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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 703795 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405638 Nov 28, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
God is not a monster. Nor is He a stranger to His children. He sent His disciples (then and now) to see to it that Wang knows Him. A missionary preached in an island country, telling the natives about Jesus. Afterwards an old man approached him with tears in his eyes. "Tell me His name AGAIN, please. I've always known Him, but I've never heard His name." An Indian medicine man in Arizona was visited in a hospital by a man in white. The man told him that he wanted him to go home and tell his family the truth. That same day a disciple of Jesus spoke to the old man about Jesus. "That's the man who talked to me," he declared. The old man, past 80 years old, went home to Whiskey Creek, Arizona; called his family together, and told them about Jesus. They cleaned up Whiskey Creek, renamed it Jordan River. Today there is a church there.
Recently a Muslim widow heard a knock at her door. There was no one there...she thought. She slid to the floor in tears, when a hand touched her shoulder, and she heard someone say, "I'm sending someone today to tell you about Me." That day a missionary came to her house. Jesus is being seen in dreams and visions in places where missionaries cannot go.
My family visited a place on an Indian reservation. Their interpreter had asked them to go and pray for a man who had fallen from a horse. When they arrived a lady was carrying chairs from a hogan to a little 'church' that that former medicine man had built. My sister finished praying, and began to sing, "How Great Thou Art". The little Indian lady began to cry loudly, but my sister couldn't speak her language, so she couldn't talk to her. When the others finished praying, the interpreter explained that early that morning the Indian lady awoke to singing...beautiful music in a strange language. She heard a voice say to her, "You've been asking to know more about Me. Today I am sending some people to help you."
By faith she was taking those chairs over in preparation for the promised visitors. When she heard my sister singing...it was what she had heard early that morning.(They had no electricity or radio's then.)
It's too late to tell me that my Father is a monster...or that He will destroy His children.
KayMarie
fundie lies... nothing more. A friend of a friend told me this story, so it must be true...

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405639 Nov 28, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
It's too late to tell me that my Father is a monster...or that He will destroy His children.
KayMarie
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Too late? No, you are either a poe or too well indoctrinated.

Read this a few times... OK, read this over and over until you realize that you god has a law, which not only allows one human to own another, but also allows the owner to kill the slave.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405640 Nov 28, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
As a Catholic Christian, I have made my choice, Protestants have made theirs and 1.168 Billion (other) Catholics have made the same choice that Jesus is the Son of God.-----The ball is in "your court" Michael!!!----- to accept of deny the TRUTH!
There are how many non-catholics? If counting how many there are is important, then counting how many are not, must be equally important.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405641 Nov 28, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
read about Satan
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
For many centuries, "The Morning Star",'Lucifer' to some of these early folks, was the topic of many folklore and legends and beliefs.

It actually is a misnomer - it was considered a "messenger" in many regards for people who did not have the literacy to understand what the star actually was.

http://www.scienceofbeing.net/The_Morning_Sta...

If one is to take this interpretation for any evidence - Jesus is the Morning Star in Isaiah:
http://www.acts17-11.com/dialogs_morningstar....

The Bright Morning Star goes to the misnomer of "Lucifer", which is an incorrect title for Satan or the Devil taken from the King James Version of Isaiah 14:12. Were it not for this odd transliteration, "Lucifer" would not exist as a term in English, and there would be no confusion on the matter. As it is, we need to be careful, I would suggest, in using the term to describe who the Bible calls "Satan" or "the Devil". Most Christians are onto this, yet still the term "Lucifer" persists. In any case, the "morning star" is the title of Christ throughout the rest of Scripture.
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confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus called him
Joh_12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Joh_14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
Joh_16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
What - no "Lucifer" in this passage?

You are reading to much into the text than is needed.

Step off the destruction shelf and move into a loving atmosphere. It is much more pleasant than where you seem to be perched.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#405642 Nov 28, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
The thief was not subject to the New Testament command to be baptized into Christ’s death (Romans 6:3-4), just as Moses, Abraham, and David were not amenable to it. They all lived prior to the cross under different law codes. They could not have been baptized into Christ’s death—because He had not yet died.
ME:
but hank and HOJO, Jeus had already died and so the Malefactor(I prefer that word)was now under the Plan of Salvation that God had set forth centuies before.
this event is a {clear indication}that a person does not have to be Baptsied to enter into Heaven.
I mean lets face Facts. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT God who forgives sin, as someone brought up the other day and used these words "go and sin no more".if the sins are Forgiven, nothing else is Required,
ONLY THE BLOOD WASHES AWAY THE SINS OF A PERSON, IF WATER TOOK AWAY THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD,
PEOPLE WOULD BE SAVED AS SOON AS THEY TOOK A BATH.LETS GET REAL ABOUT THIS AND USE SOME GOOD OLD COMMON SENSE.
just because He told others to go and make disciples and Baptise them in the name of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost, doent mean that He cant do as He wishes.AFTER ALL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CREATOR WHO ISNT BOUND BY THE DEFICIENCES OF MANKIND.
I BELIEVE IN BAPTISM, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN OR IT IS JUST WASTED TIME.WITHOUT BEING BORN AGAIN, ALL THE WATER IN THE OCEANS WILL NOT HELP YOU GET INTO HEAVEN.
THAT IS HOW I SEE IT BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT IS.
preston

I agree.

Also the order doesn't have an effectiveness. By that I mean an infant can be baptised, but latter be born again....He does not have to be baptised again in water.(Some feel called to do so, usually as a call to become part of a congregation.)

But its like circumcision. You can only have it done once.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#405643 Nov 28, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
In my opinion, someone who continues to post falsities, even after having been shown the truth, is a trouble maker. An ignorant and deceitful trouble maker.
From our profession of faith;
"For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate
of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end."
I expect we will never again hear from you that we believe "rituals" save us. If so it will only confirm that you are indeed nothing more than a trouble maker.
Anthony
Peace

I would like to add that "he suffered died and was buried, he descended into hell, on the third day he arose again...."

Sometimes this descent is left out.

I would like to see if some would agree or disagree based on scripture....
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#405644 Nov 28, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>looks like Live Action has gained a new convert.
Yahweh when the other day when You were insistting that I saw God in an airplane.
YOU DO KNOW THAT LTM INSISTED THAT LIVE ACTION WAS ME, DONT YOU
For all those who may or may not be confused Persy while in flight over Vietnam (Not in a AIRPLANE he say's) saw Jesus (Not God so does this entail not God the Son) which he states makes him an apostle according to the message recieved.

Come on really for all we know he could have been in a hang glider flying over China Town sailed into a cliff and while in descent hit his head on a rock and woke up in a Roman Catholic Hospital as a patient were he saw a picture hanging on th e wall of his room of the Pontiff thinking it was Jesus being blinded from the flourisit lighting in his deranged mind related it to him being equal to the Apstle Paul.

yep that about sums it up.

ReginaM

Point Pleasant Beach, NJ

#405645 Nov 28, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Anthony
Peace
I would like to add that "he suffered died and was buried, he descended into hell, on the third day he arose again...."
Sometimes this descent is left out.
I would like to see if some would agree or disagree based on scripture....
Robert, Anthony's post contained the Nicene Creed. The line you are referring to is from the Apostles' Creed.

Perhaps this will help:

ARTICLE 5
"HE DESCENDED INTO HELL. ON THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN"
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive...
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#405646 Nov 28, 2012
preston wrote:
where I come from, it is one of the poorest counties in Ohio.
and about the only thing that many possess around here is their word,
and when that isnt any good, then neither are they
And I bet your right their in the middle talking down to everyone of them ready to put your foot on their head and push them right on under the water when they try to swim for shore.
Michael

Canada

#405647 Nov 28, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
There are how many non-catholics? If counting how many there are is important, then counting how many are not, must be equally important.
Sheep......

According to the roman catholic bishops conference just a couple years back state that across america about 25% of roman catholics attend mandatory sunday service.

Western europe statistics are even bleaker.

The big question is WHY? Why are so many leaving and why do so many not practice their faith, or practice it regularily as their parents and grand parents did.

I am surprised that the vatican still sits on their hands with this dilema. There is no wholesale turnaround in sight.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#405648 Nov 28, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Kay Marie,you are talking to Catholics in 2012,a very candid group that view things much differently than their predecessors.American Catholics especially have heard our evangelical broadcasts on TV and the radio.Many have watched Billy Graham,and even some catholic bishops have encouraged their flocks to attend Billy Graham crusades in their cities when he came there.
The evangelical expression of Catholicism has been ignited by the era of Catholic Charismatic renewal,there is much evangelical fervor amongst priests,sisters in communities and brothers,many of the laity have been involed in the charismatic movement.We are on a thin line when we claim that Catholics today do not know the gospel,in its dynamic evangelical message of personal salvation and unique fellowship with Christ.
Neverthless,Catholics today are experiencing as well a surge of liberalism which threatens that evangelical revival as it were.The liberal factions are the many Catholics who are cultural but not transformed by the gospel.Our evangelical churches and fellowships major in transforming power of Christ,and we have done so ever since the Holy Spirit decided long ago to inspire men and women like the Apostles Peter and Paul,to preach a dynamic personal faith that seeks the continual exchanges of the heart from that of the flesh to that of the Spirit.It is difficult,but true.
Many Catholics have known that truth and for centuries,we can read about dynamic saints and laity who have been transformed by the Lord,all through Catholic history.nevertheless the Catholic church is plagued with several personalities,and each one fights for dominance.Now in this time the evangelical voice within Catholicism is fighting hard for the people to turnfrom their wicked ways,but the cultural Catholics who resist such attend mass regularly and consider themselves every wit Catholic,remain as a thorn in the flesh to the others.It will be interesting to see who will supersede the other,will it be the liberals and cultural Catholics,or will it be those who are evangelical in their practise of Catholicism?
Pad good friend

I sort of agree with you here.

But in thinking in terms of culture, one must see that the "cultural" Catholics, have fallen away. They were indocrinated, but left. That is here in the U.S.

There is a revival in the RCC and it is continuing, more from the immigrants into the U.S., which has brought a new life. But also converts and reverts as they grow weary of materialism, relativism, modernism, new age, etc, etc. And in rediscovery there is an enthusiasm, and an evangelicalism that comes out.(Do not hide the light under a basket.)

Because we live in a post-modern age, the influences in our society are around, but aren't really alive in the RCC. You can say that the decline in most all large denominations have faced similar circumstances.

The sense of a society concerning social toleration, does make its way into religion is more a political one. And enters as a kind of pride. Those who are the hypocrits and judging others. When in fact the poor, and the stranger should be welcomed. When this starts happening, and a sort of stratification, and cliques start forming, the leaders need to start rebuking....Unfortunately, it seems to center in on the priest in the RCC, when it should be more the responsibility of the deacons or elders....
Prince Helmut Pipke

Baltimore, MD

#405649 Nov 28, 2012
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you hate when someone opens their piehole about someone else's conversation that they know nothing about....me too.
He was talking to me about the Ohio State/Michigan game...good gravy why am I wasting my time. I'll never get this time of my life back.
no understand your defintion hate

such word doesn't exist to hate cyber muts and only hell knows who they are?

but his peehole someday can get outside germs and catch testicle cancer or pheronies

have good night Chuck
preston

Athens, OH

#405650 Nov 28, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>For all those who may or may not be confused Persy while in flight over Vietnam (Not in a AIRPLANE he say's) saw Jesus (Not God so does this entail not God the Son) which he states makes him an apostle according to the message recieved.
Come on really for all we know he could have been in a hang glider flying over China Town sailed into a cliff and while in descent hit his head on a rock and woke up in a Roman Catholic Hospital as a patient were he saw a picture hanging on th e wall of his room of the Pontiff thinking it was Jesus being blinded from the flourisit lighting in his deranged mind related it to him being equal to the Apstle Paul.
yep that about sums it up.
what is amazing to me is the fact, that no one but you are concerned about what I saw.

and if you dont believe it, that is up to you, if you believe it or not, doesnt bother two others, God and Myself.

so bring it back up in a few days, it still is what it is.and your infantile behavior is very evident. an adult wouldnt concern themselves with something that happened almost 50 years ago,lol.

ONE GOOD THING HAS COME OUT OF YOUR MOCKERY,THE CATHOLICS ON HERE HAVE MORE CREDITIBILITY THAN YOU WOULD EVER POSSESS.

which means than I dont feel like arguing with them very much, since that places me on the same side of you, and that is detestable to God.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#405651 Nov 28, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
(47) Jesus says:
(1) "It is impossible for a person to mount two horses and to stretch two bows.
(2) And it is impossible for a servant to serve two masters. Else he will honor the one and insult the other.(3) No person drinks old wine and immediately desires to drink new wine.
(4) And new wine is not put into old wineskins, so that they do not burst; nor is old wine put into (a) new wineskin, so that it does not spoil it.
(5) An old patch is not sewn onto a new garment, because a tear will result."
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm
What you think is new is not, yet you promote it as such, to spoil it.
Similarily as in above, the "new wine" is not put into the "old wineskin" because the old wineskin will spoils it.
You should understand the "new wine" a little better, even though it appears you're drunk from the old.
(28) Jesus says:
(1) "I stood in the middle of the world, and in flesh I appeared to them.
(2) I found all of them drunk. None of them did I find thirsty.
(3) And my soul ached for the children of humanity,
because they are blind in their heart, and they cannot see;
for they came into the world empty,
(and) they also seek to depart from the world empty.
(4) But now they are drunk.
(But) when they shake off their wine, then they will change their mind."
Hello NASL

It all comes down to the way of thinking, and not being within faith for you....

Of course thinking and the correct teaching are important, and some are taught that way from the start, and become quite capable, but the faith comes first for most. And when approached correctly, faith with reason is the way....

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#405652 Nov 28, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Seraphima,I am glad your husband is getting much better.Sometimes we have to go through things which seem to be bad news,to wake up about things around us.i do not blame you for not wanting to get on the computer and haggle over religilosity and so on.It bothers me as well,but I often think it might just open a few eyes to the broader truth as to why we are argueing in the first place.
hs will be missed if he does not come on here,as he added so much.I personally learned a lot about your Orthodoxy through both you and him.I hope you have a blessed Christmas,will look up on a claender to see when the Orthodox Christmas is celebrated.
Believers are certainly all important one to another,no matter what our affiliation is,we are individuals who have made a decision to either follow Jesus to the end or follow Him at what ever level we are at in our development.Either way we can learn from one another,as our Christian faith is a minority in this world,and God knows how we should actually come together rather than be apart.Sometimes we have to sort through the incidentals to reach a firmer stand of unity as believers.
It is not easy with all of our differences,but Jesus bids us to love one another,even as He loves the Body or the Church as it were.
Again take care,and enjoy your family this Christmas! Say hello to hs for me,I miss him here.
I read your post to hermi and he smiled.Your post was touching and we agree with you.We all have our differant beliefs and as adults should be able to act like adults and learn from each other,Respect one another, and Love one another.....Hermi's and I will see u soon!!

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#405653 Nov 28, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Robert, Anthony's post contained the Nicene Creed. The line you are referring to is from the Apostles' Creed.
Perhaps this will help:
ARTICLE 5
"HE DESCENDED INTO HELL. ON THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN"
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive...
ReginaM
Peace

Thank you....

It is not really spoken about much. I haven't seen it on this thread. And I would like to see some of the non-Catholics thinkings or beliefs concerning the belief that Jesus descended into hell, and on the third day he rose again....
preston

Athens, OH

#405654 Nov 28, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
ReginaM
Peace
Thank you....
It is not really spoken about much. I haven't seen it on this thread. And I would like to see some of the non-Catholics thinkings or beliefs concerning the belief that Jesus descended into hell, and on the third day he rose again....
just what are you wishing to discuss?

one problem that the Creed has(concerning a waiting room, for lack of a better term and I most certainly am not mocking what it means)is that on the Day of His death, many saints came out of the graves and were seen by many, so who did He Preach to, and why?.

this beats other discussions that we have went over and over.
so what are the parameters?
ReginaM

Point Pleasant Beach, NJ

#405655 Nov 28, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
ReginaM
Peace
Thank you....
It is not really spoken about much. I haven't seen it on this thread. And I would like to see some of the non-Catholics thinkings or beliefs concerning the belief that Jesus descended into hell, and on the third day he rose again....
Peace to you as well, my friend.

Did you read the link from the Catechism? It cites the scriptural references and explains the meaning of Christ's descending to the dead (hell). As you know, the Profession of Faith (Nicene Creed) differs slightly in its wording from the Apostles' Creed, but they're essentially the same. It is our Profession of Faith that we recite every Sunday at Holy Mass. The Apostles' Creed is prayed at other times and sometimes at children's Masses.

I think it might have been mentioned here once, as far as I recall. But that was quite a while ago. I agree, it would be interesting to hear the Protestant take on it.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#405656 Nov 28, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Right! The problem is we cannot control our thought, or vision process, but we can control our actions.
Example, show a picture of a beautiful naked lady to a man he will become aroused.
Show a picture of a handsome man to a woman she will fanticize about being with him.
If I dream about stealing (robbing a bank) and what I could do with the money, is that a sin or again just part of our human condition?
Are these sins based on our thought process, or are they natural re-actions of our species as being imperfect beings?
Michael

lol....You don't get it....NASL thinks its just a mind game, where one can play the 10 Commandments is just some perception, or thought....

You take it as that, or a species defect....That isn't much better, except you added the condition "imperfect beings", which give it a "better" sound.

Your either/or scenario....lol.

It is a moral law..., still in the Bible, and in the U.S. Supreme Courtroom(much to the dislike of atheists.
ReginaM

Point Pleasant Beach, NJ

#405657 Nov 28, 2012
ARTICLE 5
"HE DESCENDED INTO HELL. ON THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN"

631 Jesus "descended into the lower parts of the earth. He who descended is he who also ascended far above all the heavens."476 The Apostles' Creed confesses in the same article Christ's descent into hell and his Resurrection from the dead on the third day, because in his Passover it was precisely out of the depths of death that he made life spring forth:

Paragraph 1. Christ Descended into Hell

632 The frequent New Testament affirmations that Jesus was "raised from the dead" presuppose that the crucified one sojourned in the realm of the dead prior to his resurrection.478 This was the first meaning given in the apostolic preaching to Christ's descent into hell: that Jesus, like all men, experienced death and in his soul joined the others in the realm of the dead. But he descended there as Savior, proclaiming the Good News to the spirits imprisoned there.479

633 Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, "hell" - Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek - because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God.480 Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the Redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into "Abraham's bosom":481 "It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham's bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell."482 Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him.483

634 "The gospel was preached even to the dead."484 The descent into hell brings the Gospel message of salvation to complete fulfilment. This is the last phase of Jesus' messianic mission, a phase which is condensed in time but vast in its real significance: the spread of Christ's redemptive work to all men of all times and all places, for all who are saved have been made sharers in the redemption.

635 Christ went down into the depths of death so that "the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live."485 Jesus, "the Author of life", by dying destroyed "him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and [delivered] all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage."486 Henceforth the risen Christ holds "the keys of Death and Hades", so that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth."487
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive...

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