Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 20 comments on the Jul 10, 2007, CBC News story titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#406678 Dec 3, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
My dear sock puppet, thank you for the worthless links. It shows that people, in order to control others, can make anything out of nothing!
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406679 Dec 3, 2012
CLAY:

Again, here is what the news article stated, and this is what I posted.

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......St. Paul, Minn.— The Archdiocese of St. Paul Minneapolis announced plans Saturday to close 21 Catholic churches in the Twin Cities metro area, with several dozen more to share priests, some staff and services.

The changes are needed to help the archdiocese, which serves about 800,000 Catholics across 12 counties, deal with FEWER Catholic priests, SHRINKING CHURCH ATTENDANCE and the aging of those Catholics that remain, and geographical shifts of churchgoing populations, church officials said.

Fewer priests as I stated.

Shrinking church attendance as I stated.

As we know across america according to the ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS CONFERENCE in Florida in 2010, only 1 out of ever 4 catholics today attend sunday service, and that the report also indicated that 10% of american adults today are former catholics.

News worthy stories. I post them.

Who doesn't want to know whats going on?
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406680 Dec 3, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
My dear sock puppet, thank you for the worthless links. It shows that people, in order to control others, can make anything out of nothing!
TheBlackSheep.....



No one in the ENTIRE MEDITERANEAN past and present, outside of a handful of agenda driven christian ONLY writers ever mentions a miracle man named Jesus. I wonder why???
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406681 Dec 3, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I get upset because all you post is propaganda and gossip. You try in vain, to blow up news stories and keep topics like, child sexual abuse, on the front page.
Yes, I think you are a sociopath.
You attempted to deceptively tell the world that Catholic churches in MN are closing due to attendance- which you imply had to do with dissatisfaction of Catholicism. Your a cheat and a con artist.
You post a story about a Catholic Priest who's publicly speaking out against the Church, to imply there is widespread chaos in the Church.
You expect me to be happy about that?
Are you that insecure about your choice to leave the Catholic faith? Yup. If you were content with just being a former Catholic, you wouldn't bother trying to bring everyone else down to your level.
CLAY says......

....I get upset!

MICHAEL says....

...I never get upset!

You get upset because you have allowed authoritarian religious leaders to dominate your free will. They effectively turn human beings into sheep. The one at the back follows the one at the front. You all do the very same thing. Religions are the most powerful instruments of social conditioning.

Organized religions operate by eroding your own trust in your own intellect, convincing you to put all your trust into some external entity.

That is why you get frustrated and upset. YOu have lost your own personal control, you do what others tell you to do, and when to do it, and you oblige.

If you are OK with that, then carry on. But no one should ever upset, you because they disagree with you.

We all have choices, some people give up their choices and let others choose for them. Not me, I was there once.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#406682 Dec 3, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah thank you.
Because that is what all non Catholics on this board quietly believe but will never say.
'translating the bible is easier today because knowledge has increased'
Basically, what you're saying is:
1. Men like Ignatius and Justin, who sat along side Peter and John, were not smart enough to comprehend the teachings. So that's why they misunderstood the Apostles and thought the Eucharist was to be the actual body and blood.
2. Christ was REALLY waiting for the likes of you guys to be born so you can figure out His true teachings by picking apart Revelation etc.
3. This is why its laughable that many of you call the Catholic Church arrogant.
Eusebius tells us that Peter and Paul, who planted the faith in Antioch, left directions that Ignatius should succeed Evodius as Bishop. We also learn Ignatious held that office for 40 years.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#406683 Dec 3, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
HOJO says......The Catholic Directory is as "out of date"
Michael says.....2012 is out of date?? It isn't current enough for you?(lol)!
Your a joke HOJO I like your sense of humor. Now get serious and look at these stats for 2012....
http://cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServices/reque...
I have told you before that Georgetown U. is one of the most liberal Catholic Universities in the U.S. and CARAServices have been "in bed" sleeping with them for years. You keep "pushing" your (junk exaggerated statistics) that are as phony as a Bill Clinton 3 dollar bill, with every breath you take!! The fact is Michael, you have been "found out" by every Catholic on this forum (Clay, Anthony, Regina and on and on) to be a "National Inquire" kind of anti-catholic buffoon, where you will "say and do" ANYTHING in order to keep your vengence and hatred (heated up) against Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church. As I have told you before---there is "NOT ONE CATHOLIC" who believes ANYTHING you say. Go play your anti-catholic % word":games" with your "bible only " heretical preachers and ministers who are as in need of as much "psychological help" as you are, when it comes to spreading lies, distortion and hostility against the Historical, biblical, spiritual and doctrinal TRUTHS that the Catholic Church has taught and adhered to for over 2000 years. Heretics like you, Confrinting and the rest of you anti-catholics have come and gone for over 2000 years--YET--the Church lives on and will CONTINUE TO LIVE ON!!--DESPITE people like you!!! Get help Michael!! Psychological 1st.---deliverance 2nd----and confession 3rd
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#406684 Dec 3, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you remember we talked about all the catholic churches in Minnesota that were shuttered the last few years due to LOW MASS ATTENDANCE and HIGH MAINTENACE costs. Remember?
I bring the truth, the truth you deny.
I know ALL ABOUT the Catholic Churches, the Seminaries, the convents, the Catholic Schools and the Diocese here in MPLS-ST.PAUL.
My Brother-in-law is a Bishop and these "few (very few) Churches were not closed due to Low Mass Attendance but for "location-re-structuring and budgeting costs"! The fact is Michael that you are a "fraudulent agnostic (or is it atheist) who has "an axe to grind" with the Catholic Church and will SAY or DO ANYTHING using this distorted and perverted idea of Low Mass Attendance. Finally--I don't deny the truth but I do deny the lies, distortions and your exaggerated comments that you are "so famous for"!!!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#406685 Dec 3, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
TheBlackSheep.....
No one in the ENTIRE MEDITERANEAN past and present, outside of a handful of agenda driven christian ONLY writers ever mentions a miracle man named Jesus. I wonder why???
Very simple! god wanted the world to believe without knowing or seeing!

If you are brave enough to throw off your logic, your intellect, and your knowledge, you too could be a believer!

You too can start your own denomination! Just pick a verse, or even a part of a verse, claim that god told you that it was the most important part of the bible! Soon, you will have idiots beating down your door to be part of the 'truth'!

If hal lindsey, joseph smith, and paul could start their own, highly successful religions, why can't you?

Playing with deadly snakes has already been taken.:(
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#406686 Dec 3, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>He most certainly hated Essau now didn't he.
Rom 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.(KJV)

Malachi 1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.(KJV)

Looking at this in context, we can clearly see that God is not speaking of the eternal destiny of Esau and Jacob, but rather the deeds of their descendants. We must remember the context of Paul's remarks. He is making the case (rather well I might add) that no one can make a claim to election on the basis of ancestry. Jacob and Esau are representative of the Israelites and the Edomites. In Genesis chapter 25 we read that God identifies these men as two nations.

Genesis Gen 25:23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
rodney danderfield

Des Plaines, IL

#406687 Dec 3, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>only one person got my humor.
not you two who marked my reply as clueless, you two are the clueless.
look closer at two words "miminum wages". they didnt have that 2000 years ago.even a nitwit should have recognized it was meant to be a joke.
not only that, it would have been difficult to translate the bible from greek and hebrew into latin.
some of you people got no sense of humor nor any intelligence to recognize it.
UUMMM,Preston son,If ya got to explain the joke its over kid.Its all about timing son. Like you,When you were a kid you were so ugly you didnt have any friends so your mother tied a pork chop around your neck so the dog would play with ya!!! ZOOOM!!! Ya see kid!!! Timing!!!!
Clay

United States

#406688 Dec 3, 2012
Michael wrote:
CLAY:
Again, here is what the news article stated, and this is what I posted.
----------
......St. Paul, Minn.— The Archdiocese of St. Paul Minneapolis announced plans Saturday to close 21 Catholic churches in the Twin Cities metro area, with several dozen more to share priests, some staff and services.
The changes are needed to help the archdiocese, which serves about 800,000 Catholics across 12 counties, deal with FEWER Catholic priests, SHRINKING CHURCH ATTENDANCE and the aging of those Catholics that remain, and geographical shifts of churchgoing populations, church officials said.
Fewer priests as I stated.
Shrinking church attendance as I stated.
As we know across america according to the ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS CONFERENCE in Florida in 2010, only 1 out of ever 4 catholics today attend sunday service, and that the report also indicated that 10% of american adults today are former catholics.
News worthy stories. I post them.
Who doesn't want to know whats going on?
Shortage of Priests! Sound the alarm! We Catholics had no idea. Lol

Most ex Catholics are secure about their choice... You evidently are not.

Btw, most of us in the Church agree, we need to become smaller because of too many cradle Catholics attempting to entwine modern culture into the faith. Ie gay marriage and other liberal ideology.. Sorry mike, ain't gonna happen.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406689 Dec 3, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I have told you before that Georgetown U. is one of the most liberal Catholic Universities in the U.S. and CARAServices have been "in bed" sleeping with them for years. You keep "pushing" your (junk exaggerated statistics) that are as phony as a Bill Clinton 3 dollar bill, with every breath you take!! The fact is Michael, you have been "found out" by every Catholic on this forum (Clay, Anthony, Regina and on and on) to be a "National Inquire" kind of anti-catholic buffoon, where you will "say and do" ANYTHING in order to keep your vengence and hatred (heated up) against Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church. As I have told you before---there is "NOT ONE CATHOLIC" who believes ANYTHING you say. Go play your anti-catholic % word":games" with your "bible only " heretical preachers and ministers who are as in need of as much "psychological help" as you are, when it comes to spreading lies, distortion and hostility against the Historical, biblical, spiritual and doctrinal TRUTHS that the Catholic Church has taught and adhered to for over 2000 years. Heretics like you, Confrinting and the rest of you anti-catholics have come and gone for over 2000 years--YET--the Church lives on and will CONTINUE TO LIVE ON!!--DESPITE people like you!!! Get help Michael!! Psychological 1st.---deliverance 2nd----and confession 3rd
HOJO says.....

......I have told you before that Georgetown U. is one of the most liberal Catholic Universities in the U.S. and CARAServices have been "in bed" sleeping with them for years.

MICHAEL says....

CARA says.....

CARA has more than 40 years of experience in quality social science research on the Catholic Church. We offer a range of research and consulting services for dioceses, parishes, religious communities and institutes, and other Catholic organizations. CARA’s longstanding policy is to let research findings stand on their own and never take an advocacy position or go into areas outside its social science competence. All CARA researchers have advanced degrees in relevant academic disciplines as well as pastoral experience. CARA researchers are active in the academic community publishing and presenting research about the Catholic Church.

They do RESEARCH and CONSULTING services for dioceses, parishes, and other Catholic organizations for over 40 years.

Sounds legit to me!

You don't like CARA because you claim its liberal, and their numbers don't reflect what you want them to be. You don't like the national catholic reporter because its liberal. You don't like the 47,000 nuns in america because they are too liberal. You don't like the president of the United STates because he is liberal......

What are you doing in AMERICA! lol!

What you are saying is that all these numbers are lies and completely the opposite of what they report?

Show me your numbers, or stop with your BS excuses!

UNBELIEVABLE!
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406690 Dec 3, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Shortage of Priests! Sound the alarm! We Catholics had no idea. Lol
Most ex Catholics are secure about their choice... You evidently are not.
Btw, most of us in the Church agree, we need to become smaller because of too many cradle Catholics attempting to entwine modern culture into the faith. Ie gay marriage and other liberal ideology.. Sorry mike, ain't gonna happen.
If there is a shortage of priests as we all know, why is their a shortage of priests? You never explain or discuss.

Recent studies show that if priests were not imported from foreign countries more churches in america would be doing without a resident priest. Thats alarming.

Why would the MOST religious men in the catholic church not want to take the step up as the MOST religious catholic men did in the past? Why are women not entering the sisterhood as they did in the past.

When the most religious people in the church are not interested in advancing as they once did, isn't that a danger sign?

Something is wrong! What is it CLAY? What is your answer?
Clay

United States

#406691 Dec 3, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Robert says.......your problem is that you want everyone to think the way you do. It just isn't going to happen.
Michael says.....Isn't that the agenda of the catholic church? Go out and teach the world to believe just like YOU, that you are right and everyone else is wrong?
There are thousands of christian denominations and sects, ALL using the same "inspired words of God" to prove each of their own conflicting doctrines. lol!
Wrong again Robert. I never claimed I live by populism. Remember I, like so many on this forum, are former catholics. I am independant and belong to no group.
During the past few years the catholic church has been in the news, several times for bad news stories. Many of them right in america. I follow them and wonder how so many things could go wrong.
Worldwide sex abuse scandals that we now know have gone on since the inception of the church, and have occured in almost every diocese in america. Court cases going on as I post. Thats not good! Are catholics more concerned in preserving the sanctity of the church over our children? That is exactly what church authorities did, until they got caught. Where have the voices of catholics been on this most disgusting matter? DEAFENING SILENCE! The biggest story in 500 years in your catholic church and you find it more interesting to find fault with protestants.
Vatican Bank money laundering scandals for the second time in just a few years. Do you really know where your money goes, and how it is spent? Do you even know about this issue?
2 investigations of 47,000 nuns in america as the vatican claims they are all radical feminists. I often post about this huge story that is only going to get bigger.
I bring current event news, though to some it might not be positive news but news just the same that catholics should know about. If they don't care, or put their heads in the sand as they usually do when its issues about them, then they don't have to respond to my posts.
Today educated catholics want to know about their church. The good deeds and bad and they are not afraid to ask. Old guards like you are a fading breed who never questions anything the church does right or wrong, and the church loves you for that.
When you watch the 6:00 oclock news tonight and bad news is reported, as it always is, turn your tv off.
If Catholics want to know about Church gossip, they can Google it.
You post it for other reasons not related to 'bringing the news'.
You do it for personal jollies. It eats you up that the Church will be operating a thousand yrs after your gone.
Our 'problems' as you say, are no more than any other institution on the planet.
Maybe you can obsess about the Mormons..

Here is a stat..
100% of your posts are not news worthy.
You discovered how to serf the internet is all. Lol
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406692 Dec 3, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Shortage of Priests! Sound the alarm! We Catholics had no idea. Lol
Most ex Catholics are secure about their choice... You evidently are not.
Btw, most of us in the Church agree, we need to become smaller because of too many cradle Catholics attempting to entwine modern culture into the faith. Ie gay marriage and other liberal ideology.. Sorry mike, ain't gonna happen.
CLAY says.......

....Btw, most of us in the Church agree, we need to become smaller because of too many cradle Catholics attempting to entwine modern culture into the faith. Ie gay marriage and other liberal ideology.. Sorry mike, ain't gonna happen.

MICHAEL says.....

....what organization thrives to become smaller?(lol)!

You will become smaller because people who are the church are moving on in their lives, or moving to something else.

If General Motors doesn't sell as many cars as they did in the past is it the consumers fault? No its the fault of the GM. You won't allow yourself to believe that when things aren't going right, the fault lies at the top and rolls down hill from there. It doesn't start at the bottom where the followers are.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406693 Dec 3, 2012
Michael wrote:
CLAY:
The changes are needed to help the archdiocese, which serves about 800,000 Catholics across 12 counties, deal with FEWER Catholic priests, SHRINKING CHURCH ATTENDANCE and the aging of those Catholics that remain, and geographical shifts of churchgoing populations, church officials said.
Fewer priests as I stated.
Shrinking church attendance as I stated.
As we know across america according to the ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS CONFERENCE in Florida in 2010, only 1 out of ever 4 catholics today attend sunday service, and that the report also indicated that 10% of american adults today are former catholics.
News worthy stories. I post them.
Who doesn't want to know whats going on?
And a "new age" is upon the world.

Embrace it!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406694 Dec 3, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL
Oh, don't get so depressed over it...
St. Augustine, "“Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe.”"
There are plenty of rewards.
I know there are, so why do you reject them?
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#406695 Dec 3, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah thank you.
Because that is what all non Catholics on this board quietly believe but will never say.
'translating the bible is easier today because knowledge has increased'
Basically, what you're saying is:
1. Men like Ignatius and Justin, who sat along side Peter and John, were not smart enough to comprehend the teachings. So that's why they misunderstood the Apostles and thought the Eucharist was to be the actual body and blood.
2. Christ was REALLY waiting for the likes of you guys to be born so you can figure out His true teachings by picking apart Revelation etc.
3. This is why its laughable that many of you call the Catholic Church arrogant.
Just reading the first few paragraphs in the following would male question as to if he even new Peter and only maybe if John.

Nore he is born in 50 A.D then states it is thought he was the child in the Saviors lap ? Christ died way befor e50 A.D.

It was also writtem even the mystrey of iniquity was at work them. Also see the letters tot eh seven church's given the the WHAT FOR in Revelations.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#406696 Dec 3, 2012
contuinued

St. Ignatius of Antioch

Also called Theophorus (ho Theophoros); born in Syria, around the year 50;

died at Rome between 98 and 117.

More than one of the earliest ecclesiastical writers have given credence,

though apparently without good reason, to the legend that Ignatius was the

child whom the Savior took up in His arms, as described in Mark 9:35. It

is also believed, and with great probability, that, with his friend

Polycarp, he was among the auditors of the Apostle St. John. If we include

St. Peter, Ignatius was the third Bishop of Antioch and the immediate

successor of Evodius (Eusebius, Church History II.3.22). Theodoret ("Dial.

Immutab.", I, iv, 33a, Paris, 1642) is the authority for the statement

that St. Peter appointed Ignatius to the See of Antioch. St. John

Chrysostom lays special emphasis on the honor conferred upon the martyr in

receiving his episcopal consecration at the hands of the Apostles

themselves ("Hom. in St. Ig.", IV. 587). Natalis Alexander quotes

Theodoret to the same effect (III, xii, art. xvi, p. 53).


Among the many Catholic doctrines to be found in the letters are the

following:
•the Church was Divinely established as a visible society, the salvation

of souls is its end, and those who separate themselves from it cut

themselves off from God (Philadelphians 3)
•the hierarchy of the Church was instituted by Christ (Introduction to

Philadelphians; Ephesians 6)
•the threefold character of the hierarchy (Magnesians 6)
•the order of the episcopacy superior by Divine authority to that of the

priesthood (Magnesians 6 and 13; Smyrnæans 8; Trallians 3)
•the unity of the Church (Trallians 6; Philadelphians 3; Magnesians 13)
•the holiness of the Church (Smyrnæans, Ephesians, Magnesians, Trallians

and Romans)
•the catholicity of the Church (Smyrnæans 8); the infallibility of the

Church (Philadelphians 3; Ephesians 16-17)
•the doctrine of the Eucharist (Smyrnæans 8), which word we find for the

first time applied to the Blessed Sacrament, just as in Smyrnæans 8, we

meet for the first time the phrase "Catholic Church", used to designate

all Christians
•the Incarnation (Ephesians 18); the supernatural virtue of virginity,

already much esteemed and made the subject of a vow (Polycarp 5)
•the religious character of matrimony (Polycarp 5)
•the value of united prayer (Ephesians 13)
•the primacy of the See of Rome (Introduction to Romans 13)

He, moreover, denounces in principle the Protestant doctrine of private

judgment in matters of religion (Philadelphians 3), The heresy against

which he chiefly inveighs is Docetism. Neither do the Judaizing heresies

escape his vigorous condemnation.


http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07644a.htm
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#406697 Dec 3, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
If Catholics want to know about Church gossip, they can Google it.
You post it for other reasons not related to 'bringing the news'.
You do it for personal jollies. It eats you up that the Church will be operating a thousand yrs after your gone.
Our 'problems' as you say, are no more than any other institution on the planet.
Maybe you can obsess about the Mormons..
Here is a stat..
100% of your posts are not news worthy.
You discovered how to serf the internet is all. Lol
I would believe that you and other catholics, would be deeply concerned when the bishops of your church report stats that are "not like they use to be".





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