Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

[7th Day Catholics Rock]

1. "One True" Churches Claim to be the Only One

http://www.theholdemans.com/Compare.htm

One true church

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_true_church

Does Jesus Want One Church Today or Many?

http://www.gospelway.com/church/unique_church...

[passinby]

preston wrote:

<quoted text>I agree, as Christians,we enter into His rest with Him.
it makes no difference as to whether we consider Sunday as the 1st day or the 8th(I have heard of that before). the fact remains that His work was totally finished on Sunday. His death is very important to us but His Resurection is what puts Him above any other important person that has ever lived.
if he only died, then His work was uncompleted, we need that Resurection, to complete the Mission and work that His father gave Him

Tell me, was Messiah lying when he said he would be in the earth 3 days? By your reckoning of him dying on Good Friday he was only 1 1/2 days in the tomb. That's not a miracle, that's being unconscious. 3 days is the miracle since in that warm climate by that time his body would have begun to decay.

Unfortunately, the two of you come across as closet Catholics; since the Catholic church is the only religious authority who can claim to have changed the day of rest from the 7th/Saturday to the 1st/Sun Day. You both realize that the 1st Day/Sun Day is dedicated to Mithra right? And Easter/Ishtar is based on Semiramis, Nimrod, and Tammuz worship. My family are former Catholics.

And Yahusha died in the middle of the week (there were two Shabbats, Passover beginning Wednesday evening--nightfall--Roman time and the weekly 7th Day); and Yahusha rose on what the Roman time system calls Saturday evening. Yahusha was fulfilling the requirement of YHUH's Set Apart Times (Lev 23) as the Wave Sheaf Offering. Why do you think the Catholics call it H-ly Thursday, Good Friday and leave out the Sabbath (that's their competition)?

[TJ Monk]

preston wrote:

with this post, you can se why the sda cultist doesnt like me.lol
Seventh-day Adventists Falsely Claim They are the Only True Church
The key to the preceding quote I gave you is question #13, which mandates that a person joining the SDA Church MUST (without exception) believe that “the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy.” This means that all other religions, including Baptist and Presbyterian, are viewed as being of the Devil by SDAs. SDAs arrogantly, and sinfully, teach that their organization is the only True Church, and that everyone else is following the Devil.
I can proudly say that I am a Baptist; but there’s no such thing as “The Baptist Church.” Jesus never founded a “Baptist Church.” Jesus is the foundation of the Church, period (1st Corinthians 3:11). Thus, there are numerous denominations which teach the Word of God faithfully concerning the plan of salvation. The mighty evangelist, Billy Sunday, was a Presbyterian minister. The mighty pastor, Dwight Moody, was a Baptist. Many godly pastors are non-denominational. They are all a part of the Body of Christ. For any religious group, such as the SDAs or Jehovah’s Witnesses to claim that they are the only True Church is unbiblical and a false teaching.
Interesting, from looking at the “Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists”(outlined on pages 7-17 in the SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH MANUAL), Baptists and SDAs align almost identically doctrinally concerning the Godhead, the Deity of Jesus Christ, Jesus’ Shed Blood, the Virgin Birth, et cetera. In fact, some writers such as Walter Martin have made the fatal mistake of identifying the SDAs as a Christian cult. My friend, there is NO such thing as a “Christian cult.” SDA is a demonic cult, as you will learn in the next section.

You are a truly screwed freakshow. I worry about the people around you, as you are insane.

[preston]

passinby wrote:

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Tell me, was Messiah lying when he said he would be in the earth 3 days? By your reckoning of him dying on Good Friday he was only 1 1/2 days in the tomb. That's not a miracle, that's being unconscious. 3 days is the miracle since in that warm climate by that time his body would have begun to decay.
Unfortunately, the two of you come across as closet Catholics; since the Catholic church is the only religious authority who can claim to have changed the day of rest from the 7th/Saturday to the 1st/Sun Day. You both realize that the 1st Day/Sun Day is dedicated to Mithra right? And Easter/Ishtar is based on Semiramis, Nimrod, and Tammuz worship. My family are former Catholics.
And Yahusha died in the middle of the week (there were two Shabbats, Passover beginning Wednesday evening--nightfall--Roman time and the weekly 7th Day); and Yahusha rose on what the Roman time system calls Saturday evening. Yahusha was fulfilling the requirement of YHUH's Set Apart Times (Lev 23) as the Wave Sheaf Offering. Why do you think the Catholics call it H-ly Thursday, Good Friday and leave out the Sabbath (that's their competition)?

what ever you want, but I dont remember ever saying that it was on a Friday, but if you insist, you can choose the day, k?

but to help you out. you do need to know just how the Israelites chose to list their days and their hours..etc.

[preston]

TJ Monk wrote:

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You are a truly screwed freakshow. I worry about the people around you, as you are insane.

your presence is wanted on the gay/lesbian forum.

dont keep your friend waiting.

[hojo]

Clay wrote:

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You see what you wanna see.. And people get a thrill off Apocalyptic talk.
When I was a kid (in Catholic school) my friends and I would read Revelation all the time. We would bring it down to the lunch room and go over that stuff. Then, we'd compare it to the Metallica and Slayer songs we were listening to. Like "The Four Horsemen"
It was a cheap thrill.
You risk your soul adding things to Revelation. You're only fooling yourself if you think your justified teaching what you think the Angel told John.

Clay!!--Always enjoy your comments!! A happy and blessed Thanksgiving to you and your family!! We (my family and I) will remember you at Daily Mass!!

[passinby]

preston wrote:

<quoted text>what ever you want, but I dont remember ever saying that it was on a Friday, but if you insist, you can choose the day, k?
but to help you out. you do need to know just how the Israelites chose to list their days and their hours..etc.

It is not my words but the Dbar/Word of Aluhaym that matters and to which i defer. I don't believe that rebelling by doing away with Torah is the way to establish it. Our Saviour said not one Yud or one stroke would be changed from the YHUH's Torah (what Kristianay/Christians call "Law") until all be fulfilled. That fulfillment did not come with his resurrection since the fall feasts have not been fulfilled yet (Lev 23). We are not tabernacling with him in a physical sense yet either which is a requirement of the fulfillment of his word.

You and Robert F (?) were discussing a new creation. I haven't seen the sky split yet; have you? Sure we are being restored in the Ruach/spiritually but we are not the shalwm/completed new creation yet until our bodies change to be like Yahusha's. All of YHUH's words must be fulfilled for Him to be truthful and righteous as he is.

The entering YH's rest was Paul's way of letting the Hebrews know that belief in Yahusha was based on Torah; my forefathers were rebellious in the wilderness and never entered YH's rest as a result. In other words we have to emulate his action of resting on the 7th as he did from the very beginning. He never changed the day. My family's former churches did. My relative was a Yshralite hiding out as a Baptist until he learned about the Shabbat.'Course he could have become a 7th day Baptist; but i don't think he knew about that particular denomination.

Don't you know that the scriptures from Brshyt/Genesis onward (including Hanwkh/Enoch, Apocrypha, Josephus, and Jasher mentioned in Yahusha/Joshua to name a few) says evening and morning make the day? Tryin' to test me or something? It's written in black and white. Perhaps you think that justifies Easter/Ishtar? Nope. It fulfills the wave sheaf offering on the first day of the week (not a regular rest day or indicating a change in observing Sun Day as the Shabbat) to fulfill a requirement of Lev 23. But keep on with what appears to be closet Catholic you. My eyes and those of many others have been opened by the grace of Yahusha. You can go back to sleep if you want; but you do it at your own soul's peril.

[preston]

hojo wrote:

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Clay!!--Always enjoy your comments!! A happy and blessed Thanksgiving to you and your family!! We (my family and I) will remember you at Daily Mass!!

good night.

it has been so refreshing since confint and his wife have nor graced us with their presence.

when i was looking for that post by orville, i saw many posts from LTM to you.

she is one weird woman.

[Dust Storm]

Robert F wrote:
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preston
I kind of disagree with you here. It is our sense of "weekend", which is the problem.
On Good Friday, Jesus declared, It is finished. Yes....This is the 6th day of creation.
On Holy Saturday, he was dead, and buried....The work was finished. It was a time of rest in a sense, for the old creation....The seventh day....
On Resurrection Sunday, he was resurrected, and the new creation began. And this was of bodily form.
The problem is our secularization of the "weekend". Actually Saturday is the 7th day. And Sunday is either the 8th day, or the 1st day of a new week. This is what we are a part of, the New Creation, and it is perpetual....
But as you say he entered back into his rest. And we also when we become Christians enter it also....

For you Robert with your reasoning explained.

"Let no man judge you in meat and drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths."

Article on Sabbath contained.

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologeti...

http://www.catholicdoors.com/misc/apologetics...

[passinby]

preston wrote:

<quoted text>your presence is wanted on the gay/lesbian forum.
dont keep your friend waiting.

So this is your Christian way of attempting to save souls?

wow. just wow.

When i talk to gays and lesbians they know where i stand but it's not offensive.

[Grace Walker]

Truth wrote:

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Relationship with Christ is a relationship of LOVE...

Amen...So true

[passinby]

@Dust Storm

...When Paul writes let no man judge you... etc in the KJV you'll notice italics (which are inserted words to help the meaning along; only this time they were inserted to mislead).

Paul is telling the new Hebrews not to let their pagan associates judge or condemn them but to rely on the Body of Mashiach who could guide them appropriately in keeping the set apart times of YHUH (Lev 23).

The Catholics tried to keep people in the dark with their superstitions. Some in my family were well within the hierarchy and know what was done to keep the people ignorant. Including putting people to death for reading the KJV without Catholic authority say-so.

Plucking grain to satisfy hunger on Shabbat or saving an animal is not breaking it; since Shabbat is all about mercy; bringing rest to a hungry person or distressed animal is a righteous thing to do; the Pharisees (precursors of the Talmud) were the ones who were bent out of shape. The lack of compassion is what Yahusha was addressing; not breaking the Shabbat. They didn't gather grain for later or for gain which would have been a transgression; just to satisfy their immediate hunger.

Look for excuses or nitpick all you want; Yahusha never kept Sun Day nor sanctified it for regular rest. When He arose Saturday evening He was fulfilling his role as part of the best of the first fruits of believers (the wave sheaf offering) since he is the Rosh/head of the body of believers who must be changed to be like him on the last great day.

Nothing will change from the YH's word until every last thing is fulfilled including Shatan being destroyed and earth being renewed. That has not happened yet.

[Fr Robert Dye]

passinby wrote:

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Tell me, was Messiah lying when he said he would be in the earth 3 days? By your reckoning of him dying on Good Friday he was only 1 1/2 days in the tomb. That's not a miracle, that's being unconscious. 3 days is the miracle since in that warm climate by that time his body would have begun to decay.
Unfortunately, the two of you come across as closet Catholics; since the Catholic church is the only religious authority who can claim to have changed the day of rest from the 7th/Saturday to the 1st/Sun Day. You both realize that the 1st Day/Sun Day is dedicated to Mithra right? And Easter/Ishtar is based on Semiramis, Nimrod, and Tammuz worship. My family are former Catholics.
And Yahusha died in the middle of the week (there were two Shabbats, Passover beginning Wednesday evening--nightfall--Roman time and the weekly 7th Day); and Yahusha rose on what the Roman time system calls Saturday evening. Yahusha was fulfilling the requirement of YHUH's Set Apart Times (Lev 23) as the Wave Sheaf Offering.
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Why do you think the Catholics call it H-ly Thursday, Good Friday and leave out the Sabbath (that's their competition)?

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Wait, wat?
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Did they take Holy Saturday of the calendar when I wasn't looking?
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As for "3 days," by Jewish counting, Jesus WAS in the tomb 3 days. 1. Friday. 2. Saturday. 3. Sunday.
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That's it. Count 'em. THREE.
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One cold say this is not the way we (Americans, or perhaps English speakers) count.
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That's true. But it's NOT the only way to count.
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Mexicans say "today and 8" when the mean "a week from today." The count "1" on "today," when Americans would count "1" on " tomorrow," and say "a week from today," or "in 7 days."
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What is perhaps more interesting is that Jesus dies about 3:00 PM.

3:00 PM on Saturday would be 24 hours. 3:00 AM Sunday would be 36 hours. 4 MORE hours would be 7:00 AM, 40 hours after Jesus died.
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Now, if you want to take the 40 as literal you can, but it is also useful toknow that 40 can be (scripturally) a symbolic number meaning "enough," or "a sufficient time."
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40 years in the desert. Enough time.
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40 days and nights of rain. Sufficient.
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Let the raspberries begin!
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Rob

[guest]

jethro8 wrote:

ok so you admit the 25th is not jesus' true birth date,(historians put it around sept.) and they changed the sabbath without true devine authority,so the c.c. could not be the church of which crists speaks of or rather does not speak of,"MY CHURCH"does not translate into catholic church,or any other church.and as stated in my other post,if god is the creator of the universe his church would not be confined to one planet,it would not be a building but a universal spiritual church.it's the only thing that makes sense.gods/jesus' church would be perfect an we know for a fact there is no such thing of a perfect church on earth.

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Clay wrote:

I don't think anyone ever believed Dec 25th was Jesus actual Birthday.
As for your other claims...
The Church had the authority to change the Sabbath, because Jesus gave them the Authority.
Sunday was set aside from the earliest possible beginnings of the Church. So people in various cults like SDAs, are in effect, changing what the Apostles clearly taught.

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Hey jethro8,

According to followers of the Catholic Church, Jesus gave them every authority to do whatever they wanted to do and whatever happens to strike their fancy at the time -- and no-one is allowed to question this. They can even torture and murder heretics in Jesus' name if they so desire, because Jesus himself gave the Pope the authority!
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Imagine that! The Pope AND his ardent followers - can do acts of horror that would most certainly make the Devil proud and claim that Jesus authorized them to! Then they can turn around (sometimes immediately and sometimes years later) and say "OOPS! we made a mistake and the individuals who did *those things* were evil and most certainly non-Catholic."
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Yet they claim an UNBROKEN chain of popes going back to the time of Peter himself.(And everybody knows that some popes were so evil they would make even the devil blush.)
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So. In an unbroken chain of popes - how can some be deemed as non-Catholic AFTER they are dead and buried, and yet at the same time, claim that there is an unbroken chain of popes?
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Catholicism is nothing but double-think. It has to be. And because the truth is not in them. They can't handle the truth.

[confrinting with the word]

preston wrote:

<quoted text>your presence is wanted on the gay/lesbian forum.
dont keep your friend waiting.

~~~
How would you know what your gay/lesbian friends want...except you are

one of them...Did they send you to solicit members for their forum?

[4GVN]

preston wrote:

with this post, you can se why the sda cultist doesnt like me.lol
Seventh-day Adventists Falsely Claim They are the Only True Church
The key to the preceding quote I gave you is question #13, which mandates that a person joining the SDA Church MUST (without exception) believe that “the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy.” This means that all other religions, including Baptist and Presbyterian, are viewed as being of the Devil by SDAs. SDAs arrogantly, and sinfully, teach that their organization is the only True Church, and that everyone else is following the Devil.
I can proudly say that I am a Baptist; but there’s no such thing as “The Baptist Church.” Jesus never founded a “Baptist Church.” Jesus is the foundation of the Church, period (1st Corinthians 3:11). Thus, there are numerous denominations which teach the Word of God faithfully concerning the plan of salvation. The mighty evangelist, Billy Sunday, was a Presbyterian minister. The mighty pastor, Dwight Moody, was a Baptist. Many godly pastors are non-denominational. They are all a part of the Body of Christ. For any religious group, such as the SDAs or Jehovah’s Witnesses to claim that they are the only True Church is unbiblical and a false teaching.
Interesting, from looking at the “Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists”(outlined on pages 7-17 in the SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH MANUAL), Baptists and SDAs align almost identically doctrinally concerning the Godhead, the Deity of Jesus Christ, Jesus’ Shed Blood, the Virgin Birth, et cetera. In fact, some writers such as Walter Martin have made the fatal mistake of identifying the SDAs as a Christian cult. My friend, there is NO such thing as a “Christian cult.” SDA is a demonic cult, as you will learn in the next section.

Then how would you explain why nobody else likes you?

[Dust Storm]

passinby wrote:

@Dust Storm
...When Paul writes let no man judge you... etc in the KJV you'll notice italics (which are inserted words to help the meaning along; only this time they were inserted to mislead).
Paul is telling the new Hebrews not to let their pagan associates judge or condemn them but to rely on the Body of Mashiach who could guide them appropriately in keeping the set apart times of YHUH (Lev 23).
The Catholics tried to keep people in the dark with their superstitions. Some in my family were well within the hierarchy and know what was done to keep the people ignorant. Including putting people to death for reading the KJV without Catholic authority say-so.
Plucking grain to satisfy hunger on Shabbat or saving an animal is not breaking it; since Shabbat is all about mercy; bringing rest to a hungry person or distressed animal is a righteous thing to do; the Pharisees (precursors of the Talmud) were the ones who were bent out of shape. The lack of compassion is what Yahusha was addressing; not breaking the Shabbat. They didn't gather grain for later or for gain which would have been a transgression; just to satisfy their immediate hunger.
Look for excuses or nitpick all you want; Yahusha never kept Sun Day nor sanctified it for regular rest. When He arose Saturday evening He was fulfilling his role as part of the best of the first fruits of believers (the wave sheaf offering) since he is the Rosh/head of the body of believers who must be changed to be like him on the last great day.
Nothing will change from the YH's word until every last thing is fulfilled including Shatan being destroyed and earth being renewed. That has not happened yet.

Good Grief! I will dismiss your ignorant hate rhetoric on putting people to death for bible reading kjv. The one misleading is you.

Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment.

Now the subject is the Sabbath, but the point is the same. You are a Judaizer. Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles and he isnt putting more rules on their head.

Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. He said come to me those who are weary and I will give you rest. You laden them up with burdens which Peter argued at the council of Jerusalem that were unable to be met.

If you had bothered to read the article rather than respond with this rubbish which was not directed to you then perhaps you may have said something that pertained to it.

I would suggest you look to the Hebrew Catholic Association. For the first time since James their is now a Bishop in Jerusalem who is of Jewish Ancestry. You will not find a single writing of any early father including Ignatious appointed by St John who agree with what you have said here.

Facts however are irrelevant to most protestants and I venture to say you may be a Messianic Jew. The prophet Osee wrote about the Sabbath. I have to wonder when you are going to sacrifice on the alter and why arent you stoning people?

Ah never mind I dont have the time nor desire. You have already shown your true nature with your hate filled rhetoric and you criticize Preston? LOL Good one!

[Dom]

About time I see some good comments on the Church. I love our Savior and He is the Eucharist of God that keeps us together.

[marge]

confrinting with the word wrote:

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~~~
How would you know what your gay/lesbian friends want...except you are
one of them...Did they send you to solicit members for their forum?

I told you he went off the deep end, that's what it says happens when one is expelled from the brotherhood, Preston is not in our hands...

[marge]

passinby wrote:

<quoted text>
So this is your Christian way of attempting to save souls?
wow. just wow.
When i talk to gays and lesbians they know where i stand but it's not offensive.

Romans One is the straight-forward Truth to share;

either one worships the creation or the Creator;

A clear choice, the Truth in Love.