Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Clay

Chicago, IL

#406712 Dec 3, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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A "new age" in thinking clearly.
- I'd like to speculate that it will be a downfall of religions, but I am too late, as that is already coming to fruition.
<quoted text>
Because of of the "God-inspired" men who wrote them.
Why not? Your ilk gets to claim certain men (less than six of the original Apostles" were inspired, because thier books were chosen for the canon.
I give creedance to the other 7 Apostles also, unlike you do.
<quoted text>
Try it this way, read the non-canonical, and then the canon. They are all connected in many ways.
Unfortunately, the words of the canon have been changed or like the Pastorals, concocted to disenvow the non-canon.
Men.....can't find not a single infallible one to justify the canon. Darn!
<quoted text>
Please list these "many scholars".
BTW - many scholars agree that "Paul" letters were forgeries as well - namely the Pastorals.
But you can't have that, huh?
Looks like you just walked into a conundrum.
Well, what makes YOU think Thomas and Jude were written by Thomas and Jude?
I think Matthew and Mark are legit, because the Church that Christ began validates it.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#406713 Dec 3, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>He most certainly hated Essau now didn't he.
Hated is not correct in the sense you believe......

Look up....anthropopathism......stu dy this word...

One is "LOVED LESS" or "LOVE LESS"....
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406714 Dec 3, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Soon, you'll be seeing "priests" moving from the Vatican to the locales that need them. You may even see a bishop or cardinal take on the roles.
It's all part of the greater plan from "God".
You do believe "God" is just enough to close these churches in order for "His" religion to continue, right?
:o)
Catholic church has a great opportunity.

How many catholic homeless men are there living in refridgerator cardboard boxes in alley ways, just down the street from $3 million churches? Lots!

Take these homeless men, clean them up, run them through a crash theology course and make them priests.

The catholic church will be solving many social problems. Taking homeless men off the street, giving them employment, making it possible to drink wine while on duty, and boosting the number of priests that are needed.

WIN WIN WIN!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406715 Dec 3, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, what makes YOU think Thomas and Jude were written by Thomas and Jude?
Good questions.

It's the tone in Jesus' teachings - positive and forthright.
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>I think Matthew and Mark are legit, because the Church that Christ began validates it.
GoMatt, like GoLuke, seems to be a re-write of Mark (and another source, "Q")

Many scholars agree.

"James Robinson once hinted that the all important clues to Q's existence might show up early in the document. I think Robinson was right. The remarkably high degree of verbatim agreement that shows up right at the beginning of Q is an important clue to the identity of the material as a whole. Here, as often elsewhere in Matthew and Luke, the agreement points to direct borrowing by Luke from Matthew, and not mediation via an unknown, hypothetical source."

http://ntweblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/mark-q-o...

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406716 Dec 3, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Eh, couple of questions.. What sorta New Age is coming? I assume you believe something will happen on December 21?
And why do you think the Gospel of Thomas and Judas are legit? They don't seem at all like the Christ of Matthew and Mark...
Many scholars agree those gospels (Thomas and Judas) were written by impostors.
I responded, but I wanted to tell you, that you are also off-topic.

Remember, this forum isn't about me.

Why do you think the RCC is the true church?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406717 Dec 3, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Catholic church has a great opportunity.
How many catholic homeless men are there living in refridgerator cardboard boxes in alley ways, just down the street from $3 million churches? Lots!
Take these homeless men, clean them up, run them through a crash theology course and make them priests.
The catholic church will be solving many social problems. Taking homeless men off the street, giving them employment, making it possible to drink wine while on duty, and boosting the number of priests that are needed.
WIN WIN WIN!
Brilliance at its best!
- creating jobs
- helping to eliminate homelessness
- understanding people's needs

Who can ask for more when you have it all there!?

Wonderful suggestion.

Pope Benedict, are you listening?
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#406718 Dec 3, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Hated is not correct in the sense you believe......
Look up....anthropopathism......stu dy this word...
One is "LOVED LESS" or "LOVE LESS"....
You must of not kept reading the continued reply.........lol
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406719 Dec 3, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Michael
You first write, you think for yourself..."Wrong again Robert. I never claimed I live by populism. Remember I, like so many on this forum, are former catholics.""" "" I am independant and belong to no group."""" ""
Next you write, "During the past few years the catholic church has been in the """"news """", several times for bad news stories. Many of them right in america. """"" I follow them"""" " and wonder how so many things could go wrong"
Then you go on and on, and on and on....about news articles, and your finale is ..."watch the 6:00 oclock news tonight...)"
You ARE brainwashed!
Think about what G.K. Chesterton wrote and apply it to television as well
"Journalism is popular, but it is popular mainly as fiction. Life is one world, and life seen in the newspapers is another."
You follow the popular culture. You are one amongst the many that are brainwashed....And you chose it....
:)
Robert says....

..brainwashed!

Michael says....

..(lol)Brainwashed!.. No my good friend Robert, that is what people say about religious people. You just had it backwards.

Its obvious people of faith can't stand being questioned. It all stems from growing up in the church. I remember I was there back in the day. They teach that. Religion class, never ask questions, wait until math or spelling and ask all the questions you like.........about math or spelling.









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LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#406720 Dec 3, 2012
This seems to be the theme for today, no matter what I read,
I believe God is trying to tell me something.

Not by Might nor by Power”
December 3, 2012
My speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power ...—1 Corinthians 2:4

If in preaching the gospel you substitute your knowledge of the way of salvation for confidence in the power of the gospel, you hinder people from getting to reality. Take care to see while you proclaim your knowledge of the way of salvation, that you yourself are rooted and grounded by faith in God. Never rely on the clearness of your presentation, but as you give your explanation make sure that you are relying on the Holy Spirit. Rely on the certainty of God’s redemptive power, and He will create His own life in people.

Once you are rooted in reality, nothing can shake you. If your faith is in experiences, anything that happens is likely to upset that faith. But nothing can ever change God or the reality of redemption. Base your faith on that, and you are as eternally secure as God Himself. Once you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, you will never be moved again. That is the meaning of sanctification. God disapproves of our human efforts to cling to the concept that sanctification is merely an experience, while forgetting that even our sanctification must also be sanctified (see John 17:19). I must deliberately give my sanctified life to God for His service, so that He can use me as His hands and His feet.

Wisdom from Oswald Chambers
We can understand the attributes of God in other ways, but we can only understand the Father’s heart in the Cross of Christ. The Highest Good—Thy Great Redemption,
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406721 Dec 3, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Brilliance at its best!
- creating jobs
- helping to eliminate homelessness
- understanding people's needs
Who can ask for more when you have it all there!?
Wonderful suggestion.
Pope Benedict, are you listening?
The pope will read the plan, say to himself its a good plan, put the plan into operation, he will tell everyone it was his idea, and catholics around the world will rejoice and will also say what a great idea!

If I suggested this plan to catholics, I would get plenty of NEGATIVE SOUR FACED JUDGEES.

I just can't win!



“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406722 Dec 3, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
The pope will read the plan, say to himself its a good plan, put the plan into operation, he will tell everyone it was his idea, and catholics around the world will rejoice and will also say what a great idea!
If I suggested this plan to catholics, I would get plenty of NEGATIVE SOUR FACED JUDGEES.
I just can't win!
It is a good plan. I if it ever did come to pass, you will be right at the top of ownership in my book!

Best regards!

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#406723 Dec 3, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen!!!
A great wife IS a BLESSING from God...
Praying that our Lord will restore your health, Herme....
Blessings!
Thanks Truth.Praise Christ!!!
ReginaM

Lakewood, NJ

#406724 Dec 3, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
My dear sock puppet, thank you for the worthless links. It shows that people, in order to control others, can make anything out of nothing!
Hello, BS. I see Fun Facts answered your post to me. I meant to reply last night but was tired and went to bed early. Btw, I don't think he's a sock puppet. I would also link to the Catechism which does a nice job of explaining as well, but have a feeling your response would be the same.

As to the rest of your questions, from what I can remember of them...yes, the Mass used to be in Latin. There are still Masses celebrated entirely in Latin, and some parishes use a mix of the vernacular and Latin, especially during certain liturgical seasons, although the Kyrie is in Greek and "Amen" is actually Aramaic. Yes, I do understand it, although I'm a bit rusty on some parts these days.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#406725 Dec 3, 2012
who="7th Day Catholics Rock" He most certainly hated Essau now didn't he.

**********

We have to study the language of the Bible to understand. English can't always express the exact meaning. When Jesus mentioned 'hating' one's family for His sake, the word 'hate' meant to 'love less'.

KayMarie
Clay

United States

#406726 Dec 3, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I responded, but I wanted to tell you, that you are also off-topic.
Remember, this forum isn't about me.
Why do you think the RCC is the true church?
Well you're on this forum.. And you're making your case on 'new age' ism.

Nevermind the title of the this thread, its an open forum now.
But
Why do I think the "RCC is the true Church"?

I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. God Himself made manifest. I believe He set up an actual Church. Not a body of various believers with no set doctrine...but an actual Church with one faith.
Therefore, whatever Church was there from the beginning, would have to be divinely guided. Because Jesus is divine. All other scenarios do not make since when considering who Christ was/is.

Now there are other reasons why I believe the Catholic Church to be who they say they are.
The Eucharist - which I have the privilege of partaking in is one.
The history of the Church and how its withstood circumstances that normally would have toppled any other institution is another.
If Christ, being who He is, started an actual Church, then I wanna be a part of it. No one can argue that theirs rightfully should be called 'His Church' except the Catholic Church.(Orthodox have a great argument too, but we are much the same and its another story) all others came along way too late in Christianity to claim to be valid.
He didn't establish a secret hidden church.

Why is New Age considered the correct deposit of faith.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#406727 Dec 3, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
Let me try to help you with your ignorance.
<quoted text>
For the most part, Atheists to not deny that there is a god or gods. Atheists see no proof of a god or gods. Faith is a belief without proof and Atheists do not suffer from such nonsense.
<quoted text>
As do all believes. You know how many nasty, unjust laws your god came up with? A rape victim must marry her rapist! A father must kill his daughter, if she is not a virgin on her wedding night! None of you follow those laws, even though jesus himself demanded that you do!
<quoted text>
Do you remember the sabbath and keep it holy? No. You do not follow this very basic commandment. Most christians 'worship' on Sunday, the 1st day of the week. Many christians work on Saturday, whether it is cooking, cleaning, or going to a job.
You only follow what you like and damn others for not doing so. Which in its self is against your god.
Notice the log in your own eye before the spec in another's...
~~~

So you are on this forum to discuss the four corners of the round table

RIGHT...

To talk about something that you know nothing about

and claim you don't believe in.

I to you ..GOD DOES NOT EXIST...WHO ARE YOU SHADOW BOXING WITH???
preston

Waverly, OH

#406728 Dec 3, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
preston
Ignatius of Antioch
Born: c. 35 AD(maybe as late as 50)
Died: c. 110 AD(during the reign of Trajan)-117 AD
The RCC does not believe in the myth that Ignatius was one of the children touched by Jesus....Rather, that he rather late in his life had a conversion....
A rather fair and balanced approach to him is in this article
http://www.nndb.com/people/718/000094436/
I think the main point is the genuineness of the Vossian Epistles, which everyone thinks are true(the 7 Epistles), supported by Polycarp and Eusebius....It is in Section V
In the same article, the last paragraph is particularly important....(although the whole article is interesting....)
yes, I admit that teh article was vey intersting and i picked up on several itesm that were of great inteest to me, how about You?

first;The only shred of extra information which he gives us is the statement that Ignatius "was the second successor of Peter in the bishopric of Antioch."

when you google his name, it shows that he was teh third Bishop of Antioch, di you see that?

also something is strange with this from that article. and please comment or anyone else.

The Latin form, of which there are thirteen extant manuscripts, omits the letter of Mary of Cassobola, but adds to the list the Laus Heronis, two Epistles to the apostle John,{one to the Virgin Mary and one from Mary to Ignatius}.

now, and please correct me if I am wrong. it was believed that Mary dies in 54 AD, and I was under the impression that these Epistles wer written while he was imprisoned and on his way to rome, which would place that time around 50 years after Mary was deceased.

In 54 AD, Mary the mother of Jesus died and was buried, and so John fulfilled his duty of caring for her until the very end. It was said that when they opened the tomb her body was gone. Catholic tradition says she rose from the dead and ascended into Heaven with both body and soul intact in what is called the Assumption of Mary,[21] however others say her body was taken away lest it become an idol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Apostle

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#406729 Dec 3, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello, BS. I see Fun Facts answered your post to me. I meant to reply last night but was tired and went to bed early. Btw, I don't think he's a sock puppet. I would also link to the Catechism which does a nice job of explaining as well, but have a feeling your response would be the same.
As to the rest of your questions, from what I can remember of them...yes, the Mass used to be in Latin. There are still Masses celebrated entirely in Latin, and some parishes use a mix of the vernacular and Latin, especially during certain liturgical seasons, although the Kyrie is in Greek and "Amen" is actually Aramaic. Yes, I do understand it, although I'm a bit rusty on some parts these days.
First, I believe he/she is a sock.

Second, yes my answer would be the same. Every group takes a verse or two, or even a part of a verse and created their own little version of belief. And they all believe that god guided them to their beliefs.

Third, mass changes to appease the money. The younger generation does not like Latin, so the stop going to mass. They didn't agree with the invention purgatory, so the leadership got rid of it.

Just like Walmart, the church will do what it needs to keep the money coming in.
preston

Waverly, OH

#406730 Dec 3, 2012
LTM wrote:
This seems to be the theme for today, no matter what I read,
I believe God is trying to tell me something.
yeah, but are you gonna do it?

the first thing that God impresses on sinners like you is to Repent and sin no more.

no matter what you and your other fellers on this forum think,you aint right with God, and lying is still a sin

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#406731 Dec 3, 2012
who="root66" When i read stories like this i thank god i am Atheist

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:):):) Did you get THAT ONE?:)

KM

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