Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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And the pope knows this...how? LOL - funny post, Michael :)
A monk devised the calendar back in the 6th century. Somehow he made some miscalculations.

READ BELOW.....IMPORTANT.

Its been known for centuries that there was conflict in the gospel of Matthew and Luke as ot the birth of Jesus.

Matthew claims that the birth of Jesus occurred during the reign of Herod the Great of Judea, whom we know died in 4 B.C.

Luke also tells us that Jesus' birth happened during Herod's reign. Luke even adds what appears to be detailed and historical evidence of the period. He writes that Jesus was born during a census or registration of the populace ordered by emperor Augustus at the time that Quirinius (Cyrenius) was Roman governor of Syria (Luke 2:1-3). In reality, this has to be a fabrication because Quirinius was not governor of Syria and Judea during Herod's kingship. Direct Roman rule over the province of Judea, where Bethlehem was located, was not established until 6 A.D. In other words, ten years separated the rule of Quirinius from Herod.

If the census did take place, it was in the year 6 CE, long after Herod's death. Therefore, Matthew's stories of the Wise Men's visit to Herod and the Christchild, and Herod's massacre of the innocents which caused the holy family to flee to Egypt, are all historically impossible. Moreover, it should be noted that Luke also got his facts wrong about the census of Augustus. Such an imperial census would only apply to Roman citizens of the empire, not to Joseph, a Galilean who was not under direct Roman rule.

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3In reply Jesus declared,“I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”
4“How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked.“Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!”
5Jesus answered,“I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
WATER and the SPIRIT = one birth (spiritual)

John 4:13-14

13 Jesus answered,“Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again,

14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become <<<IN>>> them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
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Or it could be that some Christians don't want to associate themselves with any kind of sin whether murder, child molestation, or a pastor stepping out on their wife, they would rather do church at home or with family and friends.
Do not even eat with them, etc.
And of course myself and others plainly believe most catholics have a different gospel, enough alone to not associate.
But of course the stay at home sinless families that dont associate with anyone who each proclaim their individual gospels but all agree on everything pope Marge declares in Neverland! lol

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Or it could be that some Christians don't want to associate themselves with any kind of sin whether murder, child molestation, or a pastor stepping out on their wife, they would rather do church at home or with family and friends.
Do not even eat with them, etc.
And of course myself and others plainly believe most catholics have a different gospel, enough alone to not associate.
You think twice about your life and whats really important when you see your husband zipped up like a cocoon in a sliver thermal blanket, with his life hanging by a thread,and he is being rushed to a waiting heliccpter to be life flighted to another hospital 1 and a half hours away.I had to drive that in the car myself crying the whole time hoping I would make it there before something happened to hermi...we take nothing for granted now...life is to short
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Define "Declared" Please post his exact words in context and his reasoning. Please do not post what some article posted. Show us the page number. Also show us where the Pope said everyone should get rid of nativity scenes. Could it be he offered a scholarly and balanced view? Could it be that based on his research it his opinion? Did he say it was a fact that must be believed? You would think most Protestants would be happy with no images of any kind.
The reality is Mikey is yet again you are inserting inflammatory nonsense. Do you know his sources for his research? Do you have access to all the writings in the Vatican Archives? No, Mikey you just want to throw out a Canard card to stir up more nonsense.
Dust STorm......says.... Also show us where the Pope said everyone should get rid of nativity scenes.

Michael says.....I never posted to get rid of nativity scenes. I posted that the Pope has stated that with his research that NOTHING is mentioned in the scriptures of animals being present or angels singing at the birth of Jesus. Therefore the pope stated in his new book that they were just traditions added over the centuries as many traditions were added overtime.

If there were no animals present or angels singing then why place them in the nativity scene? Thats what I said.

....Pope in his new book - he also said that, contrary to the traditional Nativity scene, there were no oxen, donkeys or other animals at Jesus's birth.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Jesus+born+y...
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Eastern catholic orthodox clergy can marry. A protestant clergy with a wife who quits his church and becomes a catholic priest can have a wife and 7 kids if he wants to.
39 popes throughout history were married.
http://www.blurtit.com/q146414.html
Too bad for the regular roman catholic clergy. No wife no sex for you!
Too bad too for the nuns.
The roman catholic church is all about CONTROL. The old codgers in the vatican would NEVER allow a woman to be equal to them.
CONTROL.....
Not quite.

Eastern Orthodox priests cannot marry after they are ordained. Bishops cannot be married at all.

Since celibacy is a discipline in the Latin rite, it can be changed or exceptions can be made. It's not doctrine or dogma, and all those who enter the priesthood and consecrated religious life are well aware of it and choose freely to follow their vocation to God.

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Define "Declared" Please post his exact words in context and his reasoning. Please do not post what some article posted. Show us the page number. Also show us where the Pope said everyone should get rid of nativity scenes. Could it be he offered a scholarly and balanced view? Could it be that based on his research it his opinion? Did he say it was a fact that must be believed? You would think most Protestants would be happy with no images of any kind.
The reality is Mikey is yet again you are inserting inflammatory nonsense. Do you know his sources for his research? Do you have access to all the writings in the Vatican Archives? No, Mikey you just want to throw out a Canard card to stir up more nonsense.
Michael says.........its obvious no one knows the year this Jesus was born, not even the pope. No one knows his important joyful birthday, no one has a clue what he looked like, no one knows what he did for a living to support himself, and the most important events to christians the death and resurrection and christians haven't got a clue of those most important dates.....



.....and you say you know Jesus?

something is terribly wrong!

Pope says.....

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/22/world/europe/va...

http://www.inquisitr.com/410371/pope-benedict...
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Dust STorm......says.... Also show us where the Pope said everyone should get rid of nativity scenes.
Michael says.....I never posted to get rid of nativity scenes. I posted that the Pope has stated that with his research that NOTHING is mentioned in the scriptures of animals being present or angels singing at the birth of Jesus. Therefore the pope stated in his new book that they were just traditions added over the centuries as many traditions were added overtime.
If there were no animals present or angels singing then why place them in the nativity scene? Thats what I said.
....Pope in his new book - he also said that, contrary to the traditional Nativity scene, there were no oxen, donkeys or other animals at Jesus's birth.
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Jesus+born+y...
Thank you for that enlightening link.

It is ashamed that some social Catholics are horrified by facts. They much prefer their small, delusional world.

They are in my prayers. Keep up the good work.
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Define "Declared" Please post his exact words in context and his reasoning. Please do not post what some article posted. Show us the page number. Also show us where the Pope said everyone should get rid of nativity scenes. Could it be he offered a scholarly and balanced view? Could it be that based on his research it his opinion? Did he say it was a fact that must be believed? You would think most Protestants would be happy with no images of any kind.
The reality is Mikey is yet again you are inserting inflammatory nonsense. Do you know his sources for his research? Do you have access to all the writings in the Vatican Archives? No, Mikey you just want to throw out a Canard card to stir up more nonsense.
More conflicting bible stories.......

.......... The hometown of Jesus' parents, neither gospel can agree where it was. Matthew says they live in Bethlehem in Judea, while Luke says they lived in Nazareth in Galilee.

I thought these gospels were the inspired "accurate" words of God?

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Define "Declared" Please post his exact words in context and his reasoning. Please do not post what some article posted. Show us the page number. Also show us where the Pope said everyone should get rid of nativity scenes. Could it be he offered a scholarly and balanced view? Could it be that based on his research it his opinion? Did he say it was a fact that must be believed? You would think most Protestants would be happy with no images of any kind.
The reality is Mikey is yet again you are inserting inflammatory nonsense. Do you know his sources for his research? Do you have access to all the writings in the Vatican Archives? No, Mikey you just want to throw out a Canard card to stir up more nonsense.
.......There are differences in the nativity story which serve to lessen its credibility. As an example, in an attempt to parallel the importance of Jesus' birth with that of Moses, Matthew describes the massacre of the children of Bethlehem by king Herod as he attempts to kill the infant messiah.

This extraordinary event is not attested to by any SECULAR SOURCE from that period, nor even referred to by Luke. Indeed, Luke has the family return peacefully, to Nazareth after Jesus' birth in Bethlehem (Luke 2:22,39).

If the massacre did take place, it does not make sense that Herod's son later on does not recall the event by his father about Jesus nor his importance (Matt. 14:1-2). Moreover, if Herod and all the people of Jerusalem knew of the messiah's birth (Matt. 2:3), why is it that later in Jesus' life, the "same" author claims that people had not heard of his miraculous origin and still questioned his miracles and his teachings (Matt. 13:54-56)?

.....conflicting information or what!

....something is wrong DustStorm...
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Texas students to be tagged with RFID_GPS tracking in pilot program:

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Free Mind wrote:
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Thank you for that enlightening link.
It is ashamed that some social Catholics are horrified by facts. They much prefer their small, delusional world.
They are in my prayers. Keep up the good work.
I PREDICT!! next that the Pope will claim Mary and Joseph actually trecked farther south east and ended up at STONEHENGE and that was the actual birth place of baby Jesus. Designed in a circle with a tall wall all the way around to keep King Herod away from infant Jesus, and a safe place to corral the camels that the Magi road in on.

This will push the date of Jesus birth back even further than the Pope thought.........now 2,000 BCE.

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Not quite.
Eastern Orthodox priests cannot marry after they are ordained. Bishops cannot be married at all.
Since celibacy is a discipline in the Latin rite, it can be changed or exceptions can be made. It's not doctrine or dogma, and all those who enter the priesthood and consecrated religious life are well aware of it and choose freely to follow their vocation to God.
SELFLESSNESS...
History of catholic celebacy....and married catholic priests.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/07/us/married-...

http://www.futurechurch.org/fpm/history.htm

Dust Storm says that Jesus said his priests were not to be married.

If protestant ministers with a wife and family can quit their post and become a catholic priest they are allowed to have a wife and kids.

Also catholic clergy were allowed to marry up until the 12th century.

There were 39 popes who had been married.

Where is the consistency? Where is the beef?



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Dust STorm......says.... Also show us where the Pope said everyone should get rid of nativity scenes.
Michael says.....I never posted to get rid of nativity scenes. I posted that the Pope has stated that with his research that NOTHING is mentioned in the scriptures of animals being present or angels singing at the birth of Jesus. Therefore the pope stated in his new book that they were just traditions added over the centuries as many traditions were added overtime.
If there were no animals present or angels singing then why place them in the nativity scene? Thats what I said.
....Pope in his new book - he also said that, contrary to the traditional Nativity scene, there were no oxen, donkeys or other animals at Jesus's birth.
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Jesus+born+y...
You asserted it with implications and again I asked you to post his exact words in context and the sources not an article.

Regardless there is nothing in this article that is remotely disturbing about what the Pope wrote is there? I dont recall any Christmas trees being in the Nativity scene.

The article says:

The assertion that the Christian calendar is based on a false premise is not new - many historians believe Christ was born sometime between 7 BC and 2 BC.

Yeah his exact birth date is almost as mysterious as where and when Obama was born. lol

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But the fact that doubts over one of the keystones of Christian tradition have been raised by the leader of the world's one billion Roman Catholics is striking.

Striking to whom? The exact date of his birth and what has been discussed over the centuries is not a secret. You are just throwing out fodder. Heck I can all kinds of people who dont have birth certificates. I also know that dates of people being born vary in the church and state provided they have any documentation. The emphasis on knowing the precise date doesnt reflect the culture. Do you know where Moses and Marys bones are? Does it prove they never existed? NO

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<quoted text>You think twice about your life and whats really important when you see your husband zipped up like a cocoon in a sliver thermal blanket, with his life hanging by a thread,and he is being rushed to a waiting heliccpter to be life flighted to another hospital 1 and a half hours away.I had to drive that in the car myself crying the whole time hoping I would make it there before something happened to hermi...we take nothing for granted now...life is to short
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Our love and prayers are for you and Hermi...

God is our ever present help in the time of need.

We will continue praying for his complete recovery

and that He will be able to return to his normal

routine of things, and suffer no lasting effects from the ordeal

that he has gone through..

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Not quite.
Eastern Orthodox priests cannot marry after they are ordained. Bishops cannot be married at all.
Since celibacy is a discipline in the Latin rite, it can be changed or exceptions can be made. It's not doctrine or dogma, and all those who enter the priesthood and consecrated religious life are well aware of it and choose freely to follow their vocation to God.
SELFLESSNESS...
As you know there is a large group of women (illigal) who have been ordained catholic priests and their numbers are growing.

http://romancatholicwomenpriests.org/

Below read about the thousands of catholic priests/bishops right around the world calling for optional celebacy.

http://www.futurechurch.org/fpm/optcel/callsf...

......Does this sound like a church with its xxxx together?

something is wrong!

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But I heard tha around teh 25 of December, that a star is going to appear over Washington,
and three "wise men" are going to appear there to help settle this mess in Congress.



If you say so Wiley-Preston. "Rumors" eh?

If we are real "lucky" perhaps the star will also beam you up permanently.

Imagine, the orbits big bands playing a tribute to Wiley-Preston. All extraterrestrials on their knees worshiping Wiley-Preston, the "Holy one" of the earth. Chanting, " all others were liars--all others were liars", oh great and holy one Wiley-Preston.
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You asserted it with implications and again I asked you to post his exact words in context and the sources not an article.
Regardless there is nothing in this article that is remotely disturbing about what the Pope wrote is there? I dont recall any Christmas trees being in the Nativity scene.
The article says:
The assertion that the Christian calendar is based on a false premise is not new - many historians believe Christ was born sometime between 7 BC and 2 BC.
Yeah his exact birth date is almost as mysterious as where and when Obama was born. lol
The article then states:
But the fact that doubts over one of the keystones of Christian tradition have been raised by the leader of the world's one billion Roman Catholics is striking.
Striking to whom? The exact date of his birth and what has been discussed over the centuries is not a secret. You are just throwing out fodder. Heck I can all kinds of people who dont have birth certificates. I also know that dates of people being born vary in the church and state provided they have any documentation. The emphasis on knowing the precise date doesnt reflect the culture. Do you know where Moses and Marys bones are? Does it prove they never existed? NO
Dust Storm says.......Regardless there is nothing in this article that is remotely disturbing about what the Pope wrote is there? I dont recall any Christmas trees being in the Nativity scene.

Michael says.......I never said there was anything disturbing about what the pope wrote.

Christmas trees are a pagan tradition.

Pictures and statues of jesus have him with long hair and a beard. Did he have long hair and a beard?

Traditions, traditions, things are added along the way to add DRAMA to the story

1 BILLION roman catholics you say. Yes 1 Billion baptized catholics however according to countries in western europe and the bishops conference in america and what i know about canada, today far less than 30% of all baptized catholics attend MANDATORY sunday mass weekly.

Imagine a large corporation like General Motors and only 30% of the workers come to work when required? How long would they stay in business?(lol)

There are just as many or more former catholics on this forum than practicing catholics. "Im just sayn"
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History of catholic celebacy....and married catholic priests.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/07/us/married-...
http://www.futurechurch.org/fpm/history.htm
Dust Storm says that Jesus said his priests were not to be married.
If protestant ministers with a wife and family can quit their post and become a catholic priest they are allowed to have a wife and kids.
Also catholic clergy were allowed to marry up until the 12th century.
There were 39 popes who had been married.
Where is the consistency? Where is the beef?
No Dust Storm did not say Jesus said his priests were not to be married. You made that part up. Actually it is a discipline not a doctrine. It can be changed. It can be argued against. The problem comes when people defy the church and do what they want in defiance of the church.

There is biblical precedence for marriage as well as well as celebacy. No one forces anyone to become a priest. It is a choice they make. It is not for everyone. Many protestants even who marry agree it would be better if they were not.

The Cathars preached marriage in general was evil and forbade it. There are many good arguments both biblical and non-biblical for celibacy. There are both pluses and minuses to marriage. It is a whole topic which has been gone around before. No sense in repeating it to people who did not listen to anything said the first time.

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Or it could be that some Christians don't want to associate themselves with any kind of sin whether murder, child molestation, or a pastor stepping out on their wife, they would rather do church at home or with family and friends.
Do not even eat with them, etc.
And of course myself and others plainly believe most catholics have a different gospel, enough alone to not associate.
marge good friend

I clearly understand what you are saying here.

In recent, but memorable times, things were less complicated. Families and friends were in smaller groups, people knew each other, and a general fear of society, or contamination was not as prevalent as in today's world.

Today with mass communication(news, and amusements which are mostly bad), and transportation, things don't look so bright, and it may be that some are called to live away from the world.

This is more a sign of the times in which we live. In a similar way, some of the early Christians also tried to get away, living in isolated circumstances. Note also the Essenes in Jesus' time....

This existed in the even the early times of Christiantiy, and of the CC when religous persons became cloistered, and still goes on today. And Catholic education is still more preferable to the state education.

On the other hand Jesus sat, ate, and drank, and talked with, and was associated with sinners of his day. And in general, we must go amongst the unsaved to accomplish the Great Commission.

So there will be a conflict of getting one's hands dirty in order to live in the world, and not be of it....The recourse when one does get dirty is of course repentance and God's Mercy.

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