Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#406796 Dec 4, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote:
You are honest -- no mincing words.
This is because SOULS are at stake....
"Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul"?
You have a soul to save,(SPIRITUAL) as well as a life to live (PHYSICAL.)
Thank you for your concern.

However, shouldn't my spiritual life be between myself and God?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#406797 Dec 4, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>Reggie never said that it was.
you read about like LTM, what you think she says IS NOT WHAT SHE SAID.
~~~
I say it again...

JESUS DID NOT TEACH PURGATORY..

HE SAID...

Mar_16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Joh_3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and

-->he that believeth not the Son

shall not see life;

but the wrath of God abideth on him. <--
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406798 Dec 4, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I told you why. A hundred times...
People don't have time for the Catholic Church.
Things as pretty good the last 50 yrs in America and Europe. Folks have replaced God with other things. OR they simply designed their own god in 41,000 + protestant sects. Christianity buffet. You take a litter here, accept a litter there, and then you can feel comfortable outside the Church.
It will take a plague or famine (sadly) then the Church will boom in Europe and North America. Wanna bet?
People are so attached to this Earth right now, because for the first time in the history of the world, folks like you and I can enjoy things that previously, were only attainable by the elite. Nice cars, jewelry, lake homes and money. Culturally...promiscuity, recreational sex and pride have replaced religion.
Michael, THIS is why people are leaving God and the Catholic Church.
But do not underestimate the Holy Spirit. There will be Priest there will be Catholics. Always. God won't stop calling people because Michael enjoys his life to much and doesn't need God anymore.
Clay says.....

People don't have time for the Catholic Church.

Things as pretty good the last 50 yrs in America and Europe. Folks have replaced God with other things. OR they simply designed their own god in 41,000 + protestant sects. Christianity buffet. You take a litter here, accept a litter there, and then you can feel comfortable outside the Church.

Michael says....

.....It must be deeper than that Clay. People can have "other things" and still worship, but for some reason its not happening.

One example. Vatican II has become a DISASTER. Policies/rules/regulations were changed, making some catholics happy and others mad. Now this pope wants to reverse much of what was Vatican II, and has created splits within the followers and the clergy themselves.

Nuns claim they are following what they were allowed to do regarding rule changes in Vatican II. This pope screams NO!

Nearly 1,000 roman catholic priests in america in just 1 year have formed an association that advocates Vatican II, and this Pope screams NO!

Educated people today are not interested in any religious belief claiming "THEY ARE RIGHT AND EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG" when the very hirearchy of the church has broken many rules of conduct of the very teachings that they advocate themselves.

You might be happy in your little parish, but the big picture of your church isn't very clear at all today,
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406799 Dec 4, 2012


Roman catholic priests speak out!

December 4, 2012.

.....The New York Times reports that roughly half of the Kansas City diocese's priests have no confidence in Bishop Robert Finn. Sadly those sentiments, unless backed by action, won't change a thing.

....Kansas City priests must find courage and take action if ever their diocese is to become safer and healthier. Privately expressing disapproval of a criminal behavior won't get the job done.

....A decade ago, some 50+ Boston priests publicly rebuked Cardinal Bernard Law seeking his resignation. They won.

....The church is a feudal hierarchy. Bishops hold virtually all of the power. Priests, like lay people, are essentially serfs, so they are understandably reluctant to challenge bishops, even one who is a proven lawbreaker.(Bishops have clearly retaliated against brave whistleblowers, basically shunning them and transferring them to small, remote parishes for decades.)

....Still, sometimes conscience and decency demands that we put the safety and well-being of others - especially children – above our own selfish desires. Now is that time in Kansas City.

LAST PARAGRAPH......

......EXACTLY what I have been saying for nearly 4 years on this forum, and I have been criticized by catholic posters for speaking out.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#406800 Dec 4, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for your concern.
However, shouldn't my spiritual life be between myself and God?
Yes, it is, Free Mind....

But as Christians, we also should be concerned...

We are supposed to plant the seed, and who is to water???
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#406801 Dec 4, 2012
Bill Donahue -- Catholic apologist still thinks pictures of naked little girls is not child porn.

http://www.religionnews.com/blogs/mark-silk/d...

This is a disturbing story. Bill Donahue is a leading Catholic spokesman.

Why do Catholics believe that pictures of naked girls under the age of 12 are NOT child porn?

What does the "one true" claim say about Jesus?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#406802 Dec 4, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
The only thing that I deny are false-judgmental-heretical-con demning anti-catholic Protestant preachers like you, who conveniently, insert the word Catholic (anywhere in the bible, wherever it "fits" into your hositlity and hate towards Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church
If YOU knew ANYTHING about the vengeance of God, you would "get down on your knees" and repent of the condemning and judgmental hypocricy against (any and all) other Christians (especially Catholics)........ You have "proven" to everyone of this forum that (condemning the faith of other Christians) is the "entire basis of your ministry!! You seem to think that "quoting a bunch of bible verses" makes you a Christian. You--Confrinting --are in for a "rude awakening" on judgment day---(a day of reconing- for those who "purposely" divide, separate, disunite and fracture the body of Christ and the body of Believers.(I Cor 1:10-13). Furthermore YOU CONFRINTING are NOT the finalojudge nor the blueprint for my Salvation in Christ (OR ANYONE ELSES)--I know the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the word of God------I listen to it, believe it, adhere to it, absorb it, and follow it, every day at Daily Mass, at home and at the Adoration Chapel--before the blessed Sacrament......... Furthermore, I not only know Gods "true interpretation" of His word----I KNOW JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF(every single day) as personal Lord and Savior!!----It is HE who helps me to "stomach, endure and put up with" heretical bible only Protestant preachers like you---through acts of confession and repentance, in attempting to "deal with" your blatant lies regarding my own personal faith, my Catholic doctrinal faith and listening to your "on-going" distorted anti-catholic hate and animosity that has "CORRUPTED your mind, heart and soul...... God help this bondage of hate that you display toward us Catholics (as brothers and sisters in Christ) and toward His One True Catholic Church. Thank God for your wife KAYMARIE--again---she is the "breath of fresh air" ----the ONLY true Christian in your family!!
You wrote...

"If YOU knew ANYTHING about the vengeance of God, you would "get down on your knees" and repent of the condemning and judgmental hypocricy against (any and all) other Christians (especially Catholics)"......

~~~

WHY SHOULD I REPENT TO YOU,....

FOR GIVING YOU WHAT GOD HAS SAID

IN HIS...

WORD...

DID GOD NOT SAY HIMSELF?...

Isa_55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:

==>it shall not return unto me void,

but

it shall accomplish that which

I please,

and

it shall prosper in the thing

whereto I sent it.

___

I am not posting here to suit your fantasy..

IT IS YOU

THAT

IS ATTEMPTING

TO RUB GOD'S NOSE

IN WHAT HE HAS SPOKEN FORTH

AND

CALLING GOD

A LIAR...

I have only told you what God has said...IN HIS WORD
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#406803 Dec 4, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for your concern.
However, shouldn't my spiritual life be between myself and God?
Forgot to tell you...thank you for your kind reply....

James 1:21

21 Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted (image of seed) in you, which can save you.

The Word of God...
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#406804 Dec 4, 2012
Bill Donahue -- leading and oft-quoted Catholic spokesman -- says pictures of naked little girls are NOT child porn.

See this article for a GRAPHIC description of what Catholics say is not child porn -- disgusting!

http://www.religionnews.com/blogs/mark-silk/d...

"That's not just pornography, Bill, it's the kind of child abuse that is supposed to get a priest reported to the civil authorities."

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#406805 Dec 4, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
I say it again...
JESUS DID NOT TEACH PURGATORY..
HE SAID...
Mar_16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh_3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and
-->he that believeth not the Son
shall not see life;
but the wrath of God abideth on him. <--
~~~
you wrote Purgatory is still a doctrine of the Church. It's not an "invention " and hasn't been "gotten rid of". Purgatory IS NOT..NEVER WAS a doctrine of the BIBLE...

THE SEQUENCE OF MANS FATE... IS CLEARLY DEFINED IN GOD'S WORD..

it says Heb_9:27 And as

1.it is appointed unto men

2.once to die,

3. but after this

4. the judgment:

NOW Prove me wrong....

Take the Bible and prove me wrong...

IF YOU CAN?
dr fill

Des Plaines, IL

#406806 Dec 4, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
NOPE!!!
Lost = outside of Christ = still in sin
Saved = in Christ = sins are forgiven
I got news for ya kid.Please do your research.The entire old testiment was coppied from the ancient sumerian writings.they tweeked the stories a little for show.the jesus story is a sumerian savior typr story.so you are indeed a blind follower and in la la land pal.Look up the sumerian alien connection if you doubt me.
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#406807 Dec 4, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it is, Free Mind....
But as Christians, we also should be concerned...
We are supposed to plant the seed, and who is to water???
You just contradicted yourself in the same post.

I say again -- shouldn't my spiritual life be between myself and God?

PS -- I accept no belief system that makes God out as a bigot, full of petty human emotions, such as anger and vengeance.

That's a human weakness called projection.

I do not believe the highest power in the universe condemns and tortures the vast majority of its own creation -- based in large part on the culture in which they were born.

Hope that plants a seed for you.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406808 Dec 4, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
Bill Donahue -- Catholic apologist still thinks pictures of naked little girls is not child porn.
http://www.religionnews.com/blogs/mark-silk/d...
This is a disturbing story. Bill Donahue is a leading Catholic spokesman.
Why do Catholics believe that pictures of naked girls under the age of 12 are NOT child porn?
What does the "one true" claim say about Jesus?
Michael says...

...It's been three months since Finn's conviction, and (as the Times article reveals), there are even priests in his diocese willing to say publicly that he should be gone. But neither his fellow bishops nor the Vatican has uttered so much as a peep about the first American hierarch to be convicted of covering up a case of clerical sexual abuse.

Its that FEAR FACTOR.......that I have been hollering about that is within the catholic church followers.

Lay people will not speak out, priests are afraid to speak their minds to their bishops, and so on all the way up the chain of command.

When will all catholics stand up and speak their minds when things are terribly wrong within their church. Its obvious the church hirearchy has a stranglehold on its followers and uses the "GOD will punish you" card. if you speak out.

If catholics are really serious about ending wrong doings in their church they FIRST have to make it known that they are not acceptable. Until the day ever comes, scandal after scandal will fester, and every day more STRONG ONLY catholics will quietly walk away.

Clay

Chicago, IL

#406809 Dec 4, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
FREE MIND says....
.....For centuries, the RCC taught that there was no salvation outside the Church.
Then they changed and as usual.
MICHAEL says....
...When the church changed their minds, immediately! so did 1 BILLION catholics. So much for Free Will....
You do know that it was taught and establish BEFORE there was such thing as Protestants...right?
Clay

Chicago, IL

#406810 Dec 4, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
You are honest -- no mincing words.
For centuries, the RCC taught that there was no salvation outside the Church.
Then they changed and as usual, claimed that it was always taught thus.(Absurd but true.)
However, many offspring churches still teach about a bitter, small-minded god -- a god who judges people based on where they were born and the culture in which they were raised.
What a silly concept.
I believe Fr Dye explained the Churchs position accurately and fairly. You heard it, now you ignore it and move forward. Imagine that.

Hey, you should tell us that story again... How you JUST found out you were Baptized Catholic and never knew you were...catholic.

Then, oddly, you came on here later and concocted a story about your parents bringing you to Church every Sunday- raising you in the faith, but when you wanted to bring a friend, they said no cuz he was Protestant!
Which is it, you were only baptized and never knew you were Catholic? Or your parents raised you in the faith?
Buhahaha..

The web we weave when we start to deceive.

Your a joke.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#406811 Dec 4, 2012
Bob Hoekstra The Holy Spirit and the Grace of God

In Zerubbabel’s day, the task of rebuilding God’s temple seemed to be like a great mountain because of the hostile and alien environment. Yet this was not God’s intention. The word of the Lord to Zerubbabel was that this mountain would become a plain. It would become a flat place to march across when God was through with His task. And then ultimately, Zerubbabel would bring out the capstone—the last stone for the temple. With that final piece set in place, the only proper response that explained the whole work of God building the temple was,“Grace, grace to it!”

The same may be said in regards to our lives. We must be built by the work of the Holy Spirit. When that last piece is put in place in our lives and in the life of the church before she is raptured, what can be said about that process?“Grace, grace to it!” As John says in his Gospel (1:16), it is “grace upon grace,” which we have already looked at. That is the way that God works in our lives. He works by grace.“Of His fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.”

The New Testament also links the grace of God with the work of the Spirit of God:

Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.”(Luk 22:20)

This is seen in the Lord’s Supper. The cup speaks of the blood of Jesus Christ. It also speaks of the new covenant, that is, the new arrangement for walking with God. This is the new covenant of grace! The old covenant was the Law of Moses. Ephesians makes it clear that the shed blood of Christ was a work of the grace of God:

In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace (Eph 1:7)

When the Christ shed His blood for us, He was actually purchasing for us the new covenant—a new arrangement between God and us. It is here that we are told when He was shedding His blood for the forgiveness of sins; it was according to the riches of God’s grace. This new covenant is a covenant of grace. It is what we have been looking at in these studies together.

This theme of the new covenant is also addressed in 2 Corinthians 3:5, 6. It is here that we can see the necessary involvement of the Holy Spirit in this new covenant of grace.

5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, 6who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.(2Cr 3:5-6)
Clay

Chicago, IL

#406812 Dec 4, 2012
Michael wrote:
Roman catholic priests speak out!
December 4, 2012.
.....The New York Times reports that roughly half of the Kansas City diocese's priests have no confidence in Bishop Robert Finn. Sadly those sentiments, unless backed by action, won't change a thing.
....Kansas City priests must find courage and take action if ever their diocese is to become safer and healthier. Privately expressing disapproval of a criminal behavior won't get the job done.
....A decade ago, some 50+ Boston priests publicly rebuked Cardinal Bernard Law seeking his resignation. They won.
....The church is a feudal hierarchy. Bishops hold virtually all of the power. Priests, like lay people, are essentially serfs, so they are understandably reluctant to challenge bishops, even one who is a proven lawbreaker.(Bishops have clearly retaliated against brave whistleblowers, basically shunning them and transferring them to small, remote parishes for decades.)
....Still, sometimes conscience and decency demands that we put the safety and well-being of others - especially children – above our own selfish desires. Now is that time in Kansas City.
LAST PARAGRAPH......
......EXACTLY what I have been saying for nearly 4 years on this forum, and I have been criticized by catholic posters for speaking out.
Yawn.
Compared to other times in the Churchs 2,000 yr history, this is nothing.
You just discovered the internet, so you think its news.
Hey, why do you even care? Are you that insecure about your choice to leave Catholicism? Or ya just a plain old sociopath??
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#406813 Dec 4, 2012
cont
Bob Hoekstra The Holy Spirit and the Grace of God

Those who are in Christ through faith are servants of the new covenant. We addressed this in our second study,“The Grace of God.” We cannot build a life with God through our best efforts to live up to the law of God. We begin and maintain a relationship with Him through the His grace. That is echoed here in these words. It is not on our own sufficiency that we can come before God. We cannot serve God by our own sufficiency. We are simply insufficient to live up to his standards because they are perfect. In fact, we are not sufficient of ourselves as verse 5 declares,“to think of anything as being from ourselves.”

This is reminiscent of John 15:5 where Jesus said,“Apart from Me you can do nothing.” It seems as though we and as well as the unsaved are able to do so much. This is true, yet it amounts to nothing. People are able to do great works of art, make discoveries, explore, travel, theorize and impress one another, however, none of that can save a soul, transform a life, prepare anyone for glory, or let them be used now for the glory of God. The things done apart from Christ amount to nothing.“Apart from Me you can do nothing.” There are so many busy things, but they always amount to nothing outside of Christ.

Paul’s words,“Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as coming from ourselves”—are words of humility. We have already discussed humility and faith because they are both at the heart of living by the grace of God. The humility is that our sufficiency is not enough. The faith is based on our sufficiency being from God. Ultimately, we do not have what it takes, but fortunately, He does! What we have to do is humbly confess our insufficiency, and—by faith—trust in His sufficiency. That is how we are sufficient servants under the new covenant. It is not of the letter as there are no rules to obey, because it is the Spirit—a very person of the Godhead—who works in us.

Let us not underestimate the statement,“The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.” For this is an issue of life and death. This point is not merely an interesting piece of doctrine. It is a matter of life and death. Living by the letter will kill us, because our best efforts fall short of the law that needs to be kept. The letter says that we do not measure up. We are incompetent in satisfying the law. Thankfully the Holy Spirit gives life. The Spirit supplies the life that we need and so we are changed.

The new covenant is lived out daily in humble dependence on the Holy Spirit. The Spirit supplies the sufficiency of the grace of God in our lives.

Again, the Holy Spirit and the grace of God correlate quite well. Where the Sprit is involved, the grace of God is found and vice versa. When we need grace, it is through the Holy Spirit. When we want the Holy Spirit to work, He works in delivering the grace of God.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#406814 Dec 4, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
HOJO says.....
..If YOU knew ANYTHING about the "VENGEANCE" of God, you would "get down on your knees" and repent of the condemning and judgmental hypocricy.
MICHAEL says....
.... I was thought, God was an all loving God.
"No wonder" you left the Catholic Church! ANYONE knows that God is both a God of love and mercy as well as a God of justice and judgement ---as stated in Romans 10:14 where "each one of us will, eventually stand before the judgment seat of God to answer and give an account of our lives to HIM!!----You, Michael, must have been one of those Catholics that either "was asleep both in Confirmation AND in Mass---or ---did you just "not bother" to show up!!...... Now it explains why you "keep spreading" your liberal anti-catholic "distorted statistics, percentages and "hogwash" on this forum!!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#406815 Dec 4, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You do know that it was taught and establish BEFORE there was such thing as Protestants...right?
~~~

PLEASE VALIDATE YOU ABOVE STATEMENT FROM GOD'S WORD...

IF YOU CAN'T THEN YOU ARE JUST BLOWING SMOKE...

QUESTION ..

WHY DO YOU ATTEMPT TO ESTABLISH SOMETHING AS TRUTH,

THAT HAS NO VALIDATION OR CREDIBILITY IN THE OLD ARE NEW TESTAMENT?

SOMETHING THAT IS ONLY A PERSONAL OPINION?

like much that is taught by THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

you can't prove BY any means THAT IT EVER exist...

GOD ONLY UNDERWRITES..THAT WHICH HE HAS SPOKEN FORTH AND SENT...

THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST

DOES NOT

SANCTIFY,..

VERIFY,...

CONSECRATE,... OR

VALIDATE,...

WHAT GOD HAS NOT SPOKEN FORTH.

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