst as well very well known corupt diploma.

What ever and so ever your leaders make on front others are simple victim on long run.

Many pay heavy price from single person family tribe as well nations because of that reason which people from top simple used and misused.

You will say hunting what is in interest someone to pay heavy price is about what?

Others can discover as well others listen..as well others know it is as it is one day will be full stop.

99% have to be hunt or to become victim in name of
many org to have interest just for money privileged and so on..not for ever no.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#407431 Dec 6, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
The article does not contend the definition of pedophilia you have given.
Second, The conclusion is based on the John Jay Independent study and they say, "Another key difference found in the study is that a little less that half of the priests (1881) were found to be subject to unsubstantiated allegations.
An unsubstantiated allegation was defined as “an allegation that was proven to be untruthful and fabricated” as a result of a criminal investigation. This rate of false accusations is much higher than found in the general population.
So I suppose you could challenge the methodology of how they arrived at the rate, nevertheless it was the finding and that information is not provided. One can also easily argue that just as many factors are involved regardless of the institution and some of those possible motives are given. Regardless it is not anywhere near the focus of the study nor does it seek to discredit legitimate claims, but rather look at the whole for the fullest extent of the picture. The numbers are the numbers.
Third, I think the article was more than fair in pointing out that no definite statisitics can be applied in terms of false memory.
I appreciate your information and your response to my post.
I was reluctant at first to say anything about the article but whenever something re sexual abuse is posted my ears perk up because of all my years working with offwnders and victims.I agree that people exploit this particular problem and inflame the numbers to discredit the Church.My goal is a balance hold the real offenders accountable with no minimizing or cover up. Protect the innocent priests who are serving God and are now in a vulnerable position because of those who offended and those who covered up.
I was never accused myself but for a while my institution worked with girls. Often they used accusation to get even with a staff who held them accountabkle etc. At the same time have seen victims decimated by people an entire system that did not want to believe them.Both poles are abhorrent.

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