Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#405916 Nov 29, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="4GVN" Then what does baptism do? And what does gaurantee salvation?
**********
"BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ and you SHALL be saved."
"Shalt" in Greek is better interpreted 'MUST' or 'WILL HAVE TO BE'.
In other words, if you truly believe on Him, you MUST or WILL HAVE TO BE SAVED.
God doesn't make it impossible for us to 'come home'...
KayMarie
Agree K. On the contrary He makes it so EASY. And why wouldn't He, It is His desire for us to be saved. In fact He went to 'great pains' to allow us to come to Him. So how foolish would it be for us to think that He would now somehow want to make it difficult?
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#405917 Nov 29, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
The bible does not error! It may, at times, seem to contradict itself but that is because those "self-interpreting teachers, preachers and lay-people "pull and extract" bible verses out of context, to "make them mean ONLY what they want them to mean!" The TRUE INTERPRETATION OF the BIBLE was handed down to all Christians by the Early Church Fathers, who formed the Canon of Scripture in 382, 393, and 397 AD. The TRUTH begins with Jesus establishing HIS One True Church in Matthew 16:13-21, the same Church that is mentioned over 30 times in the New Testament---the same Church that begin with the 1st Church in Antioch--Acts 2--the same
Church that (again) is spoken of in Acts 2 as an authoritative, heirarchical, visible Church with Bishops, priests,deacons and elders---the same Church that was expanded (in Pauls writings) to Corrinth, Galacia, Ephesus, Colosse, Thessalonica and on and on recorded throughout Sacred Church History. The TRUTH begins with God, through His Son Jesus Christ (in the unity of the Holy Spirit)---then through Jesus' Church from the "unwritten word of Traditions" passed down by Jesus to His Apostles to the expansion of HIS One True Catholic Church--the Bride of Christ.
And where is that HOHO?
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#405918 Nov 29, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Which brings us back around full circle to the issue os WHAT IS THE GOSPEL. Can you lay it out for me? That is probably the area of misunderstanding.
Anthony>>>////???
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#405919 Nov 29, 2012
marge wrote:
Did you all know the word holiday is from the word holy day?
Call it a holy day tree and see what people say:)
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#405920 Nov 29, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Baptism doesn't guarantee salvation. No, I don't think the bad popes, if they died unrepentent, are in heaven. Many self-described 'born again' and 'saved' evangelicals are ungodly and unchristian. That's why belief in OSAS is so dangerous.
RESPONSE:...Interesting. Then what do you believe was the state of the RCC during the reign of these ungodly men? Do you believe that a non-christian is indwelt with the holy Spirit? Do you believe that the Holy Spirit guides lost people? Do you believe that one of these lost,unchristian people could be the 'VICAR of CHRIST'?
truth

Perth, Australia

#405921 Nov 29, 2012
if they find out
this world not will be exist and much more..byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Since: Nov 08

usa

#405922 Nov 30, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't need to PROVE IT to especially, you Jethro!~! Since you are so "indoctrinated and obsessed" with your ant-catholic sources of Church History, it is a total waste of my time"..... The Holy Spirit, through His Son Jesus, the Bible and TRUE APOSTOLIC CHURCH HISTORY has proven to me (and to the other 1.168 Billion Catholics around the world) that God, Jesus and the Catholic Church are united in the TRUTH of the One TRUE Faith and Salvation in Jesus Christ, in the FULLNESS of the faith and the TRUTH and in Our Lords Sacrificial gift of the Eucharist---and that is ALL THE TRUTH that I need to know!...... Again--believe what you want! Makes no difference to me!......... Other than praying for your heart, mind and soul that God will "open your eyes to the TRUTH" of His One True Catholic Church---you are wasting my time with your anti-catholic (heretical history)
thank you,you gave me the answer i expected,you can not prove a thing,and the history i post is factual,multiple sourced truth,on the other hand what you post has no truth or historical support,other wise you would of posted it,instead of putting me down,and not giving me a straight answer. thank you for proving me right.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#405923 Nov 30, 2012
01Dec12.....

.....WHO made the dirt!!!

Ps:...This is NOT a trick question.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405924 Nov 30, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
Jesus said that no man could come unto Himself, except the Father draw him. He also said that if He be lifted up, He would draw all men unto Himself. "I and My Father are one," He declared. Just because you can't see Him drawing, doesn't mean that it is not done.
You are resisting His drawing.
Ignore all you want. Go ahead, try to baffle me with BS! Go ahead! I probably never read the bible!

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
confrinting with the word wrote:
NO man could write a Book such as the Bible. Even if there were no God, the Bible is the greatest Book ever given to man. It is the source of wisdom, prosperity, health, and all else that we need.
KayMarie
You mean like this:
Deuteronomy 22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

Do you or anyone you know go looking for "tokens of virginity"?

You may have noticed that god is very interested in girls' virginity, but not so much in the boys. Why is that?

But your god does love the boys' foreskin!

1 Samuel 18:25
And Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to be avenged of the king's enemies. But Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines.

Any idea why foreskins were such a big deal to god in the early part of the bible, but not in the later parts?

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405925 Nov 30, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
01Dec12.....
.....WHO made the dirt!!!
Ps:...This is NOT a trick question.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Who loves foreskins?

Ps:...This is NOT a trick question.

Who says that it is OK to murder a slave?

Ps:...This is NOT a trick question.
endtime

AOL

#405926 Nov 30, 2012
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Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#405927 Nov 30, 2012
What is the percentage of priests who are abnormals and sex perverts?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#405928 Nov 30, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth good friend
When one is baptised in water, aren't sins washed away?
That inludes, past, present, and future....How far into the past?
Two questions:
What about original sin?(Isn't it in the nature of fallen man to sin?)
When does one start to sin after they are born.? Day one, day 8, day 10...?
I think where I am going with these questions is that it is the Grace of God that saves.
Another way to put it is that God's Faithfulness is vaster than the Creation, and man's faithfulness is at best but a mustard seed....
Why can't you believe that a baby cannot be baptised and saved? Have the faith of a mustard seed?
Do you think it is the water that washes sins away?
Robert...thank you for being so respectful....

You wrote:

When one is baptised in water, aren't sins washed away?

Yes, that is what baptism is for...plus, you receive a gift from God...the "gift" of the Holy Spirit aka the "indwelling" of the Holy Spirit...Acts 2:38...

You wrote:

That inludes, past, present, and future....How far into the past?

Until you know the difference between good and bad...right and wrong...or understand what sin is....SIN IS AN ACT COMMITTED BY THE INDIVIDUAL....

Deuteronomy 1:39

39 And the <<<little ones>>> that you said would be taken captive,~~~your children who do not yet know good from bad~~~—they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.

If children are not old enough to decide against Christ, are they old enough to decide for Christ?

Can an infant/small child act on this with his heart?

Romans 10:9-10

9 If you declare with YOUR MOUTH,“Jesus is Lord,” and believe in YOUR heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

10 For it is with YOUR heart that YOU believe and are justified, and it is with YOUR MOUTH that you profess YOUR faith and are saved.

It DOES NOT say "father's mouth, mother's mouth, godfather's mouth, godmother's mouth, grandfather's mouth, or grandmother's mouth....it says YOUR MOUTH.

You wrote:

What about original sin?

This is where you fall into false teachings as there is NO such thing as original sin...

We DO NOT INHERIT the SINS of our fathers...

Ezekiel 18:18-20

18 <<<<<But his father will die for his own sin,>>>>> because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his people.

19 “Yet you ask,‘Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live.

20 ~~~~~The one who sins is the one who will die.~~~~~[[[[The child will NOT share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child.]]]]] <<<<<The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.>>>>>

You wrote:

When does one start to sin after they are born?

When they know the difference between good and bad, right and wrong, and they have been TAUGHT what SIN is.....

Robert...would you let your 12 or 13 year old child get married???

I know my answer would be NO...

Marriage involves a lifelong commitment to your spouse that God has joined together....

It is the same with baptism....baptism involves a lifelong commitment to God....one commits for life to the God, who has joined together....

If your 12 or 13 year old child would not understand the commitment about marriage, then how would this same child understand the nature of such a commitment to God?

BOTH MARRIAGE AND BAPTISM ARE VERY SERIOUS COMMITMENTS!!!

We (as parents) are responsible for teaching our children when it comes to the seriousness of these commitments.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#405929 Nov 30, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth good friend
When one is baptised in water, aren't sins washed away?
That inludes, past, present, and future....How far into the past?
Two questions:
What about original sin?(Isn't it in the nature of fallen man to sin?)
When does one start to sin after they are born.? Day one, day 8, day 10...?
I think where I am going with these questions is that it is the Grace of God that saves.
Another way to put it is that God's Faithfulness is vaster than the Creation, and man's faithfulness is at best but a mustard seed....
Why can't you believe that a baby cannot be baptised and saved? Have the faith of a mustard seed?
Do you think it is the water that washes sins away?
Look at this verse, Robert...

Numbers 5:31

31 The husband will be <<<innocent>> > of any wrongdoing, but the woman will ~BEAR~ the *consequences* of her sin.’”

Sin is an act committed by the individual...
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#405930 Nov 30, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Ignore all you want. Go ahead, try to baffle me with BS! Go ahead! I probably never read the bible!
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
<quoted text>
You mean like this:
Deuteronomy 22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
Do you or anyone you know go looking for "tokens of virginity"?
You may have noticed that god is very interested in girls' virginity, but not so much in the boys. Why is that?
But your god does love the boys' foreskin!
1 Samuel 18:25
And Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to be avenged of the king's enemies. But Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines.
Any idea why foreskins were such a big deal to god in the early part of the bible, but not in the later parts?
TBS asks -- "Any idea why foreskins were such a big deal to god in the early part of the bible, but not in the later parts?"

Yes.
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#405931 Nov 30, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Could it be that "the gates of hell" are on this forum speaking out against Jesus Christs One True Church!(In Matthew 16:18 Jesus said that "the gates of hell will not prevail (against His Church). If there is any "trash talking" on this forum, from the very beginning, it has been from Protestants, agnostics and athiests (like you) who are "consistently, beligerently and obnoxiously, condemning, judging, attacking and distorting the TRUTH against the Catholic Church, what it believes and what it teaches, and proclaims as the TRUTH!!! Don't expect me to "pat you on the back" when you and others distort the TRUTH and attack our Catholic Faith as well as my personal relationship to Jesus Christ.
Why do your amazing insights cause you to hold so much hatred for most Americans?

I say again -- why not walk your talk and live in a society that has a majority of "good" Catholics like yourself, and much fewer hated Prots?

When does a person like yourself put your beliefs in action?

Answer: never, because deep inside, you realize the absurdity.

So keep blowing smoke.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#405932 Nov 30, 2012
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>thank you,you gave me the answer i expected,you can not prove a thing,and the history i post is factual,multiple sourced truth,
Oh, you mean "your own" (cherry picked) distorted and bogus sources of 21st century "anti-catholic (so-called history) that is laced with heresy, exaggerations and inaccuracies.! Factual??? Yes--to you whose "only" mission is to attempt to "undermine the truth" of TRUE and AUTHENTICATED Church History! Unsuccessful and "desperate" Anti-catholic heretics like you (others) have "come and gone" for over 2000 years, YET the CHURCH LIVES ON----just like it will CONTINUE to do, despite people like you!!!
preston

Waverly, OH

#405933 Nov 30, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Robert...thank you for being so respectful....
You wrote:
When one is baptised in water, aren't sins washed away?
Yes, that is what baptism is for...plus, you receive a gift from God...the "gift" of the Holy Spirit aka the "indwelling" of the Holy Spirit...Acts 2:38...
sorry, Hank, but the Bible experiences indicate otherwise. those who received the Holy Ghost were Baptised after they had received that gift. Why is that?

My Experience(John 7:39) which is Biblical also proves that a person doesnt receive the Holy Ghost when they are Baptised in water since mine occurred 9 months and 1 days before I was Baptised in water.

tho Acts 2:38 says to repent, be Baptised and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, at no time is Peter indicating at a certain time when this Experience of this indwelling will occurr.

go by what the Bible clearly indicates ,and that is that no indwelling ever occurred when any person in the Bible was Baptsied.

and not what your church or any other church teaches. go by what the Bible clearly shows.I know what you have been taught and you believe that you have been taught correctly but your teachings and everybody elses teaching must conform to the examples given to us by God Himself.

I know the Bible says that Baptism washes away sin, but it doesnt.it is clearly misunderstood by many. it takes the Blood of Jesus to do that

I saw this article, you might enjoy reading it.http://www.answers2prayer.o rg/bible_questions/Answers/bap tism/wash_away.html

It is clear here that baptism doesn’t wash away sin, but is an outward declaration that we want to live with Jesus who is the only one who can forgive our sins. It cannot be intended that the external rite of baptism was sufficient to make you pure, but that it was an ordinance appointed by Jesus as a public expression of the washing away of sins, or of the purification of the heart.

Forgiveness of sins is obtained solely through faith in the Lord Jesus, Acts 10:43:”All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."

Baptism is the visible sign of this. Paul summarizes this beautifully in 1 Cor 6:11:“And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”

I like this testimony.

Water baptism is symbolic to the cleansing that must take place in the heart. The actual baptism is your outward expression to show the world that you are now united with Christ because your heart has changed and will continue to hold fast to that which God has told us.(Romans 10:9 -10)

There are only two prerequisites to the cleansing of sin: You must believe in your heart and confess with you mouth that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. With the mouth confession is made and with the heart belief is made. The heart is circumcised into the newness of your new life. Just as Jesus was baptized, so too should we be baptized to show that we are one of His. This says to the world that we are not ashamed of the Gospel for it is the power of salvation to the Jews and to the Gentiles. Thank God for His amazing Grace.

There is but one thing that can wash away our sins: The Blood of Jesus which was shed at Calvary on Golgotha's Hill. The thief on the cross that asked Jesus to remember him was given these words by Jesus, "This day you will be with me in Paradise." He was not baptized. We are baptized out of obedience to the command given by Jesus. We are baptized because we love Him and we want to be like Him. There is power in the Blood. Jesus said "I came to seek and to save them that are lost. All we have to do is to open up and invite Him in and He will come in. Salvation is a free gift to us; all we have to do is invite Jesus in.

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Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#405934 Nov 30, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
We showed you time and time and time again, the Catholic Church learned about Fatima just like everybody else. From the Portuguese media.
You (of course) ignore everything presented to you, because you're a gay bigot who hates the Catholic Church. You proved to to be the biggest moron on this thread. I watch you get embarrassed one day. Then wake up the next like nothing happened. Carrying on looking stupid.
Hey, could you tell us that cute story about how your parents made you go to church every Sunday. But when your protestant friend wanted to go with, they said no!! Lol. I found that weird, because last year you said you JUST found out you were baptized catholic but weren't raised in the faith. Oops. It helps to not lie so you don't get caught..
Angry little name-caller, you are once again confused and can only resort to lies in order to avert attention to the truth.

FACT -- The Catholic church obtained their information directly from the source, but kept it quiet for 24 years -- because???

FACT -- Then well after WW2 had begun, the RCC released this "amazing message" from Mary a few weeks after Mussolini's allies invaded Russia.

FACT -- In 1917, Mary supposedly threatened the world with WW2 unless, but the world is not informed until after the fact!!!

QUESTION -- Why would the RCC sit on such a warning to the world, until it was politically useful to them, thus allowing 50 million humans die per Mary supposed vengeance.

ANSWER -- the same reason the RCC sat on the "3rd Secret" for decades longer. It was all baloney and they knew it. But in their zeal, they turned Mary into a shameless, threatening narcissist.

YOUR CHURCH LIED. Mary never caused WW2. Mary never caused millions of innocent Chinese to be killed. Mary never caused millions of innocent Russian peasants to be killed. The RCC was just using Mary to appease Mussolini and his best buddy -- and to further their own agenda.

Shameful and evil, just like child sex abuse. Too bad your so-called church is so immoral.
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#405935 Nov 30, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
You aren't confused FM - although you do bring up specific points that are valid when debunking a belief and to show how it is unfounded.
Keep it up - you are most welcome here.
Thank you NASL. That is why I (and others) are hated and persecuted here.

I tell the truth.

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