Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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<quoted text>then that makes three of us that love them.
one is lurking but I know that she does too.
it is a shame that a grown man like gif(or his wife, whoever is posting) wishes to make fun of a mentally retarded person.
I have to admit, that I would not have thought that of him.
and his pride will not allow him to repent of that sin, and it is a sin. Jesus loves those little children(no matter how old they are), they still mentally are children
Yes, and, they are a blessing from God in which we should NEVER take these blessings (spiritual or physical for granted).

Keep in mind, Preston, that if we stay on the straight and narrow path, we WILL again be with these precious children.
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I have made no reference to your grand baby...or any of you family
Reread my former post...I started the funning before you brought up the subject..
If you want to be insulted that is your choice...I didn't even read your post.
Question..
DO YOU HAVE TO CREATE A REASON TO BE BITTER AND ANGRY ALL THE TIME?
YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS EVER LOST A GRAND CHILD DON'T YOU KNOW.
ABORTION GOT ONE OF MINE..
.ANOTHER DIED BECAUSE THE UMBILICAL WAS WRAPPED AROUND HIS NECK...FROM WHERE MY DAUGHTER WAS WORKING IN A PLACE THAT WAS FOGGY WITH CIGARETTE SMOKE..
ONE OF MY SON'S WAS FOUND HANGED...
AND OTHER GRAND SON DIED FROM PRESCRIPTION OXYCONTIN..
I KNOW WHAT SORROW IS
BUT I HAVE THE COMFORTER ..THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT COMFORTS ME AND MY WIFE.
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
GIF,

I am so sorry for your losses, too....

Remember, as I just told Preston, if we stay on the straight and narrow path, we, too, WILL again be with these precious children.
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and to help you.
I said not very long ago that I reached my 3 score and ten on 11/15/12. you do the math. I was almost 42 in aug 1988.
orville is far reaching for some reason.
and to set teh record straight,
I am not ashamed of helping that family, and it had nothing to do with any desire to hurt the catholic church. like I said, i am the parent of a down syndrome child, and I care very much for those type of children, and if you have ever met one, nothing but love comes from them
How do we know for sure. YOU LIE SO MUCH !!!!

So did you bring to light and out the sexual abuse at the manoe or was that another Lie as well.

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Full of Love says.....
I'm glad that you take part of Christmas Jethro.
Michael says......
I am not Jethro.
LOL! Oh no.I am so sorry.

I meant Michael,please forgive me.

Well,I hope to see both of you in heaven.

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I have made no reference to your grand baby...or any of you family
Reread my former post...I started the funning before you brought up the subject..
If you want to be insulted that is your choice...I didn't even read your post.
Question..
DO YOU HAVE TO CREATE A REASON TO BE BITTER AND ANGRY ALL THE TIME?
YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS EVER LOST A GRAND CHILD DON'T YOU KNOW.
ABORTION GOT ONE OF MINE..
.ANOTHER DIED BECAUSE THE UMBILICAL WAS WRAPPED AROUND HIS NECK...FROM WHERE MY DAUGHTER WAS WORKING IN A PLACE THAT WAS FOGGY WITH CIGARETTE SMOKE..
ONE OF MY SON'S WAS FOUND HANGED...
AND OTHER GRAND SON DIED FROM PRESCRIPTION OXYCONTIN..
I KNOW WHAT SORROW IS
BUT I HAVE THE COMFORTER ..THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT COMFORTS ME AND MY WIFE.
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
About four months ago my oldest grandson was in his pickup contemplating suicide.. Things had reversed upon him till he felt he could bear it no longer..

A lady knocked on his window .

when He opened it she proceeded to tell him things about himself that only He and God Knew...

He said he dropped his head upon the stirring wheel and sobbed like a baby...and gave his heart to Jesus....

God sent a person (a stranger) to him that not only saved his soul but also saved his life.

I won't go through the particulars but since that day God has seen to it that he is altogether a different successful person and He is working toward becoming a pastor.

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Water baptism & circumcision are not seals as I understand Scripture. These are mans public declarations. A distinction is made however in the following Scriptures;
However, a Holy seal, is given from Holy God and only by Holy God can they be given.
Matt. 3...
11I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.
Ephesians 1:
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Orville good friend

You are partly correct. It is there for the world to see(a public declaration), both circumcision and baptism:

But remember Romans 4:11

"And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:"

This sign is a seal, and in this case of something God has given, which is righteousness. Therefore, God has put something righteous in Abraham, which is faith, both before and after the circumcision. God therefore infused faith before, and imputed faith as a sign. And this is the reason that baptism(and circumcision) for infants is an acceptable practice.
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<quoted text>then that makes three of us that love them.
one is lurking but I know that she does too.
it is a shame that a grown man like gif(or his wife, whoever is posting) wishes to make fun of a mentally retarded person.
I have to admit, that I would not have thought that of him.
and his pride will not allow him to repent of that sin, and it is a sin. Jesus loves those little children(no matter how old they are), they still mentally are children
Preston mo one with a heart would make fun of a retard child.
Or a child with a disablity. I have a grandson who is 18 now and just started to live on his own.
There are challenges for him but he is doing it. the left side of his body is like dead weight but he manages just great.
He only has one 1/4 of his brain that is operating, he is a wonderful boy happy and always smiling. God has blessed us richly with this child.
He has a Husky dog, and he gets up at 5:30 every morning and takes that dog for a walk, before he catches his school bus to a program were he is learning life skills.
I am sorry about your lose Preston, I have never lost a child to death, so to say I know how you feel won't be true.
But I have lost most of my family to alcohol, I have had to call police on my daughter and son 2-3 times one tried to beat me up the other my husband. Its heart breaking Preston.
We all have issues and things that have happened in our life that has formed our personality Preston.
I have been a street Mom to I don't know how many kids, I still get phone calls from many of them who were abused and just thrown out of the house. One man just came back He is in his 50's now its funny to see him, he was all pimples and a long neck last time I saw him LOL.
I gave him a little Bible when he left my house, he still had it and it was well used.
God doesn't want us fighting and judging each other Preston, no father wants to see his childing fighting among their children.
Everyone has a story to tell Preston life lessons that God has allowed in our lifes to use us to help others.
So lets prove to the nonbelievers that Born again Christians are not hateful mean people, but God fearing lovely people who are tolerate of others even if they are not were the other is Spirituality. Our journey isn't over yet Preston, God's plan for our life is unfolding at His speed not anyone elses.
WE ARE HIS WORKERMANSHIP. SOME OF US ARE PETERS AND PAULS, WHY WE ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE LIKE THEM WE ARE TO STRIVE TO BE LIKE JESUS.
SOME OF US MAY HAVE ALONG WAY TO GO, BUT BY THE GRACE OF GOD WE WILL GET THERE.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

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You must call yourself "Free Mind" because you enjoy "dreaming up things"!..... Where did I "ever say" Jesus was saving "only" a fraction of humanity------AND--------where did "I" or ANY CATHOLIC say that God will send most of humanity to Hell!
Almighty God is the "author" of who is saved and who is not, who is going to heaven (or hell) and who is not, as well as who has a personal relationship to His Son Jesus --and who does not!!(not you or me or ----------Confrinting, Orville, 4GVN, justachristian (EVEN THOUGH-PROTESTANTS CLAIM THIS)-------The fact remains that -these and other--"BIBLE ONLY PROTESTANTS" have appointed themselves the "final judge" (in their own desperation) as to who is a Christian and who is not, who is saved and who is going to heaven---THUS RELIEVING GOD of HIS OWN ULTIMATE responsibility!!

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You have received a lot of junk teaching about Protestants. Every Protestant I have known KNOWS that God is the ultimate judge. However, He gives us a part...freewill/choice. I know that as long as I trust what He has done for me, I AM saved, because HE SAYS THAT I AM. I also know that I must CONTINUE to trust Him. If I do that, His grace will keep me in times of temptation...and, if I fail, I can confess to Him and "He is faithful and just to forgive me, AND to cleanse me from all unrighteousness."

It requires His provision...and MY trust/faith in Him. He will not fail me as I continue to trust Him. "The just shall LIVE BY HIS FAITH."

You seem to be trusting the RCC to get you through...and that is trusting man, not God.
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About four months ago my oldest grandson was in his pickup contemplating suicide.. Things had reversed upon him till he felt he could bear it no longer..
A lady knocked on his window .
when He opened it she proceeded to tell him things about himself that only He and God Knew...
He said he dropped his head upon the stirring wheel and sobbed like a baby...and gave his heart to Jesus....
God sent a person (a stranger) to him that not only saved his soul but also saved his life.
I won't go through the particulars but since that day God has seen to it that he is altogether a different successful person and He is working toward becoming a pastor.
Praise the Lord!!!

Now, that could have been his guardian angel sent from the Lord....

Hebrews 1:14

14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Please, GIF, please make sure your grandson gets baptized....

Giving his heart to Jesus is fine but he needs repentance and baptism...
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Michael...
Spiritual.....think spiritual...
Adam died spiritually that very day because of SIN.....
Adam lived physically until the age of 930 years old....
Truth says........Adam lived physically until the age of 930. OK! thats probably when the earth was young and spun much faster and days and years clicked off at a rapid pace. When the earth started slowing down people started living shorter periods of time.(lol)

So much fallicy in the bible, and the sad part is people actually believe it.

makes no common sense.....






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And, Michael, how do you deal with the loss of a child???
We have to remember that children are God's blessings....
The blessings of God, spiritual and physical, ought never to be taken for granted.
The loss of a child is very tough to accept. Being religious or not being religious will not change the outcome, whatever that outcome is. If it gives you comfort to believe there is something better after this life than so be it.

30,000 innocent children starve to death every day in our world. We have to ask why?

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<quoted text>I blew the math, I get in a hurry to post.so I would ahve been 45 in Aug. not 46 yet/
and yes, I was born 11/15/42
and did turn 70 on the 15 of this month.
sorry and thanks for correcting me.
No apology necessary.

I just wanted to make sure you weren't cheating yourself out of few years, of what life you have left.(lol)
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Michael...
Spiritual.....think spiritual...
Adam died spiritually that very day because of SIN.....
Adam lived physically until the age of 930 years old....
According to the scriptures it was Eve that made the mistake.

If our world today claims you make a mistake religious teachings claim you can be given a second chance through forgiveness.

If you believe in Adam and Eve why then were they not given a second chance of repentence and forgiveness?

Two people without knowledge tempted by a talking serpent, to eat from a tree that would provide them with the knowledge of why they weren't to eat from the tree of knowledge.

makes no common sense.....

.....and I don't believe the story....

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GIF,
I am so sorry for your losses, too....
Remember, as I just told Preston, if we stay on the straight and narrow path, we, too, WILL again be with these precious children.
I know what you are talking about and I also have the comfort of Jesus

Christ..

The word says

Isa 53:4 --->Surely he hath borne our griefs,

and carried our sorrows:<--- yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities:

---> the chastisement of our peace was upon him; <---and with his stripes we are healed.

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Praise the Lord!!!
Now, that could have been his guardian angel sent from the Lord....
Hebrews 1:14
14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
Please, GIF, please make sure your grandson gets baptized....
Giving his heart to Jesus is fine but he needs repentance and baptism...
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I am sure he has taken care of that...

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the reason baptism is not necessary for salvation is because we are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1; Eph. 2:8), not by faith and a ceremony (Rom. 4:1-11). You see, a religious ceremony is a set of activities or forms peformed by someone. In the Bible circumcision was a ceremony where one person performed a religious rite on another person. Likewise, baptism is also a ceremony where one person performs a religious rite on another person. But, we are saved by faith alone and anything else we do, including ceremonies, will not help.
http://carm.org/is-baptism-necessary-salvatio...
speaking only for myself, I was saved on 8/25/82 and 36 hours later, filled with the Holy Ghost.
what else would I need, I was already saved.
the answer is obvious, if I had died then I was still a christian, however to join many if not most Churches, you must be Baptised, but that was not my reason.
baptism was something that I really didnt feel that I needed(not only that, i didnt like the idea of someone shoving me backwards and maybe hirting my neck).
but God assured me tha it would be okay, and so i dxecided that 9 months after I was saved, i would get baptised, and when the nine months was about over, I went to a church where my pastor was preaching and sure enough, he preached about Baptism.
the following Sunday, I was baptised and God blessed that day
preston

I think the point is that you decided to get baptised....

In a way, I consider you fortunate in that you were saved in '82.
Also in need of being saved, you needed to repent. And because you were already a matured and experienced person in life, you probably would consider your repentence and acceptance of Christ with a deeper understanding.

When younger people without prudence, knowledge, wisdom are "saved", it may be sometimes more difficult to keep and teach them of their salvation through faith. At other times they are more on fire as well.

Sometimes it takes a bit longer for some to be aware and understand what repentance comes to mean. As you might say, sanctifiaion takes a bit longer....
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Pad wrote:
<quoted text>What was never so from the beginning?!
The Israeli consul, Pinchas E. Lapide, in his book, Three Popes and the Jews (New York: Hawthorn Books, Inc., 1967) critically examines Pope Pius XII. According to his research, the Catholic Church under Pius XII was instrumental in saving 860,000 Jews from Nazi death camps (p. 214). Could Pius have saved more lives by speaking out more forcefully? According to Lapide, the concentration camp prisoners did not want Pius to speak out openly (p. 247). As one jurist from the Nuremberg Trials said on WNBC in New York (Feb. 28, 1964), "Any words of Pius XII, directed against a madman like Hitler, would have brought on an even worse catastrophe...[and] accelerated the massacre of Jews and priests." (Ibid.) Yet Pius was not totally silent either. Lapide notes a book by the Jewish historian, Jenoe Levai, entitled, The Church Did Not Keep Silent (p. 256). He admits that everyone, including himself, could have done more. If we condemn Pius, then justice would demand condemning everyone else. He concludes by quoting from the Talmud that "whosoever preserves one life, it is accounted to him by Scripture as if he had preserved a whole world." With this he claims that Pius XII deserves a memorial forest of 860,000 trees in the Judean hills (pp. 268-9). It should be noted that six million Jews and three million Catholics were killed in the Holocaust.

Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.
Albert Einstein

Not trusting the new regime, the Vatican signed a Concordat with the Reich on July 20, 1933 in an attempt to protect the Church's rights in Germany. But the Nazis quickly violated its articles. In Lent 1937 Pope Pius XI issued the encyclical "Mit brennender Sorge" (With burning sorrow) with the help of German bishops and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII). It was smuggled into Germany and read in all German Catholic churches at the same hour on Palm Sunday 1937. It did not explicitly mention Hitler or Nazism, but it firmly condemned the Nazi doctrines. On September 20, 1938, Pius XI told German pilgrims that no Christian can take part in anti-Semitism, since spiritually all Christians are Semites.

http://users.binary.net/polycarp/piusxii.html American Newspapers when they actually reported truth knew the truth. and reported it. So feel free to read garbage like Hitlers Pope it has all been massively discredited.
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I have made no reference to your grand baby...or any of you family
Reread my former post...I started the funning before you brought up the subject..
If you want to be insulted that is your choice...I didn't even read your post.
Question..
DO YOU HAVE TO CREATE A REASON TO BE BITTER AND ANGRY ALL THE TIME?
YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS EVER LOST A GRAND CHILD DON'T YOU KNOW.
ABORTION GOT ONE OF MINE..
.ANOTHER DIED BECAUSE THE UMBILICAL WAS WRAPPED AROUND HIS NECK...FROM WHERE MY DAUGHTER WAS WORKING IN A PLACE THAT WAS FOGGY WITH CIGARETTE SMOKE..
ONE OF MY SON'S WAS FOUND HANGED...
AND OTHER GRAND SON DIED FROM PRESCRIPTION OXYCONTIN..
I KNOW WHAT SORROW IS
BUT I HAVE THE COMFORTER ..THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT COMFORTS ME AND MY WIFE.
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
YOU ARE MOCKING FRED MOORE A DISABLED MAN WHO WAS MOLESTED BY MEN IN A GROUP HOME. not my baby nor me.MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL
try reading before you show how ignorant that you really are.
Moore is not my last name and I dont know fred moore and the first time that I saw his name was when orville tried his sleuthing skills, even tho I had known of previous problems at taht group home
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<quoted text>How do we know for sure. YOU LIE SO MUCH !!!!
So did you bring to light and out the sexual abuse at the manoe or was that another Lie as well.
i HAVE ALREADY POSTED WHAT i DID AND WHO i WAS INVOLVED WITH..SO LETS LEAVE IT AT THAT
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There are were and always will be troublemakers and Jesus reaffirmed this. The letters are letters of correction. Your problem is with authority. You have none but that which you choose to believe while hypocritically condmening others who dont agree with you.

Nesotorious was a heretic and so are you. Joshua weeded out and killed those who claimed to be Jewish but worked to turn others against from the inside. The Apostles put them out.

Many so called Catholics do need to be put out decisively. Goebels did use Luthers writings to incite and they did launch the day of Broken Glass to round up Jews on Luthers birthday for a reason.

Yes there were Protestants who did what was right and both Catholics and Protestants did what was wrong. But to say the Church did not stand against it is rubbish! 3 Million Catholics put to death and you loving Protestants still seek to smear whenever you can. The Apostles sought to Control and said to hold fast and to remember whom you have learned it. Obey those who are over you. You dont listen to the Gospel, you pervert it.

Christ did not sanction the unlearned and unstable to wrest the scripture unto their destruction. The Apostles showed the way of dispute in the council of Jerusalem. You however would rather be Dathan or Jeroboam or Grumble that you are as good as Moses. Sorry but God didnt put each individual Protestant in charge. I wonder how long it will be before some Protestant comes along and throws out even more books since Luther was unsuccessful in eliminating all he wanted. You are too Catholic they will say in a 100 years while the gospels reiinvent themselves as you have done.

Now I have to get back to work, but sola scripture and self appointed authority is unbiblical.

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