Do you think that salvation is ALL there is to Christianity? Your question shows a definate lack of thinking and understanding as to what all the bible and Christianity consist of. As I am sure I have stated before you do not understand the difference between salvation and discipleship.<quoted text>
See my post #405782.
I really don't understand why evangelicals and fundamentalists think "the gospel" can be condensed to a single paragraph bandied about in some slogan. If that were the case, why bother with a bible?
#405963 Nov 30, 2012
#405964 Nov 30, 2012
That is not the case with me brother! I have seen the transformation in your posts as to what God can do in a man like you. Praise God for His dealings with you,and what He has accomplished in and through you. If Paul the Apostle called himself a s l a v e of Christ,it is because he knew that our attitude toward Jesus should be as a slave who does everything to serve his master. However in the case of our Lord and Brother Jesus we are more than slaves,but brothers with Him,that is so wondrous isn't it?
The whole issue of slavery is really quite hard for us who never knew it to understand.We were slaves to sin though,and that can be how we identify with slavery as free men and women.
Did you see Lincoln yet? The movie of course. It is worth seeing if you haven't.
#405965 Nov 30, 2012
hey people, if you disagree. fine.
BUT BE AN ADULT AND ADDRESS ME INSTEAD OF HIDING BEHIND AN ICON.
IF you disagree, then tell me why and show me how that I am wrong.
that is why this is a forum so people can share ideas.
so if you need to use those icons in the future it will be because you are unable to match wits and Bible knowledge with me.
#405966 Nov 30, 2012
Whitehouse and Congress are willing to go anyplace to avoid “fiscal cliff” except; Complying with USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.
Demands every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.
This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
#405967 Nov 30, 2012
Stop the diversion. Of course something happened when so many people starred at the sun. Everyone saw something different. Some saw nothing at all.
"Not surprisingly, perhaps, Sun Miracles have been reported at other Marian sites—at Lubbock, Texas, in 1989; Mother Cabrini Shrine near Denver, Colorado, in 1992; Conyers, Georgia, in the early to mid-1990s". Nickell also suggests that the dancing effects witnessed at Fatima may have been due to optical effects resulting from temporary retinal distortion caused by staring at such an intense light"
Beyond the immediate area, nowhere else in the world was anything seen.
But that wasn't the point. The point is how the Vatican used three hysterical country girls for their own purposes.
In the process of making up lies for political purposes, they made Mary out to be demanding, threatening, and shameless.
#405968 Nov 30, 2012
A dancing sun is one thing.
Flat out lies are another.
Secret #1... Mary terrifies 3 little girls.
Secret #2... Vatican makes up absurd demands by Mary, which just happen to lend spiritual support for Hitler's recent invasion of commie Russia.
Mary is NOT a demanding, threatening, narcissist. The Vatican lies.
Secret #3... A big yawner, because the Vatican learned its lesson with their previous lies
#405969 Nov 30, 2012
why dont you take this spam elsewhere? no one reads it or cares what you have to say.
you are even on a local topix forum
#405970 Nov 30, 2012
The word "gospel" means good news. If you're disappointed with my saying that the gospel is the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ, well, I guess I'm not very good at using slogans.
Would you rather I just pasted St. Peter's exhortation in Acts 2 here? Or does your faith community have an abridged version? I love what he says. Incidently, it supports the idea that he was the leader of the apostles, the necessity of baptism, infant baptism, etc.
#405971 Nov 30, 2012
Robert writes "... how much more progressive God is in dealing with slavery"
No Robert, "progressive" would be God condemning the immorality of slavery, period.
But if your god can only make it relatively less cruel than other cultures (in your mind only, btw), then you are referring to a weak, waffling god.
Maybe the same god who couldn't destroy chariots because they were made of iron?
#405972 Nov 30, 2012
Well show me the statement you are in reference to. I would love to see Peter's reference to infant baptism.
#405973 Nov 30, 2012
Anthony: You didn't answer the questions. Stop diverting and answer the questions. Here, I will give you another chance.
Anthony MN wrote:
Baptism doesn't guarantee salvation. No, I don't think the bad popes, if they died unrepentent, are in heaven. Many self-described 'born again' and 'saved' evangelicals are ungodly and unchristian. That's why belief in OSAS is so dangerous.
RESPONSE:...Interesting. Then what do you believe was the state of the RCC during the reign of these ungodly men? Do you believe that a non-christian is indwelt with the holy Spirit? Do you believe that the Holy Spirit guides lost people? Do you believe that one of these lost,unchristian people could be the 'VICAR of CHRIST'? ce..........
#405974 Nov 30, 2012
Hmmm, No, I would say that you are not very good at telling the good news. Or do you have any?
Since: Dec 06
#405975 Nov 30, 2012
How convenient....Demons draw us to darkness, because they are a part of us? You give no thought about free-will....
Well, if you can't blame Satan, blame demons....
Being responsible, and doing the right thing is not always apparently profitable. It could get you crucified. Jesus is salvation.
#405976 Nov 30, 2012
The Roman Catholic Gospel(the GOOD news)......... IF someone poors water on my head when I am an infant, and IF I grow up in the Catholic Church, and IF I go to confirmation, and IF I keep the commandments, and IF I go to confession at least once a year, and IF I partake in all of the sacriments, and IF I pray the rosery, and IF I don't die with any mortal sin, then I MIGHT go to Purgatory for hundreds, or thousands, or millions of years(no one knows for sure), and if anyone remembers to keep praying for me to get out of Purgatory, then I MIGHT get to go to heaven. Is that the GOOD NEWS of Roman Catholicism?
Since: Dec 06
#405977 Nov 30, 2012
Key word...."if", and "then" are statements of logic, not speculation....
So prove that a circle is a square....Your faith and logic is wrong.
So prove that a stick has one end....Your faith and logic is wrong.
So prove that free-will doesn't exist....Your faith and logic is wrong.
I say a circle is not a square.
I say a stick has two ends.
I say free-will means there is good and evil.
You are lost in deep darkness.
#405978 Nov 30, 2012
I'm not sure I understand your question. Salvation is, in fact, the point of "Christianity".
#405979 Nov 30, 2012
"Do penance: and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins. And you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, whomsoever the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with very many other words did he testify and exhort them, saying: Save yourselves from this perverse generation. 41 They therefore that received his word were baptized: and there were added in that day about three thousand souls."
“What are you looking at?”
Since: Jan 08
#405980 Nov 30, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
You don't get it.
Supposedly - "God" gives permission to another entity to allow abuse of "His" child.
First off, if your "God" allowed this, then it is a game to "Him".
If your "God" was loving, then he would have 'smited' "Satan" immediately, but oh no....."He" allows the abuse to go on.
Unfortunately, you and other so-called "Christians" play the "persistence of faith in God" card.
Our Father doesn't do this, especially being a "being of love".
But you are still in a frame of mind that includes "pain and torture", "destruction", and "abuse" to an individual, so he can show that he will not waver fromt he ordeal, and instead wait for the positives to come after all is said and done ('the game'), without seeing any alternatives.
Most men are not like this. And also IMO - the allegoric symbolism is not "literal".
This is what men have told you to believe - and you've accepted it.
I'm not sure why you just can't believe that all men have "demons" that plummet us. Did you ever think that this is the symbolism that the story refers to?
- we all can overcome difficulty if we are persistant in our stance and there can be a reward at the end of the difficult tasks - if one seeks it out.
Only we can destroy our own life, otherwise, "God" would be stepping in more often. In one instance, would be allowing a little girl to get home, before she froze to death.
You aren't using logic in your faith.
Honest - yes.
I wrote, as above, "I'm not sure why you just can't believe that all men have "demons" that plummet us. Did you ever think that this is the symbolism that the story refers to?"
"demons" = vices, addictions, challenges we go through.
We are all haunted by things we've done, or even may apply to our current life activities. Since you taken the word to have a literal meaning, as you seem to be a "literalist" when it comes to the Bible, then I will have to beg your pardon, and stop discussing these issues we all have to face, in order to get to some sort of "salvation".
You seem to not have any "demons", so I guess you are already like Job - righteous.
#405981 Nov 30, 2012
Sorry Anthony, but there is no infant baptism here.
"Do penance and be baptized". Infants can't do that.
"The promise is to you and you children and to those that are (far off)[those who haven't even been born yet]". They aren't to be baptised now either. He is talking about the generations You,your children and those far off.(your children's children and so on.)
"THEY that RECIEVED HIS WORD were baptised" no infants here.
#405982 Nov 30, 2012
I know that you disagree with me and that is fine...I respect you for that....
Just a little message for you:
38 Whoever [believes] in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”
39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.
***Believes = will receive
***Will receive what = Holy Spirit (later to receive)
***Spirit had not been given = Jesus had not yet been glorified
A promise that was foretold by scriptures:
3 For I will pour water on the thirsty land,
and streams on the dry ground;
I will pour out my Spirit on your offspring,
and my blessing on your descendants.
The Holy Spirit was given after the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ to the right hand of the Father and was glorified.
Book of Acts Chapter 1 & 2, he (God) sent forth the Spirit upon His apostles on the day of Pentecost.(No water and no blood required)
God speaking through the Apostle Peter:
38 Peter replied,“Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Why in the name of Jesus Christ???
Jesus' blood (spiritual)
Why be baptized???
For the forgiveness of your sins
And receive what???
The gift of the Holy Spirit
Because the Holy Spirit had already been poured out and Jesus had already been glorified.
32 We (APOSTLES) are ~~~~~witnesses of these things,~~~~~ and [[[[[so is the Holy Spirit,]]]]]****whom God has given to those who obey him.”*****
God working in baptism....ABSOLUTELY!!!
9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but <<<<<are in the realm of the Spirit,>>>>> if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you.*****And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.*****
10 ~~~~~But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to DEATH~~~~~ because of <SIN,> [[[[[the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.]]]]]
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