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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#405956 Nov 30, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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I wonder... How does one find out something that they don't know? Maybe a little research would do the trick? Naw! Maybe some self-adulation would work?
Why would I worry about what you think of my writings? You don't seem to worry too much about what the bible says; unless of course it agrees with your point of view, then it is as if god is speaking directly to you! But if you do not like it; then there is something wrong with the reader, the translation, or some other such bullshit.
No worries. I will just quote your god.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
TBS

Being correctly educated is a problem....
When a person judges from experience and an incorrect education, the result is the quandry you find yourself in....Thus you can't research out the truth, and everything just "seems", or is an "opinion".

I am not worried about your writings. I am not worried about the Bible. But your answer, as you write..., "seem" to think I am.

I am in your debt however, as I am appreciating how much more progressive God is in dealing with "slavery" contrasted with other cultures at the time this verse(you like so much,lol)/law was given....Just a note, slavery as we perceive the word today is not the same as when this law was written.(I would explain further, but...,

since what I write means nothing to you. I will keep silent.)

Since: Dec 06

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#405957 Nov 30, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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I know this post wasn't to me, but it did catch my eye as a helpful starting point for others.
It is good to ask questions.....but more importantly, it is also good to be able to understand them as well.
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How do you know this? Is this a perception you acquired through your studies of various cultures, or just throguh the CCC?
I don't think anyone can answer in the way you expect, unless they know the mind of "God", like you imply you do - so why express it with such veracity?
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WOW!! Where does this come from?
Citation please.
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If a little one never did anything to anyone, in order for it to be justified 'to be saved through baptism', what does it matter?
Are you thinking that baptism secures salvation for infants, until they can make their Confirmation of that baptism?
Wouldn't you think that "God", if the baby died before it was baptised, would still accept the baby, instead of "God" sending "His" new creation straight to some unfounded "place of torment"?
Doesn't sound like you have much 'faith' in your "God" to do the right thing at all.
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If you had used GoThomas, you will see that Jesus explains the meaning of the "seed":
(20)
(1) The disciples said to Jesus: "Tell us whom the kingdom of heaven is like!"
(2) He said to them: "It is like a mustard seed.
(3) <It> is the smallest of all seeds.
(4) But when it falls on cultivated soil, it produces a large branch (and) becomes shelter for the birds of the sky."
Do you have an different opinion of the meaning behind this seed?
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I don't. Water in many cultures and in antiquity represents:
- cleansing
- love
- purity
- life
NASL

Since you want this as a starting point for others, I will not comment.

:)
preston

Athens, OH

#405958 Nov 30, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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See my post #405782.
I really don't understand why evangelicals and fundamentalists think "the gospel" can be condensed to a single paragraph bandied about in some slogan. If that were the case, why bother with a bible?
that single paragraph should "fit" with the rest of the Bible, which is why the word "harmony" is used.
Pad

Fishers, IN

#405959 Nov 30, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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What, no stories about bad priests and the corrupt Catholic hierarchy?
This must be the "nice Dan" day....
I kind of gathered in my imagination that Anthony, you would have a sense of humor.God bless you bro for that. No It is not the "nice Dan day". I still will contend that the RCC is just one of the siblings of Christian siblings.I do not believe that anyone is perfect,but Christ.However given the Word,we have no excuse to walk in total darkness as some have who claimed they know Christ.No matter who is the perpetrator,or by what name or affiliation he or she goes by,sin is sin,and it takes away from the Body of Christ. That is fact!

However you are right about one thing Anthony,the gift of God in preaching or presenting truth is irrevocable,and unfortunately men and women who were called to serve God,sinned greatly bringing shame,but the truth neverthless was presented by them.There are so many cases of that in all expressions of Christian endeavor,in all centuries since the beginning of our faith in HIM,who purchased us all with a great price.

I do believe that the C h u r c h is the whole body of Christ,fitly joined together as ONE building of God,not of hands but of His testimony in the faithful who believe Him for His Word,that includes all affiliations.You are bound to one institution of "Church",and that is your choice,and joy if you will.But I will not forsake in my heart and mind the whole body,just to cling to one segment of it.Truth is given in all facets of Christian life,and we have the WORD which is the blueprint of His WILL to the whole of humanity.I love the whole church,not just one segment of it,no matter Anthony who big that segment is.Even if it dwarfs the rest,it still is just part.Because if the truth be known Anthony it is those who walk in truth and are changed by it who are HIS Body.

It is so important to know Him,and our right to Him is because He first loved us,and our response to His love changes us,EXCHANGED Lives!

Remember the words of Jesus Himself as he told the Samaritan woman that "Those who worship the Father must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth."

Well we know that in reading the entirety of the New Testament that the Spirit is the Holy Spirit,and the Truth is Christ.So we must worship our heavenly RATHER in the Holy Spirit and in His Dear Son,Jesus Christ.HE knows His own Anthony,and that is not restricted to a particular group,denomination or affiliation,but it is in the BLOOD of His Son which is seen on the door posts of human hearts who yield their lives to Christ,and receive His salvation!
preston

Athens, OH

#405960 Nov 30, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>that single paragraph should "fit" with the rest of the Bible, which is why the word "harmony" is used.
I used several verses in the NT to show that those in Samaria did not receive the Holy Ghost when they first believed and this is in harmony with those men in Ephesus who heard the gospel and believed and were Baptised yet had NOT received the Holy Ghost.

this also is in alignment with my own personal doctrine and beliefs, for two reasons.

it is how I received the Holy Ghost as a second definite Work of grace, and it is what the Bible Teaches.

therefore if adults who believed and didnt receive the Holy Ghost,while being Baptised.

how can a baby or an infant receive Him?

the answer is obvious, they cant and they dont.
Pad

Fishers, IN

#405961 Nov 30, 2012
FATHER not Rather. I think that I am becoming dislexic while typing these days.It is so easy to type errors.I use to type more than 50 words a minute,USE to that is the key here.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#405962 Nov 30, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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See my post #405782.
I really don't understand why evangelicals and fundamentalists think "the gospel" can be condensed to a single paragraph bandied about in some slogan. If that were the case, why bother with a bible?
Well Anthony, your response did not tell the gospel story. But even with your partial statement, I whould say that it would be enough to generate more questions from one who was honestly seeking truth and salvation. Perhaps it would benifit you to read the bible stories of the preaching in the N.T. and see what the GOSPEL (in a concise paragraph; bandied about in some slogan) WAS that brought salvation to thousands and thousands.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#405963 Nov 30, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
See my post #405782.
I really don't understand why evangelicals and fundamentalists think "the gospel" can be condensed to a single paragraph bandied about in some slogan. If that were the case, why bother with a bible?
Do you think that salvation is ALL there is to Christianity? Your question shows a definate lack of thinking and understanding as to what all the bible and Christianity consist of. As I am sure I have stated before you do not understand the difference between salvation and discipleship.
Pad

Fishers, IN

#405964 Nov 30, 2012
Robert F wrote:
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TBS
Being correctly educated is a problem....
When a person judges from experience and an incorrect education, the result is the quandry you find yourself in....Thus you can't research out the truth, and everything just "seems", or is an "opinion".
I am not worried about your writings. I am not worried about the Bible. But your answer, as you write..., "seem" to think I am.
I am in your debt however, as I am appreciating how much more progressive God is in dealing with "slavery" contrasted with other cultures at the time this verse(you like so much,lol)/law was given....Just a note, slavery as we perceive the word today is not the same as when this law was written.(I would explain further, but...,
since what I write means nothing to you. I will keep silent.)
That is not the case with me brother! I have seen the transformation in your posts as to what God can do in a man like you. Praise God for His dealings with you,and what He has accomplished in and through you. If Paul the Apostle called himself a s l a v e of Christ,it is because he knew that our attitude toward Jesus should be as a slave who does everything to serve his master. However in the case of our Lord and Brother Jesus we are more than slaves,but brothers with Him,that is so wondrous isn't it?

The whole issue of slavery is really quite hard for us who never knew it to understand.We were slaves to sin though,and that can be how we identify with slavery as free men and women.

Did you see Lincoln yet? The movie of course. It is worth seeing if you haven't.
preston

Athens, OH

#405965 Nov 30, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I used several verses in the NT to show that those in Samaria did not receive the Holy Ghost when they first believed and this is in harmony with those men in Ephesus who heard the gospel and believed and were Baptised yet had NOT received the Holy Ghost.
this also is in alignment with my own personal doctrine and beliefs, for two reasons.
it is how I received the Holy Ghost as a second definite Work of grace, and it is what the Bible Teaches.
therefore if adults who believed and didnt receive the Holy Ghost,while being Baptised.
how can a baby or an infant receive Him?
the answer is obvious, they cant and they dont.
hey people, if you disagree. fine.

BUT BE AN ADULT AND ADDRESS ME INSTEAD OF HIDING BEHIND AN ICON.

IF you disagree, then tell me why and show me how that I am wrong.

that is why this is a forum so people can share ideas.

so if you need to use those icons in the future it will be because you are unable to match wits and Bible knowledge with me.
Loren Eberly

Marengo, OH

#405966 Nov 30, 2012
Fiscal Cliff:

Whitehouse and Congress are willing to go anyplace to avoid “fiscal cliff” except; Complying with USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demands every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
DEFENDER of Blessed MARY

Eaton Park, FL

#405967 Nov 30, 2012
Clay wrote:
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Kookoo kookoo
so the Miracle of the Sun never happened?
That's fine. You don't have to believe it and neither do I....not a big deal.
I understand your obsession with these supposed secrets. But you're forgetting about the actual Miracle.
Did the Church fly a plane through the clouds?
Stop the diversion. Of course something happened when so many people starred at the sun. Everyone saw something different. Some saw nothing at all.

"Not surprisingly, perhaps, Sun Miracles have been reported at other Marian sites—at Lubbock, Texas, in 1989; Mother Cabrini Shrine near Denver, Colorado, in 1992; Conyers, Georgia, in the early to mid-1990s".[23] Nickell also suggests that the dancing effects witnessed at Fatima may have been due to optical effects resulting from temporary retinal distortion caused by staring at such an intense light"

Beyond the immediate area, nowhere else in the world was anything seen.

But that wasn't the point. The point is how the Vatican used three hysterical country girls for their own purposes.

In the process of making up lies for political purposes, they made Mary out to be demanding, threatening, and shameless.

Shameless.
DEFENDER of Blessed MARY

Eaton Park, FL

#405968 Nov 30, 2012
A dancing sun is one thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_S...

Flat out lies are another.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Secrets_of...

Secret #1... Mary terrifies 3 little girls.

Secret #2... Vatican makes up absurd demands by Mary, which just happen to lend spiritual support for Hitler's recent invasion of commie Russia.

Mary is NOT a demanding, threatening, narcissist. The Vatican lies.

Secret #3... A big yawner, because the Vatican learned its lesson with their previous lies
preston

Athens, OH

#405969 Nov 30, 2012
Loren Eberly wrote:
Fiscal Cliff:
Whitehouse and Congress are willing to go anyplace to avoid “fiscal cliff” except; Complying with USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.
Demands every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.
This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
why dont you take this spam elsewhere? no one reads it or cares what you have to say.

you are even on a local topix forum
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#405970 Nov 30, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Well Anthony, your response did not tell the gospel story. But even with your partial statement, I whould say that it would be enough to generate more questions from one who was honestly seeking truth and salvation. Perhaps it would benifit you to read the bible stories of the preaching in the N.T. and see what the GOSPEL (in a concise paragraph; bandied about in some slogan) WAS that brought salvation to thousands and thousands.
The word "gospel" means good news. If you're disappointed with my saying that the gospel is the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ, well, I guess I'm not very good at using slogans.

Would you rather I just pasted St. Peter's exhortation in Acts 2 here? Or does your faith community have an abridged version? I love what he says. Incidently, it supports the idea that he was the leader of the apostles, the necessity of baptism, infant baptism, etc.
DEFENDER of Blessed MARY

Eaton Park, FL

#405971 Nov 30, 2012
Robert F wrote:
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TBS
Being correctly educated is a problem....
When a person judges from experience and an incorrect education, the result is the quandry you find yourself in....Thus you can't research out the truth, and everything just "seems", or is an "opinion".
I am not worried about your writings. I am not worried about the Bible. But your answer, as you write..., "seem" to think I am.
I am in your debt however, as I am appreciating how much more progressive God is in dealing with "slavery" contrasted with other cultures at the time this verse(you like so much,lol)/law was given....Just a note, slavery as we perceive the word today is not the same as when this law was written.(I would explain further, but...,
since what I write means nothing to you. I will keep silent.)
Robert writes "... how much more progressive God is in dealing with slavery"

No Robert, "progressive" would be God condemning the immorality of slavery, period.

But if your god can only make it relatively less cruel than other cultures (in your mind only, btw), then you are referring to a weak, waffling god.

Maybe the same god who couldn't destroy chariots because they were made of iron?
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#405972 Nov 30, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
The word "gospel" means good news. If you're disappointed with my saying that the gospel is the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ, well, I guess I'm not very good at using slogans.
Would you rather I just pasted St. Peter's exhortation in Acts 2 here? Or does your faith community have an abridged version? I love what he says. Incidently, it supports the idea that he was the leader of the apostles, the necessity of baptism, infant baptism, etc.
Well show me the statement you are in reference to. I would love to see Peter's reference to infant baptism.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#405973 Nov 30, 2012
Anthony: You didn't answer the questions. Stop diverting and answer the questions. Here, I will give you another chance.
Anthony MN wrote:
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Baptism doesn't guarantee salvation. No, I don't think the bad popes, if they died unrepentent, are in heaven. Many self-described 'born again' and 'saved' evangelicals are ungodly and unchristian. That's why belief in OSAS is so dangerous.
RESPONSE:...Interesting. Then what do you believe was the state of the RCC during the reign of these ungodly men? Do you believe that a non-christian is indwelt with the holy Spirit? Do you believe that the Holy Spirit guides lost people? Do you believe that one of these lost,unchristian people could be the 'VICAR of CHRIST'? ce..........
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#405974 Nov 30, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
The word "gospel" means good news. If you're disappointed with my saying that the gospel is the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ, well, I guess I'm not very good at using slogans.
Would you rather I just pasted St. Peter's exhortation in Acts 2 here? Or does your faith community have an abridged version? I love what he says. Incidently, it supports the idea that he was the leader of the apostles, the necessity of baptism, infant baptism, etc.
Hmmm, No, I would say that you are not very good at telling the good news. Or do you have any?

Since: Dec 06

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#405975 Nov 30, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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You don't get it.
Supposedly - "God" gives permission to another entity to allow abuse of "His" child.
First off, if your "God" allowed this, then it is a game to "Him".
If your "God" was loving, then he would have 'smited' "Satan" immediately, but oh no....."He" allows the abuse to go on.
Unfortunately, you and other so-called "Christians" play the "persistence of faith in God" card.
Our Father doesn't do this, especially being a "being of love".
But you are still in a frame of mind that includes "pain and torture", "destruction", and "abuse" to an individual, so he can show that he will not waver fromt he ordeal, and instead wait for the positives to come after all is said and done ('the game'), without seeing any alternatives.
Most men are not like this. And also IMO - the allegoric symbolism is not "literal".
This is what men have told you to believe - and you've accepted it.
I'm not sure why you just can't believe that all men have "demons" that plummet us. Did you ever think that this is the symbolism that the story refers to?
- we all can overcome difficulty if we are persistant in our stance and there can be a reward at the end of the difficult tasks - if one seeks it out.
Only we can destroy our own life, otherwise, "God" would be stepping in more often. In one instance, would be allowing a little girl to get home, before she froze to death.
You aren't using logic in your faith.
NASL

How convenient....Demons draw us to darkness, because they are a part of us? You give no thought about free-will....
Well, if you can't blame Satan, blame demons....

Being responsible, and doing the right thing is not always apparently profitable. It could get you crucified. Jesus is salvation.

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