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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 641062 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Michael

Canada

#406639 Dec 3, 2012
Clay wrote:
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I don't remember the Apostles spreading the faith and then asking the people to take a vote on their teachings. Lol. Silly
Ncr online? Um ok. I believe the Church sued ncr online for using 'catholic' in their address. I can't remember. Either way... They are not Catholic in belief. If they are still claiming to be Catholic, they need to pack up and leave and start their own religion like the Protestants do.
The Church will never be dictated by popular culture. Do you understand that? That's precisely why I know its the true religion.
CLAY says....

..(I don't remember the Apostles) spreading the faith and then asking the people to take a vote on their teachings. Lol. Silly
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MICHAEL Says......

..You don't remember the Apostles period. Silly you!

Since: Dec 06

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#406640 Dec 3, 2012
Lets Worship Baby Killer wrote:
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The largest child sex-abuse COVER-UP relates directly to the topic of this board.
In the end, reason states that God did not appoint -- and God does not uniquely guide -- any organization which would be capable of such a WORLDWIDE COVER-UP.
"No worse than others" say the apologists.
Baloney. The Bible tells us that Jesus had higher standards.
Free Mind

Christians are held to higher standards....When they don't uphold them, it is easy to criticize them. In fact it is expected, as the world would hope/like to bring them down into the mud with themselves, and keep them there.

But unfortunately, for the world, the Christian gets himself up, learns, and moves on.

(By the way, Muslim treatment of sex is not even "hidden", it outrightly denies equal, or fair treatment....Why don't you bother some Islamic thread.)
Michael

Canada

#406641 Dec 3, 2012
hojo wrote:
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Just "distorted, exaggerated, twisted and perverted information, that is skewed and out of date!...Poll, statistics,and opinions that are UNBELIEVABLE!!!----(using your own rhetoric)
HOJO says....


Just "distorted, exaggerated, twisted and perverted information, that is skewed and out of date!.

MICHAEL says........Out of date! The current date on this roman catholic info below from CARA is 2012. How fresh do you want it? lol!

Read and learn all about CARA.

..http://cara.georgetown.edu/A boutCARA/aboutCARA.html

Read and learn the roman catholic 1965- 2012 statistics from CARA.

...http://cara.georgetown.edu/ CARAServices/requestedchurchst ats.html

I can't believe you didn't know about this Georgetown University group CARA, and you call yourself a card carrying catholic and you didn't know? Shame on you.
Michael

Canada

#406642 Dec 3, 2012
hojo wrote:
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Just "distorted, exaggerated, twisted and perverted information, that is skewed and out of date!...Poll, statistics,and opinions that are UNBELIEVABLE!!!----(using your own rhetoric)
Don't you remember we talked about all the catholic churches in Minnesota that were shuttered the last few years due to LOW MASS ATTENDANCE and HIGH MAINTENACE costs. Remember?

I bring the truth, the truth you deny.
Michael

Canada

#406643 Dec 3, 2012
hojo wrote:
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The Catholic Directory is as "out of date" as you are Michael. Statistics, polls, surveys, studies and samplings have as much credibility, truth and authenticity as "your own" personal distorted opinion,----- which is "zilch"...... All one has to do is to look at the polls that were taken prior to the presidential, to see how inaccurate surveys and samplings (REALLY ARE). Most polls projected Romney as the winner.-----So with that in mind, why don't you "Go and "play" you anti-catholic statistic (poll games) with the other 42,000+ Protestants on this forum.---You can all cry, complain, pout, grieve and find fault with each other as ALL OF YOU continue to live in the "bondage of anti-catholic hostility, venegence and hate,(feeling sorry for yourselves" with and against each other.----The only sympathy that we have for you is to "continue" our commitment to God, Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church, "continuing to pray for you, Confrinting, Orville, 4GVN, justachristian1, OLDJG, jethro8, and the rest of you "Catholic Bashers" that God (through His Son Jesus) with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit will work HIS Miracle of healing in your hearts, mind and souls, to come the TRUTH of Salvation!!
HOJO says......The Catholic Directory is as "out of date"

Michael says.....2012 is out of date?? It isn't current enough for you?(lol)!

Your a joke HOJO I like your sense of humor. Now get serious and look at these stats for 2012....

http://cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServices/reque...
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#406644 Dec 3, 2012
Truth wrote:
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Is this something that God/Jesus would say about His creation?
Hate is a mighty strong word.....
Does God hate us, 4GVN???
Hmmmmm.....
I thought it was SIN that God hates...
He most certainly hated Essau now didn't he.
Clay

Denver, CO

#406645 Dec 3, 2012
Michael wrote:
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Don't you remember we talked about all the catholic churches in Minnesota that were shuttered the last few years due to LOW MASS ATTENDANCE and HIGH MAINTENACE costs. Remember?
I bring the truth, the truth you deny.
You bring the truth?

Ya ok. Sure, Churches in MN closed last year, BUT you don't say why!!

You fool no one but yourself.

Catholic Church's in MN closed last year due to demographics.

I know your bigoted mind wants to believe people left because they were like you, but that is not true one bit, and you know it.
Catholic Churches in the suburbs of the Twin Cities expanded. None closed.

Meanwhile, in MPLS and Saint Paul many closed due to yrs of cultural shifts. MPLS saw traditionally Catholic neighborhoods become Muslim and African American - who traditionally are Baptist.

On Saint Pauls East Side- a traditionally Irish, Italian and Polish neighborhood- with a Catholic Church every square mile, saw half of them close or combine with other parishes, due to the neighborhood switch to predominately Hmong and African American.

Do you still think you report the truth? Lol. Scram bigot.

Since: Dec 06

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#406647 Dec 3, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
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Robert, Here is an article I think you may find helpful. Some Protestants largely misunderstand the Catholic position and therefore condemn that which they do not understand.
I think it also goes more to sanctification and justification. In the OT we know that the Holy Spirit came upon people. However it did not dwell. We know from Ezekiel and the other scripture I have already given you that water is part of the equation. To say you just get wet is quite arrogant and misses the point altogether. The bible says Esau was hated in the womb. Their are more than a few verses in the bible talking of unborn, but that is another subject. I will not presume to be the mind of God and judge him on what he may or may not do with an infant who is not baptized.
The fact is God can bestow the Holy Spirit upon anyone that he chooses. It is revealed to Peter that the Gentiles are to be saved because the Holy Spirit came upon them. Likewise he makes it clear baptism is necessary and its not a bath. You cannot isolate the two claiming it is not asked to do. Paul goes to a member of the Church and he states, "Why do you wait?, Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins.
As a man thinketh so shall he become. We can foster good or evil. We can suppress the spirit or feed it. We can claim the Spirit changes us and nothing more is necessary and if we sin then werent really saved as some do. Or we can foster growth of good and receive more blessings and let it grow. Thus through the sacraments we continue to nourish our faith. We continue to repent, we continue to seek guidance, we persevere to the end. We partake of the spiritual food in the Eucharist which is not to be received in disbelief and unworthiness. Christ founded a church. We have free will. We can disobey and we can make our own rules. Obviously Moses had rebellers. Obviously the council on circumcision there were those who disregarded their decision that it was not necessary for the Gentile to be saved.
In comparing of cirumcision if a Jewish infant dies before the bris on the 8th day. Most sages will still consider that infant a Jew. Many will also complete the bris regardless in cermony as a hospital circumcision is not recognized. This will allow the child to join with the circumcized seperated a people apart on the resurrection. It is a sign and seal of a covenant. God Most certainly did punish the Isrealites for not circumcising and it is not something Joshua just did. Jewish Tradition in proper interpretation says it was necessary lest it would not have been so controversial an issue requring a council.
Original sin is washed away in Baptism and it is a sign and a seal and is done once in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If an infant in faith the Parents accept as peter said a gift for you and your children. Sealed into the priesthood with the new covenant. The child just as a Jewish child can make a consious decision to reject the Lord with free will, but their parents in faith circumcized in an act of faith. We can nurture the life as a Christian and persevere to the end or we can ignore it.
Here is the article. http://www.catholicapologetics.org/ap060400.h...
Dust Storm
Peace

Thank you....

Since: Dec 06

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#406648 Dec 3, 2012
truth wrote:
Robert
If teacher asked your child;''Did your mother have head''..
As every child will tell you;'' yes my mother have as well beautiful head as well we think our lovely Creator created mothers too''.
Did your mother have in her head mind?..o well according someone must be that head have to be empty..Why is like that?
Because of someone who usually think e you can and you can't simply like that.
Is really just like that?
No!!!
Mothers or woman's head are full of love much more then man head as well full of ''neurons'' cell which is pure conciseness as you see entire universe on display.
Yes yes yes..
Please tell me..in which universe we live..man universum or woman universum=neurons!!!
If you are part of woman universe what you will say as man???!!!
Did man have head as well mind full of ''neurons''?
Neurons as tiny cells as they work for entire Cosmos.
If yes please tell me that neurons as cell of Cosmos can contact woman cells as part of universe.
Yes yes yes its mean you are within one branch which can't exist without each other..
If they can't exist without each other please tell me how then work entire system or will be colops.
No ..because its constant ''re-birth''..as you see your sons as well dauthers between this world as human cell on this planet.
truth

Look in the mirror...

Which is right, and which is left?

Are they not the same?

Its best not to be alone.

There is no male, no female.
One receives, One offers.
Michael

Canada

#406650 Dec 3, 2012
Clay wrote:
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You bring the truth?
Ya ok. Sure, Churches in MN closed last year, BUT you don't say why!!
You fool no one but yourself.
Catholic Church's in MN closed last year due to demographics.
I know your bigoted mind wants to believe people left because they were like you, but that is not true one bit, and you know it.
Catholic Churches in the suburbs of the Twin Cities expanded. None closed.
Meanwhile, in MPLS and Saint Paul many closed due to yrs of cultural shifts. MPLS saw traditionally Catholic neighborhoods become Muslim and African American - who traditionally are Baptist.
On Saint Pauls East Side- a traditionally Irish, Italian and Polish neighborhood- with a Catholic Church every square mile, saw half of them close or combine with other parishes, due to the neighborhood switch to predominately Hmong and African American.
Do you still think you report the truth? Lol. Scram bigot.
I did say why.......shrinking mass attendance as one example.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#406651 Dec 3, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
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Hi, Robert! You are so right. We are to fully participate in the Mass, we are to *pray* the Mass. It is the highest prayer we can offer. Sometimes I'm distracted with the stuff of life, worries and so forth, but the best and most fruitful masses are those in which I'm fully present. I love when I see someone with their hands together, pointing straight up to heaven for the entire Mass. It's so intimate, so inspiring. I think God puts those angels in our midst as an example. To be so deep into the Liturgy is such a joy. Thank you.
Go in peace to love and serve the Lord, and one another.
A blessed Advent season to you and yours!
ReginaM
Peace

Maranatha

May your Advent season also be a blessed one....
Clay

Denver, CO

#406652 Dec 3, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>We would just be reading individual books tha pertained to the subject of Christ then right.
Compilring them I am sure was no big effort on mans part. Of course translating the may have too some effort during that time period only no big task today since knowledge has increased.
Ah thank you.
Because that is what all non Catholics on this board quietly believe but will never say.

'translating the bible is easier today because knowledge has increased'
Basically, what you're saying is:

1. Men like Ignatius and Justin, who sat along side Peter and John, were not smart enough to comprehend the teachings. So that's why they misunderstood the Apostles and thought the Eucharist was to be the actual body and blood.

2. Christ was REALLY waiting for the likes of you guys to be born so you can figure out His true teachings by picking apart Revelation etc.

3. This is why its laughable that many of you call the Catholic Church arrogant.
Clay

Denver, CO

#406653 Dec 3, 2012
Michael wrote:
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I did say why.......shrinking mass attendance as one example.
Shrinking Mass attendance...why? Because all the parishioners had it with Catholicism?

Exactly, you don't report the truth. You try to do a drive by smear. This is deception, and proves you have a bigoted agenda.
You can wish all you want and desperately attempt to bring down the Church, but you'll lose.
What's it like to be on the losing end? Knowing your rabid anti Catholic agenda won't do nothing but secure your fate. The Church will be operating for another 2,000 yrs, and there is nothing you can do about it.
Loren Eberly

Centerburg, OH

#406654 Dec 3, 2012
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preston

Athens, OH

#406655 Dec 3, 2012
Clay wrote:
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Ah thank you.
Because that is what all non Catholics on this board quietly believe but will never say.
'translating the bible is easier today because knowledge has increased'
Basically, what you're saying is:
1. Men like Ignatius and Justin, who sat along side Peter and John, were not smart enough to comprehend the teachings. So that's why they misunderstood the Apostles and thought the Eucharist was to be the actual body and blood.
2. Christ was REALLY waiting for the likes of you guys to be born so you can figure out His true teachings by picking apart Revelation etc.
3. This is why its laughable that many of you call the Catholic Church arrogant.
clay, justin never sat beside Peter and John. he was born decades after them.

as far as ignatius, he was thought to be adept in the teaching of the Gnostics. his teachings alledgely come from his letters and they are not believed to be legitimate by many people.

also he didnt beleive in your now relativly new idea of Apostlic Succession, which you know that Clement did disagree with him.

is this a schism in your church leadeship? as he also never placed the "catholic" church as being a world wide church but rather just located in a less central organization.

Points to ponder? to discuss?

not to argue. getting to old to argue any more.
preston

Athens, OH

#406656 Dec 3, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah thank you.
Because that is what all non Catholics on this board quietly believe but will never say.
'translating the bible is easier today because knowledge has increased'
Basically, what you're saying is:
1. Men like Ignatius and Justin, who sat along side Peter and John, were not smart enough to comprehend the teachings. So that's why they misunderstood the Apostles and thought the Eucharist was to be the actual body and blood.
2. Christ was REALLY waiting for the likes of you guys to be born so you can figure out His true teachings by picking apart Revelation etc.
3. This is why its laughable that many of you call the Catholic Church arrogant.
you do realize that with the minimum wages being paid back then, it wasnt difficult to find well educated men to copy the greek into latin, dont you?

Since: Dec 06

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#406657 Dec 3, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>I am sorry Robert, but if this is what you believe, then you don't know my Saviour. If you did you would know that faith in His COMPLETED work on the cross is the ONLY way to attain spiritual cleansing. ONLY Jesus can forgive us our sins(offenses against Him) and remove them as 'far as the east is from the west. You sir are trusting in an imaginary place to do for you what only Jesus can do. Why don't you trust HIM?
4GVN good friend

I just wrote that the RC believes only in salvation in Jesus Christ. And I do trust in Him, although you need to read John 20:23

"New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained."

Jesus was speaking to the 12 Disciples....

Purgatory is not so much a place as it is a process, a purifying process of the soul before it comes into God's Presence in heaven. For most people, that process begins here on earth, in this life....It in no way negates Jesus' death and resurrection. In fact it is made more remarkable, in that the abundance of God's Mercy is even greater than salvation alone....

Don't you think you have sinned after becoming a Christian?

Jesus only died once for sin and salvation. He does not die over and over for each sin one commits after one confesses and is baptised a Christian. This is where God's Mercy comes in, that if we sin, he will forgive sin if we are repentant, and seek after God....

Thus when you become a Christian, yes you have received a "spiritual cleansing(as you say)", but your soul can get dirty again if you sin....Thus you need to get washed again, not in that same Grace of Salvation in Jesus Christ, but in God's Mercy. This washing again is part of the purification/refining process of the soul until it meets with God in Heaven.
Clay

Denver, CO

#406658 Dec 3, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>clay, justin never sat beside Peter and John. he was born decades after them.
as far as ignatius, he was thought to be adept in the teaching of the Gnostics. his teachings alledgely come from his letters and they are not believed to be legitimate by many people.
also he didnt beleive in your now relativly new idea of Apostlic Succession, which you know that Clement did disagree with him.
is this a schism in your church leadeship? as he also never placed the "catholic" church as being a world wide church but rather just located in a less central organization.
Points to ponder? to discuss?
not to argue. getting to old to argue any more.
True, Justin was born after. My mistake.
Ignatius was not. He was a student of John the Apostle.

Apostolic succession is not a new idea. Apostolic fathers and their writings are not new either.

Ignatius was a Catholic Bishop. Not an agnostic.
Clay

Denver, CO

#406659 Dec 3, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>clay, justin never sat beside Peter and John. he was born decades after them.
as far as ignatius, he was thought to be adept in the teaching of the Gnostics. his teachings alledgely come from his letters and they are not believed to be legitimate by many people.
also he didnt beleive in your now relativly new idea of Apostlic Succession, which you know that Clement did disagree with him.
is this a schism in your church leadeship? as he also never placed the "catholic" church as being a world wide church but rather just located in a less central organization.
Points to ponder? to discuss?
not to argue. getting to old to argue any more.
Disagreements were common then and common now. This is why Christ established one leader to make such decisions. Otherwise, how would we know what is the correct teachings?
The Holy Spirit telling all of us individually?? Well, we know that can't be true.

Since: Dec 06

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#406660 Dec 3, 2012
4GVN wrote:
It goes way beyond illogical to believe that Jesus(the greatest teacher who ever lived) spent 3 and a half years with his disciples and taught them all about spiritual matters and about heaven and about hell. And taught them what a man must do to be saved and go to heaven that Jesus prepared for them. But somehow 'forgot' to mention a place as important as purgatory which is the only way that a sinful man can attain heaven. Scripture, nor any of the apostles tell us of this place. No one has ever been to this place and come back to tell us about it. But we are supposed to believe that it is real, and only the Catholics know about it.:{
4GVN good friend

Well....someone has gone through Purgatory and come back, and wrote about it....St. Catherine of Genoa....

Also, perhaps more important to you is that it is a process mentioned in the Bible, I Cor 3:10-15

"10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."

....yet so as through fire.(the Holy Spirit).

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