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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 599608 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Apr 11

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#404463 Nov 24, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
Words from my heart:
I once joined a church that declared that it was the only church that was going to heaven. It sounded reasonable at the time for reasons I won't explain. But that whole church (internationally) loved God, and studied His Word.
Eventually, they took a new look at John 3:16, and found that God loves the WORLD...not just their little group.
Jesus told His disciples to "Go into the world and make disciples..." Revelations declares that the number before God's throne would be from EVERY TRIBE, AND TONGUE, AND NATION. Scripture also declares that, "He that loves not, does not know God." I'm sure that that does not mean just one's little group, because Jesus told us to love our ENEMIES.
We are also instructed that, if we see one taken in a fault, those which are spiritual are to restore that one "in a spirit of meekness", considering themselves, lest they also be tempted.
Where is the meekness? Everything that I have told you IS TRUE, but I have been 'dogged' with 'liar' in nearly every post recently. I did write 'singing' instead of 'saying', because that is a common report of the angels. Also I gave BCN instead of Zionica (both Christian online news). Those were not 'lies'. There was no intent to deceive.
There is NO WAY that any of you could know whether the incidents that I gave were true...but you have called them lies without knowing if they were true, and in spite of being told that they were true. They are not hearsay...I was there.
"Bring EVERY thought into subjection to the mind of Christ." "The power of life and death are in the tongue."
For your own sake, give Jesus a chance with your heart. Perhaps your flesh is ruling your thoughts. I would hate to think that you have been taught to behave that way...if so, you need a new Teacher. This is why that we attempt to point out some of the fallacies in ANY denomination...not just the CC.
KayMarie
25Nov12.....

.....Our Lord Jesus Christ installed Peter as the first Head of HIS Church. This leadership has been handed down over the centuries.

Albeit, there have been some Really & Truly 'rotten, deceitful, and hypocritical popes.....Most popes have kept the Faith and done the 'right thing'. Even 'Dante'(Dante's Inferno)... had his Pope of the day included in the 'lover Ring' of his Thesis on hell.

Pope John Paul II was a kind and honest and hard-working and compassionate man. Pope Pius XII was not.

Everybody gets what they deserve 'in da End'.

Ps:.....The Holy Roman Catholic Church is the ONE TRUE CHURCH.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#404464 Nov 24, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, you're a slick one...or so you think. You made a false accusation and you can't bring yourself to apologize or even retract it. Okay, noted.
No, I don't understand that line because it makes no sense. You don't understand it either. You haven't a clue as to what you're talking about and are just slinging mud. Also noted.
Regina M. says to confrinting.......Oh, you're a slick one

You haven't a clue as to what you're talking about and are just slinging mud.

Michael says........just 3 days ago confrint. and KayMarie posted to you wishing you well, and hoping you were all right after you spending two weeks paddling around Patterson NJ in your canoe.


The Lords prayer........"we forgive those that trespass against us"

I am not feeling the LOVE REGINAM.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#404465 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't need to correct your typo. We already know what your going to say before you post. Crusades crusades inquisition torture murder.
Did you do the responsible thing and learn about those events?
25Nov12.....

.....and you do NOT have to bother to post at all.

Ps:...ALL members know vot you are going to say anyways...what vit your schidt-for-brains.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Clay

Chicago, IL

#404466 Nov 24, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Pope says christianity has made a miscalculation of important events and dates.
1) There is no basis for historical fact of the birth year of Jesus.
2) There is no basis for hsitorcal fact of December 25
3) There is no basis for historical fact of farm animals in the nativity scene that all catholics originally believed and practiced.
What is coming down the pipe next Clay?
Clay says......did read the article. Sorry man, there was nothing shocking in it. I don't know what to tell you mike. I never once thought the Church (or anyone) could possibly know the exact yr Christ was born.
Michael says....
Don't know the birthday and year of the most important man in christianity? Don't know what he did for a living to support himself? Don't even know what this man looked like? Don't know the dates of the crucixion and resurrection yet christians claim these to be the MOST IMPORTANT dates on their calendar? How can you say you know Jesus when you don't know anything about him?
Clay says.......how could anyone know the exact year?
Michael says......Julius Cesaer we know plenty!
) Born July 100 BC in Subura Rome
) Died March 15, 44 BC. age 55.
) We know what he did for a living.
4) We know what he looked like as we still have coins today that depict his image.
5) Many Mulitiple sources of information about this man.
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Jesus we know nothing! really!
You tell me what I posted that upsets you? I posted the truth. How can the truth upset you so?
I don't believe the Church ever stated that animals were in the stable. Does it matter? People are free to envision the Birth setting how they want provided it doesn't contradict scripture.
jonah the prophet

Waverly, OH

#404467 Nov 24, 2012
Orville wrote:
<quoted text>
Your spiritually delusional, deceived, and will never hear a utterance of repentance from me.
You are not Holy God. You believe so though.
this kind of attitude assures it.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#404468 Nov 24, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Professional railer spreading His gossip again..
That has to be a forum record. Posting 5 identical posts rapidly one after another.

Seriously! why do you even respond to Preston? He is a bully, he enjoys intimidating people. He wants you to be mad and respond back.

He was probably the big awkward kid in school, that everyone made fun of. The only way he could respond would be to lash out, and then the kids would laugh even more at him. Yup! thats him.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#404469 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You know so little about Christ and Catholicism that's its like explaining things to an illiterate 7 yr old.
But you used to be Catholic? Ya ok. Then I believe you stated you were molested by a Priest? Refresh my memory, didn't you state that last year?
Christ was born a poor homeless man. Sorry dude, the census in Bethlehem didn't care much about His birth. Julius Ceasers birth would have been celebrated and documented.
25Nov12.....

......ListenUp 'diClay' and get an edumacation.

Julius Caesar's (not Ceasers) actual birth was NOT celebrated.

The tribes warring amongst each other during the times included the village where Caesar's parents were living. It is a 'FACT'
that his father was killed and so was his mother. When his mother was killed, the soldier that had done the vile deed noticed that she was heavily 'pregnant'. He proceed to cut open her belly with his sword and pulled the enfant from her womb. He held the baby up with the umbellical cord stretching outwards. Suddenly the baby sprang to life. The soldier had some 'mercy' in his heart and kept the baby.....probably to become a slave for his house.

Ps:....That's why babies born today by being taken from the stomachs of their mudders, are called born by Caesarian Birth.

...betCha didn't know dat toooooooooooooooo.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

Since: Nov 08

usa

#404470 Nov 24, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Another monkey wrench!
The pope will probably write another book and report more miscalculations, and now state that DECEMBER 25TH is the real date of the birth of Jesus in 14 BCE, or 7 BCE, or 9 BCE....etc.
Over the past 2,000 years, Hundreds of millions of catholic laity, nuns, priests, bishops, cardinals, popes, all went to their graves not knowing that Jesus was actually born several years before what the church tradition taught them.
I watched a documentory a few years back about dates in witch things took place in the bible and none of them matched up,to the time frame.example joshua's story about destroying the city, the city in question was destroyed allright but not by him,it was destroyed 700 yrs earlier by an earthquake going by what geologists/archeologists found within the city,carbon dating was done on artifacts and proved the date on which joshua supposedly destroyed the (can't remember name) city was wrong,jesus' b-day is speculated to be around the month of september,not the pagan holiday date of dec. 25. actually it is a good date to use because if you live in snow&cold country,it is a great way to break the cabin fever blues.same goes for new year date,which should of been feb. 1st not january space it out a little more again for same reason as i stated,help get you out of the cold and snowy blues.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#404471 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe the Church ever stated that animals were in the stable. Does it matter? People are free to envision the Birth setting how they want provided it doesn't contradict scripture.
Every catholic family I eve knew that had a nativity scene including the big industrial sized ones in the city centre square had animals.

I would bet that if you have a nativity scene you have a bunch of little toy cows, camels, other barnyard animals, and tiny singing nuns or angels, placed strategically within a little fence that keeps them all in.

You say it doesn't matter, but I bet you have them. Am I right?



“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#404472 Nov 24, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>25Nov12.....
.....Our Lord Jesus Christ installed Peter as the first Head of HIS Church. This leadership has been handed down over the centuries.
Albeit, there have been some Really & Truly 'rotten, deceitful, and hypocritical popes.....Most popes have kept the Faith and done the 'right thing'. Even 'Dante'(Dante's Inferno)... had his Pope of the day included in the 'lover Ring' of his Thesis on hell.
Pope John Paul II was a kind and honest and hard-working and compassionate man. Pope Pius XII was not.
Everybody gets what they deserve 'in da End'.
Ps:.....The Holy Roman Catholic Church is the ONE TRUE CHURCH.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
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Torture was previously forbidden by canon law but in 1252 Pope Innocent IV sanctioned the use of torture[9] and also granted dispensation for the inquisitors to be present during its application.[citation needed]

Psychological Torture: was a potent weapon in the hands of the inquisitors. Prisoners were confronted with friends and relatives begging a confession;canon law still only permitted torture to be used once but actually it could be repeated after a delay by the use of the legal device of continuance the psychology of delay including continuance was common, lifting and lowering hopes sometimes over a period of years; prisoners were kept in a state of ignorance of their fate and that of their families and often a strict regime of confinement in chains or other devices on a meagre diet was employed.[citation needed]
Physical torture: In Spain the usual method was to bind the arms tightly behind the back, attach heavy weights to the legs, lift the victim from the ground by means of a pulley and then jerk down. An alternate waterboarding method was to strap the victim by the arms, waist, thighs and calves to a trestle like a ladder with sharp rungs and tighten the ropes, lacerating the flesh. The trestle was sloped head down, the head restrained and the mouth forced open with iron devices. Water was then intermittently introduced into the throat inducing gagging and vomiting. The more familiar rack was also used in later years, along with thumbscrews and other instruments.
Humiliation: Victims, both men and women, were usually tortured naked. In addition, the victim were told that if they died under torture, that the Church would consider that they had committed suicide and would go straight to hell; whereas from the point of view of the torturers they had merely made a mistake or accident.[citation needed]
Relationship with Civil Law: Since the Church 'shed no blood' the guilty had to be handed over to the civil authorities for final punishment. Civil authorities only usually used torture as a means of actual punishment to the guilty, or as a means of gaining forensic information from criminals.[citation needed] And unlike the inquisition often forbade the torture of women with its sexual overtones.[citation needed] However, most of the torture methods the inquisition used were the same; the exception being those used in Germany and the Low Countries where other devices were used.[citation needed]
jonah the prophet

Waverly, OH

#404473 Nov 24, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
As Benny Hinn steps into his 2013 Mercedes, do you really think Benny cares what you say about him?
"judge not less yee be judged" Preston...
that part of the context is just what idiots like you quote.LOL

but there is not part of any verse that tells me that I cant be a "fruit inspecter" and the fruits of benny hinn and mr/s fraud are rotten.
jonah the prophet

Waverly, OH

#404474 Nov 24, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
That has to be a forum record. Posting 5 identical posts rapidly one after another.
Seriously! why do you even respond to Preston?.
why do you post on here, you bring no sembalance of intelligence just as mr fraud doesnt.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#404475 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe the Church ever stated that animals were in the stable. Does it matter? People are free to envision the Birth setting how they want provided it doesn't contradict scripture.
Clay says to Michael..

Sorry dude, the census in Bethlehem didn't care much about His birth.

Michael says........Scriptures claim 3 wisemen riding camels from miles away followed a light in the sky and pinpointed a cave bringing gifts of gold, myr and frankencense to the NEW BORN MESSIAH. Could you follow a star and locate a Cave 8 miles away? I don't think so. Just tall tales clay.

Sounds important to me.

King Herod decides he wants no part of this baby Jesus the messiah, so he decides to kill all male infants trying to kill baby Jesus, but at the Nick of Time the family escapes to Egypt.

Nothing in world history records such an event.

Right from the get-go the news was out there......according to christian ONLY writers.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#404476 Nov 24, 2012
inqusition continued

Treatment of women

All prisoners were initially kept together and this led to violations of women by other prisoners and their guards.[citation needed] Later[when?] orders were given that the sexes be separated.[citation needed] Pregnant women as a vulnerable group became frequent[citation needed] prisoners especially in Spain,with special accommodation but without the help of midwives or other women, consequently many endured extreme suffering and did not survive childbirth. Many babies were confiscated before their mothers were subjected to torture.

Danger of witchcraft accusation: In 1484 the Innocent VIII papal bull summis desiderantes affectibus was issued to Heinrich Kramer the author of the Malleus Maleficarum, in defiance of his bishop, and Kramer included it in the preface to the book. Women were then open to arrest by the inquisition on suspicision of witchcraft. Although men as well as women could be open to this charge, the title of the book itself is feminine in gender and Kramer writes in section I of his misogynist work that: "all witchcraft comes from carnal lust which is in women insatiable". Although in 1490 the Vatican decided that the book was false, in the face of the inquisition, and in fact in 1538 the Spanish Inquisition cautioned against using it, the damage had been done, and by means of printing the book went through sixteen editions up until 1669. Spreading from the Kramer's Tyrol where it originated to other Germanic States helping to fuel the witch hunts in amongst Protestant countries in the seventeenth century as well.

Grand Inquisitor

In the 13th century, Pope Gregory IX (reigned 12271241) assigned the duty of carrying out inquisitions to the Dominican Order.[clarification needed] They used inquisitorial procedures, a legal practice common at that time. They judged heresy alone, using the local authorities to establish a tribunal and to prosecute heretics. After 1200, a Grand Inquisitor headed each Inquisition. The most notorious at the start of the sixteenth century being the first of the Spanish Inquisition Tomas Torquemada. Grand Inquisitions persisted until the mid 19th century.[10]
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#404477 Nov 24, 2012
jonah the prophet wrote:
<quoted text>that part of the context is just what idiots like you quote.LOL
but there is not part of any verse that tells me that I cant be a "fruit inspecter" and the fruits of benny hinn and mr/s fraud are rotten.
Its obvious we have another believer of the invisible man in the sky on this forum. An invisible man who watches every move you make Jonah.

Sorry to inform you Jonah, you are not a fruit inspector but you are a fruit. Probably a tender fruit.

Welcome aboard! JONAH.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#404478 Nov 24, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Pope says christianity has made a miscalculation of important events and dates.
1) There is no basis for historical fact of the birth year of Jesus.
2) There is no basis for hsitorcal fact of December 25
3) There is no basis for historical fact of farm animals in the nativity scene that all catholics originally believed and practiced.
What is coming down the pipe next Clay?
Clay says......did read the article. Sorry man, there was nothing shocking in it. I don't know what to tell you mike. I never once thought the Church (or anyone) could possibly know the exact yr Christ was born.
Michael says....
Don't know the birthday and year of the most important man in christianity?
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Jesus we know nothing! really!
You tell me what I posted that upsets you? I posted the truth. How can the truth upset you so?
Also, nothing you've ever posted upsets me. Is that what you think your doing?

So little of Jesus Christ's life is documented. Even in the Gospels we are only told of moments of His life during the last 3 yrs. I have no idea if He was the captain of His high school soccer team or not.

How did a guy who was seemingly anonymous; put to death; all but 1 of His Apostles were killed too; and most leaders of His early Church were also killed.... Yet, people signed up to replace the fallen Bishops and Priests the next day, knowing they too would be killed. How did people like me come to believe in the Christ 2,000 yrs later?
Answer: The Holy Spirit.

Today is the feast day of St. Andrew Dung-Lac.
He was a Catholic Priest who was beheaded in Vietnam 150 yrs ago, along with 117 other Priests.
These men went to their deaths for spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#404479 Nov 24, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
Words from my heart:
I once joined a church that declared that it was the only church that was going to heaven. It sounded reasonable at the time for reasons I won't explain. But that whole church (internationally) loved God, and studied His Word.
Eventually, they took a new look at John 3:16, and found that God loves the WORLD...not just their little group.
Jesus told His disciples to "Go into the world and make disciples..." Revelations declares that the number before God's throne would be from EVERY TRIBE, AND TONGUE, AND NATION. Scripture also declares that, "He that loves not, does not know God." I'm sure that that does not mean just one's little group, because Jesus told us to love our ENEMIES.
We are also instructed that, if we see one taken in a fault, those which are spiritual are to restore that one "in a spirit of meekness", considering themselves, lest they also be tempted.
Where is the meekness? Everything that I have told you IS TRUE, but I have been 'dogged' with 'liar' in nearly every post recently. I did write 'singing' instead of 'saying', because that is a common report of the angels. Also I gave BCN instead of Zionica (both Christian online news). Those were not 'lies'. There was no intent to deceive.
There is NO WAY that any of you could know whether the incidents that I gave were true...but you have called them lies without knowing if they were true, and in spite of being told that they were true. They are not hearsay...I was there.
"Bring EVERY thought into subjection to the mind of Christ." "The power of life and death are in the tongue."
For your own sake, give Jesus a chance with your heart. Perhaps your flesh is ruling your thoughts. I would hate to think that you have been taught to behave that way...if so, you need a new Teacher. This is why that we attempt to point out some of the fallacies in ANY denomination...not just the CC.
KayMarie
Here's what you posted yesterday morning:

confrinting with the word
"GOD IS FAITHFUL."


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Today's "News":

The Pope has issued a new book about Christmas. Seems that there WERE NO ANGELS SINGING ON THE NIGHT JESUS WAS BORN.(Took him 2,000 years to 'discover' that?) Besides THAT is one item that is recorded in scripture.

Talk about 'change'!

And there are other issues...don't recall all of the review. Find it in Breaking Christian News.

KayMarie"

You didn't JUST write singing instead of saying, you included snide and contemptuous remarks directed at the pope as though he was ignorant of scripture.

Would you say that writing "Seems that there WERE NO ANGELS SINGING ON THE NIGHT JESUS WAS BORN.(Took him 2,000 years to 'discover' that?)" is just mistakenly typing singing instead of saying?

Would you say that writing "Besides THAT is one item that is recorded in scripture." is just mistakenly typing singing instead of saying?

Would you say that writing "Talk about 'change'!" is just mistakenly typing singing instead of saying?

Your problem Kay (and your husband's) is that you feel absolutely no remorse for attacking the pope because you have nothing but contempt for him and the Catholic Church. You feel justified in repeating any slander, truthful or not.

Your nice little "from the heart" is simply your feeble attempt to appear like a nice lady, when in fact most know that you and you husband harbor a deep seated hatred for Catholics.

"They are not hearsay...I was there."

That's a lie. You weren't in the confessional. You weren't with your friend as he spoke to the priest.

"For your own sake, give Jesus a chance with your heart."

You really need to take your own advice. Your behaiviour is far from Christ-like.

Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#404480 Nov 24, 2012
jonah the prophet wrote:
<quoted text>why do you post on here, you bring no sembalance of intelligence just as mr fraud doesnt.
Preston in disguise as jonah the prophet. Lets all play along with his silly game.

Clark Kent does a better job hiding his identity as SUPERMAN than you do Preston as JONAH THE "FALSE" PROPHET.





Clay

Chicago, IL

#404481 Nov 24, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>25Nov12.....
.....and you do NOT have to bother to post at all.
Ps:...ALL members know vot you are going to say anyways...what vit your schidt-for-brains.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
To think....I was going to apologize to you for saying your shtick is annoying. I actually felt bad about that..

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#404482 Nov 24, 2012
inquisition Continued

Modern times

By 1500, the Catholic Church had reached an apparently dominant position as the established religious authority in western and central Europe dominating a faith-landscape in which Judaism, Waldensianism, Hussitism, Lollardry and the finally conquered Muslims al-Andalus (the Muslim-dominated Spain) hardly figured in terms of numbers or influence. When the institutions of the Church felt themselves threatened by what they perceived as the heresy, and then schism of the Protestant Reformation, they reacted. Paul III (Pope from 1534 to 1549) established a system of tribunals, administered by the "Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Universal Inquisition", and staffed by cardinals and other Church officials. This system would later become known as the Roman Inquisition. In 1908 Pope Saint Pius X renamed the organisation: it became the "Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office". This in its turn became the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith"[11] in 1965, which name continues to this day.
Functional role

In practice, the Inquisition would not itself pronounce sentence, but handed over convicted heretics to secular authorities for the punishment deemed fitting by the Church.[12] The laws were inclusive of proscriptions against certain religious crimes (heresy, etc.), and the punishments included death by burning, although imprisonment often for life or banishment could be used. Thus the inquisitors generally knew what would be the fate of anyone so remanded, and cannot be considered to have divorced the means of determining guilt from its effects.[13]
Purpose

The 1578 handbook for inquisitors spelled out the purpose of inquisitorial penalties:... quoniam punitio non refertur primo & per se in correctionem & bonum eius qui punitur, sed in bonum publicum ut alij terreantur, & a malis committendis avocentur. Translation from the Latin:... for punishment does not take place primarily and per se for the correction and good of the person punished, but for the public good in order that others may become terrified and weaned away from the evils they would commit.

NOTE
I would not have cut and pasted the above,,,

But

I am sick and tired of the denial of History of the
ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH...BY ROMAN CATHOLICS HERE IN THIS FORUM

AND BEING CALL A LIAR EVERY TIME THE SUBJECT IS BROUGHT UP.

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