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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 687387 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#404655 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
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The Inquisition itself wasn't evil. It was noble and legit...so were the Crusades.
Protestants have been fed a huge BS sandwich for centuries, and they took a bite out of it.
Bigotry took precedent over truth.
THE INQUISITION ITSELF WASN'T EVIL??????? So can you really see JESUS leading HIS 'one true church' to torture and murder heritics, protestants, or ANYONE ELSE? Of course not. If you have any understanding of who JESUS is. Are you really ABLE to think for yourself at all?
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404656 Nov 24, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Some how I just don't see Jesus leading HIS church to go out and kill off a few heritics to prevent thing from getting worse. Do you really think about the unchristian ignorance you spew out to defend YOUR church? Do you think that the HOLY Spirit was leading the 'ONE TRUE CHURCH' into this period of torture and murder? BUY A CLUE. You sound more like a radical Muslim terrorist than a follower of Christ.
The point is, there wasn't torture and murder by the Catholic Church. You been lied to and you took it. Heck....you're still taking it
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404657 Nov 24, 2012
LTM wrote:
Beatification and canonisation of flawed figures
Spain's Roman Catholic bishops want to canonise Queen Isabella, who started the Inquisition to torture and kill heretics, ethnically cleansed the Jews and Muslims, and brought genocide to the Americas.
Saint Francis Xavier brought the Inquisition to India, which tortured and executed thousands of innocent people.
Sir Thomas More was canonised in 1935, and is glorified in the film A Man for All Seasons.
This vile murderer burned alive heretics and reformers, just because their superstitious beliefs differed from his own stupid beliefs. The fact that he himself was killed for the same reason does not suddenly absolve him of his crimes. Indeed, it seems like justice.
"Sir Thomas More: A Man for One Season" by James Wood.
Sir Thomas More was a religious maniac who wore a hairshirt, deliberately mortifying his body. He also practiced flagellation.
Pius IX (Pope 1846-78)(and here) was beatified in 2000.
Pius IX refused to support a society for the prevention of cruelty to animals. He said that: "such an association could not be sanctioned by the Holy See, being founded on a theological error, to wit, that Christians owed any duties to animals."
Pius IX was the last Pope to have temporal power, and to be able to abuse those unlucky enough to live in the Papal States.
In 1858, Pius IX's police brutally removed a 6 year old Jewish boy, Edgardo Mortara, from his parents and forcibly raised him as a Catholic. The pleas of Edgardo's distraught parents counted for nothing. They never got their little boy back. This is minor compared with the brutality of the church throughout history, but the sheer cruelty of it makes Pius IX a disgusting figure that no decent person should respect.
Anti-Defamation League Statement on Beatification of Pope Pius IX
Judaism and Christianity are not real, the soul and baptism are not real, but a mother's love is real. A mother's pain is real.
St. Maximilian Kolbe, who was martyred by the Nazis in Auschwitz in 1941, was, it is sad to say, a high-profile Polish anti-semite before the war. He wrote for a large audience on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the alleged Jewish-Zionist-Masonic-Communi st conspiracy, and so on. While Kolbe himself went on to save, not kill, Jews, who knows what brutal acts during the war were inspired by his pre-war words?
Pius XII, Pope during the Holocaust - in line for beatification.
If you cling to those cult pamphlets LTM, they will lead you straight to hell. Avoid them at all costs. Don't be so gullible.
Pad

Fishers, IN

#404658 Nov 24, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Ethnic Cleansing in Ireland
The Prejudice and Discrimination against Catholic beliefs in Northern Ireland is ongoing.
In China the government killed more of their own race than any other nation, in Russia the government killed more Russians than any other government. In Germany the government killed more German people than any other county. In 2008 in Africa the Natives are being killed by their own race. It is Power and Greed (Power from Above) supported by the (Pressure from below). Crime (pressure from below) and lawlessness rises and government (power from above ) takes control then to control the crime. Nothing new. "History repeats itself". Thus the opportunity for Life, Liberty and Happiness declines.
Noraid.com hopes to provide to the general public who ARE NOT AWARE OF THE So-called GREAT HUNGER IN IRELAND THAT CAUSED WIDESPREAD STARVATION FROM 1845-1852 and discrimination that remains to this very day in Northern Ireland and at the same time awaken those in the USA as to what the future may hold for them and their descendants.
HOWEVER, MANY PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT, AT THE SAME TIME, IRISH FARMS WERE PRODUCING PLENTY OF OTHER FOODS INCLUDING CORN, WHEAT, BARLEY, AND BEEF. THIS FOOD WAS CARTED AWAY BY THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT PAST THE STARVING MILLIONS OF MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND THEN TAKEN TO WEALTHY ENGLAND.
SOME PROTESTANT CHURCH MISSIONS IN ENGLAND SOUGHT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION BY TRYING TO "PROSELYTIZE" THE STARVING CATHOLICS.
THE STARVING VICTIMS WERE OFFERED FOOD IN RETURN FOR RENOUNCING THEIR CATHOLIC FAITH AND CONVERTING. DURING THE FAMINE THERE WERE MORE THAN 125 MISSIONS IN IRELAND FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONVERTING CATHOLICS.
http://www.noraid.com/Holocaust.htm
Church of England,Ireland and Wales,all either connected with Presbyterian or Anglicanism. Official state churches under the Monarchy of England.I read about the potato famines,and the British abuses ,the horrible hatred of Irish nationalism by the British,it is political as much as it is religious.AND do nto forget Dust Storm the Irish secretly helped and supported the Nazis against the British.

Institutional churchianity has been the culprit of anti-Christ behavior all through our history.Anabaptists are proof of what the Reformer churches imposed on those Christians who would not baptize infants.Thousands of Anabaptists were killed by the Reformed Churches because they held to the Biblical belief of Adult or accountable baptism.
truth

Perth, Australia

#404659 Nov 24, 2012
We not care what you say! no
Why?
Please explain!
What?
How your Creator created in beginning.. darkness..
Why is like that?
Your Creator creation..maybe..i think it is
constant creation determination then again recreation..about what?

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Why that have impact over humanity?
Many reason.

Are you for sure determination on other planet if they are used words determination..Did they determinated everything?

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What you see medium and large bigger?
What you can't see?
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Now tell me about bugs..yes..even hell can't destroy that..why is like that..I told you..you need respect..Hindu say even frog egg is spirit..yes within them is ''code=as formula''
Which formula?..You need discover.
Please tell me why ants exist many things like them as colony..o yes yes yes..What a about others thing what you never see in this present life..maybe its exist.

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4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#404660 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
From 1649 - 1652. One third of the Irish Catholic population was destroyed by the Protestants who wished to wipe out the Catholic faith in Ireland.
Priests were rounded up and murdered. Their bellys slit open as they hung from trees. Peasants were starved to death and woman and children were rounded up and sold into slavery.
Guest, next time you blurt out crusades crusades crusades inquisition inquistion....I hope you realize you haven't a clue on actual history.
The difference CLAY is that most of us have enough sense to know that that was wrong. We don't try to justify the evil on either side of the conflict in Ireland, MUCH UNLIKE YOU TRY TO JUSTIFY AND DEFEND THE EVIL INQUISITION.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404661 Nov 24, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>THE INQUISITION ITSELF WASN'T EVIL??????? So can you really see JESUS leading HIS 'one true church' to torture and murder heritics, protestants, or ANYONE ELSE? Of course not. If you have any understanding of who JESUS is. Are you really ABLE to think for yourself at all?
It would be good for you to do some normal research on it. In fact, learn what an INQUISITION actually is!!
Right now, you know nothing. Tomorrow, come back and talk about it. Be sure to read about the Protestants who also conducted Inquisitions to root out members who went against their religion.

And if you're tallying up a body count, you'll see that the Protestants far outnumber the Catholics in committing murder.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#404662 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't discuss the Inquistion with you people anymore. Its been talked about for a couple hrs now, and I am confident the Catholics on here presented a fair and logical case. If you choose to ignore it or avoid researching it yourself, then its on you. Not my problem.
Heck, Im used to this stuff going in one ear and out the other with you bigots.
By the way, The Inquisition was established by the Church to PREVENT wrongs committed by catholic mobs in various parts of Europe. It was a fair approach to the chaos of the time.
oF COURSE it goes in one ear and out the other. It is an unobstructed passageway. And it is not supprising that when you are questioned you duck out.LOL Perhaps I should remind you that you posted to me, not I to you. Now you can run along.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404663 Nov 24, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>The difference CLAY is that most of us have enough sense to know that that was wrong. We don't try to justify the evil on either side of the conflict in Ireland, MUCH UNLIKE YOU TRY TO JUSTIFY AND DEFEND THE EVIL INQUISITION.
BTW what Inquisition are you even talking about? The Spanish one?
Well, that was carried out by the Spanish Monarchy, not the Vatican.

Of course, your Protestant pastors would never tell you that would they?
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#404664 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The point is, there wasn't torture and murder by the Catholic Church. You been lied to and you took it. Heck....you're still taking it
Well,Clay, you are partially correct. It was not physically carried out by the Catholic Church, it was only orchestrated by the Catholic Church. Do you take comfort in that fact?
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#404665 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Goodness 4gvn, he posted that 3 days ago and you keep re-posting it as if you're having a current conversation about it.
If Fr. Dye is on the same page with Rome (and I know he is) than its all good.
So Clay, since you chose to interject your thoughts, tell me, ARE YOU in agreement with Rob's post? Just a simple yes or no will suffice.
Pad

Fishers, IN

#404666 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
If you cling to those cult pamphlets LTM, they will lead you straight to hell. Avoid them at all costs. Don't be so gullible.
Sorry Clay,but such propaganda can be found in the RC books as well against prots and non-Catholic Christians. History is recorded in a secular setting as well,and all churches are candidly exposed for whatever sins or flaws that have discredited them.Sorry if secular history records much of the disgrace and evil perpetrated by the RCC. It is all disturbing.But think of this Clay in spite of each and every one of our sins and sordid past,a SAVIOR is there to save us from glory to glory.

I do not believe a church is totally bad or totally good,because MEN and Women are in all of them,for better or worse,as a marriage as it were,our churches are the product of men and women flawed by their own sins,yet inspired by the same God as well.

When Jesus returns only than will the the true church be revealed,and the bride will be united with her husband.Why will we be changed in the twinkling of an eye from corruptible to incorruptible? Yes because of our flesh which retains our sinful nature,our evil past,our own stubborn will.But yet our spirits renewed by Christ knows no sin,that is why we battle constantly flesh against spirit.What church we attend and belong to today is our decision,We have the resources to live a holy life by the WORD,and His Spirit who bought us.

We argue here because many of us know that the institution is not what saves us,for it is flawed and sick at times, but Christ alone is the Savior,He gives grace and more grace as we yield to His love.The Holy Spirit is our Comforter,the Word does not tell us that any human being can be our comforter save the Holy Spirit.If it were so,the Lord would have told us that He would send many men and women to comfort us,but instead He said that He would send the Comforter.

To love the church is to love every believer,not some institution of man made substance,but the believer in Christ who is a member of the Body of Christ.We all who have embraced Christ are members of His Body,and that is the church.I do not know what you see when you see the c h u r c h,but when I see it I see all believers who are born of the Spirit of God,washed in the Blood of Christ,and filled with the Holy Spirit of Promise.But that is what we should become,and only in Christ do we have that truth to be complete in the Day of the LORD,our God. When we attack each other's institutions we forget that we are really part of His Body,because Christ has made it so through Calvary.But institutional church structure is our human effort to fulfill Christ's mandate to make disciples of all nations.Christ always remains above our human efforts to institutionalize His body.History as proven to us our fallacy in this way,but we remain bound to our traditions.

Well in spite of this we can still KNOW and LOVE the Lord Jesus Christ,and follow Him even to the death!
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#404667 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The point is, there wasn't torture and murder by the Catholic Church. You been lied to and you took it. Heck....you're still taking it
Not in the sense that they wish to portray.

They cannot comprehend as many in America cant nor do they understand the freedoms Americans or the west have. They were all beating war drums before the Iraq war.

I have no doubt LTM would be more than happy to submit to Islam or be put to death for having a bible which is the current penalty in Saudi Arabia. I am sure she was just fine with planes being flown into the WTC. I have no doubt she would have absolutely no problem at all if she, her parents or children were raped, murdered, tortured, forced to convert or if allowed to exist at all would pay most of your wages for the priveledge of being allowed to exist. I know of course no protestants have a problem with the many in the middle east right now who are being forced to leave to survive.(sarcasm) Well to be fair I am sure ltm is ok with it as long as they are Catholic and as long as it doesnt concern her where she lives. I am sure she would have no problem at all if Israel was wiped off the earth. Yeah she could just go to Saudi Arabia right now and whip out her kjv and show them how its done.

Islam means submission, and not just a passive submission to the book of Islam, the Koran. Submission for the followers of Mohammed means to carry out the will of Allah in history. The Muslim doctrine of the jihad, or holy war, stemmed from the ideas of the prophet himself—that is, that it was Allah’s will for a permanent war to reign until the rule of Islam extended over all the world. Hence Islam’s political domination could be, and was, spread by the sword. This is why Hillaire Belloc predicted almost a century ago that the West could again see a threat from Islam:

“It very nearly destroyed us. It kept up the battle against Christendom actively for a thousand years, and the story is by no means over; the power of Islam may at any moment re-arise”(5)
(5) Hillaire Belloc, The Great Heresies, Chapter Four
But, back to the history. By the second half of the 12th century, the Turks had brandished the sword and were creating considerable hardships for Western pilgrims in the East. Travel was no longer safe for Christian pilgrims without an armed escort, and even then, Christians who managed to return to the West had dreadful tales of persecution to tell.

When the call for a Crusade was finally made by Blessed Pope Urban II at Clermont in 1095, he stressed the outrages suffered by fellow Christians at the hands of the militant Muslims:
“They [the Muslim Turks] have invaded the lands of those Christians and have depopulated them by the sword, pillage and fire; they have led away a part of the captives into their own country, and a part they have destroyed by cruel tortures .… They circumcise the Christians, and the blood of the circumcision they either spread upon the altars or pour into the vases of the baptismal font. When they wish to torture people by a base death, they perforate their navels, and dragging forth the extremity of the intestines, bind it to a stake; then with flogging they lead the victim around until the viscera having gushed forth the victim falls prostrate upon the ground. Others they bind to a post and pierce with arrows. Others they compel to extend their necks and then, attacking them with naked swords, attempt to cut through the neck with a single blow. What shall I say of the abominable rape of the women? To speak of it is worse than to be silent .… On whom therefore is the labor of avenging these wrongs and of recovering this territory incumbent, if not upon you?”(6)
(6) Dana C. Munro,“Urban and the Crusaders”, Translations and Reprints from the Original Sources of European History, Vol. 1:2,(Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1895), 5-8

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologeti...
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404668 Nov 24, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>oF COURSE it goes in one ear and out the other. It is an unobstructed passageway. And it is not supprising that when you are questioned you duck out.LOL Perhaps I should remind you that you posted to me, not I to you. Now you can run along.
Ireland 1649

The Catholic Faith is banned by invading Protestants. Churches are desecrated. A bounty of ten pounds is placed on each Priests head. Those captured are hung until nearly dead, their stomachs cut open with cleaving knives, disembowled while still alive then beheaded.
Finally, their bodies are chopped in 4 pcs. Anyone found harboring a Priest is hanged immediately.
Nevertheless, it is Sunday, and you owe an obligation to God that is higher than any in the English Government. Arising at Midnight, your wife readies the children for the long chilly walk to Mass......
read more
catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm...
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404669 Nov 24, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>So Clay, since you chose to interject your thoughts, tell me, ARE YOU in agreement with Rob's post? Just a simple yes or no will suffice.
I chimed in two days ago.

Water Baptism is the rite of Christian initiation for infants. Just like Circumcision is for Jews. Its what Christ wanted. Its what Christians practiced for 1,800 yrs.
You changed this, why? Who gave 4gvn the authority to do so?
Pad

Fishers, IN

#404670 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
BTW what Inquisition are you even talking about? The Spanish one?
Well, that was carried out by the Spanish Monarchy, not the Vatican.
Of course, your Protestant pastors would never tell you that would they?
Spanish Monarchy accompanied by priests,bishops,and cardinals sent by the holy See to monitor as it were,not stopping the inhuman torture,allegations,arrests,im prisonments,and finally the horrible burning at the stake,the many victims of the Inquisitions both in Europe outside of Spain,in Spain and Portugal,for 6 centuries,and it spread its evil tentacles even to the Americas.

That same Spanish Monarchy attended the Mass every day as it was their tradition,and gave full rights to their subordinates to JOIN the Church in the carnage of free citizens in Christ,or Judaism or Islam,even atheists and any person considered a possible heretic or "enemy of Roman Catholicism".It is all documented in secular history,sorry but a fact and sad,tormenting but forgotten,and now remembered here on this forum,to shock Catholic readers into the realization that their most glorious church has sunk to the most despicable depths to insure its institutional grip on the society of their times.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#404672 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I chimed in two days ago.
Water Baptism is the rite of Christian initiation for infants. Just like Circumcision is for Jews. Its what Christ wanted. Its what Christians practiced for 1,800 yrs.
You changed this, why? Who gave 4gvn the authority to do so?
Golly Gee, Clay. YOu forgot to answer the question. Try again. DO YOU AGREE WITH ROB'S POST? YES or NO? Can you answer this simple question.
And what is a 'rite of Christian initation'? In your own words, if you can. That was a joke. Of course you can't.
truth

Perth, Australia

#404673 Nov 24, 2012
tot+h=toth
12 piramide

oh oh really
what a about 24 + 1..who is one?
''25'' why my number
25=1/4
then where is another 3x
sphere
north east south west

which 1/4 will be safe
only one 1/4 will be safe
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hh
i need calculated
shhhhhhhhhhh
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#404674 Nov 24, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
.
While it is true that we as Catholics practice infant baptism, I seriously doubt it it truly ne essary for anyone who has not attained the age of reason.
.
Rob
Do you agree with this statement ,Clay?
Read the question carfully, and try to actually answer it. Thanks in advance for your 'effort'.
Pad

Fishers, IN

#404675 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Ireland 1649
The Catholic Faith is banned by invading Protestants. Churches are desecrated. A bounty of ten pounds is placed on each Priests head. Those captured are hung until nearly dead, their stomachs cut open with cleaving knives, disembowled while still alive then beheaded.
Finally, their bodies are chopped in 4 pcs. Anyone found harboring a Priest is hanged immediately.
Nevertheless, it is Sunday, and you owe an obligation to God that is higher than any in the English Government. Arising at Midnight, your wife readies the children for the long chilly walk to Mass......
read more
catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm...
Henry the Eighths church,a spawn of Roman Catholicism with priests,nuns and other clergy,deacons and brothers,even having monasteries such as those of Saint Benedict.Today a Catholic convert from Anglicanism in England can find those disgruntled with that decision.But the truth is that two brothers,siblings of religious institutional hiearchies hate one another,and to this day there still is rivalry.The English are known for their stubborn ethnocentrism,and their anglicanism is a stronghold of identity to every British subject.The Roman Catholic Church to a Britisher who is Anglican,represents Italian domination of their church,anglicanism is English to the core,and they hate everything that is not British running their lives and especially their church.

The Irish always remained a threat to English sovereignty,because they clung to the Italian Roman Church.It is nationalistic pride that remains even to this day in the British,the Irish to them are seditious in their pride of Roman Catholicism.The British are at odds at times with the Scots and Welsh as well.I lived in South Wales for a year plus several months,believe me the British are tolerated in Wales,but not loved.Yes they may love Prince Henry,but they would sooner be Wales a separate country from Britain.

The Scottish people have always had a bone of contention with England.Even though both Scotland and Wales are basically Protestant,they are not solidly nor ever were Anglican in majority.The Scots embraced Presbyterianism with John Knox,and the Welsh have their brand of Presbyterian/Evangelical church.Anglicans exist of course in both countries and they are not the majority.But because of their protestant roots all three countries have been allied to each other in politics,and defense against enemies.But it is quite clear that both in Scotland and Wales there are many who dislike Britain(England).

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