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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 681967 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#407367 Dec 6, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
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Robert,
What I am most happy about is that you have been led back to God. You are chosen and hopefully you can help others grow with you. How often do we see those in the bible who had moments of deep doubt and darkness in both the OT and New. Mother Teresa relates well to what you say here. May you receive blessings beyond your trials.
Dust Storm
Peace

Blessing on you....

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#407368 Dec 6, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Really?!? You really think that I liked it? Murdering a girl because she lost their virginity? Are you nuts?
Why only the girls? Men are in control, so they can screw around as much as they want, but women can't? That's not f'ed up at all!
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Murder is murder, is it not? Murdering a 16yo girl, not the boys, just the girls, for having sex before marriage is just as evil and any other excuse to murder.
TBS

I really didn't think you liked it....In point, I doubt very much that there is anything in the Bible you like....

But where you said it facetiously, I replied with concern for justice....And as I wrote, in Deut 22 there are a lot of offences in rape and adultery that requires death as the sentence(men and women).

But as you prefer, murdering babies in the womb is preferable in massive numbers....Imagine how many fewer murders there would be if rape and adultery were punishable by death?

Well, you may get Sharia Law....At least Christians and Jews might live with them. But for others....well it doesn't look so good....
Free Mind

Eaton Park, FL

#407369 Dec 6, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Free Mind, I agree with you.We need to be clear on our basis for belief.As long as we do that, we reduce our vulnerabilities to attack. There is nothing wrong with faith.It is no less of value than the other more wholesome" means of belief.This would include philosophy, which has no means of speaking of the spiritual dimension.
In addition, the Orthodox believe in apophatic philosophy. This means it is difficult to make positive or definitive statements about God because He surpasses the ability of our concepts and language to define him. Apophatic philosophy describe what God is not.
Lastly,being a firm advocate of philosophy, logic, history, etc.,I have no shame whatsoever declaring that Christ lived, lives and is my saviour.I am not in the least doubt hampered by academic onslaught. I believe based on faith.I would add that I know God somewhat through experience. Again, this can not be defined or proven in traditional ways.
I concur that history for prove of Christ is weak. There is some there but it is by no means sufficient to meet firm standards.
So I cakll it as it is. Faith.nd say so not meekly but with confidence. Christ is Lord.
So being a student of philosophy, I know its limits and declare unequivacobly that I believe in Christ based on faith.
Hermi - that is the BEST POST in a long, long time.

You faith is positive and optimistic. Apophatic philosophy is a very wise approach IMHO. It broadens the spectrum, gives greater glory to God, and leaves the petty dogmatic disputes on the curb.

No one can seriously argue with the VALUE of that kind of faith.

Again, wonderfully insightful post. Thank you.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407370 Dec 6, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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More anger, bitterness, hate and bigotry. You feel it in the depths of your soul. You are aware of it but can't stop it or contain it.
I repeat, I know who and what you are confrinting, and so does God.
I hope for your sake it's not too late for you because I do care about your eternal soul.
I'll continue to pray for you. God bless.
~~~

Why should I be angry with you Roman Catholics...

My heart goes out to you in your refusing the gift of GOD

by faith,... ATTEMPTING to earn YOUR REDEMPTION

COUNTING THE BLOOD OF JESUS AS BEING INADEQUATE..

You are EVIDENTLY the angry one that has called me names

To which Saint are you praying for my salvation..

I have no patron saint...

Jesus is altogether sufficient...He is the one that died for my

salvation...

HE CAME... HE SAW... HE CONQUERED...DEATH HELL AND THE GRAVE..

.HE DEFEATED THE ENEMY OF MY SOUL... AND

RESTORED MY FELLOWSHIP WITH THE HEAVENLY FATHER, BY SHEDDING HIS

BLOOD ...WHICH I GLADLY RECEIVE BY FAITH AS THE PROPITIATION FOR MY SINS.

NOT BY MY WORKS ...

BUT

BY FAITH IN HIS BEING THE ALL SUFFICIENT SACRIFICE ...FOR MY SINS.

I NEED NOT ATTEMPT TO ADD ANY WORKS TO WHAT CHRIST AS ALREADY DONE

ALL I HAVE TO DO IS RECEIVE HIS GIFTS

AND

OBEY HIS WORD...

SORRY YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVE TO EARN YOURS...

MY SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT.

AS JESUS TOLD THE WOMEN THAT WAS TAKEN IN ADULTERY...

Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her,

==> Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.<==


Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying,

I am the light of the world:

he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness,

but shall have the light of life.

~~~

I THANK GOD FOR HIS LIGHT OF LIFE...
Free Mind

Eaton Park, FL

#407371 Dec 6, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Free Mind, I agree with you.We need to be clear on our basis for belief.As long as we do that, we reduce our vulnerabilities to attack. There is nothing wrong with faith.It is no less of value than the other more wholesome" means of belief.This would include philosophy, which has no means of speaking of the spiritual dimension.
In addition, the Orthodox believe in apophatic philosophy. This means it is difficult to make positive or definitive statements about God because He surpasses the ability of our concepts and language to define him. Apophatic philosophy describe what God is not.
Lastly,being a firm advocate of philosophy, logic, history, etc.,I have no shame whatsoever declaring that Christ lived, lives and is my saviour.I am not in the least doubt hampered by academic onslaught. I believe based on faith.I would add that I know God somewhat through experience. Again, this can not be defined or proven in traditional ways.
I concur that history for prove of Christ is weak. There is some there but it is by no means sufficient to meet firm standards.
So I cakll it as it is. Faith.nd say so not meekly but with confidence. Christ is Lord.
So being a student of philosophy, I know its limits and declare unequivacobly that I believe in Christ based on faith.
“That which is infinite is known only to itself."

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407372 Dec 6, 2012
who="Robert F"
KayMarie good friend
I can accept your viewpoint. But it is not informed....A priest is not a minister. A priest is married to the Church, and his flock(children) is his family here on earth....So having so many to take care of he cannot be like a Protestant minister/preacher.

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I am very informed. Minister is a verb. Nurses and doctors 'minister' to their patients. Pastors 'minister' to their flock. Even the janitor 'ministers' to those he serves.

A priest may serve a church...but 'marriage'??? I have ministered to many people, and I raised nine children in my spare time. The more I worked with both, the more I knew how to 'minister' to all of them.

I understand well about having spiritual 'children'. Two of those nine were adopted. I served (ministered to) a multitude of others who still call me "Mom".

Christians are "not of this world"...but they have to live IN IT. Jesus said in His prayer in John 17:15, "I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that you should keep them from the evil one"

It sounds poetic, but ministers/pastors/priests are NOT married to the church.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407373 Dec 6, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
How many protestant pastors do you know that would give up sex in order to completely dedicate their lives to God?

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Now let me get this straight:

God gave mankind the gift of sex, and commanded them to multiply.
God calls the children of such union, HIS children. There must be children to replenish God's earth...and make up the Body of Christ...

But:
Man must give up sex to dedicate his life to God???

It does not compute.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407374 Dec 6, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
Yes, but 4gvn says that ALL sins, past, presnt and future are covered no matter what. It sounds like you disagree with him.

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Christ died for our sins BEFORE we committed them. He esteemed us worthy before we were born, simply because we are His creation, and He loves us.
I 'sign' that covenant by agreeing in faith that HIS sacrifice is sufficient, that His Word is true.

Whatsoever is not of faith is SIN. Jesus said that if one knows to do good, and does not do it, it is sin to him. It is written:'Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.' I wouldn't want to take the risk.

This is not meant to scare someone who may have failed unintentionally or unknowingly, and cause them to fear the God will not forgive them. God is not willing that any will perish, and will go to great lengths to save mankind/me/you. But don't try His patience...

KayMarie

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#407375 Dec 6, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
“That which is infinite is known only to itself."
Memorable post. I will remember and use that post.It certainly helps when we approach trying to understand God. Thanks

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407376 Dec 6, 2012
who="4GVN" KayMarie, please take the time to sincerely and PRAYERFULLY consider your response. DID Jesus pay for ALL of your (future) sins on the cross? Was it a (FULL) payment? Therefore are they not all(covered)?
I do understand the donfusion, but consider for a moment what your reply would entail. If (any) unconfessed sin was not (covered) we would be in danger of hell at any moment in our lives. In fact we could never be confident of our salvation because it would all hinge on the last moments before death. And what of the sins we commit(falling short of the Glory of God) that we are not even aware of. The scripture tells us that "to him that knows to to good and does it not, to him it is sin." How many times do we as christians fail to to that 'good' thing that we have thought(I should do this, or I should do that), but we just never get around to it. Scripture telles us that that is sin. If that is true and as you say since we did not repent of it we are lost, because that sin was not covered. If that were true we would have NO POSSIBILITY of ever reaching heaven. JESUS PAID IT ALL. They are ALL covered! And we were given the GIFT of eternal life the moment we trusted in that finished work(completed and paid in full) by Jesus. I believe taht what you are misunderstanding is chastisement."whom the Lord loves(His children) He chastises" to bring us back to where He wants us to be. God does not chastise anothers children. Only His own.

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I understand your point. But surely you also understand that one knows whether they are in rebellion against God.
If the heart is where it should be with God, there need be no fear that He will destroy us for some unknown/unintended offense. The just shall LIVE by his faith; if your faith is founded in HIM, you do not need to be afraid.

Yes, He does chasten/correct those He loves. If that happens and the heart is right, the individual will be led to repentance by His correction.

The rebel will turn against God, the church, and other people.

KayMarie
Free Mind

Eaton Park, FL

#407377 Dec 6, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Memorable post. I will remember and use that post.It certainly helps when we approach trying to understand God. Thanks
Not me. That is quoting Tertullian.
truth

Maylands, Australia

#407378 Dec 6, 2012
Why is like that Confe?..give up..no.

Our lovely God created man and woman.
As well woman must be reproductive.

Who told you that woman need give up???
confeeeeeeeee

Its first commandments from God!
-be productive=plodite se

It is on beginning.

Man must provide and sustain family in all aspect.

If not like that man lose manhood!!!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407379 Dec 6, 2012
who="ReginaM"
Yes, I'm well, thank you for asking. Please do keep the many who are still suffering from the storm in your prayers, particularly those who lost their primary residence and are struggling financially.
Your answer is quite a bit different from your previous posts, Kay. The priesthood is a choice, an answer to God's call. No one goes into it in ignorance. We're all fallen creatures, God knows this when He calls these men to serve Him. Much time, usually years, is spent in discernment of the vocation. Is adultery an indication that the married state isn't valid? Should a man or woman who cheats on their spouse throw in the towel and divorce because their "failing" means they shouldn't be married? We all fail.

**********

Different? How so?

There IS forgiveness for adultery in the marriage state...if both parties are willing. I have seen such restoration. But it is MUCH better if the adultery never occurred; it sends shock waves through family and friends.

It is much worse when it is spiritual adultery. The church is wounded; some never recover, and the enemy gloats over the failure.

My statement about 'ignorance' was in reference to the young man or woman who has never known sexual intimacy. They don't know what they are promising to give up. Nor do they know the intensity of the temptation they will face.

KayMarie
truth

Maylands, Australia

#407380 Dec 6, 2012
When man lose manhood its depression..lose job family and everything..Why is like that confe?

Mind is only one place where and when man or woman fill hopeless..its game in your head which others have big diploma as well big money teach others find path.

Did farmaceutic company can help?
noooooo confeeeeeeeee

Head=mind.. person can help by themself!

Its mean game of others which always try have impact
over people as professional manipulation on massive scale or single issue are catastrophic.

To have healthy head as well mind is only one thing see yourself as worthy does meter how you look..old young poor rich..always exist path..knock knock knock..one door will be open.

Church is institution..prayers or believers take as they think what is good for them as they could understood.

byyyyyy confeeeeeee

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407383 Dec 6, 2012
who="ReginaM" In the United States, about 50% of men arrested for pedophilia are married.
http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia...
I guess marriage is a curse.

**********

You might say that some marriages ARE. Wives and/or husbands that shun or brutalize their spouse, are denying them the affection so necessary to a marriage. Their partners sometimes look for that affection elsewhere, and mess up the lives of others while they search.

Girls who are molested by their fathers see a husband as 'the old man who lays on the couch and tries to stop their fun. They are always looking for it elsewhere...unless they find effective counseling.

Todays society is in confusion because we are not taught that, as God's creation, every human being is valuable.

KayMarie
truth

Maylands, Australia

#407384 Dec 6, 2012
To open for discussion is not adulatory..its old fashion thinking.

People is born with many character as well talent.
Our lovely Creator created us just like that.
Many people can tell you with art with many colors as well symbols but not speak to much..no.
Many people can wrote books poems what stay within mind as well heart as well many secrets too.
Many people can act or dance or sing..tell you many things as secrets too.
Many people can work in great creation with nature still tell you many things as secrets patterns.
Please forgive me about that!

Did our lovely Lord judging us because of that?

Its mean we stay in his Marcy!
Not because we deserve..because Our lovely Creator know everything about us..you can't hide nothing at all.

Pleasure..o yes yes yes dreaming..its in man or woman mind.

''Mind'' is great creation.
truth

Maylands, Australia

#407385 Dec 6, 2012
Mercy!

Is that deference when already have that mercy
when he teach us
- be productive in all aspect

Why is adulatory..7 billions kids.
Did all of them been lost?

No..why is like that?
Creator created us with ability each his creation can find path..before and after.

Please tell me what is lost but can't find?!..no your God can find anything as well know why is like that..much more sometimes going put you on test of endurance.

Real massage is;''they attacking you because of me but you will ''endure''.

Since: Dec 11

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#407386 Dec 6, 2012
Chastity is connected with proximity of the altar and the Old Testament laws of ritual purity applicable to the Levitical priesthood. Since the liturgical sacrifice was to be offered daily, the Levitical rules of abstinence before temple service made it impossible for clergy to ever have conjugal relations.

Marriage according to the Lord and celibacy for the Lord’s sake are two different spiritual paths.
A person is free to follow either, depending on their vocation for both are valid.Both have teir particular service to the Lord.We must respect those who have chosen the path of chastity but it gives them no right to consider themselves superior to married priests.

Re: Paul’s instructions never meant that one must be married to qualify for ordination.Paul assumed that most candidates would be converts with families. Paul favored but the Canons did not require celibacy. He understood it as “a gift”

As far as Catholic v Orthodox is concerned,in theory, there is really nothing to argue about: Rome favors the discipline of a continent and unmarried priesthood while the East feels that in general, married presbyters are better suited for non-monastic service to a parish. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that celibacy is not intrinsic to the priesthood, It is s disciplinary, non-dogmatic matter,.It could be revised.

However, as someone who has worked with sex offenders for around 20 years, I would say the issue of homosexualiy has some but very very little to do with the issue of sexual abuse in the church.First, even if the victims are pubescent or prepubescent there is the issue of power in the sexual acting out. The priest has a power position over the victim. Secondly some molester just have a target range of a pubescent or prepubescent preference.

Since: Dec 11

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#407387 Dec 6, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="ReginaM" In the United States, about 50% of men arrested for pedophilia are married.
http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia...
I guess marriage is a curse.
**********
You might say that some marriages ARE. Wives and/or husbands that shun or brutalize their spouse, are denying them the affection so necessary to a marriage. Their partners sometimes look for that affection elsewhere, and mess up the lives of others while they search.
Girls who are molested by their fathers see a husband as 'the old man who lays on the couch and tries to stop their fun. They are always looking for it elsewhere...unless they find effective counseling.
Todays society is in confusion because we are not taught that, as God's creation, every human being is valuable.
KayMarie
Kay Marie,

I used to think the same way as you described, but in time, working with abusers I learned that whether they get satisfied at home with their wives or not has nothing to do with their sexual abuse of others.Thuis is a preference and a problem. This is a compulsion that will drive them no matter what the wife presents. do agree that some husbands cheat because of the coldness and lack of affection from their wives.I know this is no excuse and the husbands are part of the problem.Love your posts and love you and your husband.
truth

Maylands, Australia

#407388 Dec 6, 2012
Yes you can see kauc..so what.its very nice and please see that..don't you as well make you funny or worried..still does meter.
Why is like that?
We grow up..from seek pleasure..everything have time..our lovely Creator created everything within us as well know..each of us is deference.
You try spread something confe..then i will protect myself..Are you for sure you not thinking like that about protection in need..disease is very dangerous..but diploma as well law stop become law.
One reason is that Where I stop believe in law when others tray hide something.
Law exist on papers which only interest say yes or not.If someone have interest dined law and try destroy you then..you have what..sofa?!!!
No confe!!!

You have what your lovely God created within you mind and heart.Then your law is love yourself not hurt yourself ..not kill yourself..just disconnect or find path what is good or not by yourself.

Our lovely Lord give law some for everybody.
Law where abuse power stop become law.
Where possession of others become proclamation of law
where God not exist where every Lord become reject
as well each person..its law of anarchy
''kiss girls does meter which one is married or not''''take what ever you want as well do what ever you want''= Is that adulatory as well some abuse power?

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