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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 596369 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#406861 Dec 4, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not Luther that took out the truth from the Bible...
The true meaning was destroyed.... BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
WHEN IT .... TRANSLATED THE Bible
INTO LATIN...
LATIN IS A DEAD LANGUAGE JUST AS RROMAN CATHOLICISM IS A DEAD CHURCH.
~~~

To my knowledge...

There is no nation that exist today that speaks Latin...

Though Latin is not a Modern language...It is not the original language that the Bible was first given in.

The real meat of the Bible has been taken out in man of the the translation's of the Bible by many modern translators.

I use a 26 translation Bible...
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#406862 Dec 4, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
What I said is Catholic belief. Purgatory is more of a process than a place.
Anyway, what you say our Bible says, means nothing. You should be careful when you stand up and teach what *you* think is Gods will. You're not an authority.
Besides, our Bible has more books that Luther took out. Those books validate our teachings.
You don't have to be "an authorty" to know how to read. Perhaps you should try it. And you don't know that any other books validate your teachings, because you are not an authority. If you don't believe that Jesus' finished work on the cross was suffecient, that is an issue you will have to deal with. If you believe in PURGATORY, then you believe that YOU can some how suffer and that will pay your own sin debt. It really isn't rocket science Clay. It is either/or. Jesus died for your sins(all of your sins) which were all in the future when He paid the price for them. And that payment was credited to your account when you became a believer. "OR" Jesus only paid for some of your sins, and now you have to suffer for the 'rest of them'
yourself.
preston

Waverly, OH

#406863 Dec 4, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Latin dialects became the Spanish, Portugese, Italian and French lanuages. Two thirds of the English language can be traced back to Latin. It may not look exactly the same as when it started, but it's the foundation of every 'Romance' language spoken in the west. In the same manner, all of the competing protestant denominations are simply cheap imitations of the original Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church. You may think it's dead, but unfortunately at your age you'll be finding out sooner than most of us here. Good luck.
you can forget it, gif has never heard of what we call the Romance Languages.

just as he couldnt address the post that reggie made about puragtory being a doctrine of your church, and he shouted at her that it wasnt in the Bible. after saying something to him , then he finally found out what she said in the first place.

in my high school, "college prep"meant that you had to take two foreign languages and our little school only taught Latin and Spanish, so it was not a "dead' language back in the late 50's and 60's.

I hate to beat on him constantly, but there is no way that he ever graduated from any Bible college, as his wife says that he DID ATTEND one.

when all he said was that he cleaned their classrooms.his ignorance continually amazes me, and probably you, among others too.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#406864 Dec 4, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
Quit being so dramatic. It doesn't take much to set you off my friend. When your child does something seriously wrong, they are forgiven, but they still get their just punishment. They are still loved and after the punishment, it's all good.
"Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin." Hebrews 10:18. Our forgiveness is already complete; we do not need to be purified in purgatory!"
This is a common example of not only how Protestants misunderstand what Catholics mean by purgatory, but how they take a biblical verse out of context. First of all, that one offering for sin is Christ, and we all agree since we tie purgatory into the final phase of sanctification. Our forgiveness is complete in Christ and because of Christ's one offering, this is possible. There is no problem with the one offering or sacrifice, or the ongoing sanctification as an application of that one sacrifice (Hebrew 10:10-14; 1 John 1:7-9; 2:1-2).
But let us read Hebrews chapter 10 in context, and see if that sacrifice applies irrevocably forever to a believer:
16: "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds," 17: then he adds, "I will remember their sins and their misdeeds no more." 18: Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin. 19: Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus, 20: by the new and living way which he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, 21: and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22: let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith,.....
Rest here; http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a94.htm

**********

If my child is truly repentant, I will not punish him.

You spoke God's heart when you wrote: "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds," 17: then he adds, "I will remember their sins and their misdeeds no more."

If he/we continue in the sin, then correction will be used. But I won't put him in a dark closet and tell him horror stories, and have demons supposedly 'correcting' him.

KayMarie

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#406865 Dec 4, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>It seems that there are two reasons why God judges nations.One is of course the Abortion issue.I cannot imagine what is in store for countries like China that has set in law not only abortion,but prohibits couples to have more than one baby,and in some cases only two.The horrible decision on the Chinese to kill female babies,or put them up for adoption is terrible.
The Chinese men are going to want to move in every direction out of China to find for themselves wives.
As for this country,we have had real truth preched fro our pulpits,and there has been great moves of God in this land.Now we for convenience sake are enforcing laws to protect the Abortion industry,if weather conditions are the first sort of judgment on this land,I will not wonder why?
Decadence is also so apparent here,we Americans are not satisfied at all to settle for wholesome entertainment,our talk shows and standup comedies,or late nite junk all speak of raukus dissent from what was once "A good sense of humor".These garbage replacements for good humor are the basis of a mindset that supports socialism and eventually Communism.Oh someday we might know what communism is really like,one thing many people so not know is that Communistic societies abhor free speech,frivolotry and free expression.
Our present administration is heading fast toward totalitarianism,it won't be long before maybe even Obama demanding what Morsi in Egypt wants.
Judgment comes first in the way of disasters and the like,than also political upheavals and despot regimes are a form of judgment as well on nations that have forsaken truth for debauchery.
Pad good friend

The problem with America is that it has been so dumbed down, its people are now stupid, and believe whatever the mass media tells them....

G.K. Chesterton

"Journalism is popular, but it is popular mainly as fiction. Life is one world, and life seen in the newspapers is another."

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#406866 Dec 4, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
To my knowledge...
There is no nation that exist today that speaks Latin...
Though Latin is not a Modern language...It is not the original language that the Bible was first given in.
The real meat of the Bible has been taken out in man of the the translation's of the Bible by many modern translators.
I use a 26 translation Bible...
05Dec12.....

.....Most posters on TOPIX Forums 'rely' on some form of information ...be it 'Bing','books','reference data', etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

The proper way to make a posting is to use ones 'OWN' brains. It makes for more interesting communication and allows others to Really & Truly determine if the poster is 'on par' or 'up to the mark' pertinent to the Topic at hand.

Unfortunately, most posters are schidt-for-brains and BobLoblah believes dat there's more brains in a bottle of water.

Ps:.....and den sum tooooooooooo.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#406867 Dec 4, 2012
who="Michael"
What vatican II did, was "LIBERALIZE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH".
It made the church progressive not conservative.
.... Nuns running around in soccer shorts.
.... Priests telling parishioners to use their own conscience when making decisions on birth control and divorce, and not feel guilty for eating meat on fridays........I remember it well.
Speak any lanuguage you want when saying mass. Latin if you know it!
Vatican II.......the gamechanger.

**********

As long as the CC used the Latin language, their people could imagine that they were hearing about the glorious CC. But when it was done in common language, the 'mystery' was all gone. They understood what was being said, and their dreams were shattered.

KayMarie
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#406868 Dec 4, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
To my knowledge...
There is no nation that exist today that speaks Latin...
Though Latin is not a Modern language...It is not the original language that the Bible was first given in.
The real meat of the Bible has been taken out in man of the the translation's of the Bible by many modern translators.
I use a 26 translation Bible...
You lambast the Latin language, and don't realize English was never even dreamed of. English, which did not exist until 1,000+ years after the bible was written, was not the original language of the bible either. Latin was the language of the entire civilized world at the same time the Greek and Aramaic gospels and epistles were being penned.
preston

Waverly, OH

#406869 Dec 4, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
To my knowledge...
There is no nation that exist today that speaks Latin...
Though Latin is not a Modern language...It is not the original language that the Bible was first given in.
The real meat of the Bible has been taken out in man of the the translation's of the Bible by many modern translators.
I use a 26 translation Bible...
it looks like the 26 translations are still not sufficient for you.

so your argument is moot, since ENGLISH was not the original langauge of the bible.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406870 Dec 4, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>05Dec12.....
.....LIAR....
You remember nuttin' because you have schidt-for-brains.
You were Never a Roman Catholic. In fact, you were Never a Christian. You are jest a envious and jealous tempest in a teaPot.
Ps:.....Pope John XXIII began Vatical II. With it came the changes to the performing of Holy Mass. The congregation liked it as now they had a 'face-to-face' contact with the Priest as he carred out the 'Changing of the Bread and Wine into the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Chris'......something you pagans don't have the FAITH to understand.
Begone 'shataan' BobLoblah is goin' to send our Father Merrin to visit you in your tiny room von of dese deys toooooooo.
Forever and Ever Love
BobLoblah
Your a chip off the old block aren't you.

I like your style, something nice to say about everyone.





preston

Waverly, OH

#406871 Dec 4, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
To my knowledge...
There is no nation that exist today that speaks Latin...
Though Latin is not a Modern language...It is not the original language that the Bible was first given in.
The real meat of the Bible has been taken out in man of the the translation's of the Bible by many modern translators.
I use a 26 translation Bible...
Italian derives from Latin. Unlike most other Romance languages, Italian retains Latin's contrast between short and long consonants. As in most Romance languages, stress is distinctive. In particular, among the Romance languages, Italian is the closest to Latin in terms of vocabulary
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#406872 Dec 4, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>you can forget it, gif has never heard of what we call the Romance Languages.
just as he couldnt address the post that reggie made about puragtory being a doctrine of your church, and he shouted at her that it wasnt in the Bible. after saying something to him , then he finally found out what she said in the first place.
in my high school, "college prep"meant that you had to take two foreign languages and our little school only taught Latin and Spanish, so it was not a "dead' language back in the late 50's and 60's.
I hate to beat on him constantly, but there is no way that he ever graduated from any Bible college, as his wife says that he DID ATTEND one.
when all he said was that he cleaned their classrooms.his ignorance continually amazes me, and probably you, among others too.
lol. "cleaning" means "attending".

I learned a little Latin in Catholic school, but it's amazing when you realize that so much of western language is derived from it. Look at science and mathematics, it's filled with it.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406873 Dec 4, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Michael"
What vatican II did, was "LIBERALIZE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH".
It made the church progressive not conservative.
.... Nuns running around in soccer shorts.
.... Priests telling parishioners to use their own conscience when making decisions on birth control and divorce, and not feel guilty for eating meat on fridays........I remember it well.
Speak any lanuguage you want when saying mass. Latin if you know it!
Vatican II.......the gamechanger.
**********
As long as the CC used the Latin language, their people could imagine that they were hearing about the glorious CC. But when it was done in common language, the 'mystery' was all gone. They understood what was being said, and their dreams were shattered.
KayMarie
KayMarie says....

...As long as the CC used the Latin language, their people could imagine that they were hearing about the glorious CC. But when it was done in common language, the 'mystery' was all gone. They understood what was being said, and their dreams were shattered.

Michael says...

..When mass was said in Latin we just fumbled along nodding our heads and smiling. When it started to be said in English, we all pretended we knew what the priest was saying all along.

Now this pope wants to turn the clock back 50 years, and return to the dark ages.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#406874 Dec 4, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
Latin dialects became the Spanish, Portugese, Italian and French lanuages. Two thirds of the English language can be traced back to Latin. It may not look exactly the same as when it started, but it's the foundation of every 'Romance' language spoken in the west. In the same manner, all of the competing protestant denominations are simply cheap imitations of the original Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church. You may think it's dead, but unfortunately at your age you'll be finding out sooner than most of us here. Good luck.

**********

Cheap imitation? Funny, it looks NOTHING like the CC. Counterfeits often are very difficult to distinguish from the original. Protestants make NO effort to copy the CC.

KM
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406875 Dec 4, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
They are calling you nasty names again.
What factual link did you post to get the mythical minds so stirred up?
Please re-post. Must be insightful :o)
Just being my usual good self that I am.

4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#406876 Dec 4, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
1 Cor. 3:10-15 - works are judged after death and tested by fire. Some works are lost, but the person is still saved. Paul is referring to the state of purgation called purgatory. The venial sins (bad works) that were committed are burned up after death, but the person is still brought to salvation. This state after death cannot be heaven (no one with venial sins is present) or hell (there is no forgiveness and salvation).
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/
WORKS are judged after death athe the BEMA SEAT, NOT SINS. Works are never refered to as sins in the scripture. Bad works are those tings christians do which have no eternal value, or things that are done with the wrong motives. Works do not equal sins. Paul is referring to a state of prugation called PURGATORY???? Who says so? There is no such reference anywhere. Just idle speculation. Paul is referring to the Bema Seat of Christ. We can never by suffering or by ANY OTHER means take away our sins. ONLY the sacrifice of a PERFECT SACRIFICE can ever do that. As for me, I will trust in the ONE who has already paid my debt 'in full'. You are trusting in Jesus for a 'partial payment' which really shows a lack of faith in HIM. So you tell me, WHICH SINS DID JESUS PAY FOR?
preston

Waverly, OH

#406877 Dec 4, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
lol. "cleaning" means "attending".
I learned a little Latin in Catholic school, but it's amazing when you realize that so much of western language is derived from it. Look at science and mathematics, it's filled with it.
and lets not forget that Latin plays a large part in the medical field. when gif gets a prescription to be filled, it will be in Latin

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#406878 Dec 4, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
You should repent. You're a proven liar and bearer of false witness, along with your wife. If you think God will overlook this because it's directed against the Catholic Church, well, I wish you two the very best of luck.

**********

No luck needed...or wanted, friend. I heard somewhere that 'luck' and lucifer come from the same root.

KM

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#406879 Dec 4, 2012
preston wrote:
. Ignatius constantly contends for the recognition of the authority of the ministers of the church. "Do nothing", he writes to the Magnesians, "without the bishop and the presbyters." The "three orders" are essential to the church, without them no church is worthy of the name (cf. Trall. 3). "It is not lawful apart from the bishop either to baptize or to hold a love-feast" (Smyrn. 8). Respect is due to the bishop as to God, to the presbyters as the council of God and the college of apostles, to the deacons as to Jesus Christ (Trall. 3). These terms must not, of course, be taken in their developed modern sense. The "bishop" of Ignatius seems to represent the modern pastor of a church.
if number 3 is correct, then we can place no credence in any form that Peter himself ordained ignatius, since that office is one that the chruch itself is involved in, by calling themselves a Pastor.
friends it cant be both ways, if the office of a bishop needed to have an Apostle lay hands on him, then it is more than a Pastorate,
if it is less, then peter was never involved, for what ever reason
preston

I can see that it "seems" like the bishop is like a pastor. But remember in Antioch, Peter(the Apostle) was the first bishop, then assigned Evidius....And Paul(the Apostle) established Ignatius as the 3rd bishop...(Galatians 2:11 puts Paul there.) So the first three are considered Apostolic Fathers of the Church, as they were alive during the time of the Apostles....After that, the Church became more centralised to the teachings of the Apostles, to keep the unity of the faith, otherwise it would have been torn apart. Thus Apostolic Succession took place to do both of these..

After the time of Jesus came the Apostles.

After the time of the Apostles came the "Apostolic Fathers" which merged into Early Church Fathers.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406880 Dec 4, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
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Of course the Vatican is laying low on this.
Except the great Catholic spokesman Donahue, who says pictures of naked little girls are normal.
The BIGGEST PROBLEM long-term for the RCC is simple -- Jesus would never appoint the perpetrator of the WORLD'S LARGEST CHILD ABUSE SCANDAL and COVER-UP as His representative.
Anyone can read the Bible and see that Jesus isn't such a creep.
But Catholics are now forced to rationalize this fact and it makes their heads spin. Here, we went from "an invention of the American media" to "yesterdays news" in an instant.
But THE #1 FACT remains -- Jesus did NOT facilitate the world's largest child sex abuse cover-up -- by appointing and guiding this unworthy church.
Thus, when Catholics call you names, they call Jesus names too.
Bill Donohue the one man band, catholic apologist, gets paid over $300,000 a year to yell at non catholics.

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