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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 665514 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Michael

Canada

#406829 Dec 4, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>05Dec12.....
....and NOT only da Communist Chinks who have murdered countless millions of outsiders and more of their very own people, your neck should be thrown in also.
Ps:....Yeah. BobLoblah alveys tells it like it is. No foolin' around. The Jews and the Romans had their way with BobLoblah's Lord Jesus Christ and now its come tull circle to allow BobLoblah to call a spade a spade.
Thanks for da compliment...even though its coming from a schidt-for-brains like you 'shikael'.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Mr. Loblaws says......

....and NOT only da Communist Chinks who have murdered countless millions of outsiders and more of their very own people, your neck should be thrown in also.

Ps:....Yeah. BobLoblah alveys tells it like it is. No foolin' around. The Jews and the Romans had their way with BobLoblah's Lord Jesus Christ and now its come tull circle to allow BobLoblah to call a spade a spade.

Love forever and ever
bobloblah

Michael says.....

....Bob you speak so eloquently. The posters like that.

UNBELIEVABLE!!
Michael

Canada

#406830 Dec 4, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Yawn.
Compared to other times in the Churchs 2,000 yr history, this is nothing.
You just discovered the internet, so you think its news.
Hey, why do you even care? Are you that insecure about your choice to leave Catholicism? Or ya just a plain old sociopath??
Why so angry my friend!

....you are starting to sound just like Bob Loblaws.
Michael

Canada

#406831 Dec 4, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Yawn.
Compared to other times in the Churchs 2,000 yr history, this is nothing.
You just discovered the internet, so you think its news.
Hey, why do you even care? Are you that insecure about your choice to leave Catholicism? Or ya just a plain old sociopath??
Clay says.....

......Compared to other times in the Churchs 2,000 yr history, this is nothing.

Michael says.....

.....why would there have been other times in your churches history if your church states it is the ONE TRUE CHURCH?

The people must be wrong! thats it!

If the holy spirit is suppose to be guiding the church authorities, why have there have been many bumpy rides along the way?

something is terribly wrong!
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#406832 Dec 4, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote...
"If YOU knew ANYTHING about the vengeance of God, you would "get down on your knees" and repent of the condemning and judgmental hypocricy against (any and all) other Christians (especially Catholics)"......
~~~
WHY SHOULD I REPENT TO YOU,....
FOR GIVING YOU WHAT GOD HAS SAID
IN HIS...
WORD...
From the 100's of past comments that you have posted on this forum, Confrinting, they are ALL a "clear indication" that repentance (not to me)---BUT TO ALMIGHTY GOD HIMSELF (never is nor ever has been, nor ever seems to be) a part of your Christian doctrine of belief........ Repentance and confession requires humility, meekness, submission and trustful Surrender to Gods Divine Providence!.......Quite frankly, it takes, every bit of my own humility from Gods Grace, to go to confession for putting up with the anti-catholic heresy and hostile distorted statements that you are "so famous for!!.
Michael

Canada

#406833 Dec 4, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
"No wonder" you left the Catholic Church! ANYONE knows that God is both a God of love and mercy as well as a God of justice and judgement ---as stated in Romans 10:14 where "each one of us will, eventually stand before the judgment seat of God to answer and give an account of our lives to HIM!!----You, Michael, must have been one of those Catholics that either "was asleep both in Confirmation AND in Mass---or ---did you just "not bother" to show up!!...... Now it explains why you "keep spreading" your liberal anti-catholic "distorted statistics, percentages and "hogwash" on this forum!!
So refreshing to hear from you HOJO...ALWAYS! something always nice to say.

You should team up with bobloblalalala! He too is an inspiration.

UNBELIEVABLE!
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#406834 Dec 4, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>I.<snipped>Can you imagine if YOUR child came to you for your forgiveness and you told them you may have it, BUT , I am going to make you go to a place to be tortured first. What a loving parent you would be. But in your warped view of a loving compassionate saviour it is somehow O.K.???? It literally sickens me to even read this garbage.
Quit being so dramatic. It doesn't take much to set you off my friend. When your child does something seriously wrong, they are forgiven, but they still get their just punishment. They are still loved and after the punishment, it's all good.

"Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin." Hebrews 10:18. Our forgiveness is already complete; we do not need to be purified in purgatory!"

This is a common example of not only how Protestants misunderstand what Catholics mean by purgatory, but how they take a biblical verse out of context. First of all, that one offering for sin is Christ, and we all agree since we tie purgatory into the final phase of sanctification. Our forgiveness is complete in Christ and because of Christ's one offering, this is possible. There is no problem with the one offering or sacrifice, or the ongoing sanctification as an application of that one sacrifice (Hebrew 10:10-14; 1 John 1:7-9; 2:1-2).

But let us read Hebrews chapter 10 in context, and see if that sacrifice applies irrevocably forever to a believer:

16: "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds," 17: then he adds, "I will remember their sins and their misdeeds no more." 18: Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin. 19: Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus, 20: by the new and living way which he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, 21: and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22: let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith,.....

Rest here; http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a94.htm
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#406835 Dec 4, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="hojo"
"No wonder" you left the Catholic Church! ANYONE knows that God is both a God of love and mercy as well as a God of justice and judgement ---as stated in Romans 10:14 where "each one of us will, eventually stand before the judgment seat of God to answer and give an account of our lives to HIM!!----You, Michael, must have been one of those Catholics that either "was asleep both in Confirmation AND in Mass---or ---did you just "not bother" to show up!!...... Now it explains why you "keep spreading" your liberal anti-catholic "distorted statistics, percentages and "hogwash" on this forum!!
*********
You two make an amazing pair. Michael is bitter about his experience with the Catholic church. You, hojo, are just as bitter about your experience with the Protestant church you were in.
Interesting to see how this one will turn out.
KayMarie
Thanks KayMarie! The difference, however, is that there are many of my former and still Protestant (bothers and sisters in Christ) in which we may disagree on our doctrine of beliefs, but we STILL respect each others faith in Jesus Christ as in ;one body and one Spirit----Wish I could say that about your husband. Gods blessing to you and your family during this season of Advent!!
Michael

Canada

#406836 Dec 4, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Good morning! If you don't mind, I'll answer your post in sections. I've got a busy day and this will completely disappeared, but Vatican II actually said that Latin is to remain the official language of the liturgy of the Roman Rite and the the vernacular could be used when it was deemed appropriate.
But the introduction of the vernacular
the primary liturgy accepted in the nations that they brought the gospel to was the Byzantine Rite. Some regions of Croatia also began using the vernacular, i.e. Old Slavonic, but they used the Roman Rite, instead of the Byzantine. This liturgical tradition lived on until the post Vatican II liturgy was implemented. Many churches had Masses scheduled in both Latin and Old Slavonic, but others were exclusively one or the other. One of the reasons that Vatican II allowed the greater use of the vernacular was that this Glagolitic Mass was celebrated in St. Peter’s Basilica during one of the sessions of the Council.
This does not mean that Mass should always be in the vernacular, since the language used in the Glagolitic liturgy was elevated, not just the language used on the street. It comes down to the fact that there needs to be a sacred language that we use to speak to God. That may be one of the reasons that the popularity of the Latin Mass has grown, sadly the Glagolitic Mass has not had the same rejuvenation."
http://praythemass.org/2012/01/catholic-mass-...
You're using "Sacred Tradition" incorrectly. It's not 'traditions' but "Tradition", two entirely different things. The language used in the Mass would be a tradition, not Sacred Tradition.
Yes, we are still to avoid meat on Fridays. We're required to do so during Lent, but during the rest of the year we may perform a charitable act or personal sacrifice in it's stead. It's in commemoration of and to more closely identify with Christ's passion, it's penitential and something that should be given thought to rather than done on auto-pilot. The media is responsible for yet again misinforming the public. I remember the "announcement" during the news one night that meatless Fridays had been done away with, when in fact that wasn't the case at all. However, it's not dogma.
I'll get to the rest of your post later on when I have more time. Thanks.
What vatican II did, was "LIBERALIZE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH".

It made the church progressive not conservative.

.... Nuns running around in soccer shorts.

.... Priests telling parishioners to use their own conscience when making decisions on birth control and divorce, and not feel guilty for eating meat on fridays........I remember it well.

Speak any lanuguage you want when saying mass. Latin if you know it!

Vatican II.......the gamechanger.



“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#406837 Dec 4, 2012
who="hojo"
"No wonder" you left the Catholic Church! ANYONE knows that God is both a God of love and mercy as well as a God of justice and judgement ---as stated in Romans 10:14 where "each one of us will, eventually stand before the judgment seat of God to answer and give an account of our lives to HIM!!----You, Michael, must have been one of those Catholics that either "was asleep both in Confirmation AND in Mass---or ---did you just "not bother" to show up!!...... Now it explains why you "keep spreading" your liberal anti-catholic "distorted statistics, percentages and "hogwash" on this forum!!

*********
You two make an amazing pair. Michael is bitter about his experience with the Catholic church. You, hojo, are just as bitter about your experience with the Protestant church you were in.
Interesting to see how this one will turn out.
KayMarie

**********

P.S. I wouldn't be afraid to bet (I'm not a betting person) that BOTH of you had some bitter experiences with co-laborers OR superiors. You aren't truly disillusioned with your churches/God, but you are misplacing your feelings against others.
Want to get out of bitterness? FORGIVE those who hurt you, and take a really good and new look at the Bible itself.

There is victory IN THE LORD...
KayMarie
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#406838 Dec 4, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Please don't tell us what we believe Purgatory is.
Look at Purgatory as a process, instead of a place. You and I are going through that process as we speak. And it will continue after we die in order to cleanse ourselves. "Nothing unclean shall enter Heaven" Revelation 21:27
Purgatory might be minutes for some and days for others- although time as we understand it, ceases to exist after death.
You're not clean enough to automatically be in the presence of God in Heaven, 4gvn. But you are not bad enough for eternal separation in hell.
So now what? You think you are without blemish along with all the other born agains? I'm being serious.
What you are saying is NOT catholic teaching as you well know. Purgatory is an imaginary place that has no place in scripture. You keep quoting "nothing unclean shall enter heaven", which is true. But ONLY the sacrifice of Jesus can make us clean. If there was another way God would have spared His Son. Sorry Clay but what you have been taught about purgatory does not align with God's word.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#406839 Dec 4, 2012
When Jesus died on the cross,He said,"IT IS FINISHED." (John 19:30) Jesus COMPLETED the work of redemption at the cross. No puratory is needed for those who trust in Christ. First John 1:7 declares, "The blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from ALL SIN", Romans8:1 says,"
there is NOW no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." We are cleansed NOT by the "fire of purgatory", but by the blood of Jesus(Hebrews 9:14). Jesus"Himself is the propitiation for our sins"(1John 2:2). It is through Jesus' work on the cross that we are made righteous (2 Cor. 5:21). The apostle Paul spoke of himself as "not having a righteous of his own, derived from the Law, but that which is through FAITH in Christ, the righteousnes which comes from God on the basis of faith." (Philippians 3:9). It is through the wonderful work of Christ on the cross that believers are "blameless", and hence they have no need of an imagined purgatory(Jude 1:24).
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#406840 Dec 4, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. Loblaws says......
....and NOT only da Communist Chinks who have murdered countless millions of outsiders and more of their very own people, your neck should be thrown in also.
Ps:....Yeah. BobLoblah alveys tells it like it is. No foolin' around. The Jews and the Romans had their way with BobLoblah's Lord Jesus Christ and now its come tull circle to allow BobLoblah to call a spade a spade.
Love forever and ever
bobloblah
Michael says.....
....Bob you speak so eloquently. The posters like that and I adore you so much that I want to be just like you.
UNBELIEVABLE!!
05Dec12.....

.....dank you berry much fer da compliment.

Ps:....and whenever the Name of Jesus Christ is mentioned, every knee should bend.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#406841 Dec 4, 2012
4GVN wrote:
What can wash away our sin?
How about our own suffering in PURGATORY?
Challenges from a Protestant on purgatory

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/purgatory_qa...
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#406842 Dec 4, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
What vatican II did, was "LIBERALIZE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH".
It made the church progressive not conservative.
.... Nuns running around in soccer shorts.
.... Priests telling parishioners to use their own conscience when making decisions on birth control and divorce, and not feel guilty for eating meat on fridays........I remember it well.
Speak any lanuguage you want when saying mass. Latin if you know it!
Vatican II.......the gamechanger.
05Dec12.....

.....LIAR....

You remember nuttin' because you have schidt-for-brains.

You were Never a Roman Catholic. In fact, you were Never a Christian. You are jest a envious and jealous tempest in a teaPot.

Ps:.....Pope John XXIII began Vatical II. With it came the changes to the performing of Holy Mass. The congregation liked it as now they had a 'face-to-face' contact with the Priest as he carred out the 'Changing of the Bread and Wine into the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Chris'......something you pagans don't have the FAITH to understand.

Begone 'shataan' BobLoblah is goin' to send our Father Merrin to visit you in your tiny room von of dese deys toooooooo.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#406843 Dec 4, 2012
By one offering He has (perfected for all time) those who are sanctfied".(Heb. 10:14)
No further purging is neccessary because Christ has perfected 'for all time' those who have believed in Him.
THAT WHICH IS ALREADY PERFECT "FOR ALL TIME" NEEDS NO FURTHER PURGING.
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#406844 Dec 4, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
So refreshing to hear from you HOJO...ALWAYS! something always nice to say.
You should team up with bobloblalalala! He too is an inspiration.
UNBELIEVABLE!
05Dec12......

.....ListenUP schidtFace 'paganSickel'....

Sticks 'n stones may break BobLoblah's bones, but names vill nevva hurt BobLoblah.

Ps:.....Da only education dat you have 'sickel' is dat which you gleaned from da ILK dat tossed swill ovva da rails of yer pigPen.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#406845 Dec 4, 2012
4GVN wrote:
By one offering He has (perfected for all time) those who are sanctfied".(Heb. 10:14)
No further purging is neccessary because Christ has perfected 'for all time' those who have believed in Him.
THAT WHICH IS ALREADY PERFECT "FOR ALL TIME" NEEDS NO FURTHER PURGING.
1 Cor. 3:10-15 - works are judged after death and tested by fire. Some works are lost, but the person is still saved. Paul is referring to the state of purgation called purgatory. The venial sins (bad works) that were committed are burned up after death, but the person is still brought to salvation. This state after death cannot be heaven (no one with venial sins is present) or hell (there is no forgiveness and salvation).

1 Cor. 3:15 –“if any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” The phrase for "suffer loss" in the Greek is "zemiothesetai." The root word is "zemioo" which also refers to punishment. The construction “zemiothesetai” is used in Ex. 21:22 and Prov. 19:19 which refers to punishment (from the Hebrew “anash” meaning “punish” or “penalty”). Hence, this verse proves that there is an expiation of temporal punishment after our death, but the person is still saved. This cannot mean heaven (there is no punishment in heaven) and this cannot mean hell (the possibility of expiation no longer exists and the person is not saved).

1 Cor. 3:15 – further, Paul writes “he himself will be saved, "but only" (or “yet so”) as through fire.”“He will be saved” in the Greek is “sothesetai”(which means eternal salvation). The phrase "but only" (or “yet so”) in the Greek is "houtos" which means "in the same manner." This means that man is both eternally rewarded and eternally saved in the same manner by fire.

1 Cor. 3:13 - when Paul writes about God revealing the quality of each man's work by fire and purifying him, this purification relates to his sins (not just his good works). Protestants, in attempting to disprove the reality of purgatory, argue that Paul was only writing about rewarding good works, and not punishing sins (because punishing and purifying a man from sins would be admitting that there is a purgatory).

1 Cor. 3:17 - but this verse proves that the purgation after death deals with punishing sin. That is, destroying God's temple is a bad work, which is a mortal sin, which leads to death. 1 Cor. 3:14,15,17 - purgatory thus reveals the state of righteousness (v.14), state of venial sin (v.15) and the state of mortal sin (v.17), all of which are judged after death.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#406846 Dec 4, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="hojo" "No wonder" you left the Catholic Church! ANYONE knows that God is both a Godof love and mercy as well as a Godof justice and judgement ---as stated in Romans 10:14 where "each oneof us will, eventually stand before the judgment seatof God to answer and give an accountof our lives to HIM!!----You, Michael, must have been oneof those Catholics that either "was asleep both in Confirmation AND in Mass---or ---did you just "not bother" to show up!!...... Now it explains why you "keep spreading" your liberal anti-catholic "distorted statistics, percentages and "hogwash" on this forum!!******** You two make an amazing pair. Michael is bitter about his experience with the Catholic church. You, hojo, are just as bitter about your experience with the Protestant church you were in. Interesting to see how this one will turnout. KayMarie ********** P.S. I wouldn't be afraid to bet (I'm not a betting person) that BOTHof you had some bitter experiences with co-laborers OR superiors. You aren't truly disillusioned with your churches/God, but you are misplacing your feelings against others. Want to getout of bitterness? FORGIVE those who hurt you, and take a really good and new look at the Bible itself. There is victory IN THE LORD... KayMarie
05Dec12.....

.....Naw. Not at all. Don't believe dat schidt.

Ps:.....Both 'sickel' and 'tojo' are Queers and pissedOff that theOld Testament defines it as an abomination and that Jesus Chrisst said 'if a man lieth with a man, it would be better if that man tied a millstone around his neck and cast himself into the sea'. They both need to pull the7-week old condoms out of their arseHoles.....and then to PhuckOFf into da sunset.

This is the only language these schidt-for-brains unnaStan. Ya unnastan.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#406847 Dec 4, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay says.....
......Compared to other times in the Churchs 2,000 yr history, this is nothing.
Michael says.....
.....why would there have been other times in your churches history if your church states it is the ONE TRUE CHURCH?
The people must be wrong! thats it!
If the holy spirit is suppose to be guiding the church authorities, why have there have been many bumpy rides along the way?
something is terribly wrong!
That's hilarious, because you know we only claim to be protected by the Holy Spirit on faith and moral teachings. Yet, again, you like to spread gossip by somehow claiming our 'bumpy' rides mean we aren't really guided. Weird.

That's ok though Michael, your buddy free mind use to recite that logic every single day. And I explained the Churchs claim every single day. This happened about 400 times, then he stopped for a few months. Now he does it again.
Can you say ideological agenda??
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#406848 Dec 4, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>What you are saying is NOT catholic teaching as you well know. Purgatory is an imaginary place that has no place in scripture. You keep quoting "nothing unclean shall enter heaven", which is true. But ONLY the sacrifice of Jesus can make us clean. If there was another way God would have spared His Son. Sorry Clay but what you have been taught about purgatory does not align with God's word.
What I said is Catholic belief. Purgatory is more of a process than a place.

Anyway, what you say our Bible says, means nothing. You should be careful when you stand up and teach what *you* think is Gods will. You're not an authority.

Besides, our Bible has more books that Luther took out. Those books validate our teachings.

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