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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 665354 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#404593 Nov 24, 2012
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oh. NOW I get it.
The state officials that did all the torture and murder for the Catholic Church were what?...Protestant?
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hellooOooo the *state officials* who did the murder and torture were CATHOLIC or else it could NOT have happened! or wait could they have been Muslim? or Pagan?
guest

A little more:

"James Gruet
In January, 1547 in Calvin's Geneva, one James Gruet, a kind of free-thinker of dubious morals, was alleged to have posted a note which implied that Calvin should leave the city:
He was at once arrested and a house to house search made for his accomplices. This method failed to reveal anything except that Gruet had written on one of Calvin's tracts the words 'all rubbish.' The judges put him to the rack twice a day, morning and evening, for a whole month ... He was sentenced to death for blasphemy and beheaded on July 26, 1547 ... Evangelical freedom had now arrived at the point where its champions took a man's life ... merely for writing a lampoon!
(Huizinga, 176; cf. Daniel-Rops, 82-83)"

Kind of reminds me of radical fundamentalist Islam at this time, except Calvin's Geneva loved torture first....before killing.

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#404594 Nov 24, 2012
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oh. NOW I get it.
The state officials that did all the torture and murder for the Catholic Church were what?...Protestant?
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hellooOooo the *state officials* who did the murder and torture were CATHOLIC or else it could NOT have happened! or wait could they have been Muslim? or Pagan?
guest

Just one more....and then let the matter rest.

"The most infamous execution in Geneva was that of Michael Servetus, a Spanish physician who denied the Trinity, and was a sort of Gnostic pantheist. He was burned alive.... He had met Calvin, and the latter declared on February 13, 1547 in a letter to Farel:
If he comes, provided my authority prevails I will not suffer him to return home alive.
(Daniel-Rops, 186)

In 1554 Calvin wrote the treatise Against the Errors of Servetus, in which he tried to justify his cruel action: Many people have accused me of such ferocious cruelty that (they allege) I would like to kill again the man I have destroyed. Not only am I indifferent to their comments, but I rejoice in the fact that they spit in my face.
(Daniel-Rops, 191)

Melanchthon, in a letter to Calvin and Bullinger, gave 'thanks to the Son of God'... and called the burning 'a pious and memorable example to all posterity.' Bucer declared from his pulpit in Strasbourg that Servetus had deserved to be disemboweled and torn to pieces. Bullinger, generally humane, agreed that civil magistrates must punish blasphemy with death.
(Durant, 484)"

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#404595 Nov 24, 2012
Happy Thanksgiving, All!

"The Church of ALL people have six new Cardinals, from America, Lebanon, India, Nigeria, Columbia, Philippines…

“Vatican Radio) Pope Benedict XVI created six new Cardinals on Saturday in an Ordinary Public Consistory for the purpose here at the Vatican. The six new “Princes of the Church” are: Archbishop James M. Harvey, Prefect of the Papal Household; His Beatitude, Bechara Boutros Raï, Maronite Patriarch of Antioch in Lebanon; His Beatitude, Baselios Cleemis Thottunkal, Major Archbishop of Trivandrum in India and head of the Syro-Malankara Church; Archbishop John Olorunfemi Onaiyekan of Abuja, Nigeria; Archbishop Ruben Salazar Gomez of Bogotá, Colombia; and Archbishop Luis Antonio Tagle of Manila in the Philippines. The Cardinals are the “Clergy of Rome”. They are responsible for electing the Bishop of Rome, who is the Pope: the Successor to St. Peter, and Vicar of Christ on Earth – the universal Pastor of the universal Church. Pope Benedict XVI took the universality of the Church as the theme of his allocution to the participants in the Consistory, focusing the meaning of the word,“Catholic”–“A word,” he said,“which indicates an essential feature of the Church and her mission.” Below, please find the full text of the Holy Father's allocution“

“I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church”

http://en.radiovaticana.va/articolo.asp...

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#404598 Nov 24, 2012
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from every angle possible? NOT! You argue ONLY those angles which are CONVENIENT for you and don't actually require you to examine it from the angle of TRUTH.
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Catholics go to great lengths to IGNORE the truth in God Word. Starting with IGNORING the very word of Christ when he said, "Call no MAN your Father." .... and it only goes downhill from there.-
Please - IF you are so inclined would you show me from the Word of God that it is OK for the Catholic church to:-
1) Launch the Crusades,
2) Torture and Murder in the Inquisition,
3) Systematically cover-up the RAPING of CHILDREN for TWO thousand years.-
IF you can prove how this was OK for the Catholic Church to do, then I will believe you have the truth.-
What YOUR CHURCH binds on earth is bound in heaven *IF* and *ONLY IF* it is indeed the TRUTH - so additionally you need to prove that since your church has bound on earth, the following ... then Christ did as he promised and bound it in Heaven:
the Crusades,
the Torture and Murder of the Inquisition,
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the RAPING of CHILDREN ... for TWO THOUSAND years.-
If you can't look at YOUR church from THOSE angles, you have NOT looked at it from EVERY angle! Why can you not understand that?
Are you mentally incapable of any understanding???
It has been answered over, and over, and over. You seem to ignornore everything to suit your believe, or to fit with YOUR own agenda!

The Church that Jesus started does not approve of pedophilia. PERIOD!
[like none of your protestant pastors haven’t raped women, and children, and even killed people. huh? On this anniversary of the Jim Jones massacre. Rolling eyes here.]

Second read your Bible [I know it’s the protestants way, to skip verses]…. Read all of it.

“Catholics call their priests "Father" because in all matters pertaining to Christ's holy faith they perform the duties of a father, representing God. The priest is the agent of the Christian's supernatural birth and sustenance in the world. "Father" is a title which does not conflict in the slightest with Matthew 23:9. Christ forbids the Christian to acknowledge any fatherhood which conflicts with the Fatherhood of God – just as He commands the Christian to "hate" his father, mother, wife, and his own life, insofar as these conflict with the following of Christ.(Luke 14:26). But Christ does not forbid Christians to call His own representatives by the name of "Father." Catholic priests share in the priesthood of Jesus Christ (not a human priesthood), and their sacred ministry partakes of the Fatherhood of God.
Like St. Paul (himself a Catholic priest), every Catholic priest can refer to the souls he has spiritually begotten as his children in Christ.(1 Cor. 4:14). St. Paul considered himself to be the spiritual father, in Christ, of the Corinthians: "For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you." (I Cor. 4:15). The title of "Father" is entirely proper for an ordained priest of Jesus Christ.”

“ The so-called bloody Inquisitions, which were initiated by the civil governments of
France and Spain for the purpose of ferreting out Moslems and Jews who were causing social havoc by posing as faithful Catholic citizens – even as priests and bishops – were indeed approved by the Church.(Non-Catholics who admitted they were non-Catholics were left alone by the Inquisition.) And the vast majority of those questioned by the Inquisition (including St. Teresa of Avila) were completely cleared. Nevertheless, the popes roundly condemned the proceedings when they saw justice giving way to cruel abuses, and it was this insistent condemnation by the popes which finally put an end to the Inquisitions.”

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#404599 Nov 24, 2012
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from every angle possible? NOT! You argue ONLY those angles which are CONVENIENT for you and don't actually require you to examine it from the angle of TRUTH.
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Catholics go to great lengths to IGNORE the truth in God Word. Starting with IGNORING the very word of Christ when he said, "Call no MAN your Father." .... and it only goes downhill from there.-
Please - IF you are so inclined would you show me from the Word of God that it is OK for the Catholic church to:-

1) Launch the Crusades,
CRUSADES
‘First, the Christian nations of Europe were definitely not the aggressors. The Moslems had been aggressors against the Christians since the seventh century. Their attacks on Christian countries were still going on in the eleventh century. In 1071 the Turks had attacked and virtually annihilated the Byzantine army at Manzikert. It was this defeat that led the Byzantine Emperor to appeal to the Pope for aid against the Moslems. The Christian countries of Europe were clearly justified in defending themselves against Moslem attacks and also in going on the offensive in order to prevent future attacks. At no point did the Crusaders attack the Moslem homeland, Arabia, but only those originally Christian territories that the Moslems had conquered.

Second, it certainly was and is appropriate for Christians to defend themselves and the innocent and helpless against attacks, which is exactly what the Crusaders were doing. It is also appropriate for Christians to try to regain lands which their enemy had conquered, as was the case with the Holy Land. The religious significance of the Holy land makes it even better that Christians try to regain it rather than worse, since Christians had every right to govern the lands where Christ had walked and to protect them from desecration.

Finally, there were certainly abuses during the Crusades, most notably the Sack of Jerusalem and the Sack of Constantinople, both of which are discussed below. But an immoral action during a war does not detract from the justice of the cause of the war. The immoral action should be condemned, as Godfrey de Bouillon condemned the Sack of Jerusalem and Simon de Montfort condemned the Sack of Constantinople, but the war itself remains just.”

http://catholiceducation.org/articles/history...
preston

Athens, OH

#404600 Nov 24, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
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28 years ago, when that Happened in that litle church.

and the difference betwwen me and you is this. I have spiritual experinces that I can recall and testify, you on the other hand, have none since you follow the false prophetess ellen white and your link showed that the other night.lol.
and I would venture to say that after that post, YOU never saw any anger or rage coming from hank.

and when he has said something that I disagree with it is the same thing. we both know what the oher person belives in and we settled any differences between us a long time ago, and as I have said many times, Hank is a good guy and one of the nicest on this forum, however I cant say the same about you.

people judged YOU, not your post, as you are acting like the devil and trying to stir up trouble, and old mr fraud sets on the sidelines and remains silent, knowing that you support the devil and his false prophetess ellen white.
preston

Athens, OH

#404601 Nov 24, 2012
BTW, where are mr and ms fraud.

did reggie and Anthony run them off by bring up their continual lies?

or maybe topix kicked him off for the THIRD time.lol
preston

Athens, OH

#404602 Nov 24, 2012
OSU 26;
the other team that lost 21.
LOL
guest

United States

#404603 Nov 24, 2012
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Why don't YOU do the "responsible" thing and explain to me - like I am 8 year old - how those *events of the inquisition* were "responsible" God-loving/fearing actions on the part of the church? While you are at it, explain to me how Jesus would be pleased with how the church has represented him and cared for his flock?
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I know you WON'T ... because I know you CAN'T. It is impossible. It is impossible because Jesus would NEVER sanction murder and torture ... but the pope sanctioned it. Clearly, the pope is not following Christ.
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I thought I already did. But like a good bigot...you ignored it.
Look, the Catholic Church in Medieval times desperately tried to repel the forces that were surrounding it. The Crusades were first launched to take back lands already conquered my Muslims.
The Turks were on the doorstep to capture Rome too. We won. They didn't succeed.
Yrs later, Protestants used the sins of Catholic troops during the Crusades, to show that the Church sinned. But in fact, its not the people who are sinless in the Catholic Church, its the teachings on dogma and doctrine that is without error. The Crusades were justified. And to be honest, its going to happen again, because there are still people who wish to topple Rome. The Iranians will probably be next. China hates the Church too...
And the Inquisition? Well, learn about the Crusades first. Then you'll see why the Church conducts Inquisitions.
I'm sorry Guest, but murders, tortures rapes were not part of it. Although Catholics most certainly are guilty of it. Especially battle hardened troops.
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clay ... "Look, the Catholic Church *in Medieval times* desperately tried to repel the forces that were surrounding it. The Crusades were first launched to *take back lands already conquered my Muslims*."
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And Once again, the Catholic only goes back in history to the point where the ACTUAL TRUTH does not mess with his perception of it.
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BEFORE the Medieval Times and the Crusades, there was Constantine traipsing around the Holy Lands *conquering* in the sign of the Cross...CLEARLY 300 years before Mohammad and Islam and Muslims.
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I've said it before, I'll say it again:*Islam* is the Arabs' reaction and response to Constantine and his murderous wars to conquer the land for the church - the Roman Catholic Church. Arabs - who became 'united' under Islam - learned their art of "Murdering in the Name of God" by watching the Catholics do that very thing (Murder in the Name of God) for 300 years.
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#404604 Nov 24, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>star, this guy extended to John from NJ a homosexual invitation before John died. so anyone can see how evil that he is. and for him to claim that he is a Christian is as rediculous as mr fraud claiming to be a preacher.
Not sure about the first line..

All this time I thought 4 was a women. lol
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404605 Nov 24, 2012
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oh. NOW I get it.
The state officials that did all the torture and murder for the Catholic Church were what?...Protestant?
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hellooOooo the *state officials* who did the murder and torture were CATHOLIC or else it could NOT have happened! or wait could they have been Muslim? or Pagan?
I challenge you to approach your claims with an unbiased angle.

You will undoubtedly see how foolish you been reciting the same old propaganda about history....fed to you by bigots who wish nothing but the annihilation of the Catholic Church.
If you're a true Christian and interested in truth, you will see pass the falsehoods people spread about the Church.
If you are just a bigot, and do not care about truthful evidence, you'll carry on with ignorance as if you never heard it.
Balls in your court.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#404606 Nov 24, 2012
Robert F wrote:
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I agreee. You are silly.
You have listened to propaganda so much, you can't tell what is real and not real....
Catholics didn't go door to door....
Catholics didn't gather up heretics....
Catholics didn't torture and murder....
It was the state(countries) that did these. The CC made inquiry into them(thus the name Inquisitions) under torture from the state(never by the RCC), and formulated an opinion as to whether these allegations of heresy were true or not. If found true, the states executed out their various sentences....
The BBC not known for its fairness toward the Catholic church agrees in its documentary on the myths of the inquistions.

Interesting reading for those who are willing to look with an open mind.

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologeti...

http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/03/protes...
preston

Athens, OH

#404607 Nov 24, 2012
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Not sure about the first line..
All this time I thought 4 was a women. lol
no, no woman is that mean and evil

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#404608 Nov 24, 2012
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The Church IS alway in agreement with Scripture!!
Read it slowly so you can understant...
Both Paul and Jesus have said.....
Jesus much prefers that priest do not marry. He made this quite
clear when He praised the Apostles for giving up "all" to follow
Him, saying, "And every one that hath left house, or brethren, or
sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands for
name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall possess life
everlasting." (Matt. 19:27-29).
And St Paul says …: "He that is
without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the
Lord, how he may please God. But he that is with a wife, is
for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he
is divided." [1 Cor. 7:32-33]
"In other words, matrimony is good – Christ made it one of the holy sacraments of His Church – but it is not conducive to that complete dedication which is incumbent upon those who submit themselves to another of Christ's holy sacraments – that of Holy Orders. Even so, the unmarried state of the Catholic priesthood is not an inflexible law – under certain conditions a priest may be dispensed from this law."

Can't be any more clear.

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4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Read this very slow and maybe you will finally be able to respond. The RCC has taken to opposing stands in regards to married priests. WHICH ONE is biblically correct? Comprehende?
Read carefully, slowly and maybe 30 or more times.[lol]..

BOTH ARE BIBLICAL!!!!!

AS stated above.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404609 Nov 24, 2012
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clay ... "Look, the Catholic Church *in Medieval times* desperately tried to repel the forces that were surrounding it. The Crusades were first launched to *take back lands already conquered my Muslims*."
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And Once again, the Catholic only goes back in history to the point where the ACTUAL TRUTH does not mess with his perception of it.
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BEFORE the Medieval Times and the Crusades, there was Constantine traipsing around the Holy Lands *conquering* in the sign of the Cross...CLEARLY 300 years before Mohammad and Islam and Muslims.
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I've said it before, I'll say it again:*Islam* is the Arabs' reaction and response to Constantine and his murderous wars to conquer the land for the church - the Roman Catholic Church. Arabs - who became 'united' under Islam - learned their art of "Murdering in the Name of God" by watching the Catholics do that very thing (Murder in the Name of God) for 300 years.
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I don't know what you're talking about. If you have evidence of the Roman Catholic Church waging war on their neighbors - thus,'teaching' future Muslims how to be brutal, then I wanna see it. If not, you shouldn't be making crap up.
Please Please don't confuse wars between the Roman Empire ( and then the Bryzantine Empire) on neighbors as some sort of Catholic plot. Man, it was politics and war. The same crap that has happened in every century; on every continent; and every religion and race since the beginning of time. To somehow single out Roman Catholicism as the culprit is unfair and downright deceitful.
Of course, this is no problem to professional bigots who wish nothing but the destruction of the Catholic Church.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404610 Nov 24, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
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The BBC not known for its fairness toward the Catholic church agrees in its documentary on the myths of the inquistions.
Interesting reading for those who are willing to look with an open mind.
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologeti...
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/03/protes...
If the BBC says something in favor of the Catholic Church, then it's gotta be true!

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Saint Teresa Pray 4 Us.

#404611 Nov 24, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text> No you don't defend, you offend with such statements as 'your phoney little church'. That is not defending, and you know it.
You do the same, don't you!!?!!

remember this..... you attack, I defend!
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404612 Nov 24, 2012
StarC wrote:
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CRUSADES
‘First, the Christian nations of Europe were definitely not the aggressors. The Moslems had been aggressors against the Christians since the seventh century. Their attacks on Christian countries were still going on in the eleventh century. In 1071 the Turks had attacked and virtually annihilated the Byzantine army at Manzikert. It was this defeat that led the Byzantine Emperor to appeal to the Pope for aid against the Moslems. The Christian countries of Europe were clearly justified in defending themselves against Moslem attacks and also in going on the offensive in order to prevent future attacks. At no point did the Crusaders attack the Moslem homeland, Arabia, but only those originally Christian territories that the Moslems had conquered.
Second, it certainly was and is appropriate for Christians to defend themselves and the innocent and helpless against attacks, which is exactly what the Crusaders were doing. It is also appropriate for Christians to try to regain lands which their enemy had conquered, as was the case with the Holy Land. The religious significance of the Holy land makes it even better that Christians try to regain it rather than worse, since Christians had every right to govern the lands where Christ had walked and to protect them from desecration.
Finally, there were certainly abuses during the Crusades, most notably the Sack of Jerusalem and the Sack of Constantinople, both of which are discussed below. But an immoral action during a war does not detract from the justice of the cause of the war. The immoral action should be condemned, as Godfrey de Bouillon condemned the Sack of Jerusalem and Simon de Montfort condemned the Sack of Constantinople, but the war itself remains just.”
http://catholiceducation.org/articles/history...
We sacked Constantinople and later Pope John Paul II publicly apologized to the Orthodox.
Basically, Pope John Paul II took the high road and bit his tongue.
Because the Orthodox did horrible things to Catholics prompting the sacking.
Am I right? Im not an actual historian, but i feel i read enough books to get a birds eye view of that time period.

I welcome any correction or info..
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#404613 Nov 24, 2012
preston wrote:
BTW, where are mr and ms fraud.
did reggie and Anthony run them off by bring up their continual lies?
or maybe topix kicked him off for the THIRD time.lol
I did find where John from NJ caught you and truth in lies.
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<quoted text>lol. why are you discussing water baptism with john.
he is in agreement with you. he has stated that he was sealed by the Holy Spirit when he was Baptised. that is your doctine also.
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Another lie.
I never said that.
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Truth wrote:
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Yea, Cowboy...when he was baptized at 3 months old.....and NO this is NOT what is BIBLICAL!!!
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And now a lie from you.
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YEP!
I believe that John from NY told me a long time ago that he was baptized at 3 months old....
Believe me, he will tell you.....
I told him a long time ago that he needed to get baptized again to NO avail.
John from NJ wrote:
His SOUL not mine!
And again nothing that I ever said.
Be careful about your soul since you have broken one of the Ten Commandments which may not be pleasing to God.
I never said that.
preston wrote:
<quoted text>johns church doesnt believe in the Word of God.
his church believes that Luke was one of the two that Jesus met on the road to Emanaus, but the Bible indicates otherwise. this is just another problem with believing traditions over God.
yet Luke himself records who those two were, even though he doesnt mention their names.
Luke chapter 24
10It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
11And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
12Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
13And, behold, two of them(SEE THAT JOHN) went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
LOL
John from NJ wrote:
And here we see part of the folly of sola scriptura which breeds ignorance and not much more.
Preston wrote:
"johns church doesnt believe in the Word of God.
his church believes that Luke was one of the two that Jesus met on the road to Emanaus, but the Bible indicates otherwise. this is just another problem with believing traditions over God."
What Preston is ignorant about regarding that (what he is really ignorant about would take pages) is that two of the Gospel writers used "he" instead of "I" when writing their Gospels and talking about an event.
It has only been known for 2000 years but he has not a clue.
And he claims to know the Bible and to be able to preach about it.
Is it any wonder why I and the Roman Catholics here don't take him, and most do it yourselfers using Sola Scriptura seriously.
Lord have mercy on those he has mislead with his pride being foremost in his character instead of intelligence.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#404614 Nov 24, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>28 years ago, when that Happened in that litle church.
and the difference betwwen me and you is this. I have spiritual experinces that I can recall and testify, you on the other hand, have none since you follow the false prophetess ellen white and your link showed that the other night.lol.
and I would venture to say that after that post, YOU never saw any anger or rage coming from hank.
and when he has said something that I disagree with it is the same thing. we both know what the oher person belives in and we settled any differences between us a long time ago, and as I have said many times, Hank is a good guy and one of the nicest on this forum, however I cant say the same about you.
people judged YOU, not your post, as you are acting like the devil and trying to stir up trouble, and old mr fraud sets on the sidelines and remains silent, knowing that you support the devil and his false prophetess ellen white.
You can post all you want to about Ellen White I DO NOT FOLLOW HER..........rotflol.......

You did state you saw Jesus and you also stated you are an apostle etc and you did state you was flying over vietnam ( I think this was on arrival there if I recall corect)when you met him.

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