Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
preston

Waverly, OH

#406023 Nov 30, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you always turn nasty? That's not very Christian of you.
now just chill out.lol .you knew that he wasnt a nice guy in the first place

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#406024 Nov 30, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL
1st Ammendment to the U.S. Constitution....The FIRST!
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, and the FREE EXERCISE thereof....
So..., if one considers eternal law more important than natural law, and natural law more important than civil law, then the order is correct.
In other words, eternal life is more important than physical life, and physical life is more important than breaking the speed law....
Its the Law of the Land here in the U.S....New Agers might want to make natural law trump everything. And do everything they can to change it. But there it is in black and white....Read it and weap....
I would love to have some of what you are smokin'! LOL!

I bet that does make a lot of sense to you... if you are really stoned.

Can your religious group legally walk in to any public school and baptize children? No. Civil law trumps your god's laws.
preston

Waverly, OH

#406025 Nov 30, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Preston,
If I may....
Philip could NOT impart the POWER of the Holy Spirit to others.
Acts 8:13
13 Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere,[[[[[astonished by the ~~~~~great signs and miracles~~~~~ HE SAW.]]]]]
Only the apostles had the ability to impart the POWER of the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands.
Acts 8:14
14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God,~~~~~they sent Peter and John to Samaria.~~~~~
The apostles sent Peter and John....
Why????
Only by the laying on of the apostles' hands was the POWER of the Holy Spirit given.
Preston, look at this verse carefully:
Acts 8:18
18 When Simon <<<SAW>>> that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money.
Now, do we see the ~miraculous powers~ being performed today???
NO!!!
WHY???
The ~~~miraculous powers~~~ CEASED to continue once those who had been given this POWER DIED as the POWER could not be passed on.
sorry Hank, but the fact that Phillip wasnt an Apostle doesnt have anything to do with the Fact that he preached to those in Samaria and THEY BELEIVED AND WERE BAPTISED

YET DIDNT RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST.

SIMON DOESNT HAVE ANYHTING TO DO WITH THIS SO DONT BRING HIM IN WITH YOUR DIVERSION.

STAY ON TOPIC IF YOU WILL.

WE ARENT TALKING ABOUT ANY POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR DOCTRINE OF RECEIVING THE HOLY GHOST WHEN A PERSON IS BAPTISED.

and that 18th verse says nothing about Power so why are you adding to the Scriptures? dont do that Hank, it aint right.

the Fact remains, they Heard, they believed, and they were baptised, YET THEY STILL WERE NOT FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST.

14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

Now that 15th verse agrees with what I mentioned a few weeks ago, when I went to a church and a woman was wanting to Receive the Holy Ghost and People Prayed for her but she still was not Filled, and then i went up and told the pastor that we should pray again and this time God would answer and He did and She was Filled and began to shout the victory
preston

Waverly, OH

#406026 Nov 30, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston,
Also, the Apostle Paul:
Acts 19:6
6 When Paul placed his hands on them,[[[the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.]]]
you arent proving any point, the Bible says what it says.

Gill says this.

And when Paul had laid his hands upon them,.... They having been before baptized, not by him, but by John, or one of his disciples, in the name of the Lord Jesus; just as Peter and John laid their hands upon the believing Samaritans, who had been before baptized by Philip, Acts 8:14 and the same extraordinary effects followed:

so whatever pont that you a re trying to make is moot.

since the Bible clearly agrees with me and not you.

And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain {disciples,}SEE THIS HANK.DISCIPLES, THAT MEANS ALREADY SAVED, THEY ARE NOT SINNERS AND THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN BAPTISED BY WATER. QUIT TRYING TO FOOL PEOPLE, HANK.

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
preston

Waverly, OH

#406027 Nov 30, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
preston
lol. Don't get mad.....But that is very Catholic of you.(smile)
You do know in Catholicism Confirmation is a process(generally) in younger folks, and the laying on of hands by the priest(traced back to the apostles) more or less is a sign and seals the process of receiving the Holy Ghost.
as gif could affirm what I am saying also.

laypersons also lay hands on many people who have received the Holy Ghost.it is not something that is only reserved for a special few.

there is also Praying and those praying need to be able to reach Heaven with their prayers and that person who is wishing to receive the Holy Ghost better have a thirst, or it will be a waste of time.

unless a person wishes to "die out to self" they will not be sanctified to the Will of God, therefore they will not be Filled with the Holy Ghost

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406028 Nov 30, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL
1st Ammendment to the U.S. Constitution....The FIRST!
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, and the FREE EXERCISE thereof....
So..., if one considers eternal law more important than natural law, and natural law more important than civil law, then the order is correct.
In other words, eternal life is more important than physical life, and physical life is more important than breaking the speed law....
Its the Law of the Land here in the U.S....New Agers might want to make natural law trump everything. And do everything they can to change it. But there it is in black and white....Read it and weap....
Funny how you twist the civil law of the 1st Amendmentment, into a religious law.

This civil law dictates that laws cannot be made to include a religious belief.

It's not the other way around as you like to believe it to be.

In other words, the Bible, a religious law to some, DOES NOT TRUMP civil laws.

Do you really believe religious laws carry more wait in a court of law about what is right and what is wrong?

Try using a Levitical "law" in court. You won't win.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406029 Nov 30, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
I would love to have some of what you are smokin'! LOL!
I bet that does make a lot of sense to you... if you are really stoned.
*winks*

Good 'chronic' could do that!

:o)

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406030 Nov 30, 2012
4GVN wrote:

The Holy Spirit ONLY works in the hearts of christians. NOt in an institution. The Holy Spirit guides christians(individually), This is the church.
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you provide any factual support to support your speculation?
And instead of responding, someone decides to give me a snack.

I'll guess it to be "4gvn", because that who I was responding to.

What's the matter 4gvn, afraid to answer honestly?

No worries, you are just like all the others on this forum, who can't be honest.

You are only hurting yourSelf.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#406031 Nov 30, 2012
Bible Verse Of The Day

I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

John 10:11 (KJV)

www.Christ.com Bible Verse Of The Day

By the Grace of God I Am What I Am”
November 30, 2012
By the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain ...—1 Corinthians 15:10

The way we continually talk about our own inabilities is an insult to our Creator. To complain over our incompetence is to accuse God falsely of having overlooked us. Get into the habit of examining from God’s perspective those things that sound so humble to men. You will be amazed at how unbelievably inappropriate and disrespectful they are to Him. We say things such as,“Oh, I shouldn’t claim to be sanctified; I’m not a saint.” But to say that before God means,“No, Lord, it is impossible for You to save and sanctify me; there are opportunities I have not had and so many imperfections in my brain and body; no, Lord, it isn’t possible.” That may sound wonderfully humble to others, but before God it is an attitude of defiance.

Conversely, the things that sound humble before God may sound exactly the opposite to people. To say,“Thank God, I know I am saved and sanctified,” is in God’s eyes the purest expression of humility. It means you have so completely surrendered yourself to God that you know He is true. Never worry about whether what you say sounds humble before others or not. But always be humble before God, and allow Him to be your all in all.

There is only one relationship that really matters, and that is your personal relationship to your personal Redeemer and Lord. If you maintain that at all costs, letting everything else go, God will fulfill His purpose through your life. One individual life may be of priceless value to God’s purposes, and yours may be that life.

Wisdom from Oswald Chambers
The Bible is a relation of facts, the truth of which must be tested. Life may go on all right for a while, when suddenly a bereavement comes, or some crisis; unrequited love or a new love, a disaster, a business collapse, or a shocking sin, and we turn up our Bibles again and God’s word comes straight home, and we say,“Why, I never saw that there before.” Shade of His Hand,

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#406032 Nov 30, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
See my post #405782.
I really don't understand why evangelicals and fundamentalists think "the gospel" can be condensed to a single paragraph bandied about in some slogan. If that were the case, why bother with a bible?
~~~

The Bible is about

Learning about Jesus...

Question...

Have you ever considered how little the Thief on the cross had to go through to be accepted by Christ into paradise..

Have you ever given any considered that Jesus never mentioned any of the calisthenics that the Roman Catholic Church requires for a person to become "A Catholic"....
(NOTE HERE I DID NOT SAY TO BECOME "A CHRISTIAN."

BECOMING A CATHOLIC DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN BECOMING A CHRISTIAN,,

DON'T YOU KNOW?

ALL CATHOLICS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS ...NEITHER ARE ALL PROTESTANTS Christians ...

JESUS SAID

Mat_7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

THE EXAMPLES FROM GOD'S WORD IS ...

Act_16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

YOU CARNAL MINDED MANIPULATORS WANT TO ADD TO IT AND MAKE IT COMPLICATED...

BECAUSE YOU CANNOT HAVE FAITH ENOUGH TO BELIEVE WHAT GOD'S WORD SAYS.

AND YOUR CHURCH WANTS TO CONTROL...CREATE RITUALS, AND MAKE GOD'S PLAN

OF SALVATION A WALL OF WORKS TO CLIMB ..INSTEAD OF SIMPLE FAITH..

~~~

WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE...The unmerited favor of God

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:

it is the gift of God:

NOTE...

ONE DOES NOT HAVE TO WORK FOR A GIFT..

Our works are A LABOR OF LOVE ...TOWARD GOD..BECAUSE .... HE HAS GIVEN US THE GIFT OF SALVATION

Rom_4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Rom_5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Rom_5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

YOU DEVALUE THE GIFT WHEN WE ATTEMPT TO ADD OUR OWN CARNAL WORKS TO GOD'S ETERNAL PLAN OF SALVATION..

NO CORRUPTIBLE MAN... CAN ADD TO THE SINLESS SACRIFICE... JESUS GAVE FOR US...AT CALVARY

AND NO MAN CAN TAKE AWAY FROM THE VALUE..OF THE GIFT, OF THE BLOOD.

OF JESUS...WHAT EVER HE ATTEMPTS TO ADD OR SUBTRACT IS IS FRUITLESS,

calisthenics, THAT ARE OF NO ETERNAL CONSEQUENCES..

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#406033 Nov 30, 2012
who="Truth"
Hey Preston,
If I may....
Philip could NOT impart the POWER of the Holy Spirit to others.
Acts 8:13
13 Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere,[[[[[astonished by the ~~~~~great signs and miracles~~~~~ HE SAW.]]]]]
Only the apostles had the ability to impart the POWER of the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands.
Acts 8:14
14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God,~~~~~they sent Peter and John to Samaria.~~~~~
The apostles sent Peter and John....
Why????
Only by the laying on of the apostles' hands was the POWER of the Holy Spirit given.
Preston, look at this verse carefully:
Acts 8:18
18 When Simon <<<SAW>>> that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money.
Now, do we see the ~miraculous powers~ being performed today???
NO!!!
WHY???
The ~~~miraculous powers~~~ CEASED to continue once those who had been given this POWER DIED as the POWER could not be passed on.

**********

Check out your teachers, Truth. That is just an excuse people use to 'explain' why 'they' themselves have no power. God is just as real today as He was in Acts 2.

This promise (of the Holy Ghost is "FOR YOU, AND FOR YOUR CHILDREN, AND FOR THOSE AFAR OFF (TODAY), AS MANY AS THE LORD OUR GOD SHALL CALL."

Seek and ask...you will find...
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#406034 Nov 30, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Have to understand your baptisms, 7th...
Acts 10:46-47
46 For they heard them ~~~speaking in tongues~~~ and praising God.
Then Peter said,
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.[[[[[They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”]]]]] going back to Acts Chapter 2.....APOSTLES
YES MAM AND I DO......LOL

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#406035 Nov 30, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Robert,
If God says with "YOUR MOUTH" then that is what He means....
We do not have the authority to charge that....an infant cannot confess with THEIR MOUTH....
Confessing Christ is so important....
"Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also CONFESS BEFORE MY FATHER who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before my Father who is in heaven."
We surely want Jesus to CONFESS us before our Father who is in heaven....
If we deny Christ and not CONFESS with OUR MOUTHS, then we are going to be lost....
Look how important this is:
"For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when he comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels."
An infant/small child cannot understand all of this....
Listen to the Apostle Peter:
"Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven."
What Christ pleased by his confession???
ABSOLUTELY!!!
No disrespect but I do not see how anyone can justify infant/small child's baptism....
Truth good friend

Ah....fine point....A quick response if one is dumb, they cannot confess in a literal sense. If they have no arms, they cannot confess in writing....So how could one then confess with the mouth?

A baby in unable to speak, and write.

For your point they could not literally be saved....So we go to a mental affirmation(confession), and if one cannot affirm(confess) mentally it goes to a spiritual confession....

Thus preaching to one in a coma, they may still spiritually confess, and be saved....Consider John the Baptist while in the womb "leaped" when in the presence of Jesus in the womb....Luke 1:44
"For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy."

We all have defects, of the body, mind, and spirit....That is why a confession takes place

Consider more deeply John the Baptist, facing death, heard from Jesus the news in Matthew 11:5

"The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them."

These are not only physical, but mental and spiritual defects. So the basis for what you say is "confession of the mouth" actually has a deeper meaning....

That is why a baby can be baptised, or someone in a coma, or someone dumb,....etc.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406036 Nov 30, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
The Bible is about
Learning about Jesus...
No. The Bible is about many things, Jesus is just one topic.

But your 60 years of servitude didn't seem to teach you that the OT is a Jewish book, did it - which has nothing to do with Jesus.

Please remember that the NT was created - "as a new covenant" and disposes of the old [the OT].

So in essence, the NT is about Jesus only.

What is no longer true in the Bible?
preston

Waverly, OH

#406037 Nov 30, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Truth"
Hey Preston,
If I may....
Philip could NOT impart the POWER of the Holy Spirit to others.
Acts 8:13
13 Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere,[[[[[astonished by the ~~~~~great signs and miracles~~~~~ HE SAW.]]]]]
Only the apostles had the ability to impart the POWER of the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands.
Acts 8:14
14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God,~~~~~they sent Peter and John to Samaria.~~~~~
The apostles sent Peter and John....
Why????
Only by the laying on of the apostles' hands was the POWER of the Holy Spirit given.
Preston, look at this verse carefully:
Acts 8:18
18 When Simon <<<SAW>>> that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money.
Now, do we see the ~miraculous powers~ being performed today???
NO!!!
WHY???
The ~~~miraculous powers~~~ CEASED to continue once those who had been given this POWER DIED as the POWER could not be passed on.
**********
Check out your teachers, Truth. That is just an excuse people use to 'explain' why 'they' themselves have no power. God is just as real today as He was in Acts 2.
This promise (of the Holy Ghost is "FOR YOU, AND FOR YOUR CHILDREN, AND FOR THOSE AFAR OFF (TODAY), AS MANY AS THE LORD OUR GOD SHALL CALL."
Seek and ask...you will find...
the thread is actually not about "POWER" per se.

how about addressing the real problem that he and others have and it concerns the doctrine of people receiving the Holy Ghost(forget about Power)when they get saved, when the bible indicates otherwise.

and I am certain that you along with your wife have seen people get Baptised with the Holy Ghost, without any Prests being involved.

and no smart alec remarks, be serious or be quiet.

this is the Bible and the Holy Ghost we are discussing.

they deserve that respect.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406038 Nov 30, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Truth"
God is just as real today as He was in Acts 2.
...and you will provide some sort of proof of this claim?

Maybe you should take a chance and promote your so-called "evidence" on this other very popular Topix Forum.

I personally don't think you will last 5 minutes in there.

That is probably why you haven't presented your theory, but just boasting you "know God" and what "He" can and can't do.

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
preston

Waverly, OH

#406039 Nov 30, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth good friend
Ah....fine point....A quick response if one is dumb, they cannot confess in a literal sense. If they have no arms, they cannot confess in writing....So how could one then confess with the mouth?
A baby in unable to speak, and write.
For your point they could not literally be saved....
Robert, why would you try and equate a person who may have a physical handicap and not be able to speak to that of a baby.

I have a friend who can not speak yet was one of the finest dancers in our group, something(dance) that no infant could do.

so if leon got Saved(he isnt, tho his son in law is a Preacher), God would know it, wouldnt He?

no one would have to tell God, sabe?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406040 Nov 30, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth good friend
Ah....fine point....A quick response if one is dumb, they cannot confess in a literal sense. If they have no arms, they cannot confess in writing....So how could one then confess with the mouth?
A baby in unable to speak, and write.
For your point they could not literally be saved....So we go to a mental affirmation(confession), and if one cannot affirm(confess) mentally it goes to a spiritual confession....
Thus preaching to one in a coma, they may still spiritually confess, and be saved....Consider John the Baptist while in the womb "leaped" when in the presence of Jesus in the womb....Luke 1:44
"For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy."
We all have defects, of the body, mind, and spirit....That is why a confession takes place
Consider more deeply John the Baptist, facing death, heard from Jesus the news in Matthew 11:5
"The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them."
These are not only physical, but mental and spiritual defects. So the basis for what you say is "confession of the mouth" actually has a deeper meaning....
That is why a baby can be baptised, or someone in a coma, or someone dumb,....etc.
"For your point they could not literally be saved....So we go to a mental affirmation(confession), and if one cannot affirm(confess) mentally it goes to a spiritual confession....
Thus preaching to one in a coma, they may still spiritually confess, and be saved...."

*pictures Robert spinning around like a top*

That was purty.

All you had to say was "Self", but you just couldn't bring it to openly say it, huh?

What are you afraid of?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#406041 Nov 30, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>That is not the case with me brother! I have seen the transformation in your posts as to what God can do in a man like you. Praise God for His dealings with you,and what He has accomplished in and through you. If Paul the Apostle called himself a s l a v e of Christ,it is because he knew that our attitude toward Jesus should be as a slave who does everything to serve his master. However in the case of our Lord and Brother Jesus we are more than slaves,but brothers with Him,that is so wondrous isn't it?
The whole issue of slavery is really quite hard for us who never knew it to understand.We were slaves to sin though,and that can be how we identify with slavery as free men and women.
Did you see Lincoln yet? The movie of course. It is worth seeing if you haven't.
Pad good friend

I have been studying the issue lately about slavery. The word "slavery/servant" was hard to translate from the Hebrew into English....

In O.T., times, the term slavery was held in two basic meanings, the first as an indentured servant....someone would pay off their debts by becoming a "slave", and secondly when a country conquered another, the people became "slaves"( and in order to keep rebellions from happening, punishment was inflicted).

Actually, our term for slavery as we understand it today was forbidden in the O.T. That it was punishable by death to trade slaves!
preston

Waverly, OH

#406042 Nov 30, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
...and you will provide some sort of proof of this claim?
Maybe you should take a chance and promote your so-called "evidence" on this other very popular Topix Forum.
I personally don't think you will last 5 minutes in there.
That is probably why you haven't presented your theory, but just boasting you "know God" and what "He" can and can't do.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
perhaps jesus was talking about them and you?

Matthew 15:14

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