Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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truth

Perth, Australia

#407189 Dec 5, 2012
4000 years ago..see who..who is know who..but someone who going to be bigger then god..they liked change law and time..
until they destroy everything..
yes
Asked yourself about righteousness!

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#407190 Dec 5, 2012
marge wrote:
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I guess that explains why you blindly follow the rcc, you can't tell the difference. sad.
06Dec12.....

.....jest vot is needed on dis Topic, annudder schidt-for-brains and 'marge da barge' is its name.

Ps:.....BobLoblah believes dat ven it comes to you 'marge', there's more brains in a bottle of wadda.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#407191 Dec 5, 2012
06Dec12,,,,,

.....For ALL the bullschidt dat has been placed hereIN this topic......

...the Holy Roman Catholic Church is the ONE True Church.

Ps:.....but, of course, the hateful, hypocritical, hAtheists have schidt-for-brains and could Never see it that way.

More the pity, BobLoblah dinks.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Clay

Chicago, IL

#407192 Dec 5, 2012
marge wrote:
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I guess that explains why you blindly follow the rcc, you can't tell the difference. sad.
Are you accusing me of blindly following the Roman Catholic Church?
If so, why?
Exactly, you're speaking without thinking it through. I march to my own beat.
If any of ya could come up with a religion that DIDN'T rely on falsehoods about another Church, I would take you seriously.
The fact is, you guys only exist because you stole the Catholic bible and put a false label on it. Then you turned around and smacked the Catholic Church over the head with it using your 40,000 interpretations.
Heck, if I left Catholicism, I couldn't reasonably choose one of you over the other. You all can't function without lying about the Catholic Church!

I'm quite content with where I'm at thank you Margareta.
Oh, and none of you have Christmas (except the Orthodox) and I like Christmas too much.
preston

Waverly, OH

#407193 Dec 5, 2012
Clay wrote:
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Careful Preston, you can't dictate whether or not Dust Storm is a Christian. Or anyone else for that matter.
I have felt his acidic tongue in the past and have no respect for him. in fact, he to me is as bad as gif.

so on him, we will just have to agree to disagree
preston

Waverly, OH

#407194 Dec 5, 2012
marge wrote:
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I guess that explains why you blindly follow the rcc, you can't tell the difference. sad.
stay out of this, it doesnt concern you. so go back to your bong
guest

United States

#407195 Dec 5, 2012
guest wrote:
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Well aren't you the prize citizen, Anthony? Pretending to have the ability to accurately assess someone's mental health over the internet, and offering your services in locating a Mental Healthcare provider. If you would have no trouble locating one for LTM ...HOW COME YOU CAN'T SEEM TO FIND ONE FOR YOURSELF? Yeah, you should probably be more concerned for your own mental health. To think that you are so deeply entrenched in the delusions of the Catholic Church that anyone who proves you wrong needs mental health care? How delusional is that?
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It simply proves what a good Catholic you are! Fully indoctrinated and fully brainwashed into believing it is the JOB of the CATHOLIC church and the Pope to challenge and change God's Word as they see fit.
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Go figure!
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Clay wrote:
Your religion exist for one reason only. Ignorance.
You know it.
It can't survive unless you forgo all reason and logic and embrace deception. You get victims to join your cult by misusing the Holy Bible.
You make a living telling us Catholics what we believe. Amazing... I didn't think the latter was possible. You tell us what we believe?? Lol wow.
Get lost
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Ignorance? The largest "cult" in the world is the Roman Catholic Church.
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All definitions of a cult fit the Catholic Church.
guest

United States

#407196 Dec 5, 2012
Signs of a cult:
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Every cult has a single powerful human leader. In fact, all cult leaders will proclaim themselves a god on earth. Do you recall Jim Jones? or Charles Manson? They both proclaimed themselves to be Jesus Christ. Did you know the Pope does this as well? Listen to what the Pope's of Rome have to say in that regard
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"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." Catholic National July 1895.

"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty" ...Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894,

"For thou art the shepherd, thou art the physician, thou art the director, thou art the husbandman, finally thou art another God on earth." Labbe and Cossart's "History of the Councils." Vol. XIV, col. 109

The title "Lord God the Pope" is found within a gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, title 14, chapter 4, In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (Our Lord God the Pope) can be found in column 153. In a Paris edition, they are found in column 140.

"The pope is the supreme judge of the law of the land ... He is the vicegerent of Christ, and is not only a priest forever, but also King of kings and Lord of lords"--La Civilta Cattolica, March 18, 1871.

"It seems that Pope John Paul II now presides over the universal Church from his place upon Christ's cross," said Bishop Dunn, who traveled with seven other prelates to Rome. Taken from an article entitled, "Auckland Bishop Says Pope Presides From the Cross" AUCKLAND, New Zealand, SEPT. 20, 2004 -Zenit.org (Article # ZE04092001)
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OUR BIBLE SAYS...

Isaiah 45:22, "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#407197 Dec 5, 2012
Clay wrote:
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Careful Preston, you can't dictate whether or not Dust Storm is a Christian. Or anyone else for that matter.
I dont know I would go with anyone? ;-) However the Mantra on this thread is Catholics are not Christians. You do realize Preston doesnt believe God hears prayers of Catholics and but of course the Church is the Whore of Babylon. However his understanding of Justification/sanctification is not the Catholic understanding. I have no desire to speak with him. In his mind he is this great preacher and Apostle. Fine,but is foolishness to argue with a fool who exhalts himself in imaginary victories. The reality is he has withstood nothing nor swayed anyone as he constantly boasts about everything. Sorry, but the guy is a complete loon and I have no intention of feeding his Narcissism or giving him the attention he so desperately needs. I shook my sandals of him long ago.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/purgbas.h...

But letís say salvation was a done deal. Is our sanctification instantly accomplished? Some Protestants say Catholics donít understand the difference between justification and sanctification. They say justification is instantaneous, and sanctification is a lifelong process. Even granting this, the final step into heaven would require us to be perfectly purified and made completely holy through Christís grace, since the church in heaven, where "nothing unclean can enter" contains holy and perfected people (cf. Matthew 5:48; Hebrews 12:14, 23; 1 Thess 5:23; Eph 5:26f; Rev 21:27). So we DO "need to be purified" according to Scripture (cf. Mal 3:2-3; 1 Peter 1:6-9; 1 Cor 3:12-15; Hebrews 12:29), and Christ's one sacrifice is the application of that final purification and sanctification necessary for heaven -- which Catholics call "purgatory."

http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a94.htm

http://www.holysoulscrusade.org/early-fathers...
guest

United States

#407198 Dec 5, 2012
The cult leaders word, or teachings of the cult become absolute truth over shadowing the Word of God. In fact, ALL cult leaders declare their traditions are above the Bible. They must do this because the Bible exposes them. They need to make the Bible appear fallible so as to ingrain the thought process that makes manís word appear superior to Godís Word. What does the Vatican say about their tradition?
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"The Pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ. The Pope has authority and has often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." - Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap.

"...the church is above the Bible, and the transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact" Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923.

"The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed...the Sabbath into Sunday, not by command of Christ, but by its own authority." Canon and Tradition, p. 263

(82) As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, "DOES NOT derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. BOTH SCRIPTURE AND TRADITION MUST BE ACCEPTED AND HONORED WITH EQUAL SENTIMENTS OF DEVOTION AND REVERENCE. Catechism of Catholic Doctrine Page 31

"The Scriptures indeed is a divine book but it is a dead letter, which has to be explained, and cannot exercise the action which the preacher can obtain." -Our Priesthood, p. 155

They also state that the Bible is aÖ

"...A dead and speechless book." -Roman Catholic booklet entitled ďQuestion BoxĒ, p. 67

"The doctrines of the Catholic Church are entirely independent of Holy Scripture." -Familiar Explanation of Catholic Doctrine, Rev. M. Muller, p.151.
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OUR BIBLE SAYS...

Mark 7:7, "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
Isaiah 8:20, "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
guest

United States

#407199 Dec 5, 2012
Each cult uses force to coerce its members into submission. Most cults today will use high pressure tactics to get people to not only join them, they also resort to extreme measures to make them stay. They do this mainly because they know the loved ones of their converts would eventually reveal their hidden evil agenda to them causing them to leave the cult. Is there evidence to support the fact the Roman Catholic church tries to use force to convert people to Catholicism?
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"For teaching faith contrary to the teaching of the Church of Rome, history records the martyrdom of more than 100 million people ." Brief Bible Readings p. 16 Harvest Time books

"There was no village of the Vaudois valleys but had its martyrs. The Waldenses were burned; they were cast into damp and horrid dungeons; they were smothered in crowds in mountain caverns, mothers and babes, and old men and women together; they were sent out into exile in the winter night, unclothed and unfed, to climb the snowy mountains; they were hurled over the rocks; their houses and lands were taken from them; their children were stolen to be indoctrinated with the religion which they abhorred. Rapacious individuals were sent among them to strip them of their property, to persecute and exterminate them. Thousands of heretics" or Waldenses, "old men, women and children, were hung, quartered, broken upon the wheel, or burned alive and their property confiscated for the benefit of the king, and Holy See."-Thompson - The Papacy and the Civil Power

"The Catholic Church has persecuted ... when she thinks it is good to use physical force she will use it... Will the Catholic Church give bond that she will not persecute?... The Catholic Church gives no bonds for her *good behaviour*." -Western Watchman, Dec. 24, 1908 (emphasis added)

"On August 24, 1527, Roman Catholics in France, by prearranged plan, under Jesuit influence, murdered 70,000 Protestants within the space of two months. The Pope rejoiced when he heard the news of the successful outcome."-(Roman Catholic publication) The Western Watchman, Nov.21, 1912

Foxes book of Martyrs reports Rome killed over 500 MILLION Christians during their prophecied attack on Christ and His bride.
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The reason Rome killed these Christians is widely known. Even recently,(March 12, 2000) the Vatican admitted they did this to Christians thinking they were doing Godís will just as Jesus predicted they would think.

John 16:2-3, "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me."

They thought their forceful methods would bring many into the church. Itís true, they did bring people in, but those people were weak and fearful of Rome torturous acts and they denied Christ merely to save their lives. Sadly, Jesus said in Luke 17:33, "Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it." Many went to Christ-less graves simply because they chose to do as Rome demanded over what God commanded. However, there were many that will see a better resurrection because they trusted the Jesus of the Bible and exposed the Antichrist of Rome all the way to their graves.

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guest

United States

#407200 Dec 5, 2012
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And by the way, for those of you that think itís impossible for Rome to kill 500 million Christians during its 1260 year prophecied reign. Which was from 538ad to 1798ad. Letís do the math shall we? If they only killed HALF of the 70,000 as that article said they killed every two months, that would actually equate to, Rome killing only 210,000 Christians each year. Or, 2,100,000 every 10 years, or 210,000.000 every 100 years. But history proves, and Rome admitted, to killing for 1260 years. So, if we are gentle in our math and state Rome killed only 210,000 a year, even though they admitted to killing twice that already in writing. That would equate to them easily killing well over 2,520,000.000 innocent people over the course of 1260 years. And thatís not counting those they killed spiritually. So, the next time someone shows you historic evidence that Rome killed a mere 500 Million during their 1260 year first prophecied reign, it will seem a bit more easy to believe now wonít it?

OUR BIBLE SAYS...

Luke 3:14, "ÖDo violence to no man"
guest

United States

#407201 Dec 5, 2012
Each cult leader will teach a Jesus that is not found in the Scriptures. Like Jim Jones, or Charles Manson, their version of "Jesus" was light-years from the true Jesus of the Bible. Do we see a different Jesus in the Roman Catholic church as well? Do they really preach the Jesus of the Bible in Rome?
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Do they preach Jesus as Savior when their Popes -
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Do they preach Jesus as their High priest when the Roman priests are drunks, smokers, & Sodomite child rapists?
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Do they preach Jesus peaceful while killing 500 million Christians during the dark ages?
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Do they preach Jesus as infallible while placing tradition over and above His Word?
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Do they preach Jesusí death as sufficient when they teach of Purgatory instead of Salvation in Jesus?
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Do they preach Jesusí cross sufficient when teaching you must individually suffer to be saved?
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Do they preach Jesusí cross sufficient when selling Indulgences to escape Hellfire?
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Do they preach Jesus as the only mediator to the Father while going to Priest for forgiveness?
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Do they preach Jesus as Creator when the Pope said in 1996 and 1998 "Evolution is fact" making Jesus the Creator a liar?
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Do they preach Jesus as a wise steward of finances when they teach gambling is acceptable Christ-like activity at their church Carnivals, Casino nights, and Bingo halls?
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Do they preach Jesus as truthful when the Pope praises and embraces Buddhism, Wicca, and Islam as acceptable faiths in the ecumenical movement?
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Do they preach Jesus merciful when they preach that "Fellow believers" stoned Stephan on Roman Catholic Television?
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Do they preach Jesus 100% capable of protecting you when the Pope drives a bullet proof pope-mobile?
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Do they preach Jesus as all embracing Saviour when the Pope preaches you MUST be loyal to him to be saved?
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Do they preach Jesus as worthy of worship when you must bow down to the Pope and kiss his ring?
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Do they preach Jesusí Word as worthy while killing half a billion for reading His Word?
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Do they preach Jesusí adult baptism as an example when they baptize babies?
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Do they preach Jesus worthy of hearing when they put His Bible on the "forbidden book" list in the Council of Valencia in1229ad
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Do they preach Jesusí commandments are holy when they "venerate" crosses, statues, images, and relics. And remove the second Commandment from their Catechism books?
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Do they preach Jesusí Law regarding idols as truth when they preach you must worship a wafer as God?
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Do they preach Jesus is the only way to be saved when they preach a "scapular" will save you from the fires of Hell instead of Jesus?
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Do they preach Jesusí Word is the only Truth when they put books in the Bible that Jesus nor the Apostles ever quoted from, and most theologians have found to be uninspired and contradictory?
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Do they preach Jesus was the only one without sin when they say Mary was "utterly without sin" as well?
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Do they preach Jesus the only source of Truth by calling the Pope infallible and Jesus fallible?
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Do they preach Jesus God, when the Pope himself states to all the world that "He is god"?
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Do they preach Jesus will save you when the Pope proclaims that the "church" is a must for salvation?
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Do they preach Jesus as merciful and kind when they slowly torture hundreds of millions of His followers to death?
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Do they preach Jesus as tolerant and hopeful when they destroy entire countries for political gain?
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Do they preach Jesus as Lord of the Sabbath when they put it in writing that they abolish His Sabbath altogether and force others to comply?

OUR BIBLE SAYS...

1 John 4:3, "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
Isaiah 8:20, "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
guest

United States

#407202 Dec 5, 2012
A Cult will teach a Gospel of good works in place of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Again, like Jim Jones, Charles Manson, and even some of the more "gentle" cults of today. Their leaders always taught that you must work your way to Heaven. Jim Jones declared the Kool-Aid a work that will ďset them free.Ē Charles Manson declared murder their good works. Of course, some cults will use works of murder and mayhem, while still there are others that use good works as their requirement. Does the Catholic church teach you can gain Heaven by what you do instead of what Jesus did?-
The doctrine and practice of indulgences in the Church are closely linked to the effects of the sacrament of Penance. What is an indulgence? "An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints." "An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin." Indulgences may be applied to the living or the dead. The Catechism of the Catholic church says:(Indulgences/good works) Item# 1471 Page 411

An indulgence is obtained through the Church who, by virtue of the power of binding and loosing granted her by Christ Jesus, intervenes in favor of individual Christians and opens for them the treasury of the merits of Christ and the saints to obtain from the Father of mercies the remission of the punishments due for their sins. Thus the Church does not want simply to come to the aid of these Christians, but also to spur them to works of devotion, penance, and charity. Ibid Item# 1478 Page 413

Since the faithful departed now being purified are also members of the same communion of saints, one way we can help them is to obtain indulgences for them, so that the temporal punishments due for their sins may be remitted. Ibid Item# 1479 Page 413

(NOTE: They do not mention Indulgences are received by BUYING THEM here.)
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OUR BIBLE SAYS...

Ephesians 2:9, "Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"
Romans 6:23, "... the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
guest

United States

#407203 Dec 5, 2012
Cults often urge their converts to leave their families. This is a common feature wherein the cult leaders force their converts away from families to prevent them from learning the truth about the cult they are now a member of. All too often some governments actually step in to break up such "communes" because of what has been happening lately. Their reasoning for doing this has to do with the mass suicides many of these cults are known for. I recall back in the 70ís how cults were the focus of many interventions. A family member or friend would be lured away by some cult member. Once there, they are brainwashed, and taught everyone outside the cult are evil and hell-bent on their destruction. So, friends or family, and often both would abduct the loved one back from the cult and bring them to a neutral location where they try to bring them back to reality. In these interventions they would attempt to re-educate, or un-wash their brains during a long series of conversations with loved ones. This was usually done by a cult specialist that would come in and show the affected loved one how the cult had twisted numerous Bible verses to get them to believe their lies over actual truth. It would usually take several days to even weeks in some cases to get the loved one to realize the truth.

Does the Roman Catholic church have a communal structure? Do they house some of their converts so as to keep them away from their family members? This is the easiest of all cultic evidences to expose. The Roman Catholic church is infamous for its Rectories, Convents, and Monasteries

Rectory:
Is a Place were only male priests live permanently away from their family.

Convent:
Is a Place were nuns permanently live away from their family. Cloistered nuns rarely see strangers, let alone family.

Monasteries
Is a place where monks are housed away from society as well as their families and oftentimes in complete silence.
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Romans 1:22-32 describes Roman Catholicism with uncanny accuracy!

It states... "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

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guest

United States

#407204 Dec 5, 2012
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Revelation 18:1-5, "And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities."
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Besides the largest and most dangerous cult. The Roman Catholic Church. There are other cults out there as we all well know. One in particular I would like to bring to your attention. It is attacking the SDA church from within its ranks as did the Roman Catholic church so long ago. They disguise themselves as Sabbath keeping Christians with a strange twist on the Scriptures. It is the Yahweh and Yeshua movement that I like to refer to as the YAHcult.
(p.s. I am not SDA)
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#407205 Dec 5, 2012
Robert F, I asked you very specific questions.
I asked you,
'How many of your sins did Jesus die for?"
You didn't answer.
I asked you,
How many did He take upon Himself and carry to the cross?
You didn't answer.
I asked you'
Was Jesus' payment enough?
You didn't answer.
I asked you,
Is there more to be paid?
You didn't answer.
I asked you,
Can we in any way add to the sacrificial payment that Jesus made?
You didn't answer.
And I asked you,
And what did Jesus mean when He stated that "IT IS FINISHED?"
And YOU DIDN"Y ANSWER.

If you want an honest dialog, please answer these questions.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#407206 Dec 5, 2012
Robert F wrote:
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Dust Storm
Peace
Thank you....I think we all should practice what we preach, and begin with purging our old ways, learning, and unifying ourself with God in all our ways....
I am sure we all are guilty of not practicing what we preach unfortunetly.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#407207 Dec 5, 2012
Clay wrote:
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Ok LTM, I never ask for an apology. But I showed you official Catholic Teaching from the Vatican, in the Catechism. Its plain and simple what the Catholic Church teaches. They removed nothing from the ten commandment.
You fell victim to Guests cult pamphlet he posted.
The best thing for you is to confess you were wrong. If you don't, then you can't be forgiven for violating the 9th commandment!
The RCC shortened/omitted commandments changed the times and laws concerning them as well and you know it.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#407208 Dec 5, 2012
guest wrote:
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http://www.catholicbible101.com/thetencommand...
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and second the reason she's not my type - is I prefer the company of a man.
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Did I read this right? Are you telling us you are a homosexual?

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