Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#404208 Nov 23, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Rob, why was Jesus so specific about being in the grave the same amount of time that Jonah was in the belly of the fish? Why did He specify 3 days and 3 nights? And then of course, was He correct?
That would mean sunday night too. But some people say people around the world count differently and I am sure someone would come up with some far reaching reason that 3 nights wasn't exactly how it indicates (lol)

Doesn't matter, christian writers created the story that sunday was going to be the day. If the story was Jesus died on a thursday the scriptures would say he was 4 days in the tomb. Saturday WOULD NEVER BE THE DAY! because that was the Jewish sabbath and christianity has done everything to take the Jew out of Jesus and distance themselves from the Jews their customs/traditions.

Interesting that we know all these little details about a guard posted at the tomb and that he mysteriously fell asleep, etc. but when it comes to the actual person that the story is about we know nothing about him. No one days Jesus date of birth, what he did for 31 years up until his ministry nothing!, don't know what he looked like, don't know what he did for a living to feed himself, and the most important dates his death and resurrection and no one thought they were important enough to save or record?

makes no common sense......I smell agenda.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#404209 Nov 23, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Excuses excuses excuses!(lol) I have heard them all.
Same as in the scriptures that every time members of Jesus family are mentioned they are his brothers, or sons of his mother mary, or Jesus was FIRST born son of Mary, but catholics will deny scripture writings everytime because it doesn't jive with the catholic teachings of ever virgin mary. They were cousins they say.
Why would anyone mention their cousins over and over, why would scriptures say FIRST born, meaning more to come.
Some times you have to take your blinders off and accept what it clearly states.
All of Christianity for the first 1,800 yrs. Including Orthodox and Protestants understood Jesus had no blood siblings. If one were to put away their modern English Bible, and transform themselves into the time period of Jesus. And read scripture if THEIR language an culture, it becomes clear as can be.
Just another example of the Born Again movements undoing of sacred scripture based on their limited and ignorant understanding.

Also, what do you care? You're an Atheist.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#404210 Nov 23, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know what to say Mike. I already told you Christians observed Sunday 200 yrs BEFORE Constantine was even born.
You're just repeating the core Protestant lie that Constantine was responsible for Catholicism.
They need that lie so they can have an excuse to exist.
Like them, you also need that lie so you can feel justified. I expect you and them to ignore every fact presented about Constantine, because you people must submit to total ignorance to survive.
Lieing about what?

Your belief in christianity is just an opinon. A personal conviction. Every religion claims they too have their belief that theirs are correct. You don't believe theirs are right, just like they don't believe yours is correct. Until you can prove that yours is right and everyone else is wrong, your belief will never be a FACT.

Please prove to me, that this divine Jesus actually lived?

Prove to me that the 4 names associated with the gospels were the actual men who wrote them?

What world stories or writings outside your scriptures that this man even existed as the son of God? Why is it that no one outside of the scriptures ever heard of the 12 apostles or crucifixion. There were dozens of the best writers the world had ever known in Jerusulem during this era and not one of them ever mentions anything about a miracle man Jesus. Why?

Paul was the earliest or one of the earliest writers yet he knows nothing personally about a physical Jesus. Paul never claimed he met an earthly Jesus, much like most of the early christian cults. Devastating! Paul in his many writings, never mentions a virgin birth, never mentions kings bringing gifts, never mentions, King Herod slaughtering male infants, never mentions Jesus and his family escaping to Egypt, never mentions 12 apostles, never mentions the crucifixion. WHY? He was the earliest writer. Wouldn't he have a fresh knowledge about this man. NOTHING!

The only logical reason that Paul knew nothing about this physical Jesus is because these stories about Jesus had not yet been invented. It wasn't until decades later when the gospels tell these stories.


Christianity has always been called a belief. You have that belief but you can never claim it to be a FACT because at that point it would no longer be a belief.





Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404211 Nov 23, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Lieing about what?
Your belief in christianity is just an opinon. A personal conviction. Every religion claims they too have their belief that theirs are correct. You don't believe theirs are right, just like they don't believe yours is correct. Until you can prove that yours is right and everyone else is wrong, your belief will never be a FACT.
Please prove to me, that this divine Jesus actually lived?
Prove to me that the 4 names associated with the gospels were the actual men who wrote them?
What world stories or writings outside your scriptures that this man even existed as the son of God? Why is it that no one outside of the scriptures ever heard of the 12 apostles or crucifixion. There were dozens of the best writers the world had ever known in Jerusulem during this era and not one of them ever mentions anything about a miracle man Jesus. Why?
Paul was the earliest or one of the earliest writers yet he knows nothing personally about a physical Jesus. Paul never claimed he met an earthly Jesus, much like most of the early christian cults. Devastating! Paul in his many writings, never mentions a virgin birth, never mentions kings bringing gifts, never mentions, King Herod slaughtering male infants, never mentions Jesus and his family escaping to Egypt, never mentions 12 apostles, never mentions the crucifixion. WHY? He was the earliest writer. Wouldn't he have a fresh knowledge about this man. NOTHING!
The only logical reason that Paul knew nothing about this physical Jesus is because these stories about Jesus had not yet been invented. It wasn't until decades later when the gospels tell these stories.
Christianity has always been called a belief. You have that belief but you can never claim it to be a FACT because at that point it would no longer be a belief.
I somewhat agree with your post. Christianity makes no sense (on the paper).
I mean, how did it survive? If you were Christian for the first 300 yrs, you were imprisoned. If you were a Bishop or Priest, you were killed. It makes no sense that this religion could have spread throughout the world when its origin is a poor homeless man with 12 followers. By all logic (on Paper) it should have ended when this man was put to death and His closest followers ran to the hills during His trial and crucifixion.
Who would ever believe this man was the Son of God? He had nothing (on paper) to offer anyone. No triumph. No land. No wealth. No freedom from Roman Empire. Yet, people believed Him?
And then, the brutal and evil Roman Empire, who'd been killing Christians for centuries, suddenly becomes Christians themselves?

Makes no sense.

The Church He started should have crumbled long ago as well. They are still very much hated. Every tyrant had the Vatican in their scopes and sought to topple it. Napoleon kidnapped the Pope and jailed him!
The sins of the members of the Catholic Church should have crumbled it too. Even the current abuse scandal cant bring it down!
A Pope a thousand yrs ago, had an affair and committed murder. Yet, even he could not bring down the Church!

The Protestant reformation offered a 'hands free' type Christianity, with no apparent authority - other than ones private interpretation of the Bible. Still, they could not topple the Catholic Church.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#404212 Nov 23, 2012
passinby wrote:
<quoted text>
You have not been in on the few conversations i've had with gays and lesbians. i don't condone their lifestyle. But they appreciate my approach. It's the choice of each of us to live up to YHUH's standard or not. You can't force people to see your way just because you're you. You have to respect that they differ in opinion. It's something i try to do; except in the case of bullies.
In fact, i know one gay man who prays to G-d every day. Should the Mighty One not hear his prayer and gently guide him in the way he should go?
Remember, Messiah died for everybody; not just who we think he should have died for.
~~~

There is a serious problem with your rational here...

From the Old testament..

2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and

--> turn from their wicked ways; <--

then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

David wrote

Psa_66:18 If I ==>regard<== iniquity in my heart, THE LORD WILL NOT HEAR ME:

THE WORD==>REGARD<== DEFINED IN HEBREW AS USED IN PSALM 66:18

H7200
&#1512;&#1488;&#14 92;
ra&#770;'a&#770;h
raw-aw'
A primitive root; to see, literally or figuratively (in numerous applications, direct and implied, transitively, intransitively and causatively):- advise self, appear, approve, behold, X certainly, consider, discern,(make to) enjoy, have experience, gaze, take heed, X indeed, X joyfully, lo, look (on, one another, one on another, one upon another, out, up, upon), mark, meet, X be near, perceive, present, provide, regard,(have) respect,(fore-, cause to, let) see (-r,-m, one another), shew (self), X sight of others,(e-) spy, stare, X surely, X think, view, visions.

___

From the New Testament....

THERE MUST FIRST BE CONFESSION AND REPENTANCE OF SIN..

1Jn_1:9 IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

IF NOT ....THERE WILL BE...

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them,

==>I NEVER KNEW YOU:

depart from me, ye that work iniquity. <==

WE ARE NOT SAVED IN WILLFUL SIN...WE ARE SAVED FROM SIN...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404213 Nov 23, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Lieing about what?
Your belief in christianity is just an opinon. A personal conviction. Every religion claims they too have their belief that theirs are correct. You don't believe theirs are right, just like they don't believe yours is correct. Until you can prove that yours is right and everyone else is wrong, your belief will never be a FACT.
Please prove to me, that this divine Jesus actually lived?
Prove to me that the 4 names associated with the gospels were the actual men who wrote them?
What world stories or writings outside your scriptures that this man even existed as the son of God? Why is it that no one outside of the scriptures ever heard of the 12 apostles or crucifixion. There were dozens of the best writers the world had ever known in Jerusulem during this era and not one of them ever mentions anything about a miracle man Jesus. Why?
Paul was the earliest or one of the earliest writers yet he knows nothing personally about a physical Jesus. Paul never claimed he met an earthly Jesus, much like most of the early christian cults. Devastating! Paul in his many writings, never mentions a virgin birth, never mentions kings bringing gifts, never mentions, King Herod slaughtering male infants, never mentions Jesus and his family escaping to Egypt, never mentions 12 apostles, never mentions the crucifixion. WHY? He was the earliest writer. Wouldn't he have a fresh knowledge about this man. NOTHING!
The only logical reason that Paul knew nothing about this physical Jesus is because these stories about Jesus had not yet been invented. It wasn't until decades later when the gospels tell these stories.
Christianity has always been called a belief. You have that belief but you can never claim it to be a FACT because at that point it would no longer be a belief.
The fact that Christianity wasn't forced upon the people, and they all knew what would happen to them if they got caught celebrating the Mass, makes it a remarkable religion. It basically functioned 'underground' for centuries.

Jesus said "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, Baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and Behold, I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, TO THE CLOSE OF THE AGE"

All but one of the Apostles were captured and put to death. All the men they ordained were put to death. I believe 30 of the first Bishops of Rome (Popes) were killed?
wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_popes

It has to divinely guided that we are still here today.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#404214 Nov 23, 2012
who="Michael"
Lieing about what?
Your belief in christianity is just an opinon. A personal conviction. Every religion claims they too have their belief that theirs are correct. You don't believe theirs are right, just like they don't believe yours is correct. Until you can prove that yours is right and everyone else is wrong, your belief will never be a FACT.
Please prove to me, that this divine Jesus actually lived?
Prove to me that the 4 names associated with the gospels were the actual men who wrote them?
What world stories or writings outside your scriptures that this man even existed as the son of God? Why is it that no one outside of the scriptures ever heard of the 12 apostles or crucifixion. There were dozens of the best writers the world had ever known in Jerusulem during this era and not one of them ever mentions anything about a miracle man Jesus. Why?
Paul was the earliest or one of the earliest writers yet he knows nothing personally about a physical Jesus. Paul never claimed he met an earthly Jesus, much like most of the early christian cults. Devastating! Paul in his many writings, never mentions a virgin birth, never mentions kings bringing gifts, never mentions, King Herod slaughtering male infants, never mentions Jesus and his family escaping to Egypt, never mentions 12 apostles, never mentions the crucifixion. WHY? He was the earliest writer. Wouldn't he have a fresh knowledge about this man. NOTHING!
The only logical reason that Paul knew nothing about this physical Jesus is because these stories about Jesus had not yet been invented. It wasn't until decades later when the gospels tell these stories.
Christianity has always been called a belief. You have that belief but you can never claim it to be a FACT because at that point it would no longer be a belief.

**********

Surely you don't mean that one cannot BELIEVE a FACT?:)

KM

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#404215 Nov 23, 2012
The scripture below speaks of...-->THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT<--

Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted

-->the blood of the covenant,<--

wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

---

while the Roman Catholic make much ado about the BLOOD..AND BODY OF CHRIST JESUS

THEY HAVE ATTEMPTED TO RE-WRITE HIS COVENANT...

CREATE THEIR OWN..

CHANGE THE WILL AND TESTAMENT OF JESUS CHRIST

TO NOTHING MORE THAN RITUAL, WORKS AND IDOLATRY

AND THEIR LEADERS...PRIEST

HAVE BECOME SODOMIZERS

___

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Rom 1:25 ==> Who changed the truth of God

into a lie, <==

and

worshiped

and

-->served the creature more than the Creator, <--

who is blessed for ever. Amen.

___

THEY BOW BEFORE IDOLS, ICONS, STATUES, AND STORE RELICS

AND IN THEIR MAUSOLEUMS, THEY WORSHIP THE DEAD...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#404216 Nov 23, 2012
who="Fr Robert Dye"
.
Wait, wat?
.
Did they take Holy Saturday of the calendar when I wasn't looking?
.
As for "3 days," by Jewish counting, Jesus WAS in the tomb 3 days. 1. Friday. 2. Saturday. 3. Sunday.
.
That's it. Count 'em. THREE.
.
One cold say this is not the way we (Americans, or perhaps English speakers) count.
.
That's true. But it's NOT the only way to count.
.
Mexicans say "today and 8" when the mean "a week from today." The count "1" on "today," when Americans would count "1" on " tomorrow," and say "a week from today," or "in 7 days."
.
What is perhaps more interesting is that Jesus dies about 3:00 PM.
3:00 PM on Saturday would be 24 hours. 3:00 AM Sunday would be 36 hours. 4 MORE hours would be 7:00 AM, 40 hours after Jesus died.
.
Now, if you want to take the 40 as literal you can, but it is also useful toknow that 40 can be (scripturally) a symbolic number meaning "enough," or "a sufficient time."
.
40 years in the desert. Enough time.
.
40 days and nights of rain. Sufficient.
.
Let the raspberries begin!
.
Rob

**********

The problem comes from human logic. Men assume that the day before the Passover was Friday...thus Sunday could not have been the third day.
The truth is that the Passover was on the FOURTEENTH DAY OF THE MONTH. That likely was a Thursday that month.

You can search it out if you wish, but I believe that Passover is the only Sabbath that was required to be kept forever. Jesus declared Himself Lord of the Sabbath, and thereafter many important events (including the Resurrection) were on the FIRST day of the week...NEW BEGINNING.

The first day of the week has been the 'day of rest' from that time on. Read about the Lord's rest in Hebrews.

KayMarie
Clay

Chicago, IL

#404217 Nov 23, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
The scripture below speaks of...-->THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT<--
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted
-->the blood of the covenant,<--
wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
---
while the Roman Catholic make much ado about the BLOOD..AND BODY OF CHRIST JESUS
THEY HAVE ATTEMPTED TO RE-WRITE HIS COVENANT...
CREATE THEIR OWN..
CHANGE THE WILL AND TESTAMENT OF JESUS CHRIST
TO NOTHING MORE THAN RITUAL, WORKS AND IDOLATRY
AND THEIR LEADERS...PRIEST
HAVE BECOME SODOMIZERS
___
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 ==> Who changed the truth of God
into a lie, <==
and
worshiped
and
-->served the creature more than the Creator, <--
who is blessed for ever. Amen.
___
THEY BOW BEFORE IDOLS, ICONS, STATUES, AND STORE RELICS
AND IN THEIR MAUSOLEUMS, THEY WORSHIP THE DEAD...
I'm puzzled why a supposed man called by God, would use scripture in your post, then accuse Catholics of worshiping Idols and the dead??

What's wrong? Your Pentecostal Cult can't stand on its own merits? So you have to resort to baring false witness against Catholics....apparently we threaten your brand of Christianity eh? Truth is truth. We Catholics do not need to deceive. You do. That's the only way you can exist.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404218 Nov 23, 2012
Wisdom from Oswald Chambers
God created man to be master of the life in the earth and sea and sky, and the reason he is not is because he took the law into his own hands, and became master of himself, but of nothing else. The Shadow of an Agony

The Distraction of Contempt
November 23, 2012
Have mercy on us, O Lord, have mercy on us! For we are exceedingly filled with contempt —Psalm 123:3

What we must beware of is not damage to our belief in God but damage to our Christian disposition or state of mind.“Take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously”(Malachi 2:16). Our state of mind is powerful in its effects. It can be the enemy that penetrates right into our soul and distracts our mind from God. There are certain attitudes we should never dare to indulge. If we do, we will find they have distracted us from faith in God. Until we get back into a quiet mood before Him, our faith is of no value, and our confidence in the flesh and in human ingenuity is what rules our lives.

Beware of “the cares of this world ...”(Mark 4:19). They are the very things that produce the wrong attitudes in our soul. It is incredible what enormous power there is in simple things to distract our attention away from God. Refuse to be swamped by “the cares of this world.”

Another thing that distracts us is our passion for vindication. St. Augustine prayed,“O Lord, deliver me from this lust of always vindicating myself.” Such a need for constant vindication destroys our soul’s faith in God. Don’t say,“I must explain myself,” or,“I must get people to understand.” Our Lord never explained anything— He left the misunderstandings or misconceptions of others to correct themselves.

When we discern that other people are not growing spiritually and allow that discernment to turn to criticism, we block our fellowship with God. God never gives us discernment so that we may criticize, but that we may intercede

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#404219 Nov 23, 2012
Today's "News":

The Pope has issued a new book about Christmas. Seems that there WERE NO ANGELS SINGING ON THE NIGHT JESUS WAS BORN.(Took him 2,000 years to 'discover' that?) Besides THAT is one item that is recorded in scripture.

Talk about 'change'!

And there are other issues...don't recall all of the review. Find it in Breaking Christian News.

KayMarie
Clay

Chicago, IL

#404220 Nov 23, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Fr Robert Dye"
.
Wait, wat?
.
Did they take Holy Saturday of the calendar when I wasn't looking?
.
As for "3 days," by Jewish counting, Jesus WAS in the tomb 3 days. 1. Friday. 2. Saturday. 3. Sunday.
.
That's it. Count 'em. THREE.
.
One cold say this is not the way we (Americans, or perhaps English speakers) count.
.
That's true. But it's NOT the only way to count.
.
Mexicans say "today and 8" when the mean "a week from today." The count "1" on "today," when Americans would count "1" on " tomorrow," and say "a week from today," or "in 7 days."
.
What is perhaps more interesting is that Jesus dies about 3:00 PM.
3:00 PM on Saturday would be 24 hours. 3:00 AM Sunday would be 36 hours. 4 MORE hours would be 7:00 AM, 40 hours after Jesus died.
.
Now, if you want to take the 40 as literal you can, but it is also useful toknow that 40 can be (scripturally) a symbolic number meaning "enough," or "a sufficient time."
.
40 years in the desert. Enough time.
.
40 days and nights of rain. Sufficient.
.
Let the raspberries begin!
.
Rob
**********
The problem comes from human logic. Men assume that the day before the Passover was Friday...thus Sunday could not have been the third day.
The truth is that the Passover was on the FOURTEENTH DAY OF THE MONTH. That likely was a Thursday that month.
You can search it out if you wish, but I believe that Passover is the only Sabbath that was required to be kept forever. Jesus declared Himself Lord of the Sabbath, and thereafter many important events (including the Resurrection) were on the FIRST day of the week...NEW BEGINNING.
The first day of the week has been the 'day of rest' from that time on. Read about the Lord's rest in Hebrews.
KayMarie
The bottom line is everyday should be a day for the Lord.
At any Catholic Church, you can go in celebrate daily Mass. Monday-Sunday.
I went this morning. The first reading was Revelation 10:8-11
The Gospel was Luke 19:45-48
I also heard too many snippets from the Bible to count, as is typical at the Holy Mass.
I had Holy Communion and spent time after Mass in quite prayer.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#404221 Nov 23, 2012
passinby wrote:
<quoted text>
There were two Shabbats that week; Pesach/Passover and the 7th. He died before Pesach/Passover Wednesday afternoon before sunset.
Now as for counting, evening and morning are considered a day from the very beginning. Unless you're claiming he raised Sunday night you can't get 3 days from Friday evening to Sunday morning Roman time. How about you respect the Hebrew scriptures, understanding, and Yahusha's own words and historical information about when Pesach/Passover happened at that time?
i think you destroyed your own argument with the 3PM Friday to 3PM Saturday; that's only 1 day. And then you devolve into mystical strangeness by talking about the number 40 being about completion? i think i'll rely on the actual word of YHUH and what Yahusha said would happen. That will keep me in good standing with YHUH. Because by your logic YHUH/YHUShA isn't capable of fulfilling his word of being 3 literal days in the tomb like Yonah not seeing corruption (which would happen by 3 days) and then resurrecting.
As for understanding the Hebrew way; i am a Hebrew (not a Jew) an actual descendant of Yshral/Yaaqob; speaking English or being born somewhere has nothing to do with it. Understanding Hebrew and Aramaic and accepting YHUH/YHUShA's testimony does.
Thanks for your insight. I was aware there were Two Sabbaths and often wondered about the 3 days and nights. If they were a litereal 24 hour day or just a day in part etc.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#404222 Nov 23, 2012
orville wrote:
<quoted text>
Come on Hojo. Jesus is not restricted to a wafer. The entire Bible confirms the opposite.
Jesus' OWN stated and expressed words in John 6:48-59 "debunk" everything and anything you say regarding the Historical and biblical 2000 years of PROVEN and AUTHENTICATED TRUTH in reference to the Eucharist! Read it!!!! over and over again--until it "sinks into this anti-catholic hatred, aversion and judgemental condemation" that has "infected your heart, mind and soul"! Jesus said "for unless you eat my body,(which is real food) and drink my blood (which is real drink) YOU CANNOT----have eternal life!!!
The spoken words of Jesus HIMSELF--do not lie!!----but "you" do!!!
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#404223 Nov 23, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
while the Roman Catholic make much ado about the BLOOD..AND BODY OF CHRIST JESUS

THEY BOW BEFORE IDOLS, ICONS, STATUES, AND STORE RELICS
AND IN THEIR MAUSOLEUMS, THEY WORSHIP THE DEAD...
The Catholic Church "does not" take the "spoken, stated and expressed words of Jesus (lightly)---but apparently YOU DO!!
In regards to the words that Our Lord "clearly speaks" in John 6:47-59 "For unless you eat my Body,(which is real food) and drink my blood (which is real drink)---you CANNOT---have ETERNAL LIFE!!

You still continue to "make up things" Confrinting regarding this "mentally disordered myth" that has infected you, saying that we as Catholics worship idols. What a crock of Protestant (bible only) BS!! With "ludicrous statements" like this--it only shows how "insecure" and desperate" you "need to be" in order to keep your hatred, hostility and "fire of vengence" (heated up) against Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church...... Condemning the faith of other Christians, passing judgement against the personal salvation of TRUE followers of Jesus Christ (especially Catholics) and listing of (a bunch) of bible verses is the "entire basis" of your ministry. NONE OF THIS makes you a Christian! Take an example from your wife KayMarie!---As I have told you "repeatedly" she is the ONLY true Christian in your family!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#404224 Nov 23, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm puzzled why a supposed man called by God, would use scripture in your post, then accuse Catholics of worshiping Idols and the dead??
What's wrong? Your Pentecostal Cult can't stand on its own merits? So you have to resort to baring false witness against Catholics....apparently we threaten your brand of Christianity eh? Truth is truth. We Catholics do not need to deceive. You do. That's the only way you can exist.
~~~

YOU ARE PUZZLED BECAUSE OF TWO IMMUTABLE TRUTHS THE BIBLE PRESENTS..

1. Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

2.Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

IF YOU EVER DO AS JESUS SAID.... YOUR WHOLE LIFE WILL CHANGE..

Mat_18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

Mar_10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Luk_18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

I give you three scriptures above that give witness to what Jesus said..

YOU CANNOT GIVE ANY WITNESS FROM THE SCRIPTURES FOR ANY OF THE CONJECTURE THAT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES.

JESUS SAID...

Joh_5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

YOU DO NOT SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES....

YOUR FOLLOW YOUR CATECHISM.

.WHERE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS WRITTEN

ITS OWN BOOK

AND

WORSHIP ACCORDING TO IT.

YOU MAKE GOD OUT TO BE A LIAR WHEN HE SAID...

Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

---

Exo 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

God cannot ...does not lie...and He does not change

Heb 6:17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

Heb 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which

-->it was impossible for God to lie,<--

we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:


Heb 6:19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;

You attempt to change God's word into a lie..

AND GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT GOD FORBIDS, because your pagan (so called church has given you the permission to do so.

___

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404225 Nov 23, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
Today's "News":
The Pope has issued a new book about Christmas. Seems that there WERE NO ANGELS SINGING ON THE NIGHT JESUS WAS BORN.(Took him 2,000 years to 'discover' that?) Besides THAT is one item that is recorded in scripture.
Talk about 'change'!
And there are other issues...don't recall all of the review. Find it in Breaking Christian News.
KayMarie
Hi KM something else A POPE has removed from scriptures.
Wow
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#404226 Nov 23, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
There is a serious problem with your rational here...
From the Old testament..
2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and
--> turn from their wicked ways; <--
then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
David wrote
Psa_66:18 If I ==>regard<== iniquity in my heart, THE LORD WILL NOT HEAR ME:
THE WORD==>REGARD<== DEFINED IN HEBREW AS USED IN PSALM 66:18
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raw-aw'
A primitive root; to see, literally or figuratively (in numerous applications, direct and implied, transitively, intransitively and causatively):- advise self, appear, approve, behold, X certainly, consider, discern,(make to) enjoy, have experience, gaze, take heed, X indeed, X joyfully, lo, look (on, one another, one on another, one upon another, out, up, upon), mark, meet, X be near, perceive, present, provide, regard,(have) respect,(fore-, cause to, let) see (-r,-m, one another), shew (self), X sight of others,(e-) spy, stare, X surely, X think, view, visions.
___
From the New Testament....
THERE MUST FIRST BE CONFESSION AND REPENTANCE OF SIN..
1Jn_1:9 IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
IF NOT ....THERE WILL BE...
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them,
==>I NEVER KNEW YOU:
depart from me, ye that work iniquity. <==
WE ARE NOT SAVED IN WILLFUL SIN...WE ARE SAVED FROM SIN...
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Helpful reminder indeed. However this entails all sinners under the umbrealla not just the homosexuals. We have adulters, fornicatoed, idolators, liers, thiefs, murderes, etc. that all fit the bill as well.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#404227 Nov 23, 2012
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi KM something else A POPE has removed from scriptures.
Wow
Really? How?

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