Genesis 17:11<quoted text>
marge good friend
Maybe its hard to prove, to the unbeliever, but it is scriptural.
Remember faith is a sign of righteousness(faith is one of the virtues) to Abraham before he was circumcised, and then became circumcised....Romans 4:11
The effects and effectiveness are by God's Grace and man's acceptance of that Grace.
Baptism is a seal as is circumcision....
11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you.
Circumcision was a command of God in the covenant that God made with Abraham in the Old Testament.
Could not be a descendant of Abraham without circumcision, and no one else was included in the promises that God made to Abraham.
All uncircumcised people were CUT OFF from being in Abraham's family.
Now, think about it.....aren't we CUT OFF from being in the body of Christ (the body of believers)(the church) if we ARE NOT baptized??????????
Circumcision was imposed on the Nation of Israel by the Law of Moses.
Baptism is imposed on what???
32 *All the nations* will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
19 Therefore go and make disciples *of all nations,* baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,