Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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Odd how you left out the part about the slave's wife and children. They get to stay with the master, for life.
What were many of the Old Testament slaves???

Many of the Old Testament slaves were members of the wicked and sinful nations.

These slaves were given to the Israelites for their immorality.

When you understand slavery in the Old Testament, come back and we will talk about it....
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Thank you....I think we all should practice what we preach, and begin with purging our old ways, learning, and unifying ourself with God in all our ways....
Learning from whom? If each person has their individual truth then there can never be unity. If we seek a watered down grace and the gospel of do nothing where suffering is but a faint concept then why do good? Why Suffer? All you have to do is believe and whoosh its all over. Hard to compete with the gospel of anything goes.

Purging is the final act of sanctification of suffering. They say that it was all done and absolutely nothing is required of you. Sin just disappears and Christ made a sacrifice for never ending sins. However the bible doesnt say that. The traditions engrained by Luther, Calvin and Zwingli and their continued variations do.

Most and every Protestant on this thread has no idea what the Church teaches, nor what the council of Trent said nor do they care. Paul Never, Not once Ever! Uses Faith Alone together. HOwever James does when he says, "NOT by faith alone."

Colossians 1:24:
“Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church”

http://www.catholicintl.com/index.php/protest...

http://www.catholicbible101.com/whywesuffer.h...
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Its very sad when someone try put this last day in some bag which build 2000 years ago.

Why is like that..you simple say killing.
No you are wrong killing going since Adam and Eva.
Poor conclusion Confe.

Please tell me if I am wrong.

Did man nature change according 2000 years ago and now?

As well education..no we are not some with that privileged on this planet.
Does meter what you think.

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What were many of the Old Testament slaves???
Many of the Old Testament slaves were members of the wicked and sinful nations.
These slaves were given to the Israelites for their immorality.
When you understand slavery in the Old Testament, come back and we will talk about it....
Now you are justifying murder for your god! Way to go! You are one step closer to radical muslim!
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Learning from whom? If each person has their individual truth then there can never be unity. If we seek a watered down grace and the gospel of do nothing where suffering is but a faint concept then why do good? Why Suffer? All you have to do is believe and whoosh its all over. Hard to compete with the gospel of anything goes.
Purging is the final act of sanctification of suffering. They say that it was all done and absolutely nothing is required of you. Sin just disappears and Christ made a sacrifice for never ending sins. However the bible doesnt say that. The traditions engrained by Luther, Calvin and Zwingli and their continued variations do.
Most and every Protestant on this thread has no idea what the Church teaches, nor what the council of Trent said nor do they care. Paul Never, Not once Ever! Uses Faith Alone together. HOwever James does when he says, "NOT by faith alone."
Colossians 1:24:
“Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church”
http://www.catholicintl.com/index.php/protest...
http://www.catholicbible101.com/whywesuffer.h...
but if everyone depends on the knowledge of your church fathers who lived 1800 years ago, then we will remain as they were and not according to what the Bible tells us according to Daniel 12:3-4

and if you think that purging is what God is calling sanctification, you havent even learned from them.

Sanctification is a growing process,and it is a Blessing certainly not any suffering involved, and not some time spent in an unknown place made up by unknown people at some unknow time.
Sanctification is the act or process of acquiring sanctity, of being made or becoming holy. "Sanctity" is an ancient concept widespread among religions, a property of a thing or person sacred or set apart within the religion, from temple vessels to days of the week, to a human believer who achieves this state. To sanctify is literally "to set apart for special use or purpose," figuratively "to make holy or sacred," and etymologically from the Latin verb sanctificare which in turn is from sanctus "holy" and facere "to make."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctification
now throw out some of your garbage in your hissy attitude, that only you possess, thank God for that.

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I know what you mean Robert, but if you continue on the path you have set for yourself, it really looks like you've already rejected many of what Jesus taught.
Why do you contradict yourself and lie to others about how much you believe in Jesus?
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You've got a long way to go, if you think putting your burdens upon Jesus will save you.
Take responsibility for your own actions, and then, maybe then, Jesus will "save" you.
NASL

Our paths are different....You and I both know it.

I need a Saviour. His name is Jesus. I know him. He saved me before I knew him. Now that I know him, I am aware as one accountable for my actions.
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No we not make any justification.Your Creator know nature of man and woman good and very bad side.Someone who watch Creation..but try be bigger then God.

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<quoted text>Welll Robert, I do agree with your post, but you have in no way answered my questions or adressed the issue.
4GVN good friend

Thank you, on agreeing with me....

I desire to answer your questions, and I am not quite sure of what issue you have....To me it seems you think of the RCC in one way, and others in the RCC think another, concerning the RCC. This comes down not to belief, or the strength of one's convictions, and proving to self or God of one's righteousness.

It is about loving one another....

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<quoted text>Welll Robert, I do agree with your post, but you have in no way answered my questions or adressed the issue.
That seems to be the norm for believers, rob is especially good at it.

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Learning from whom? If each person has their individual truth then there can never be unity. If we seek a watered down grace and the gospel of do nothing where suffering is but a faint concept then why do good? Why Suffer? All you have to do is believe and whoosh its all over. Hard to compete with the gospel of anything goes.
Purging is the final act of sanctification of suffering. They say that it was all done and absolutely nothing is required of you. Sin just disappears and Christ made a sacrifice for never ending sins. However the bible doesnt say that. The traditions engrained by Luther, Calvin and Zwingli and their continued variations do.
Most and every Protestant on this thread has no idea what the Church teaches, nor what the council of Trent said nor do they care. Paul Never, Not once Ever! Uses Faith Alone together. HOwever James does when he says, "NOT by faith alone."
Colossians 1:24:
“Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church”
http://www.catholicintl.com/index.php/protest...
http://www.catholicbible101.com/whywesuffer.h...
Dust Storm
Peace

I was using language a non-Catholic would understand....

I mean what is the point of using a "foreign" language/concept unless to communicate?

So to the Catholic I would say Purgative/Illuminative/Unitive ..., which are state of the soul on its journey....

Pilgrims Progress, by John Bunyon to the non-Catholic would consider the soul on its journey as well....

There are a lot of similarities....

I like that Colossions 1:24 verse....It really shows that we need to participate in our sufferings toward the Church....

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<quoted text>I like that Colossions 1:24 verse....It really shows that we need to participate in our sufferings toward the Church....
I like:

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.(Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

It shows that the bible was written by men to control other men. They didn't want fathers to get a virgin bride price for soiled goods.
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You posted a cult link this morning falsely accusing the Catholic Church of removing parts of the ten Commandments. Then, LTM bought into it. I proved the Catholic Bible has the same amount as yours. I showed the catechism stating the commandments how they were given, removing nothing. I testified that I learned the Commandments in Catholic grade school exactly like the book of Exodus shows... Thus you are now guilty of violating the 9th commandment and creating a victim in LTM.
How can you possibly look Christ in the eye someday?
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http://www.catholicbible101.com/thetencommand...
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Funny how this CATHOLIC site has shown the differences and made the point of telling us that THEIR 10 Commandments are 2000 years old, compared to the PROTESTANT 10 Commandments which are only 500 years old.
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Only thing is - that in suspending logic, the site administrator FORGETS that The HEBREW 10 Commandments written in about 1512 B.C.E.
and which, incidentally, match the Protestant 10 Commandments. Since the Hebrew 10 Commandments is where we get them in the first place, I'll agree with the Hebrew 10 Commandments.
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Now, Clay, you have borne false witness against me, by accusing me of violating the 9th commandment, and according to your Catholic Commandments as printed on this web site, that would be:

9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
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Now, I never! First of all, my neighbors wife is really not my type! and second the reason she's not my type - is I prefer the company of a man.
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Furthermore: as per your question, I ask the same of your church members -- and ... you might well ask your church hierarchy the same question.
Clay: "How can you possibly look Christ in the eye someday?"
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I won't even go into the second commandment. You are gonna do what you wanna do, regardless. Graven images are all over your churches and forget the Vatican and the Pagan Sun symbols. Forget the symbols of Mary with stars and snakes under her feet .. and that's just a sampling.
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But, look at THESE commandments while considering the Pedophile priests and those (church hierarchy, all the way to the Pope) who covered up for them.
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7. You shall not commit adultery
WHAT? do Catholic Priests think it is NOT adultery to rape a child?
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9. You shall not bear false witness
they rape children and then LIE about raping children?
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10. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor
and someone should tell them they should not covet their parish members' children.
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I despise the Catholic Church for the lies she has told for 2000 years.
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When I was Catholic, I desperately wanted to visit the Vatican. NOW even the *thought* of stepping foot on the property makes me physically ill.
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Dust Storm
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I was using language a non-Catholic would understand....
I mean what is the point of using a "foreign" language/concept unless to communicate?
So to the Catholic I would say Purgative/Illuminative/Unitive ..., which are state of the soul on its journey....
Pilgrims Progress, by John Bunyon to the non-Catholic would consider the soul on its journey as well....
There are a lot of similarities....
I like that Colossions 1:24 verse....It really shows that we need to participate in our sufferings toward the Church....
Ok, but I have not seen many protestants on a journey. Salvation is not a process its an event. How someone who claims to be a preacher can say sanctification has nothing to with any suffering is beyond me. However nothing will ever be satisfactory for 4bdn because the view of sanctification/justification are not the same. For him/her its all done. The do not understand the churches teaching on grace. It will always boil down to what Paul and James were saying. That was a major shift. What do Catholics know they are the whore of babylon and those early Fathers were all daft according to those in here. I am done with them, but its useless to talk about purification from someone who claims they are completely pure. Its all done. They read some words one day and thats it.

"For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification." (Rom 6:19)

For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality.(1 Thess 4:2-3)

Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. Therefore, if a man cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.(2 Tim 2:20-21)

The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.... if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.(1 John 2:4-6; 4:12)

Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and let the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and let the one who is holy, still keep himself holy.(Rev 22:11)

Romans 5:3-5 And not only this, but [we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; 4 and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; 5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us (What!?) Suffering? Tribulations? Does what!?

2 Thessalonians 2:13

But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
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Funny how this CATHOLIC site has shown the differences and made the point of telling us that THEIR 10 Commandments are 2000 years old, compared to the PROTESTANT 10 Commandments which are only 500 years old.
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Only thing is - that in suspending logic, the site administrator FORGETS that The HEBREW 10 Commandments written in about 1512 B.C.E.
and which, incidentally, match the Protestant 10 Commandments. Since the Hebrew 10 Commandments is where we get them in the first place, I'll agree with the Hebrew 10 Commandments.
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Now, Clay, you have borne false witness against me, by accusing me of violating the 9th commandment, and according to your Catholic Commandments as printed on this web site, that would be:
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
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Now, I never! First of all, my neighbors wife is really not my type! and second the reason she's not my type - is I prefer the company of a man.
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Furthermore: as per your question, I ask the same of your church members -- and ... you might well ask your church hierarchy the same question.
Clay: "How can you possibly look Christ in the eye someday?"
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I won't even go into the second commandment. You are gonna do what you wanna do, regardless. Graven images are all over your churches and forget the Vatican and the Pagan Sun symbols. Forget the symbols of Mary with stars and snakes under her feet .. and that's just a sampling.
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But, look at THESE commandments while considering the Pedophile priests and those (church hierarchy, all the way to the Pope) who covered up for them.
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7. You shall not commit adultery
WHAT? do Catholic Priests think it is NOT adultery to rape a child?
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9. You shall not bear false witness
they rape children and then LIE about raping children?
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10. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor
and someone should tell them they should not covet their parish members' children.
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I despise the Catholic Church for the lies she has told for 2000 years.
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When I was Catholic, I desperately wanted to visit the Vatican. NOW even the *thought* of stepping foot on the property makes me physically ill.
I don't get it. I told you what official Catholic teachings are concerning the ten commandments. Yet you ignore it, and post a web page with 'catholic' in the title, and say "look, there it is, I told you so"
You're a con artist.

1. Are you aware pedophilia is no more rampant in the Catholic Church, then YOUR church!
Bingo you worthless fraud.

2. Why do you single out the Catholic Church?

3. If we're not the Church that Christ started, then who is?
You can't answer that without looking stupid. So I'll let you come up with another cult pamphlet to post.
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Funny how this CATHOLIC site has shown the differences and made the point of telling us that THEIR 10 Commandments are 2000 years old, compared to the PROTESTANT 10 Commandments which are only 500 years old.
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Only thing is - that in suspending logic, the site administrator FORGETS that The HEBREW 10 Commandments written in about 1512 B.C.E.
and which, incidentally, match the Protestant 10 Commandments. Since the Hebrew 10 Commandments is where we get them in the first place, I'll agree with the Hebrew 10 Commandments.
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Now, Clay, you have borne false witness against me, by accusing me of violating the 9th commandment, and according to your Catholic Commandments as printed on this web site, that would be:
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
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Now, I never! First of all, my neighbors wife is really not my type! and second the reason she's not my type - is I prefer the company of a man.
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Furthermore: as per your question, I ask the same of your church members -- and ... you might well ask your church hierarchy the same question.
Clay: "How can you possibly look Christ in the eye someday?"
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I won't even go into the second commandment. You are gonna do what you wanna do, regardless. Graven images are all over your churches and forget the Vatican and the Pagan Sun symbols. Forget the symbols of Mary with stars and snakes under her feet .. and that's just a sampling.
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But, look at THESE commandments while considering the Pedophile priests and those (church hierarchy, all the way to the Pope) who covered up for them.
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7. You shall not commit adultery
WHAT? do Catholic Priests think it is NOT adultery to rape a child?
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9. You shall not bear false witness
they rape children and then LIE about raping children?
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10. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor
and someone should tell them they should not covet their parish members' children.
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I despise the Catholic Church for the lies she has told for 2000 years.
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When I was Catholic, I desperately wanted to visit the Vatican. NOW even the *thought* of stepping foot on the property makes me physically ill.
When you're interested in actual truth instead of cult deception then come talk to us.

I'll promise you the same thing I promised Confrint.

I'm willing to leave the Catholic faith tomorrow, if you could somehow persuade me that the Church is wrong and you are right.

But here is the kicker: you're not allowed to use deception. I will look into whatever you tell me... If it doesn't check out, I can't follow you.

Example: if you say 'sex abuse scandal'..
and my research shows its the same numbers in YOUR church as mine and in YOUR family as mine- statistically speaking, then I'll dismiss you.

If you say "Catholics worship statues".. And I - being Catholic - knows this is not true- I will dismiss whatever cult you're trying to get me to join.

If you speak truth, then it should be a piece of cake to get me out of Catholicism
Your move.
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Ok, but I have not seen many protestants on a journey. Salvation is not a process its an event. How someone who claims to be a preacher can say sanctification has nothing to with any suffering is beyond me. However nothing will ever be satisfactory for 4bdn because the view of sanctification/justification are not the same. For him/her its all done. The do not understand the churches teaching on grace. It will always boil down to what Paul and James were saying. That was a major shift. What do Catholics know they are the whore of babylon and those early Fathers were all daft according to those in here. I am done with them, but its useless to talk about purification from someone who claims they are completely pure. Its all done. They read some words one day and thats it.
"For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification." (Rom 6:19)
For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality.(1 Thess 4:2-3)
Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. Therefore, if a man cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.(2 Tim 2:20-21)
The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.... if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.(1 John 2:4-6; 4:12)
Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and let the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and let the one who is holy, still keep himself holy.(Rev 22:11)
Romans 5:3-5 And not only this, but [we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; 4 and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; 5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us (What!?) Suffering? Tribulations? Does what!?
2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
in these verses that you presented, please tell us where you find that any purging is present in them.

never mind, if you were a Christian you would understand, and since you arent, you Dont.
simple as that.and this part of the verse clearly shows that you dont understand."sanctificatio n of the Spirit .NOTICE THAT IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT THE AUTHOR IS TALKING ABOUT, NOT THE BODY.

and again I will tell you, it is a blessing not any type of suferring as you are suggesting{How someone who claims to be a preacher can say sanctification has nothing to with any suffering is beyond me.}
and it is easy for me to say that to you since again you arent a Christian and so you dont understand the things of God.AND IT SHOWS.
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<quoted text>in these verses that you presented, please tell us where you find that any purging is present in them.
never mind, if you were a Christian you would understand, and since you arent, you Dont.
simple as that.and this part of the verse clearly shows that you dont understand."sanctificatio n of the Spirit .NOTICE THAT IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT THE AUTHOR IS TALKING ABOUT, NOT THE BODY.
and again I will tell you, it is a blessing not any type of suferring as you are suggesting{How someone who claims to be a preacher can say sanctification has nothing to with any suffering is beyond me.}
and it is easy for me to say that to you since again you arent a Christian and so you dont understand the things of God.AND IT SHOWS.
Careful Preston, you can't dictate whether or not Dust Storm is a Christian. Or anyone else for that matter.
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Careful Preston, you can't dictate whether or not Dust Storm is a Christian. Or anyone else for that matter.
I guess that explains why you blindly follow the rcc, you can't tell the difference. sad.

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Di yo mammy makes da dirt?
06Dec12.....

....da snakes crawl at night and da 'slackBleep', once again, just cannot comeUP vit the answer.

Ps:....Vonder vhy!!!

Yo momma sucks pigs.

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You really don't understand Science, huh? "Dirt is such a varied mixture of different minerals and compounds that almost anything can be included. However, the most common rocks make the most common components. This would usually mean a lot of quartz (silicon dioxide, SiO2), limestone (calcium carbonate, CaCO3), and all the other usual suspects. The other basic component of soil is organic matter, so various hydrocarbons associated with life will be abundant." http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index... You give lazy a bad name.
06Dec12.....

.....BobLoblah unnerstans more dan you dink.

Ps:.....Now WHO made the varied mixture of different minerals and compounds that almost anything can be included...especially the most common rocks?????

..and the udder basic components of soil that is organic matter, and hydrocarbons associated with life???????

Come on. Come on. Explain WHO made dis stuffys.

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Enter and win $5000
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